Rock Band series - Rock Band 4 out now

[quote name='Brainwave0']I can't say that I've ever chosen to play any of them besides that initial time after d/l'ing them. You're not missing out, but if you feel you are, check youtube. I'm sure most are there for you to watch/listen before hunting down a code.[/QUOTE]

I was lucky enough to get a code for the songs from Ronin317 (thanks again, Ronin!) and I must say that some of them are really not fun, but a couple of them are greatly enjoyable.
 
I was browsing through the PS Store and got excited when I read a part of the description for their Season's Greetings window: "Croon Elvis' 'Blue Christmas' in Rock Band." Then I remembered that the Pretenders' cover of the song was released last year. They tricked me!
 
fuck yes, more 30 Seconds to Mars!!!! For the first time in a while, I can't wait until Tuesday for the Rock Band Update!!! In for AAR, will have to think about more green day tracks.
 
[quote name='rapsodist']I was browsing through the PS Store and got excited when I read a part of the description for their Season's Greetings window: "Croon Elvis' 'Blue Christmas' in Rock Band." Then I remembered that the Pretenders' cover of the song was released last year. They tricked me![/QUOTE]
Wow, that is a pretty cruel trick. I'd love me some Elvis in Rock Band.
 
I'm really, really disappointed.

I thought the release of The Beatles: Rock Band ensured that we wouldn't have any bullshit band-specific Rock Band releases.

Man. :[
 
[quote name='Trakan']http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18857448&postcount=90633

Rock Band: Green Day.

Harmonix is dead to me.[/QUOTE]

Why?

The video confirms NOTHING - this could be anything from a track pack to DLC with avatars and level support added, to a video they hacked together in-engine to announce more DLC. I really don't think that Harmonix isn't going to attempt to release a full-blown, $60 Green Day game...and if they were, we would have heard about it by now, since the date in the video is for Monday.

I could be wrong, but the reaction to the video hasn't exactly been a reasoned one on any of the sites I've looked at.
 
[quote name='Gothic Walrus']Why?

The video confirms NOTHING - this could be anything from a track pack to DLC with avatars and level support added, to a video they hacked together in-engine to announce more DLC. I really don't think that Harmonix isn't going to attempt to release a full-blown, $60 Green Day game...and if they were, we would have heard about it by now, since the date in the video is for Monday.

I could be wrong, but the reaction to the video hasn't exactly been a reasoned one on any of the sites I've looked at.[/QUOTE]

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/12/12/mtv-teases-green-day-rock-band/

Update: We also spotted some of the trailer during the "Rehearsal Sneak Peek" video over at Spike, which Geoff Keighley followed up with "You gotta tune into the VGAs to see the announcement of the next Rock Band game." Sure sounds like a full Rock Band game to us!
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I think it will be the next rock band game. I don't see the point of making green day avatars for the game if it's going to be a track pack or dlc. AC/DC didn't get it for their track pack, and the beatles did get it, for their full blown game. While the beatles were more the exception than the rule, I didn't like a standalone band game. Green day is the last band that deserves the whole game kind of treatment. The end of the trailer even says "ROCK BAND: GREEN DAY." I don't like that Harmonix is going the way of Activision.

While you could be right, to me, the evidence points to a new full game right now. If this is some sort of announcement that there will be playable bands in Rock Band 3, then my viewpoint may change. For now, they're dead to me.
 
Wow, as much as I like Green Day, there's no reason to give them their own game. I'm sure Harmonix sees this as generating more revenue, but if it's at the cost of alienating customers, what do they really stand to gain? The only way I could see this working is if they also sell a DLC code for the songs...for people who have zero interest in playing as Billie Joe, and just want to add the songs to their catalog.

But more than likely, it will be just like Lego Rock Band where you have to buy the game new to get the one-time use export code. Then pay MS points to "download" the songs. Actually, who knows if that will even be an option since the Beatles songs couldn't be exported (although for now, I'll assume that was due to how sacred they are).

I wouldn't mind having this game available to the super Green Day fans, but don't force it down all of our throats. But if this is truly only a separate game, then I see this being one of the catalysts that really kills off the genre. The last thing we need is 10 Guitar Heroes and 5 Rock Bands.
 
After all the bad press Activision is getting about the real singers being able to perform other people's songs, Harmonix should take advantage of this and start using the real band likenesses and have them locked to their specific songs for Rock Band 3. I would much rather see Pearl Jam performing their songs then the crew of random misfits I get backing my character currently.
 
[quote name='Gothic Walrus']Why?

The video confirms NOTHING - this could be anything from a track pack to DLC with avatars and level support added, to a video they hacked together in-engine to announce more DLC. I really don't think that Harmonix isn't going to attempt to release a full-blown, $60 Green Day game...and if they were, we would have heard about it by now, since the date in the video is for Monday.

I could be wrong, but the reaction to the video hasn't exactly been a reasoned one on any of the sites I've looked at.[/QUOTE]

Confirmed.

Harmonix, die in a fire. It wasn't supposed to be like this. You weren't supposed to turn in to Activision 2.0.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Am I the only one here who likes Green Day?[/QUOTE]
I like them but I'm with it seems to be the majority consensus here that at best this should be a track pack but it should be just a giant dlc pack and not an individual game.
 
I'm not a huge Green Day fan, but that's mainly because of their more recent work. What I don't understand, however, is the people that are all like 'fuck Harmonix!', as if this is them shitting on people.

It's not, get over it.

Whether we like or not, this is the business model that they are faced with. DLC is nice and all, but the sheer fact remains that Rock Band 2 is, say it with me, old news. It might be a different story if Activision *wasn't* releasing games every single month, but that's obviously not happening. What I'm getting at is this: shelf space and signage. This glut of Guitar Hero releases has given them a brand identity in stores and (this is the important part) THAT is what Mom & Pop 'not connected to no innertubes' see when they go to a store.

Harmonix needs to have new games releasing into the marketplace, or they lose out on business, especially with the GIGANTIC fuck-ALL BOXES of these games. Whether it's the Beatles (which, obviously, less people complained about), or Lego Rock Band (not an awful game, by the way), Rock Band has to get on the shelf. If this is the stop-gap between now and Rock Band 3, so be it.

Now, the crux of the matter... let's not beat around the bush, the backlash is because it's Green Day. To many (and I agree), they aren't a band that really deserves their own game. The Beatles did, and any eventual Zeppelin release would, but Green Day? Odd choice. I'd assume it has to do with two things: 1, cross-over appeal. Anyone between 20-30 was a teenager when they hit it big and, likely, enjoyed them. Admit it, the early stuff wasn't bad. On top of that, they've had a resurgence recently, so you also get the Band Hero crowd. Win/win. 2, Green Day seems like a band that appreciate the games, and wants to be a part of it. If anything, I'd venture to say that Green Day themselves proposed the idea. Better to work with a band that is interested than one that doesn't understand games (*cough* Eddie Van Halen handing it off to his son *cough*).

Now, bottom line... this isn't a move that I'm real happy about. It's not a business model I like, but it's the one they're stuck with. Guitar Hero is doing very well, and that's because they're all over the place. Harmonix has to keep up, which is a shame, but it won't change. The only consolation is that, unlike Activision, Harmonix won't completely halfass (Aerosmith, Van Halen) their standalone games. Whether you like The Beatles or not, that game was amazingly well done. I don't expect Green Day to be at quite that level, but I can't see them re-skinning RB2 with some Green Day shit and calling it a day.

So, yeah, you can disagree with it all you want (remember, I do, too), but there's no need to act like Harmonix is personally dick-slapping you.

(Sidenote: I need to start typing shorter posts. Ha.)
 
Another band specific game? Dickslap.

Green Day follows The Beatles? Dickslap.

Green Day instead of the umpteen other bands they could have chosen? Dickslap.

Harmonix following Activision's business model? Dickslap.
 
I'm with everyone else, but to defend Harmonix a bit, they cannot sustain a DLC only model, there has to be some product on the shelf to work with that DLC and draw in new customers. Rock Band 2 is being cleared out everywhere leaving them with what, the Metal track pack?

They clearly shouldn't have put all their eggs in one basket this year (Beatles). Whether they like it or not, for the franchise to be sustainable it needs to be a yearly franchise so that there is ALWAYS a Rock Band game on store shelves. Green Day, Pearl Jam and the rumored Queen track packs are not a proper substitute. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if this was originally intended for DLC and was bumped up to retail disc so they have a product on store shelves while RB3 is still in development.

It will be interesting to see if Harmonix addresses all the complaints about this announcement.
 
Haha, green day, get the fuck out of here. Haha ffffuuuck that's lame. Also, blame MTV, this is probably more their work than Harmonix's directly.

[quote name='007']The only consolation is that, unlike Activision, Harmonix won't completely halfass (Aerosmith, Van Halen) their standalone games. Whether you like The Beatles or not, that game was amazingly well done.[/QUOTE]

The reason B:RB was so well done was because the Beatles were actually fascinating and interesting individuals with a terrific band story and lore, and possessed some sort of artistic depth, giving Harmonix so much to draw from. Green Day is a stupid little teenie punk band with absolutely nothing interesting about them at all. No amount of effort from Harmonix could produce an interesting or rich game, because there is nothing to draw inspiration from, with this shitty fucking band.
 
If they wanted to sell out like this they should have gotten Nickelback. Green Day has all of two albums that the mainstream public really gave a fuck about and yet they deserve their own release? Shit like this really makes me realize why I am slowly losing interest in games.

P.S. fuck You Harmonix.
 
[quote name='Tha Xecutioner']I, for one, would really like to hear BostonCollegeFan's in-depth analysis of this breaking news.[/QUOTE]
Too bad his ass is banned.

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Oh fuck.

Just thought of something...

This kind of gives that U2 rumor from awhile back more weight now. :wall:

Oh goddammit Harmonix...
 
Is there a reason they cannot just come out with huge expansion packs that would just update your current Rock Band 2? Even releasing the DLC disc in store that will install it to your current game. It is dumb making a new version for every band. And Green Day? What the hell? Do they really have that big of a fanbase?
 
[quote name='gsr']it's exportable..why is everyone crying?[/QUOTE]


Uh, the complaining is (for the most part) not about whether or not we can play the Green Day songs in RB1 or RB2. It's about the very existence of Green Day: Rock Band. It's basically one of the signs of the Rock Band apocalypse; we're worried that RB is going to start heading down the same path as GH, with endless cheap, soulless, band-specific cash-in spinoffs, and that the series will start to go downhill, the way GH has, with it's monstrous over-exposure and over-doing.

[quote name='DarkNessBear']Is there a reason they cannot just come out with huge expansion packs that would just update your current Rock Band 2? Even releasing the DLC disc in store that will install it to your current game.[/QUOTE]

They basically did that, already. It was called the AC/DC Track Pack.
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']Is there a reason they cannot just come out with huge expansion packs that would just update your current Rock Band 2? Even releasing the DLC disc in store that will install it to your current game.[/QUOTE]

They basically did that, already. It was called the AC/DC Track Pack.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']
They basically did that, already. It was called the AC/DC Track Pack.[/QUOTE]
Yea, that is what I was thinking of. What is wrong with that? And they could just add in the added animations and stages ect.

Beatles is one thing, but that is all that is needed.
 
I still don't see what all the fuss is about.

The second Beatles Rock Band came out I knew that it was the beginning of the band-specific RB titles. It's about cash, people. The game companies could give two shits what you guys think about it.

I agree, giving Green Day a title to themselves after releasing a title dedicated to a very celebrated band is odd, reaching to two completely different ends of the spectrum.

But for all of you and your posts of "fuck Harmonix" and so outraged that they are falling into the GH scheme of band-related titles is completely fucking idiotic. Most of you Rock Band fans all rode the Harmonix mark wagon and kept telling yourselves that they would NEVER do the things Guitar Hero did. Now all of a sudden you feel betrayed and upset after hearing the announcement of the game.

Get the fuck over it. It's a business. They don't care how you feel. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Don't talk about it in forums, don't express outrage in a poorly lighted YouTube video, just get over it.

The hardcore Green Day fans will buy it. Myself included. Yeah, I know. I'll catch heat from some of you after going on this mini-rant then saying I'll probably buy it. I own all of their albums (physically, no digital copies unless I ripped it to my computer) and have been a fan since my middle school days. But in the end, this is the demographic I'd expect to buy the game. Which is probably nowhere near the demographic of the Beatles Rock Band game (which I do also own).

Will the sales determine whether or not Harmonix decides to go full-tilt into yearly band-specific titles? Maybe. They could very well have another band-specific title in the hopper already for release in 2011. Then again we'll have the "firestorm of controversy" and people doing a Nancy Kerrigan in their living rooms upon the news of another band-specific RB title.

Or you can just face the fact that it's a part of the business, shrug your shoulders, and move on with your life and gaming habits. Because there's nothing any of us can do about it other than speaking with our wallets.
 
[quote name='tcrash247']I don't like the Beatles and I don't like Green Day. Why does Guitar Hero get all the good band specific games?[/QUOTE]

Trust me, Guitar Hero: Van Halen is nowhere near a good band specific game. Even for free I feel robbed.
 
Well, I was wrong.

Also, everyone who's whining about how this is the death of Harmonix is a fucking idiot. 007 and Corvin are right - Harmonix needs to keep the Rock Band series on shelves so that the games and instruments will keep selling, and if this is what it takes to do that, I can live with it. Even with a large install base, DLC alone isn't a sustainable business model.

[quote name='mcgavin27']I like them but I'm with it seems to be the majority consensus here that at best this should be a track pack but it should be just a giant dlc pack and not an individual game.[/QUOTE]

Isn't that essentially what this is? It's exportable, and depending on how many tracks are on the disc it may cost less than an equivalent track pack would. Yes, you won't be able to pick and choose, but given how quickly some of the other packs have dropped is it really that big of a deal if you get it through a CAG sale for $10 or $20, like I'm sure most of you will once the tantrums subside?

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Uh, the complaining is (for the most part) not about whether or not we can play the Green Day songs in RB1 or RB2. It's about the very existence of Green Day: Rock Band. It's basically one of the signs of the Rock Band apocalypse; we're worried that RB is going to start heading down the same path as GH, with endless cheap, soulless, band-specific cash-in spinoffs, and that the series will start to go downhill, the way GH has, with it's monstrous over-exposure and over-doing.[/QUOTE]

So far, Harmonix has done NOTHING to make me think that they're going to begin releasing "cheap, soulless cash-in spinoffs." Why has that changed now - because people don't like the band? Why are we assuming that this will suddenly be garbage when all we've got to go off is one video clip that's less than a minute long?

Whether you like them or not, you've got to admit that Harmonix could do a lot worse than a band that's had a 20+ year career, sold over 20 million records, and is still popular.

[quote name='BlueSwim']Is it just me or was the character animation in the Green Day: Rock Band trailer underwhelming?[/QUOTE]

Given that the game doesn't even have a release date yet other than a nebulous "2010," I figure they've got time to improve that.

[quote name='CaseyRyback']If they wanted to sell out like this they should have gotten Nickelback. Green Day has all of two albums that the mainstream public really gave a fuck about and yet they deserve their own release? Shit like this really makes me realize why I am slowly losing interest in games.

P.S. fuck You Harmonix.[/QUOTE]

And which two albums are those? Are we ignoring Dookie, American Idiot, or 21st Century Breakdown? I'm willing to give you that the general public hasn't cared about all of their albums, but you're cutting eight (or nine, depending on if you count 1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours) albums down to two.

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']It's interesting how people seem to be putting all the blame on Harmonix. Personally, my guns are aimed at MTV Games.[/QUOTE]

Or EA. Don't forget that they're the publisher, and concentrated evil to boot.

[quote name='DarkNessBear']Is there a reason they cannot just come out with huge expansion packs that would just update your current Rock Band 2? Even releasing the DLC disc in store that will install it to your current game. It is dumb making a new version for every band. And Green Day? What the hell? Do they really have that big of a fanbase?[/QUOTE]

There's no reason they can't release DLC on disc, but depending on how well the track packs have sold they might be reluctant to.

As far as "every band" goes, we're up to three: The Beatles, AC/DC, and Green Day. Given how popular those three bands are, I can understand why they'd warrant retail shelf space.

As for the fanbase, given that their last album hit #1 in fourteen countries, I'd say yes. Yes, they do.

[quote name='DarkNessBear']Yea, that is what I was thinking of. What is wrong with that? And they could just add in the added animations and stages ect.

Beatles is one thing, but that is all that is needed.[/QUOTE]

Isn't this exactly what they're doing? Make skins for the band, make a few stages, slap it all over the Beatles engine (look at the vocals in the video)...it isn't that much work, and it won't detract from development of anything else they're working on.

We can quibble over the definition of "game," but I'm willing to bet that this will be a $30 or $40 glorified track pack like AC/DC was.

[quote name='tcrash247']I don't like the Beatles and I don't like Green Day. Why does Guitar Hero get all the good band specific games?[/QUOTE]

It isn't Harmonix's fault that you don't like the bands they pick. Personally, I'll take The Beatles, AC/DC, and Green Day over Aerosmith, Metallica, and Van Halen, especially when Activision's idea of "band-specific" is "half the tracklist is made up of other bands."
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Didn't the guy in the video say it would feature other bands too?[/QUOTE]

Is there a second video? I couldn't bring myself to sit through the giant ad that is the VGAs, so the only one I've seen so far was the ~45 second one on MTV's website that was just the band playing "American Idiot" and ended with Green Day and Rock Band logos.

Wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong in this topic. In the past day.
 
Regardless of how good the band specific games for either brand are, I'm just saying I prefer Guitar Hero's bands over Rock Band's. And Harmonix's idea to make that AC/DC pack all live songs was a very poor decision, in my opinion. I very much prefer Bon Scott to Brian Johnson. I wanted to sing The Jack referencing playing cards, not fucking.
 
[quote name='tcrash247']Regardless of how good the band specific games for either brand are, I'm just saying I prefer Guitar Hero's bands over Rock Band's. And Harmonix's idea to make that AC/DC pack all live songs was a very poor decision, in my opinion. I very much prefer Bon Scott to Brian Johnson. I wanted to sing The Jack referencing playing cards, not fucking.[/QUOTE]

That was AC/DC's decision not Harmonix. And the original Jack was about fucking. More specifically Bon getting an STD from a groupie. It was masked by using playing cards as a double-entendre. I was quite disappointed by this jacked (ha!) up version.
 
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