*Official* NBA PLAYOFFS 2007 discussion

I don't fault LA for that, Kidd is old. Plus Kidd alone isn't going to help them win a title, and he's got a high contract that LA doesn't need if they want to try to bring in someone else (like KG) that could actually help them win a title. For that same reason they are fortunate they didn't acquire Mike Bibby.
 
i must be the only Jazz fan on Cag.. but I think the Jazz will win tonight.. and Houston is really going to have to step it up in Game 7 to beat us.. we have be a lot more consistant then they have (sans april) been.. either way.. the series will be decided in game 7.. and i'm waiting for a T Mac injury.. he's played 5 straight games.. he's due.. heh..

either way.. its good to be a jazz fan this year.. got me 1/2 season tickets for next year.. and if you're a fan of excecution no nonsense and very unselfish play watch Utah.. its great to watch if you love watching a team that never gives in.
 
Ha, completely unrelated to the playoffs, actually not for a couple teams, but when is the draft lottery...

My Grizz need the #1 pick.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']I don't fault LA for that, Kidd is old. Plus Kidd alone isn't going to help them win a title, and he's got a high contract that LA doesn't need if they want to try to bring in someone else (like KG) that could actually help them win a title. For that same reason they are fortunate they didn't acquire Mike Bibby.[/quote]

Kidd's old, but there are few true PGs in the league, and they can turn a team around faster than any other position. Kidd went to the Nets and they make the playoffs regularly and go deep. Nash goes to the Suns and they make it too the playoffs regularly and go deep. It makes no sense to keep another 7 footer that they won't throw the ball too. They can get someone like that every year in the draft.

And Kobe saying "he'll do what it takes to win", should mean he'll restructure his contract to get some real players on his team.
 
Oh baby, if you thought the Oracle was shakin in games 3 and 4, tonight, you'll witness the craziest crowd ever.
 
[quote name='urzishra14']i must be the only Jazz fan on Cag.. but I think the Jazz will win tonight.. and Houston is really going to have to step it up in Game 7 to beat us.. we have be a lot more consistant then they have (sans april) been.. either way.. the series will be decided in game 7.. and i'm waiting for a T Mac injury.. he's played 5 straight games.. he's due.. heh..

either way.. its good to be a jazz fan this year.. got me 1/2 season tickets for next year.. and if you're a fan of excecution no nonsense and very unselfish play watch Utah.. its great to watch if you love watching a team that never gives in.[/quote]

This reminds me. I was talking to my friend they other day about under rated players in the NBA.

This brought up the fact that andrea kirilenko is most likely in the Top 10 best players in the NBA but no one gives a flying fuck about.

I mean that guy has almost god like ability to do EVERYTHING and I mean everything on the court. He didnt do whole lot this year but if check is career stats this mofo was killing people from 02-06.

That guy is a monster and never gets any credit at all....he might be slowing down somewhat but he is still sweet as hell.
 
[quote name='DT778']No way he's top 10

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andrei_kirilenko/index.html?nav=page[/quote]
You misunderstand. I meant that entire title.....In the subject...."No one gives a fuck" He is up there.


I think you read it has A top ten player and no one cares about him.

I wouldnt compare him to kobe or T-mac nooooooooooo way.


But like i said....look at his career stats not just this years.

Career Season Averages
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Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 01-02 UTA 82 40 26.2 .450 .250 .768 1.8 3.1 4.9 1.1 1.4 1.9 1.32 1.90 10.7 02-03 UTA 80 11 27.7 .491 .325 .800 1.8 3.4 5.3 1.7 1.5 2.2 1.70 2.30 12.0 03-04 UTA 78 78 37.1 .443 .338 .790 2.9 5.2 8.1 3.1 1.9 2.8 2.76 2.20 16.5 04-05 UTA 41 37 32.9 .493 .299 .784 2.2 4.0 6.2 3.2 1.6 3.3 2.20 2.50 15.6 05-06 UTA 69 63 37.7 .460 .308 .699 2.3 5.7 8.0 4.3 1.5 3.2 2.94 2.30 15.3 06-07 UTA 70 70 29.3 .471 .213 .728 1.3 3.4 4.7 2.9 1.1 2.1 1.93 2.50 8.3 Career 420 299 31.6 .464 .300 .761 2.0 4.1 6.2 2.6 1.5 2.5 2.11 2.30 12.9 All-Star 1 0 12.0 .333 .000 .000 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.00 0.00 2.0

As you can see he has been pretty damn good for a while. 16 points and 8 rebounds is hard in the NBA. If you look at his entire career he has good numbers in a ton of differnt stats...blocks,assist,rebounds,points. He is a very very solid player.....not top ten in the NBA but he is better than a lot other players that get more credit than he does.

But as of late....he just sucks ass. I dont know why....BUT is wife does let him sleep with other people...which makes him a superstar in my book.


EDIT: Shit the graph got all fucked....here is a link.http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andrei_kirilenko/career_stats.html
 
[quote name='DT778']No way he's top 10

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andrei_kirilenko/index.html?nav=page[/quote]

I think he meant bottom 10? Shh, don't tell Kirilenko though, or he might start crying on tv again.

:shock: Wow after looking at those stats too, I knew he was sucking big time, but 3 & 3 in the play-offs and not even 9 pts or 5 rbs a game during the season? Jebus, he's averaging as many fouls as points in the play-offs.

Utah will be lucky to get a box of tissues when they trade this guy in the off-season. To think he was once an all-star.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']
But as of late....he just sucks ass. I dont know why....BUT is wife does let him sleep with other people...which makes him a superstar in my book.[/quote]
Wilt Chamberlain could sleep with multiple women and still be a superstar, but this guy's no Wilt Chamberlain. Hell, he's not even Shawn Kemp.

Also, I hope the Warriors put the Mavs away tonight. I've always hated the Mavs. I think the Spurs are likely to win it all though.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Kidd's old, but there are few true PGs in the league, and they can turn a team around faster than any other position. Kidd went to the Nets and they make the playoffs regularly and go deep. Nash goes to the Suns and they make it too the playoffs regularly and go deep. It makes no sense to keep another 7 footer that they won't throw the ball too. They can get someone like that every year in the draft.

And Kobe saying "he'll do what it takes to win", should mean he'll restructure his contract to get some real players on his team.[/quote]

Guile, you leave out one key common thread with both of those teams. New Jersey and Phoenix both already had pretty solid teams before Kidd and Nash got there, but who did both players replace? That would be Stephon Marbury in both instances. Coincidence, I do not think so. Marbury gets to New York, and look where they go? Even further down. I just think Marbury is one of those guys that has a losing mentality and a losing aura to him. He should be put on a team with Shareef Abdur-Rahim! Not to take anything away from Kidd or Nash though, as both are great players.

Anyhow, back to Kidd & LA. LA could've added Kidd, and they probably get to the 2nd round with Kidd & Kobe, pending on who they match up with in the 1st round. That team still isn't going to beat Phoenix or San Antonio though. So, I think LA made the right move in not sacrificing a potentially good piece of their future just to get a quick fix now.

In the off season LA should definitely look into some serious moves though and then consider moving Bynum or Brown to bring in players that can really help Kobe both now and on a consistant basis over time. At 34 years of age, and over $18 million a season, Kidd just isn't the best way LA can spend their money and trade their young centers. Plus if for whatever reason Kidd doesn't work out, he is almost impossible to trade given his age and salary again.
 
you know..

AK.. he's in a much tougher role this year then year's past.. this year Carlos Boozer, Deron Williams and Mehmet Okur have taken the majority of Utah's offensive load this year. I've watched all the Jazz games this year and we're a young team.. I was hoping we'd finish with a winning record this year and "maybe" make the playoffs, not only did we do that. we've taken an excellent Houston Team to at least 6 games with a team that this is basically the first year of them playing together for any extended period of time (boozer hasn't played over 50 games the past two seasons for the Jazz and this is Deron's second year)

But the reason we've been so successful is people like Harpring, Millsap, and Giricek who come off the bench and would basically be starters anywhere else in the league.. I think the only thing that Utah is missing is a "big" shooting guard who won't let Kobe, Redd, Tmac score 50 on them.. right now we got Derek Fisher who should be the Backup PG and Giricek who plays people ok but not great..

AK isn't having a year like he's had in year's past because he isn't the go to guy anymore.. he's having a hard time adjusting to his role in this new team. He should be a defensive threat, kind of like a Ben Wallace or Marcus Camby he should be under the basket dominating there and picking up rebs and driving to the basket like kobe on the other end.. he can play 1 on 1 he just doesn't.. he needs to attack the basket a lot more, draw a lot more fouls and be that guy.. that opens up Utah's excecution plays a lot more..

but in all honesty I bet if Harpring started and AK came off the bench the team would be slaughtering Houston.. AK has came off the bench before and was great I wish they'd play him off the bench more possibly at that Power Forward position and give Booz a rest..

at the half utah is up by 3 and AK is having a fairly decent night...

but don't blame Utah's woes solely on AK.. I blame a young inexperienced team going against a very veteren superstar studded team (Yao, Tmac, Battier, along with Head, Alston and J Howard) I mean when you can give your 7-6 a rest and put in a 7-2 guy in his place.. its hard to get the kinds of baskets utah plays for..

But watch out next year, our division with Denver and Utah are going to put Phoenix/ the aging Spurs and Mavs a run for their money..

EDIT: AK had his breakout game of the season/series.. 6-10 FG 5 BLKs 4 AST 5 REB and 3 STL.. and only 1 TO.. this was AK of season's past.. hopefully this AK shows up SAT.. so we can play the Warriors.
 
Seeing an arena full of "WE BELIEVE!" signs almost makes me want the Mavs to win, just so I won't have to see that damn slogan again.
Somewhat surprised to see the Jazz coming back and tying the series up.. I didn't expect them to do so after the way they played those first few games.
 
With the way Houston and the Jazz have been shooting, it was a toss up, but I prefer Houston to win.

I love how Oakland fans start chanting "BULLSHIT", then GS comes back and knocks in a three pointer. Baron's 3-pt off balance shot made me sit up from my slouch, thinking he drew a foul, put it up, and it went in anyways haha.
 
I don't understand why Dirk doesn't just throw up shots. He's 7 feet tall with a LETHAL jumpshot. Even if there are 2 hands in his face, he still has the ability to get shots off. It isn't rare for a superstar to go cold in a game, but he isn't even attempting shots and just looks lost.
 
[quote name='Kendro']I don't understand why Dirk doesn't just throw up shots. He's 7 feet tall with a LETHAL jumpshot. Even if there are 2 hands in his face, he still has the ability to get shots off. It isn't rare for a superstar to go cold in a game, but he isn't even attempting shots and just looks lost.[/quote] Starting the game 0-for-7 (or whatever it was, I think that number actually may be higher) doesn't instill confidence.
Especially when Dirk has been whining about the Warriors taking him out of his game. He gave up mentally when the Warriors went up 3-1. I would normally say that he still deserves the MVP even if they lose in the first round (hell, you don't lead your team to a 67-win season on sheer luck), but he's shown absolutely no confidence in himself, his abilities, or his teammates this series, and giving up prematurely like he has is absolutely unacceptable for a guy who has the skills he does.

Goodbye and good riddance, Dallas. You've played like the Celtics instead of the Mavs this series, and by no means did you deserve to win even two games. :wave:
 
They should just give the MVP to Nash to save Dirk the embarassment. I actually feel sorry for the guy. He's one of the good guys in the NBA.
 
[quote name='ImmortalfWd']Dirk is such a huge softie. Cuban has a press conference tomorrow to announce the teams new logo/colors. Here's a leaked image.

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Lol.

If you do that to the Bulls I will cry......the tears of a calf.

The Warriors kicked booty. Now it remains to be seen if they can continue this crusade.

I only care about the Bulls for now. If they beat the Pistons, I think they can go all the way. I have high hopes for them every year, though. But I'm glad they have at least 4 more games this year.
 
As a Mavs fan I hope the Warriors continue through and destroy the Rockets/Jazz and somehow the winner of the Suns and Spurs. That way the Mavs wouldn't look like such punks.
 
How can you favor Houston after that second half meldown? someone said earlier "i'm surprised they came back.. " what do you mean the Jazz took a 2 point lead into halftime then exploded it to 11 and they never really trailed the rest of the game.. (actually I don't think they did.. Houston brought it within 3 a couple times but thats about it)
 
[quote name='bil4ltool']As a Mavs fan I hope the Warriors continue through and destroy the Rockets/Jazz and somehow the winner of the Suns and Spurs. That way the Mavs wouldn't look like such punks.[/quote]

No way that happens.

The Warriors will beat Houston in the next round. The giant Chinaman will be very sad trying to play in that up and down style of Golden State. Rockets just won't be able to compete, that series will probably be done in 6. After that though, if Golden State tries to run the Texas gauntlet, they'll meet a bitter end against the Spurs. San Antonio is so disciplined, so experienced, and so flat out good, that there's no way the Warriors upset the Spurs.

Now, if the Suns beat the Spurs, then you're looking at a very interesting series. However, the Suns are masters of the run n gun style, and I think Golden State just won't be able to win that series in the end. Steve Nash isn't a chump like Jason Terry, and in the end he'll be controlling the flow of the game.

The irony here is despite the Commish's moves to try to get the best 2 teams in the conference meeting in the conference finals, we're going to see the best 2 teams in the west meet in the 2nd round yet again.

Phoenix and San Antonio should be an amazing series, and I'm still on the fence as to who to pick. I'm leaning towards Phoenix though, simply because Amare is one of only two players (Shaq is the other) to flat out dominate Tim Duncan in a play-off series. Add to that Phoenix has home court advantage, and for Steve Nash to really solidify his position among the NBA's all-time greats he needs to take this team to the finals. That and I think Detroit will crush Phoenix, where as San Antonio would be a much trickier series, so naturally I'll be rooting for the Suns.

:rofl: Why is Chuck Norris fishing with the Mavs?
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']No way that happens.

The Warriors will beat Houston in the next round. The giant Chinaman will be very sad trying to play in that up and down style of Golden State. Rockets just won't be able to compete, that series will probably be done in 6. After that though, if Golden State tries to run the Texas gauntlet, they'll meet a bitter end against the Spurs. San Antonio is so disciplined, so experienced, and so flat out good, that there's no way the Warriors upset the Spurs.

Now, if the Suns beat the Spurs, then you're looking at a very interesting series. However, the Suns are masters of the run n gun style, and I think Golden State just won't be able to win that series in the end. Steve Nash isn't a chump like Jason Terry, and in the end he'll be controlling the flow of the game.

The irony here is despite the Commish's moves to try to get the best 2 teams in the conference meeting in the conference finals, we're going to see the best 2 teams in the west meet in the 2nd round yet again.

Phoenix and San Antonio should be an amazing series, and I'm still on the fence as to who to pick. I'm leaning towards Phoenix though, simply because Amare is one of only two players (Shaq is the other) to flat out dominate Tim Duncan in a play-off series. Add to that Phoenix has home court advantage, and for Steve Nash to really solidify his position among the NBA's all-time greats he needs to take this team to the finals. That and I think Detroit will crush Phoenix, where as San Antonio would be a much trickier series, so naturally I'll be rooting for the Suns.

:rofl: Why is Chuck Norris fishing with the Mavs?[/QUOTE]

so you discount Utah because of what?.. you believe that they can't win in Houston? Houston's bench needs to play better if they don't want to lose game 7 you think it is automatic that they win, probably because you read a lot of national news sites never really watch either team play outside of this series.

Utah has the advantage going into Houston, the pressure is on Houston to win, they could have shut this series out 3 games ago if they wanted to and they've been playing sketchy throughout.. if Houston's other 7 players decide to show up saturday then maybe, but then again.. they almost lost game 5 and your right a loss is a loss.. but I mean its not as automatic as you make it sound..

If AK plays half as well as he played tonight and Memo hits half the threes he hit tonight.. I don't think Houston has a shot..

If boozer/memo make Yao take fade aways get into his head than that puts all the pressure on Tracy, and isn't he due for a back spasm or something? if Luther Head plays as well as he did during the Reg season then they might have a shot. Shane Battier has to play nearly perfect.

for the Jazz to win game 7 they must take Yao's offense out of the game and get Chuck Hayes in foul trouble early (he kills on the REBs) Derek Fisher must not play the last 6 minutes of the game or the Jazz are over.
 
I'm REALLY looking forward to the Bulls vs. Pistons game ;)

I'd rather have GS face Houston than Jazz, and I know the toughest teams they'd face are Phoenix/Chicago/Detroit

It would be nice to see Golden State go all the way and win the championship (Pull a Pittsburgh Steelers' run)
 
[quote name='urzishra14']so you discount Utah because of what?.. you believe that they can't win in Houston? [/quote]

Honestly, it's because I hate Utah. Always have, I hated Karl Malone for being a cheap shot artist and he was really the banner of the team. The guy was such a dirty player, that I grew up hating the Jazz and wishing awful things upon him. Well Karl, how did it feel to never win a ring? To watch the daughter you abandoned win one in her first season, when you never could :lol: I also hate Sloan after finding out what an intolerant jackass he is.

All bias aside, I don't see Houston choking game 7 back home. If game 7 was in Utah, I'd say the Jazz would win. As it stands the game is to be played in Houston. Add to that Houston is 31-13 at home this year, while Utah is 20-24 on the road, including play-offs. T-Mac & Yao have an 800lb gorilla to shake off their back, and getting to the second round does that. Could Utah some how win? Sure, but I really don't see that happening IN Houston.

I only wish the game was being played in China, then Houston would be invincible!
 
[quote name='guyver2077']HOLY SHIT!!!!

WARRIONS WON!!!!!!!!!

i gotta dl this game[/quote]
Just watch the 3rd quarter, best part (unless you're a Mavs fan, then not so good)

Anyone catch what Mark Cubin said to the camera when they cut to him briefly at the end as he was storming off the court? I'm not good at reading lips.
 
Anyone think the Warriors have a legit chance at getting to the conference finals? Possibly the NBA Finals? I see it like this, if the Warriors can continue to play like they did against the Mavs they are going to beat the jazz/rockets. Now onto the Western finals. Depending who the Warriors play I think they can make it to the finals. If the Warriors get the Spurs I think they have a shot, if they play the suns then they are done for.

The reason the warriors beat the mavs is the same reason they can beat the spurs. Both play a slow half court offense and play good defense. And obviously that didn't work to well for the mavs. But if they get the suns they pllay the same style game except the suns are better at it. Advantage suns. All this is assuming though that the Warriors can stay on fire like they where this series.
 
I think they have a good chance, I'd love to see a Suns vs Warriors semi-final. But of course, having the Suns win to go onto the finals. ;)
 
Being a Warriors fan, I was just happy to finally have them make the playoffs. Being the Mavs was just the icing on the cake. I can see them possibly continuing and making the conference finals, but I don't really think they can make it all the way even though it would be a great story if they did.
 
I think the Warriors could make the conference finals, but San Antonio shuts teams like Phoenix and Golden State down.

IMO, The Spurs WILL beat either the Suns or both teams if need be
 
Such a pathetic effort by the Mavs. I'm am truely pissed at them.

I'm all for Golden State, but I predict they'll lose agains San Antonio in the conference finals.
 
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