Seahawks Rule! AKA Official NFL Discussion Thread #3

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Damn now Chris Henry is injured, i've been watching the game, did they say Palmer was out for the game?
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']If we're going to be making excuses for why the rankings are so low, then Denver has one as well. Champ has not been 100% for most of the season and there's 3 rookies busting their ass to do a good job and compensate for Champ's injury. Denver's got the #2 rushing D, with one of the best LB corps around and a pretty good DL with the so-called Browncos doing well in a better situation in Denver.[/quote]
I said that both teams had better passing defenses than the stats would lead you to believe.

[quote name='FriskyTanuki']When a team's passing offense is over 22 spots higher than their rushing D is ranked, then you've got a one-sided offense. Less than 100 yards a game averaged is not a good rushing game. The day you mentioned is part of that intangibles thing which where NE can scare the crap out of teams.[/quote]
Thats statistics again, injuries forced the team to rely on the passing game for a lot of the season. Corey Dillon, Kevin Faulk, and Patrick Pass were all injured for substantial periods of time, Heath Evans was the starter for 4 games, and was the only active RB on the roster for a few of those. They had to get it done without a running game for a while, but all 3 are at least somewhat healthy now.

[quote name='FriskyTanuki']That's because Denver uses the run to set up the pass. They don't pass for the sake of passing because that's what's gotten Jake into trouble in the past. When you take 6 less passes a game than the other guy, of course his passing game will seem better. I feel that Denver's depth and skill at RB will be their strength and their key to overcoming the tough NE defense.[/quote]
And the Patriots like to take away what you're good at, and make you do things you don't want to do. They'd like to force Denver to put the game into Jake Plummer's hands, we'll see if they're able to do that or not. The front 7 has been dominating the last 3-4 games, it'll be very interesting to see. Denver is Denver though, nobody really shuts down their run completely.

[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I've got to agree. It's a great game because neither team seems clearly better than the other. New England's ability to just win. Jake doesn't try to scare teams, he just tries to beat them. If a team feels like playing him like he's back in AZ, he'll make them pay. Of course it goes through Indy or Denver since their the top two teams in the AFC ;), but yeah, the records don't mean crap once both teams take the field next week as it's "Put up or shut up" time.[/QUOTE]
Looks like it will be Pats-Denver next week, just saw Palmer get hurt. Bye bye Bengals. Denver would probably be a tougher game than Indy.
 
This fucking blows, the playoffs so far have sucked balls. The opening pass from Palmer to Henry gave me hope of a great game, now Kitna's in. Damn what a shitty playoffs so far:

Redskins win with no offense
Pats blow-out Jags
Panthers blow-out Giants
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']This fucking blows, the playoffs so far have sucked balls. The opening pass from Palmer to Henry gave me hope of a great game, now Kitna's in. Damn what a shitty playoffs so far:

Redskins win with no offense
Pats blow-out Jags
Panthers blow-out Giants[/QUOTE]
Don't worry, Pittsburgh is doing all they can to hand the game to the Bengals. Lets see who wins, choking or injuries.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I said that both teams had better passing defenses than the stats would lead you to believe.[/quote]
Then we don't need to discuss this further.

[quote name='dafoomie']Thats statistics again, injuries forced the team to rely on the passing game for a lot of the season. Corey Dillon, Kevin Faulk, and Patrick Pass were all injured for substantial periods of time, Heath Evans was the starter for 4 games, and was the only active RB on the roster for a few of those. They had to get it done without a running game for a while, but all 3 are at least somewhat healthy now.[/quote]
And this is the reason why I feel the pasisng numbers are a little bloated, but they're still indicative that NE is still a threat in the passing game. They'd still have to get through one of the toughest rushing D's in the game, and being banged up doesn't help their cause one bit.

[quote name='dafoomie']And the Patriots like to take away what you're good at, and make you do things you don't want to do. They'd like to force Denver to put the game into Jake Plummer's hands, we'll see if they're able to do that or not. The front 7 has been dominating the last 3-4 games, it'll be very interesting to see. Denver is Denver though, nobody really shuts down their run completely.[/quote]
They would have to be able to stop 2-3 guys to take away Denver's running game, which like you mentioned is an extremely difficult task that I don't think any D can do.

[quote name='dafoomie']Looks like it will be Pats-Denver next week, just saw Palmer get hurt. Bye bye Bengals. Denver would probably be a tougher game than Indy.[/QUOTE]
Don't put Kitna down just yet, he's no Kyle Orton or Craig Krenzel. Remember when he almost got Cincy to the playoffs last year? He's no pushover. It'll be close.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Denver would probably be a tougher game than Indy.[/QUOTE]

I can't wait until Peyton sends Brady home. I'll make a "bye bye Patriots" thread dedicated to you.
 
It's not over yet guys, Kitna has stepped up thus far (I'm posting this at halftime). He seems to be playing a LOT better than he did against KC, hes to hoping he can keep it up for the rest of this game (and the rest of the playoffs).
 
Man, Kitna fucking sucks; he's somehow managed to avoid looking like the complete and total buffoon that he was last week. Hopefully the Steelers continue to stumble just enough to let the Bengals win.

EDIT: Palmer's out for the entire postseason; I made a bet last night in which the winner would buy drinks during the Super Bowl game. I wagered that the Bengals wouldn't make it to the Super Bowl, my friend disagreed. So, the natural question is this: Shall I have whiskey, or beer?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Man, Kitna fucking sucks; he's somehow managed to avoid looking like the complete and total buffoon that he was last week. Hopefully the Steelers continue to stumble just enough to let the Bengals win.
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Why? Do you really want to watch another blowout game next week? Even the Steelers playing like this will be better than another week of the toothless cats.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Why? Do you really want to watch another blowout game next week? Even the Steelers playing like this will be better than another week of the toothless cats.[/QUOTE]
Admittedly, I watch very little football other than the Bengals, so if they don't win I won't be watching.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Admittedly, I watch very little football other than the Bengals, so if they don't win I won't be watching.[/QUOTE]

Ah, well that does make sense then. Although I can't say football would be a very enjoyable sport for you considering the last decade.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Damn that last play by Pittsburgh has gotta be the coolest play in a long time.[/QUOTE]

i would have to say on the contrary, Cincinatti is one of the worst defenses ive seen on a winning team in a long time...
 
[quote name='thingsfallnapart']i would have to say on the contrary, Cincinatti is one of the worst defenses ive seen on a winning team in a long time...[/QUOTE]


I'm a huge Bengals fan but I must say our defense IS terrible. I'm only 19 so this is the first winning season I've seen (I was only like 3-4 last time they were good). It really sucks to see it end like this :(
 
[quote name='Staind204']I'm a huge Bengals fan but I must say our defense IS terrible. I'm only 19 so this is the first winning season I've seen (I was only like 3-4 last time they were good). It really sucks to see it end like this :([/QUOTE]

im sitting here watching rothlisburguerrere's pass on the gadget play go for a td, imagining all the hearts sink in cincinatti. Man do i know that feeling too well being a seattle sports fan.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Ah, well that does make sense then. Although I can't say football would be a very enjoyable sport for you considering the last decade.[/QUOTE]
Well, truth be told, I wasn't into football until it happened by accident. In this city, the Bengals were reviled for years (obviously) because they completely and totally fucking sucked (as an alcoholic friend of mine told me, "The last time the Bengals had a winning season, I was drinking.") I was in that typical rebellious teenage punk-rock kid "fuck sports" kind of mentality at the time, and didn't give a good goddamn about football (which was feuled, of course, by the weird kid/jock rivalry that exists in most high schools).

Short story long, I began watching the Bengals because, even with a completely limited understanding of football, they were *so* bad that even I could identify how much they sucked. Bengals football was, to me, not entertaining as a sport, but entertaining in a vaudevillian comedy sense. The Bengals were slapstick comedy for that decade. Over time, I began to (this is how I consider it "accidental") understand the rules of the game, various strategies and penalties, positions, and other things that people who know the game take for granted. So I stopped watching it with a cynical eye about 4 years ago, and began watching it with some interest.

I still think Bengals' owner Mike Brown is a piece of garbage, and regardless of sport, anyone who argues for the public paying the cost of building a stadium should be punched in the face. Repeatedly. That's a discussion for another day.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
I still think Bengals' owner Mike Brown is a piece of garbage, and regardless of sport, anyone who argues for the public paying the cost of building a stadium should be punched in the face. Repeatedly. That's a discussion for another day.[/QUOTE]

Well that's the problem with sports, stadiums cost more than most professional sports teams are worth. Look at it this way at least it's only 1 stadium, in Seattle they build one for the baseball team and right next door a seperate one for the Football team, both of which are primarily used for the two sports as most other events are held in fully enclosed basketball arena.
 
I just took a look at the box score and Kimo von Oelhoffen hasn't even made a tackle. The fucking biggest play of the game and that guy won't even show up.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Well that's the problem with sports, stadiums cost more than most professional sports teams are worth. Look at it this way at least it's only 1 stadium, in Seattle they build one for the baseball team and right next door a seperate one for the Football team, both of which are primarily used for the two sports as most other events are held in fully enclosed basketball arena.[/QUOTE]

Umm... we actually did the same thing here in Cincinnati. The Reds have a new stadium as well.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Umm... we actually did the same thing here in Cincinnati. The Reds have a new stadium as well.[/QUOTE]

Oh shit I forgot you guys had a baseball team.:lol:

Well okay did they build them right next door to each other, making parking nearly impossible?
 
Bengals fans should be proud of their team and the way they played today after losing Carson Palmer. On the other hand the Giants forgot that they had a game today. What a damn shame.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Oh shit I forgot you guys had a baseball team.:lol:

Well okay did they build them right next door to each other, making parking nearly impossible?[/QUOTE]

Yep. And if any Steelers fans want to gloat about beating the Bengals after injuring Palmer, I would expect no less.
 
[quote name='kill3r7']Bengals fans should be proud of their team and the way they played today after losing Carson Palmer. On the other hand the Giants forgot that they had a game today. What a damn shame.[/QUOTE]
It's a rough loss, but I think that any Cincinnati (that's two 'n's and one 't' for future reference for all of you) fan who really thought they'd get to the Super Bowl is having nothing but delusions of grandeur. For the Bengals to have their best season in a decade and a half, all they needed to do was win, bare minimum, 9 games. To go 11-5 (those last two losses were admittedly brutal, *especially* KC) makes me perfectly satisfied; moreover, Carson is with the team for the long term, and this is his second season as a starter and third overall (even if he took 0 snaps his first year).

The only thing that makes me unhappy about the Bengals is the fans. Both with the Reds and the Bengals (I don't know about other cities), the fans are, for the most part, fair-weather. I imagine you'd get more respect as a vagrant on the streets of the 'nati in 1996 that if you were Corey Dillon. It's the complete opposite now; while it feels good to have a winning team, it's bothersome that people will follow them when successful, and shit on them when they aren't. The same goes for the Reds; I go to around 25 baseball games a year, and if the Reds aren't in first within the first three weeks, then attendance will literally go from 45,000+ to 23,000+.

PAD, that's a cute sig, though I'd expect something wittier. Between today's game and Sean Casey (unarguably the slowest runner in baseball) being traded to the Pirates, I think I fucking hate Pittsburgh (tho' the Warhol museum is nice, I hear). Well, at least I can say this: enjoy Casey, use him well and treat him nice. Be thankful that he's a power hitter, and anytime he gets a single, think "that could have been a double for an average runner." Also, I hope that you can relish in the fact that even the Reds (close to, but not as, shitty as the Pirates) can take a 10-11 pitcher from Pittsburgh and turn him into a 15-18 game winner, since he'll be put into an environment with a real baseball team, of course. ;)

Y'know, this marks a milestone. I don't think I've ever gotten into a geographic argument over one citie's superiority over another based on one sport, let alone crossing several. Cheers for me!
 
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[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Hate the Steelers? Maybe you should ask "Who Were Dey!".[/QUOTE]

LOL nice sig, fuck YOU! :roll:


Sad sad day, we go from looking forward to the playoff run and then a nice Pro Bowl and off-season of boosting up the defense to a now an off-season where we are looking forward to hearing positive medical reports and worrying about our best players health.

Congrats Steelers fans you won the game but didn't beat the true Bengals, oh well shit happens. We will be back next year come playoff time with a healthy Carson and a better defense. This division will be really fun for years to come.

I've been a Bengals fan my entire life from the glory days as a lil kid, although I wasn't old enough to appreciate what I was seeing, and then through all their awful years when I still loved them and went to games and supported them. Walking into the stadium today was the top of my Bengals roller coaster and then Carson going down on the 2nd play from scrimmage was the the coaster crashing down.........
 
It was a rough game but no one should be mad at Kitna. He played a good game in the 1st half but things just fell apart. He is our BACK UP for a reason, the KC game was his first real game in a long time so of course he is going to be rusty. He has always been a good team player on the sidelines and he tried his best today but it just wasn't enough. Hopefully Palmer will be better by training camp and we can make a better run towards the Super Bowl next yr :)
 
[quote name='Staind204']It was a rough game but no one should be mad at Kitna. He played a good game in the 1st half but things just fell apart. He is our BACK UP for a reason, the KC game was his first real game in a long time so of course he is going to be rusty. He has always been a good team player on the sidelines and he tried his best today but it just wasn't enough. Hopefully Palmer will be better by training camp and we can make a better run towards the Super Bowl next yr :)[/QUOTE]

People who are pissed at Kitna are stupid. If Kitna hadn't have taken Carson under his wing and helped him we wouldn't even be talking about the playoffs. Kitna could have easily demanded a trade or just turned his back on Carson when his starting job was handed to Carson on a silver platter at training camp last year. They are best of friends and he's a good mentor just not as physically gifted but still one of the top backups in the league. I hope he signs with the Bengals next year, if he goes somewhere else he's just gonna be stop gap until that team gets a young QB ready to take his job.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']We beat the true Bengals like rented mules in October and January.

Crying about it won't erase the fact the Bengals got PWN3D.[/QUOTE]

Nobody is crying I said congrats Steelers fans shit happens... How is that crying?

The final breakdown of the Steelers Bengals series is

Steelers 1 win
Bengals 1 win
Kimo 1 win


Argue till you are blue in the face but you know win or lose the game would've been ALOT different with Palmer at QB instead of Kitna. One is a MVP caliber player and one is a backup who played 3 quarter all seasons....:roll:
 
Champions are made and playoffs are won on roster depth.

I would have been fine with Charlie Batch playing against the Bengals had Ben been injured.

At least you won't have Bettis running over your pathetic defense for 30 yards next year.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Champions are made and playoffs are won on roster depth.

I would have been fine with Charlie Batch playing against the Bengals had Ben been injured.

At least you won't have Bettis running over your pathetic defense for 30 yards next year.[/QUOTE]

Woulda been fine with Charlie Batch? Get the fuck out, now.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Champions are made and playoffs are won on roster depth.

I would have been fine with Charlie Batch playing against the Bengals had Ben been injured.

At least you won't have Bettis running over your pathetic defense for 30 yards next year.[/QUOTE]

Yea Batch but why not Maddox? :)
 
Because he hasn't been the same since he was knocked out in the Tennessee game two seasons back. He was a very good and capable quarterback but his effectiveness on the playing field ended that day.
 
The poster is right about fair weather fans. I live in Cincinnati and am personally sick of all the "Lifetime Bengal Fans" that you see everywhere now. A fun game to play with these people is to ask them who the Bengals long snapper is. About 85 % of these "Lifelong Fans" have no clue. It's Brad St. Louis by the way. While I am sad that Carson got hurt, I am glad the season is over cause maybe now all this WHO DEY crap will end.
 
Chad Johnson crying is one of the funniest things I've ever seen in football.

Looks like your prediction of a Colts/Bengals AFC Championship shootout isn't going to come true, eh Chad?
 
[quote name='mmn']Chad Johnson crying is one of the funniest things I've ever seen in football.

Looks like your prediction of a Colts/Bengals AFC Championship shootout isn't going to come true, eh Chad?[/QUOTE]

Wait, correct me if i'm wrong but isn't the last time a Colts fan can gloat was in January 17,1971?
 
[quote name='jcp4322']The poster is right about fair weather fans. I live in Cincinnati and am personally sick of all the "Lifetime Bengal Fans" that you see everywhere now. A fun game to play with these people is to ask them who the Bengals long snapper is. About 85 % of these "Lifelong Fans" have no clue. It's Brad St. Louis by the way. While I am sad that Carson got hurt, I am glad the season is over cause maybe now all this WHO DEY crap will end.[/QUOTE]

Lifetime fan means they've watched an occasional game throughout the course of their lives, the word you're thinking of is lifetime fanatic.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Wait, correct me if i'm wrong but isn't the last time a Colts fan can gloat was in January 17,1971?[/QUOTE]

They don't need to win a Superbowl in order for me to gloat. Hell, Bengals fans have been gloating all fucking year about WHO DEY and THIS IS OUR YEAR. All you need to do is have one good week to gloat.
 
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