so why exactly is MS still charging us $50 a year for live? [enough arguing]

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[quote name='KaneRobot']Because if you just want to jump into a quick game without trying to round up friends, you're often greeted with these morons. It's a valid point to make when discussing the service.

However, it is definitely NOT something exclusive to XBox Live. Someone can't say "you don't experience that on PS3/PC/whatever." There are idiots everywhere.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. So someone saying "Xbox sucks dick because of those immature kids!" isn't a valid argument, because the same shit is found on any other online service with voice chat.

[quote name='Serpentor']The question in discussion is, should you pay to play on-line? AND for the billionth time, the other Live features are not in question here. If you pay Live just for Netflix and demo before Silver member, then that's your problem. Most people pay Live to play on-line.[/quote]
That's not how it works. You don't get to take a service that offers 5 things and discount 4 of them. It's really fucking idiotic to say "Hey, ignore every single thing Gold members receive except online play. NOW do you see how overpriced it is? You're welcome."
 
It's understandable that streaming netflix is important, but it's not like the 360 is the only thing that can do it. You could get a Roku for $100, and have both netflix and amazon vod.

The online service is better than the PSN, i'll give it that, but the price tag they decide to put on it seems a bit too much. Yes, you can pay $30, but that's not their standard price.

And since everyone is comparing it to the PSN, one of its major things seems to be game sharing. I saw someone mention the deal of the week on XBL. But with game sharing, if my two friends and I decide we want Wipeout HD, we'll just end up splitting the cost. If we had to do it on the 360, each of us would have to pay. On a free service, that's still saving even more money.
 
[quote name='Malik112099']The online portion of any XBL game is infinite. As long as there is a 360 and an internet connection you will always be able to play. On PSN the lifespan of the game = how long the game developers feel like paying to keep servers up and running.[/QUOTE]

So much misinformation. PSN Games have the OPTION of servers from sony. Every game is P2P and some have OPTIONAL servers hosted by sony themselves (which btw, run on networked PS3s, not pc's). So just like live, anyone with a ps3, a internet connection and copies of the game can play forever.
 
[quote name='Rocko']
That's not how it works. You don't get to take a service that offers 5 things and discount 4 of them. It's really fucking idiotic to say "Hey, ignore every single thing Gold members receive except online play. NOW do you see how overpriced it is? You're welcome."[/QUOTE]

Yep, the only reasonable statement to make would be something like:

"I don't care about the extra features, so it's not worth it for me to pay for Xbox Live."

Not to try and discount them like they aren't of value to other's and make the service worth their money.
 
[quote name='Interfeci']It's understandable that streaming netflix is important, but it's not like the 360 is the only thing that can do it. You could get a Roku for $100, and have both netflix and amazon vod.
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Sure, but it's much more convenient to just have it on a device you already own, and not have to buy something else to cram into the crowded home theater and add to the mess of wires etc.--and I like having online gaming available etc. so it's a good deal for me.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Again, Netflix streaming.

Being a casual gamer, but HUGE movie watcher, that's worth it alone for me vs. hassling with buying a Netflix Box and finding room for it in my crowded TV stand.

For online gaming alone? Yeah, I probably wouldn't renew again as I just don't do it much. But they can have my $35 a year for the Netflix streaming.

But I'm also not a cheap ass (I just don't like paying much for games since my interest has shrunk along with my spare time) and $35 isn't much for me to worry over. I'd probably pay up to $5 or maybe even $10 a month for the Netflix streaming alone. And the online gaming which I use every once in a while is a nice bonus.

But I respect that it's not worth the cash to others.[/QUOTE]

Ok, if that's what you want but why buy a console just for movies? Can't that be done on PC? I'm the complete opposite, I can't stand movies. They're terrible. Haven't seen any since Matrix in theaters and Simpsons Movie on DVD (it was a gift). I got my 60 PS3 because of BC, I'll most likely never put a movie into it.

When I compare the services I go by gaming alone. I couldn't care less about the movies on PSN.
 
[quote name='Interfeci']It's understandable that streaming netflix is important, but it's not like the 360 is the only thing that can do it. You could get a Roku for $100, and have both netflix and amazon vod.[/QUOTE]
However, that $100 would pay for over three years of Xbox Live, if one enjoys gaming on the 360 as well as Netflix.
 
[quote name='DPsx7']Ok, if that's what you want but why buy a console just for movies? Can't that be done on PC? I'm the complete opposite, I can't stand movies. They're terrible. Haven't seen any since Matrix in theaters and Simpsons Movie on DVD (it was a gift). I got my 60 PS3 because of BC, I'll most likely never put a movie into it.
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I bought the console for games. But I'll keep paying for live even though I don't game online much anymore for the Netflix.

We aren't talking about why people bought the console, we're talking about why people pay for Live.

As for movies/vs games that's just to each their own. I love movies with a passion, and they'll always be my top hobby. Gaming I think I'm getting the point of pretty much being done with as I just don't enjoy it as much as I used to, so I really doubt I'll buy a console beyond the 360. So I'll have to find a blu ray player with netflix streaming or get a Netflix box or something (don't like hassling with hooking up PC to the TV).

I'd be miserable if I couldn't watch movies. I could give up gaming today without even flinching.
 
[quote name='flameofdoom666']No no... you have it all wrong. PS3 uses servers. Once the company does not want to pay to maintain the server, it gets shut off. Once shut off, the game cannot be played online, ever again.

Xbox AND Xbox 360 use a Peer 2 Peer connection. Basically, the system is the server. That was, games can always be played, forever, as long as someone else is on to play it with.[/QUOTE]

Read my post again idiot:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6175284&postcount=125
 
[quote name='DPsx7']No matter how many times you reason with them the Xbot kiddies will invent a new excuse. There is nothing on Live that isn't done better on another system, not a thing. If you like throwing away money every year that's your own problem. But as far as the services are concerned it's fanboyism and greed costing you that money. Or judging from 95% of the userbase, the children are using their parents money and don't know better.

Once the PS3 drops in price and people can't complain about that anymore (then buy one of course), the 360 is going to sink the rest of the way. All the best games are on PS3 or Wii and gamers are going to switch up to a more reliable console that adds no extra fees. Without friends or games Live will dry up and the 360 will be on the discount rack before long.

Not one of their complaints about Wii or PS3 are true. I've never had problems finding a game when I wanted to play. Lag is no more than expected from a long time PC gamer. Any chat features are quite adequate if you care to use a mic.[/QUOTE]

#-o
 
[quote name='blitz6speed']So much misinformation. PSN Games have the OPTION of servers from sony. Every game is P2P and some have OPTIONAL servers hosted by sony themselves (which btw, run on networked PS3s, not pc's). So just like live, anyone with a ps3, a internet connection and copies of the game can play forever.[/QUOTE]

Show me proof of this. From what I have read, Sony uses the same type of online that was implemented with the PS2. If that is true, then each game requires servers.
 
[quote name='flameofdoom666']From what I have read, Sony uses the same type of online that was implemented with the PS2.[/QUOTE]

Where'd you read that? Got a link?
 
[quote name='flameofdoom666']Show me proof of this. From what I have read, Sony uses the same type of online that was implemented with the PS2. If that is true, then each game requires servers.[/QUOTE]

Do you have a PS3? If not, then STFU about things you do not know about. I have a ps3, 360, wii, ds lite, psp, so i can speak from experience about how their online systems function and dont take the word of some idiot spouting out dumb lies about why live is superior about everything. The proof is the games themselves, go online with a ps3 and check. Games with dedicated servers are listed as such, the rest are all host names of the people playing, identical to live, cept the tiny difference of it being free.
 
[quote name='DPsx7']All the best games are on PS3 or Wii [/QUOTE]

You can't really be talking about other people being fanboys when you make that kind of statement. That's just stupid.
 
The most entertaining part of this thread is reading a post and then looking left to see what systems said member plays on.
 
[quote name='distgfx']Dudes! We all know Xbox Live is totally worth the $50 because it's the best online service EVAR! Oh wait, I mean $30 cause I look for 'dem deals. PSN suuuuucks, it has lag n' shit. It's soooo barebones, I have no problem paying for the superior service!

lol[/QUOTE]
I think we have justified the cost in a reasonably calm and intelligent manner. We happen to find value in LIVE for what we pay. Of course, yourself and others may not find personal value in the service like we do. That's OK, no one is in the wrong here.

I'll continue paying my $2.50 a month for a service I like. You will continue paying nothing for a service you like. Everyone wins!
 
[quote name='QiG']The most entertaining part of this thread is reading a post and then looking left to see what systems said member plays on.[/QUOTE]

I think it's more entertaining to imagine some lonely guy sitting at home attempting to play XBL with randoms expecting a positive experience.
 
[quote name='QiG']The most entertaining part of this thread is reading a post and then looking left to see what systems said member plays on.[/QUOTE]

One shouldn't make assumptions from that. Neither my Wii code or PSN id is listed. Although I do like going into someones gamer history via XBL gamer tag to see what they played, how often and how long (as much as you can tell from gs anyway).
 
I think silver should include basic online play and ingame chat like the PSN, gold with all its features should be a premium service. We pay $60 for a game that features online and in some cases a game is all about online (COD) and then have to shell out more money to take advantage of this feature, its part of the game and MS forces people to pay twice to use it. I think if Sony adds some of the better features of XBL they will offer it as a premium service but keep the basic online play free to users.
 
for everyone saying xbl is well worth it, you are already paying your isp for it, so your basically paying for online twice
 
[quote name='MiNuN']because their servers are awesome[/QUOTE]

as someone else mentioned earlier, there is no severs, its p2p
 
[quote name='jkanownik']I think it's more entertaining to imagine some lonely guy sitting at home attempting to play XBL with randoms expecting a positive experience.[/QUOTE]

:booty:Whatever gets your rocks off
 
[quote name='gindias']I think silver should include basic online play and ingame chat like the PSN, gold with all its features should be a premium service. We pay $60 for a game that features online and in some cases a game is all about online (COD) and then have to shell out more money to take advantage of this feature, its part of the game and MS forces people to pay twice to use it. I think if Sony adds some of the better features of XBL they will offer it as a premium service but keep the basic online play free to users.[/QUOTE]
That's what i'm trying to point out, i'm glad at least someone agree on this... See, i don't understand why MS even bother to create the Silver membership status, there's basically nothing for them at all (maybe just another name for expired Gold membership).
 
Silver exists just so they can sell stuff on the Marketplace. And to at least make achievements, demos etc. accessible to everyone
 
[quote name='wwe101']for everyone saying xbl is well worth it, you are already paying your isp for it, so your basically paying for online twice[/QUOTE]

I'm paying my ISP for internet access.

I'm paying Microsoft for Netflix, online gaming on their service, and features like cross game invites, the party system, demos a little early and so on.

So it's not just paying for online again, it's paying for access to a service online. Not much different that various websites that have subscription fees.

Again, it's up to each individual to decide if its worth paying the $30-50 themselves. I have no problem with it personally. It's pocket change and I love the Netflix streaming and having online gaming on the network my real life friends play on available when I need it. Would I rather it be free? Of course. But I don't complain about it because I feel I get my money's worth out of it.
 
[quote name='Rocko']

That's not how it works. You don't get to take a service that offers 5 things and discount 4 of them. It's really fucking idiotic to say "Hey, ignore every single thing Gold members receive except online play. NOW do you see how overpriced it is? You're welcome."[/QUOTE]

Duh, that's not how it works and that's why it sucks to be Silver. As to what's in bold, you said it, not me... All i want to say is, MS should give Silver the basic on-line play. I didn't say it was over priced or anything, i'm just saying, i already pay for the Xbox and internet service, i don't want to pay on-line gaming especially in a P2P network.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Silver exists just so they can sell stuff on the Marketplace. And to at least make achievements, demos etc. accessible to everyone[/QUOTE]

If they charge money for achievements, that's the last straw... Glad that's free at least. Again, what piss me off to no end is that even downloading regular demos, Silvers are discriminated. For goodness sake, it's a freaking demo! They should pay me for playing demos instead of using that lame tactics to get you upgraded to Gold.

"Sorry, the demo is available for Gold members only at this time, please check back the next couple days. You can access this feature instantly if you upgrade to Gold."

If you ever get this msg (not exact words) when downloading a demo, you'll be pissed too.
 
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[quote name='dmaul1114']
Again, it's up to each individual to decide if its worth paying the $30-50 themselves. I have no problem with it personally. It's pocket change and I love the Netflix streaming and having online gaming on the network my real life friends play on available when I need it. Would I rather it be free? Of course. But I don't complain about it because I feel I get my money's worth out of it.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's correct. For me, i take free PSN over $20 a year XBL any day. The $20 can get you 10 PSN games (and you can still play on-line).
 
[quote name='Serpentor']The $20 can get you 10 PSN games (and you can still play on-line).[/QUOTE]


What PSN games are $2? The cheapest games on PSN are $5 and they're the same games you can get on Xbox Live.
 
Why is the cable company still charging me for their service? I mean, I can get some channels with poor signal for free. Sure there are extra features like program guides and DVR, but with all money I save, I can definitely buy like two extra DVDs a month and I'm still watching my TV!
 
[quote name='Maklershed']What PSN games are $2? The cheapest games on PSN are $5 and they're the same games you can get on Xbox Live.[/QUOTE]

Gamesharing. Look it up. Allows five people to split the cost of any PSN content. Plus, it's been approved by Sony, so there's no problem in doing it. One of the big reasons I've spent more money on PSN content than on XBL content.
 
[quote name='Serpentor']Yes, that's correct. For me, i take free PSN over $20 a year XBL any day. The $20 can get you 10 PSN games (and you can still play on-line).[/QUOTE]

Question for you:

Would you take free PSN over $1 LIVE?

I just made up a price for LIVE, something you seem fond of.
 
[quote name='st0neface']Why is the cable company still charging me for their service? I mean, I can get some channels with poor signal for free. Sure there are extra features like program guides and DVR, but with all money I save, I can definitely buy like two extra DVDs a month and I'm still watching my TV![/QUOTE]


thats totally different, your paying for a service that you dont already have with cable, but with live you already have the internet connection to play the game and are being charged to play online which costs them nothing.

ohh and who still has cable? dish man, get with the times
 
El Presador up in here.

[quote name='wwe101']who still has cable? dish man, get with the times[/QUOTE]
Fiber > Cable > OTA-HD> Hulu on dial-up >Dish
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Silver exists just so they can sell stuff on the Marketplace. And to at least make achievements, demos etc. accessible to everyone[/QUOTE]


Bingo.

Microsoft is not going to charge you to buy things. The marketplace is why Silver exists.
 
[quote name='manthing']Question for you:

Would you take free PSN over $1 LIVE?

I just made up a price for LIVE, something you seem fond of.[/QUOTE]


$1 Live? Of course! Even it's $1 a month, just on-line gaming and nothing else.

Edit: oh, i didn't make up the price of the XBL, it was posted all over the place, you know, nobody pays $50, whoever pays $50 for a year is lazy and stupid. So, i figure some people scored $20 yearly XBL cards (it's CAG you know, if i said $30, someone going to say, i got it for $20 etc...)
 
[quote name='whoknows']But that's like $12 a year...or 12 things off the dollar menu at McDonalds for my fat face.[/QUOTE]
Or 12k PSN games.
 
[quote name='Puffa469']Bingo.

Microsoft is not going to charge you to buy things. The marketplace is why Silver exists.[/QUOTE]

See, i have problem with Battlefield 1942... As a Silver member, i don't see why the purchasing option for that game is available to me. Shouldn't MS put out a msg saying "sorry, Silver members can't purchase this game, you'll need Gold status to play it." I don't think so... Sneaky eh?
 
[quote name='whoknows']But that's like $12 a year...or 12 things off the dollar menu at McDonalds for my fat face.[/QUOTE]

But but but... who buys $12 XBL cards! You must be lazy and stupid! Look around and you'll see $6 ones... So not CAG!
 
[quote name='Serpentor']Yes, that's correct. For me, i take free PSN over $20 a year XBL any day. The $20 can get you 10 PSN games (and you can still play on-line).[/QUOTE]

Which is all fine and dandy.

Just no reason to be so antagonistic toward people who think it's a good value. I hardly buy any games, just get a handful a year off Goozex, so I'm fine paying $35 for Live to play a few games online a year and for the Netflix which I use several times a week. It's pocket change to me and I get a lot of use and convenience out of it so it's a great deal for me.

But I can see why people who just want to game online and don't care about parties, cross game invites etc., nor about the other non-gaming features, wouldn't feel it was worth it for them.
 
[quote name='Serpentor']As to what's in bold, you said it, not me...[/QUOTE]
What in the fuck is wrong with you?

[quote name='Serpentor']The question in discussion is, should you pay to play on-line? AND for the billionth time, the other Live features are not in question here. If you pay Live just for Netflix and demo before Silver member, then that's your problem. Most people pay Live to play on-line.[/QUOTE]

There's no way you can't read the above paragraph and see that the sentence you bolded and chose to deny is not the essence of the above paragraph.

[quote name='Serpentor']But but but... who buys $12 XBL cards! You must be lazy and stupid! Look around and you'll see $6 ones... So not CAG![/QUOTE]
It's also ridiculous that you act as though the attitude that XBL can be found for less than $30 is outlandish. Mocking it doesn't make it any less true.

So, seriously, did Xbox Live kill your mother, or what?
 
How the fuck is this thread still open? I don't get it.

I also don't understand why people are so concerned with what service and console other people they don't have any contact with, other than a forum, use or pay for. I've got both Live and PSN, and I use both, and I like Live better, paid or not. It's got better integration.
 
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[quote name='dmaul1114']Which is all fine and dandy.

Just no reason to be so antagonistic toward people who think it's a good value. I hardly buy any games, just get a handful a year off Goozex, so I'm fine paying $35 for Live to play a few games online a year and for the Netflix which I use several times a week. It's pocket change to me and I get a lot of use and convenience out of it so it's a great deal for me.

But I can see why people who just want to game online and don't care about parties, cross game invites etc., nor about the other non-gaming features, wouldn't feel it was worth it for them.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I also find value in LIVE, hence why I and many others pay for it. I just don't get why certain people find it necessary to bitch and moan about what other people do with their own money.
 
[quote name='Rocko']What in the fuck is wrong with you?



There's no way you can't read the above paragraph and see that the sentence you bolded and chose to deny is not the essence of the above paragraph.


It's also ridiculous that you act as though the attitude that XBL can be found for less than $30 is outlandish. Mocking it doesn't make it any less true.

So, seriously, did Xbox Live kill your mother, or what?[/QUOTE]

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