Seahawks Rule! AKA Official NFL Discussion Thread #3

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[quote name='thingsfallnapart']Did he ever have one to lose?[/QUOTE]

Apparently not. I wish he never was a Hokie now. What an asshole he is.

He didn't do himself any favors for the draft, that's for damn sure.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Apparently not. I wish he never was a Hokie now. What an asshole he is.

He didn't do himself any favors for the draft, that's for damn sure.[/QUOTE]

Smells like another Maurice Clarett situation.
 
Damn, talk about getting NO love whatsoever.

Every talking head on NFL.com, really anyone who can get in front of a camera and microphone, is enthusing about how Carolina is going to absolutely wallop the Bears this weekend.

Is it so cut-and-dried? Everyone says Steve Smith is such a gamechanging player, but if memory serves he was the ONLY Panther to have any sort of effective game when they got drubbed by the Bears back in November. He can't do it alone; I'll gladly let him have a banner day if we can shut down everyone else on the squad like we did before.

Yeah, yeah, "that was a different team." I've heard it before, and it was no more valid then. Is my fandom blinding me to some universal fact that everyone seems to have reached consensus on, that this game is over before it starts?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Because he hasn't been the same since he was knocked out in the Tennessee game two seasons back. He was a very good and capable quarterback but his effectiveness on the playing field ended that day.[/QUOTE]


I love the sig... go Steelers!
 
which Bengal fan put up this dandy sign...lmao

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[quote name='WittyNickname']Damn, talk about getting NO love whatsoever.

Every talking head on NFL.com, really anyone who can get in front of a camera and microphone, is enthusing about how Carolina is going to absolutely wallop the Bears this weekend.

Is it so cut-and-dried? Everyone says Steve Smith is such a gamechanging player, but if memory serves he was the ONLY Panther to have any sort of effective game when they got drubbed by the Bears back in November. He can't do it alone; I'll gladly let him have a banner day if we can shut down everyone else on the squad like we did before.

Yeah, yeah, "that was a different team." I've heard it before, and it was no more valid then. Is my fandom blinding me to some universal fact that everyone seems to have reached consensus on, that this game is over before it starts?[/QUOTE]

Nobody has any faith in Rex Grossman. He's one of the few "weaker" QBs left in the playoffs. As you've seen, teams with weak QBs usually go quickly (Leftwich, Eli Manning, Chris Simms, Kitna replacing Palmer). That's why nobody really has any faith in Washington or Chicago. And that's why its so much tougher for people to predict the AFC because all four remaining teams have outstanding QBs.
 
[quote name='DJSteel']Washington's QB has playoff experience... they just looked bad against the #1 defense in the league...[/QUOTE]

I said nothing about playoff experience. I said they're considered "weaker" QBs and nobody has faith in them, which is true.
 
[quote name='mmn']I said nothing about playoff experience. I said they're considered "weaker" QBs and nobody has faith in them, which is true.[/QUOTE]

I have faith in him.. I think both 1 vs 6 games will be better than the other 2 games.. and I think both 6 seed teams will win
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Smells like another Maurice Clarett situation.[/QUOTE]
thats exactly what i said at work today when we were discussing this
 
[quote name='mmn']Nobody has any faith in Rex Grossman. He's one of the few "weaker" QBs left in the playoffs. As you've seen, teams with weak QBs usually go quickly (Leftwich, Eli Manning, Chris Simms, Kitna replacing Palmer). That's why nobody really has any faith in Washington or Chicago. And that's why its so much tougher for people to predict the AFC because all four remaining teams have outstanding QBs.[/QUOTE]

What kinda statement is this crap? Chris Simms doesnt have the most talent around him. Hell he made one of the most beautiful passes ive seen in a while rite on that guy in the endzone who dropped it. Simms doesnt even have a line either. Tampas line is "average" they are really bad against decent and above pass rushes, but put them against a team who can bring it with the front four, and you got the result you saw on saturday. You can tell they have a poor line becuase Jon Gruden resorted to basically short passes with one deep shot.

Eli Manning..well the jury is out on him, im not sure if hes good or bad. I see more bad with him though, at this point.

Leftwhich is a strong arm quarterback on a team with a limited passing game too.

Whatever you use to grade your quarterbacks as weak or strong, id like to know. If you were grading passing games and offenses i could understand better.
 
Thank you, Carson Palmer for getting your ACL torn so that Jake Plummer gets into the Pro Bowl for having the best year of his career. :) That is all.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Thank you, Carson Palmer for getting your ACL torn so that Jake Plummer gets into the Pro Bowl for having the best year of his career. :) That is all.[/QUOTE]

I would've taken Brees over Plummer. Plummer had a very good year but I mean, cmon Manning, then Brady who threw for 4k, and Carson who had the highest passer rating.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']I would've taken Brees over Plummer. Plummer had a very good year but I mean, cmon Manning, then Brady who threw for 4k, and Carson who had the highest passer rating.[/QUOTE]

33% more TD's, 100% more INT's, 67% less rushing yards, 200 more yards passing, no playoffs, and a fucked up shoulder = Hell no for Brees.

I'm not dissing the others that were voted in, as they had great years, but I'm glad that Plummer is now in as the result of an injury to Palmer.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']33% more TD's, 100% more INT's, 67% less rushing yards, 200 more yards passing, no playoffs, and a fucked up shoulder = Hell no for Brees.

I'm not dissing the others that were voted in, as they had great years, but I'm glad that Plummer is now in as the result of an injury to Palmer.[/QUOTE]

I thought Trent Green should've got more recognition.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']I thought Trent Green should've got more recognition.[/QUOTE]
Doing well for one month or so isn't going to get a player into the Pro Bowl.*

*Not counting LJ, as he did well as the backup before starting.
 
[quote name='thingsfallnapart']What kinda statement is this crap?

Whatever you use to grade your quarterbacks as weak or strong, id like to know. If you were grading passing games and offenses i could understand better.[/QUOTE]

I use something called COMMON fuckING SENSE to grade quarterbacks.

Eli is in his second year and first full year as a starter. He needs more time. He'll be great - in a few years.

Same thing with Simms. This is what, his second year, maybe third? He's never started all 16 games in a season and needs more time to become a dominant quarterback.

Leftwich, to me, will never be a stud quarterback. Could be his arm strength, could be his durability, could be his lack of playmaking WRs who aren't 300 year old Jimmy Smith. The Jags aren't exactly known for their outstanding QB play.

And Grossman is an overrated fuck who has balsa wood for bones. I don't care HOW much potential the guy has, if he gets hurt every year (which he HAS) then he's worthless. At least Kyle Orton proved he could get through almost an entire season healthy - Grossman hasn't proved anything and he'll be exposed soon enough.

Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are future hall of fame quarterbacks. Plummer was inconsistant before this year, but he's proven he can carry a team. Big Ben has all of last years experience behind him and you know what he can do when they actually allow him to throw. Hasselbeck is a stud, has been for a couple years, and Jake Delhomme has been to the Superbowl before. That's why they are the STRONG QBs and Brunell and Grossman are the WEAK QBs. And I only consider Brunell "weak" because he's still got a bum left knee and is pushing 40.
 
Can we please get a moritorium on the terms "overrated" and "underrated"? Because no one is using them with validity, ever.

Rex Grossman is overrated? How is that even possible? I mean, assuming we ignore the sycophants on the Bears official website who seem to think he's the next incarnation of Jim McMahon, is there anyone on the planet who thinks he's more than just a kid with potential who's had some bad luck with injuries, at best?

How can he be overrated if he's barely "rated" at all?

The converse, of course, is when some idiot wants his vastly wealthy, team-anchoring superstar to garner more awards and ink from the sportswriters, so he makes some ridiculous statement that said athlete is "underrated."

Seriously? LaDainian Tomlinson is underrated? Jake Plummer is underrated? Steve Smith is underrated? The Entire Freaking New England Patriots Are Underrated?

WE. MUST. STOP. THIS.
 
[quote name='thingsfallnapart']He made the Pro Bowl, he got recognition, how can he be underated then?[/QUOTE]

Because, if this guy was on a good team he would talked about more than anyone in the league.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']him and boldin caught 100 balls a piece and no one has said anything about them. They are underrated[/QUOTE]

Live on the west coast its another deal, even in seattle i hear them talk about boldin and fitzie on the radio abit.
 
Joey Galloway got little recognition (at least on national level) for having such a great season IMO. He posted pro-bowl numbers, but he's had an unproven & average QB tossing him the ball each week, his wideout partner (clayton, the guy who was supposed to be so hot this year) turned in a dud of a performence week after week, he was healthy all year, and he's like 34 years old burning DBs who are a decade younger than him.
 
[quote name='thingsfallnapart']Live on the west coast its another deal, even in seattle i hear them talk about boldin and fitzie on the radio abit.[/QUOTE]

I live on the West Coast and they don't mention them at all.

BTW, DT your right BY shoulda gone. He switched positions from DT to DE and dominated.
 
[quote name='WittyNickname']Rex Grossman is overrated? How is that even possible? I mean, assuming we ignore the sycophants on the Bears official website who seem to think he's the next incarnation of Jim McMahon, is there anyone on the planet who thinks he's more than just a kid with potential who's had some bad luck with injuries, at best?[/QUOTE]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dw-bears010406&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

That guy basically says Grossman is a guy who has "energized the offense" and can win a Superbowl.

That's overrated considering we've seen Grossman play in, what, 3 games?

There are other articles I can link you to, if you'd like.
 
[quote name='mmn']http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dw-bears010406&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

That guy basically says Grossman is a guy who has "energized the offense" and can win a Superbowl.

That's overrated considering we've seen Grossman play in, what, 3 games?

There are other articles I can link you to, if you'd like.[/QUOTE]

He does energize the offense..meaning they play better with him behind center because he can stretch the field. he might not be able to carry a team on his back and win the superbowl single handly, but behind that bears D i believe at the qb position he could certainly help it along.
 
[quote name='thingsfallnapart']im ready for the seahawks season in review wrap up tonight![/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, but you're going to have to wait till mid-late February for the Super Bowl XL DVD box set to be released.
 
[quote name='Quillion']I'm sorry, but you're going to have to wait till mid-late February for the Super Bowl XL DVD box set to be released.[/QUOTE]

haha ya ok, im a seahawk fan, and a realist....they were barely getting by 4-12 and 2-14 teams. They bearly beat winning teams when they played them. 1 and out.
 
[quote name='thingsfallnapart']He does energize the offense..meaning they play better with him behind center because he can stretch the field. he might not be able to carry a team on his back and win the superbowl single handly, but behind that bears D i believe at the qb position he could certainly help it along.[/QUOTE]

He stretches the field? Really? And you've learned this when, in the 3 games he's played in?

NOBODY KNOWS what this kid can do. The only thing anyone is sure of is that he gets hurt. A lot.

Right now you're assuming they play better with him behind center. And you'll either be really right or really wrong after tomorrow night.
 
[quote name='mmn']He stretches the field? Really? And you've learned this when, in the 3 games he's played in?

NOBODY KNOWS what this kid can do. The only thing anyone is sure of is that he gets hurt. A lot.

Right now you're assuming they play better with him behind center. And you'll either be really right or really wrong after tomorrow night.[/QUOTE]

Yes you can tell in 3 games the quality of a quarterback. Obviously lovie smith trusts him to throw deep balls more then kyle orton. Orton didnt stretch the field at all, and the running game for the bears was starting to struggle. Ever since Grossman came back, the running game has come back quite a bit. Wouldnt you trust the opinion of an NFL head coach? He has the job for a reason.

I believe if grossman wasnt a better QB, Lovie Smith would of waited for the bears to go on a losing streak before turning over. But he didnt wait.
 
Washington at Seattle
New England at Denver
Pittsburg at Indianapolis
Carolina at Chicago

Who are you guys going for?
 
[quote name='thingsfallnapart']games over for the hawks, when you give away turnovers and dont let the other team force em, forget it.[/QUOTE]

on another note, i kinda saw this starting with alexander at green bay. When he gets excited he seems to fumble too much. He really didnt fumble all year...but now when it counts...
 
My favorite team versus my second? For the first time ever(in the playoffs). This sucks. Go Redskins.
edit: God, how many three and outs are there going to be
 
can the seahawks look any worse tho? theyve fumbled three times.

But on another note, great camera angles FOX, the skins have been holding on special teams punts and on the offense end and have been geting away with it.
 
Everyone was pumping the Seahawks up all week, but now when they play a good defense finally their overrated offense is shown. The Redskins can't do anything either, but "Most explosive offense in the NFC" my ass, and now that Alexander is out they're offense is going to suck even more. The spread is huge on this game too, but the Seahawks can't seem to get anything going now that they aren't playing the 49ers, Texans, Rams, or Cardinals.
 
[quote name='bil4ltool']Everyone was pumping the Seahawks up all week, but now when they play a good defense finally their overrated offense is shown. The Redskins can't do anything either, but "Most explosive offense in the NFC" my ass, and now that Alexander is out they're offense is going to suck even more. The spread is huge on this game too, but the Seahawks can't seem to get anything going now that they aren't playing the 49ers, Texans, Rams, or Cardinals.[/QUOTE]

LOL another fumble.
 
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