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Sesame Street. I still remember this bit when I was a kid where, well I don't remember which characters it was, but one asked the other to name some specific number of things that contain milk. So they list a bunch of stuff like ice cream, cheese, etc, and they get down to needing two more, and so he finishes with "and two cows".

 
GatorBeerGeek said:
I started out agreeing with this until you got to the objective part at the end. I believe acting, writing, and even graphics are all still subjective. That is the reason I really do not care to listen or read these long critiques of games/shows unless I asked someone for it. Unsolicited opinions are a bigger waste of time than media you don't like. At least you can always stop watching/playing something you do not care for.
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in that case I bet you've never read more than the first few words of an affa post. or half of my posts these days!

everything's subjective. EVEN SUBJECTIVITY.

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Thermopyle said:
BTW I have to ask--do you people who complain about me having issues with shows/games/etc. consciously decide to ignore that stuff, or do you honestly not notice it in the first place? It's not like I sit down and try to think this stuff through. I don't take notes in an episode of Flash, go over them afterwards, and say "Hey, this shit is stupid!" It's just impossible for me to not notice that kind of thing in any show I watch.

I'm starting to suspect this is similar to how some people can and some people can't tell the difference between standard definition and high definition, or some people can pick out auditory difference between high-quality lossy and lossless audio. That makes more sense to me than that people in here are deliberately ignoring poor quality. If you are...then why? It's not like there's a shortage of things to watch and play, so why lower your standards?
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I used to stick with new shows longer, but now if there isn't some aspect of it which grabs me I drop it in 2-5 episodes. If it ever ends up getting better I can always catch up on it during the summer, and that's happened to me a few times. I wasn't digging the first season of Hannibal after 3 episodes, then NBC said they would not air an episode for "sensitivity" reason due to the Boston bombing (which didn't make much sense because the episode didn't have anything to do with that) and I took that as a good opportunity to exit. Then I caught up latter and I ended up liking it a lot. Season 2 especially was amazing.

 
mpaullin said:
Not directed at you, necessarily, but music snobs are the fucking worst. Music is 100% subjective. People like what they like. When others try and declare that other people's taste in music is "bad" and act like they are so fucking enlightened for listening to what they do it just makes me want to kick them in the balls. Movies, TV, and games at least have some objective stuff you can go by (acting, writing, graphics, etc.)
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I think if we are going to say that movies and games have objective stuff, we can say that music has objective things as well (easy things like the quality of the performing group, their intonation etc., and, without getting too technical, things like the variety in the composition, melody, the chords used, etc.)

I think that all of it is subjective, with objective elements. I can say objectively that 90% of music that makes it in the top 40 uses the same chordal structures, similar melodic patterns, similar tempo, etc. Does that make it objectively bad? No, not at all. There's nothing wrong with liking it, it just isn't for me

 
GatorBeerGeek said:
I started out agreeing with this until you got to the objective part at the end. I believe acting, writing, and even graphics are all still subjective. That is the reason I really do not care to listen or read these long critiques of games/shows unless I asked someone for it. Unsolicited opinions are a bigger waste of time than media you don't like. At least you can always stop watching/playing something you do not care for.
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Well not 100% objective, of course. I think you can come up with examples of really good acting or really bad acting and most people could tell the difference or agree. Ditto with graphics in a game (which is different from art style). There is of course a lot of gray area between.

 
guardian_owl said:
I used to stick with new shows longer, but now if there isn't some aspect of it which grabs me I drop it in 2-5 episodes. If it ever ends up getting better I can always catch up on it during the summer, and that's happened to me a few times. I wasn't digging the first season of Hannibal after 3 episodes, then NBC said they would not air an episode for "sensitivity" reason due to the Boston bombing (which didn't make much sense because the episode didn't have anything to do with that) and I took that as a good opportunity to exit. Then I caught up latter and I ended up liking it a lot. Season 2 especially was amazing.
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Yeah, shows I bail on pretty quickly since they're such a time sink. Even a single season can be 16 hours. Games I usually want to finish, but I typically do more research on the front end before starting them, so there's a higher barrier to entry.

 
mpaullin said:
Well not 100% objective, of course. I think you can come up with examples of really good acting or really bad acting and most people could tell the difference or agree. Ditto with graphics in a game (which is different from art style). There is of course a lot of gray area between.
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Objective means based on fact and not opinion, so it should always be 100%. That is why I think it is all subjective. Of course you could make statements like the graphics are 8 bit that would be objective, but I am not sure you can ever say that for acting. There will always be someone who thinks "bad" acting is actually good.

 
seriously how do they expect to sell just 12k of these things worldwide? there'll have to be some weird ass contest or something. maybe they'll let you trade trophies for a chance to buy.

and yeah, there's no way this thing won't be selling for $1-2k the following day on ebay.
 
Crunchewy said:
The Dark Crystal is now on Netflix. I've been wanting to see that again. I loved it when I was a kid. Not sure how well it holds up.

Also Apocalypse Now (and Redux) and other stuff:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_skeleton_twins/news/1932258/now_streaming_frank_the_skeleton_twins_and_tons_of_classics_on_netflix/?popup=false&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=NowStreamingLabyrinth&utm_campaign=News
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Howard the Duck and Labyrinth are also on Netflix. Just to call out some other childhood favorites.

Though I can say that HtD and Labyrinth have both aged terribly. OTOH I'm pretty sure my tastes are different now versus 30 years ago, so that's a hard claim to legitimately make.

 
GatorBeerGeek said:
I started out agreeing with this until you got to the objective part at the end. I believe acting, writing, and even graphics are all still subjective. That is the reason I really do not care to listen or read these long critiques of games/shows unless I asked someone for it. Unsolicited opinions are a bigger waste of time than media you don't like. At least you can always stop watching/playing something you do not care for.
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That I can't agree with in all cases. On larger releases sure, but on niche titles pretty much the only way people are going to hear about them is through unsolicited opinions, "word of mouth."

 
I just got my Kmart email saying my order is ready for pickup.  It says to go to ANY register/service desk (yes Therm, at the store I requested).  Any of you pansies actually tempted fate and completed a pickup at a Kmart before?  It cant really be that easy right?  There has to be a catch.  Should I just go to the service desk up front? 

 
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pharmacrest said:
I just got my Kmart email saying my order is ready for pickup. It says to go to ANY register/service desk. Any of you pansies actually tempted fate and completed a pickup at a Kmart before? It cant really be that easy right? There has to be a catch. Should I just go to the service desk up front?
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Any register/service desk? Does it have to be at the store you requested? :whistle2:k

 
Thermopyle said:
Any register/service desk? Does it have to be at the store you requested? :whistle2:k
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yeah, just take your email to a Bed Bath and Beyond and ask for your Lord of Shadows 2.

edit - lord of shadows? lords of shadow? I don't know. I'm a poser, confirmed.
 
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pharmacrest said:
I just got my Kmart email saying my order is ready for pickup. It says to go to ANY register/service desk. Any of you pansies actually tempted fate and completed a pickup at a Kmart before? It cant really be that easy right? There has to be a catch. Should I just go to the service desk up front?
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You can, at least to ask where you pick up online orders. You might be directed to the Layaway desk, which is where I've picked up things in the past.

 
Here's another oddly vague thing I see all the time:

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I think you could make the argument that the property owner is the one who should be paying for the tow job here. It could go either way, but leaving it open to interpretation seems like a bad idea.

 
Thermopyle said:
Here's another oddly vague thing I see all the time:

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I think you could make the argument that the property owner is the one who should be paying for the tow job here. It could go either way, but leaving it open to interpretation seems like a bad idea.
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You're being intentionally dense and obtuse with that one.

 
Therm, there are some vague signs, but that one is clearly talking about the vehicle. So when it says owner's expense, its clearly speaking about the owner of the vehicle. 

If you are going to drive a car, you need to know it can also be called a vehicle.

 
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Thermopyle said:
Here's another oddly vague thing I see all the time:

I think you could make the argument that the property owner is the one who should be paying for the tow job here. It could go either way, but leaving it open to interpretation seems like a bad idea.
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Why should I have to pay for the tow job because some idiot parked where he shouldn't?

EDIT: Oh, you meant how you could interpret the sign, not how it should be enforced. You should have worded that better. :shame:

 
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Thermopyle said:
Here's another oddly vague thing I see all the time:

I think you could make the argument that the property owner is the one who should be paying for the tow job here. It could go either way, but leaving it open to interpretation seems like a bad idea.
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Opinions like this are why we have to have miniature font size paragraphs of lawyer speak on everything.

 
GatorBeerGeek said:
Opinions like this are why we have to have miniature font size paragraphs of lawyer speak on everything.
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Yeah, which is what I was calling out. Clearly it should mean the vehicle owner's expense, and quite a few signs specify that, but when it just says "owner's expense" you leave yourself open to that liability.

 
Thermopyle said:
Yeah, which is what I was calling out. Clearly it should mean the vehicle owner's expense, and quite a few signs specify that, but when it just says "owner's expense" you leave yourself open to that liability.
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NO, NO you dont! It isnt ambiguous! The sentence refers to the vehicle! Not the parking lot/land/whatever. Dammit Therm!

#pullinaZimm

 
How the hell am I still not #1 in this thread?  I feel like MildObstruction.  Which is to say I am wasting my life away here and yet still cant get to the top!

 
Backlog_Overload said:
I like this. Is this good ender?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjUgJ6Cw5PU
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Well, I can't tell you if it's good or not. I can tell you that I like it, but probably not enough to download and listen to more than once. Rap, like pretty much anything else at this point, I tend to gravitate towards alternative takes on the genre. A fairly new rap group I've been enjoying is CLIPPING which combines rap and "noise"

 
Therm, I assume you went to college, what did you major in?  We know it can't be English or any scientific related discipline since you don't seem to understand the meaning of subjective and objective.  I want to guess something like Art History but I can't imagine how you ended up in Nashville if that were the case.

 
GatorBeerGeek said:
Therm, I assume you went to college, what did you major in? We know it can't be English or any scientific related discipline since you don't seem to understand the meaning of subjective and objective. I want to guess something like Art History but I can't imagine how you ended up in Nashville if that were the case.
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He majored in music.

 
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