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Sonic Special Moves!

Spring Jump!
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And his up special move is the Spring Jump. That spring launches you wayyy up in the air.
You might not use it on the ground much, but rumor has it that if you do, the spring that remains can be used by other characters.
 
Im expecting a fireball eqsue move but with rings. How could you have a Sonic anything without rings?!

I for one hope this game is delayed till mid/late January. I can't afford to take time off school to play this. Plus I still need to buy a Wii. I don't want a Wii till I get a new TV too. So buy TV in Christmas sale, buy Wii post Christmas... just in time for smash!
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']I doubt it will make it's December 3ed US release date. There's really no good reason Nintendo would wait 2 months after the US release date to release Smash in Japan.
Also, the fact that the US release date was changed to TBA on the official site after the Japanese delay was announced pretty much implies that the US release is being pushed back.[/QUOTE]
Well, yes, that is suspicious. But Nintendo's own games have come out in the US first before Japan, such as Mario and Luigi 2 for the DS (I believe) and some other examples I can't think of. Mario Party 8 I believe as well.
 
[quote name='Friend of Sonic']Well, yes, that is suspicious. But Nintendo's own games have come out in the US first before Japan, such as Mario and Luigi 2 for the DS (I believe) and some other examples I can't think of. Mario Party 8 I believe as well.[/quote]super paper mario and metroid prime 3 as well
 
[quote name='Strell']I guess tomorrow's update = Final Smash for Sonic.[/QUOTE]
I say it will be Sonic's stage. Green Hills Zone, hopefully with a loop.
 
Or maybe a level based on the Pinball style stages like from Sonic 2, with bumpers that bounce everyone around. :)
 
Alright I did predict that Sonic's Up-B would not be spring jump. I was wrong. Bah.

[quote name='BattleChicken']When did they start calling Doctor Robotnik Doctor Eggman? or is it a localization thing they eventually changed back..?[/quote]it is a localization thing but they never changed it back. It's eggman permanantly now, and it's a stupid name that I refuse to use.

[quote name='DQT']Does anyone feel that Nintendo should have kept Sonic a secret until the game shipped? I thought that for DOA 4, Bungie really blew an opportunity to surprise the hell out of everyone by announcing Nicole was going to be in the game before the game came out. This news still has me really excited though.[/quote]I'm not saying they should have.. but I expected them to do that, but more importantly? DOA4? Bungie? Nicole? what the heck are you talking about?

[quote name='option.iv']I wonder what neutral b will be? Maybe the Sonic Shield? Anyone remember that move?[/quote]The Sonic Shield would probably be his 'shield' like Yoshi had his egg.

[quote name='option.iv']Hmm, in Melee, I don't believe any of the a attacks generated a radical change of direction. Meh.[/quote] I have news for you Dorothy. We're not in Melee anymore. [insert evil laughter here]

[quote name='Strell']I guess tomorrow's update = Final Smash for Sonic.[/quote]your sarcasm is noted. in all seriousness I doubt it. They did a major Snake update w/o revealing his FS. They'll probably save Sonic's as well.
 
[quote name='Wolfkin']
your sarcasm is noted. in all seriousness I doubt it. They did a major Snake update w/o revealing his FS. They'll probably save Sonic's as well.[/QUOTE]

It's sarcasm because I hunger for new information, not stuff that I can safely gleam from already-released videos.

Sakurai has a habit of revealing something in a video, and then almost immediately using it as an update on the site.

Having seen Sonic going Super Sayain, I imagine he's FS is next on the list. Or, at least, not far down on it.
 
[quote name='Strell']It's sarcasm because I hunger for new information, not stuff that I can safely gleam from already-released videos.[/quote]I openly admit a lot of the time I think you're a bit of a dick, but in this case I was agreeing with you sorry if it came out otherwise.

Hey another thought just occured to me. I've read like 4-5 articles about how nintendo just announced online play for Smash. Am I missing something or wasn't this already announced Sept 18th?
 
They said something about co-op online play, supposedly.

That would be completely new, if it is indeed coming to pass. But I read somewhere that there was a chance it was mistranslated.

Online adventure mode would be sweet, like a thousand candy bars at once.

I actually lost a bet with a few people at another forum, mostly because I wanted someone to take up the bet with me about online not being in the game.

And since I'm a dick, fuck you.

:)
 
[quote name='Gameboy415']I'm honestly stumped as to how they can POSSIBLY top this update.

It's just not possible![/quote]

Two words: Hot Coffee.
 
Bah.

Bah bah bah.

Bah.

I am curious as to what is causing the delay. Sakurai did write yesterday that "I hope I can get everything done on time" or something to that effect in regards to Sonic.

Blah.
 
Feb. 10? Why, that's just in time for President's Day!

That is actually a work holiday for me, so this shit cloud does have a bit of a silver lining.
 
Shaq-Fu! Shaq-Fu! Shaq-Fu! Shaq-Fu!

February 10!? That's bullshit. Damnit, why the hell did we have to get Sonic the Hedgehog? If we didn't get him, we'd have it December 3.

Oh, is Wii Fit coming out December 3 now? I presume yes. If so, I blame Wii Fit.
 
[quote name='lanleague']February 10th?

I'm selling my Wii for a 360. This is crap.[/QUOTE]


I'm leaning toward it more and more. That leaves only Mario Galaxy for me for 2007. And really only Smash Bros out of the few 2008 games is a must buy type game for me right now.

Guess I'll just play and beat Mario, and decide then. Probably will sell for a 360 if Wiis are going over retail on Craig's list in Late nov/early dec.
 
9:56 a.m.: Looks like the gameplay demonstrations are at an end and thus, so is this live blog. Look out for Smash Bros. coverage later today, but you'll have to wait on the rest.

9:53: Playing to the backdrop of Twilight Princess' bridge. I hear a lot of "Pika! Pika!" Doesn't look good for old Boz, though. Eight seconds left. Five. Four. Three. Two One. End. Pikachu comes in last place. So very, very sad. 9:52 a.m.: After much procrastination, the match begins. Pikachu versus Pit versus Donkey Kong. Boz better win, or else...


9:51 a.m.: Boz chooses Pikachu. He's playing Chris Kohler from Wired. Whoever wins, the audience loses. 9:49 a.m.: They just asked for volunteers and I politely volunteered Bozon. I also told him that if he didn't win, he's fired.
9:47 a.m.: Link and Sonic are now fighting in the Star Fox level. Wow. The ship is flying through wormholes as you battle. Other craft soar by in the foreground and background. Extremely gorgeous. So clean and amazingly fast with detailed particle effects exploding in every direction. The game is going to be an addiction, plain and simple. Sonic becomes Super Sonic, "which basically means he can just fly around and pummel me at will," explains Nintendo rep.
9:46 a.m.: Wii remote held classically simplifies the controls. Move with the D-Pad. Shield attack is mapped to the B-trigger, which takes the most getting used to.


9:44 a.m.: Match is up and running with very little (maybe no) load times. Game is running 60 frames per second and full 480p widescreen. Looks really crisp, clean, sharp. Smash Balls randomly appear on-screen. They'll float around and you'll have to pound on them for awhile before they release their special abilities. This is demonstrated as Samus and Mario duke it out. Samus gains her special ability and blasts Mario with a super shot that fills the entire screen. Afterward, Aran turns into Zero Suit Samus.

9:42 a.m.: For the purposes of today's demoes, matches will be set to two-minute timers with items turned on. Using classic controller, you'll use the analog stick to move. D-Pad to taunt. 9:41 a.m.: Demonstration ends. Now, Nintendo is booting up Super Smash Bros. Brawl. We see a character screen with Mario, Donkey Kong, Link, Samus, Fox, Pikachu, Diddy Kong, Pit, Meta Knight, Ike, Peach, Yoshi, Sonic, Bowser and a random button. Nintendo talks about the four different control schemes, which are fully customizable.
9:38 a.m.: In another type of gameplay style, you actually move Link through the levels with the nunchuk's analog stick and aim normally with the Zapper. You have full freedom of movement and can walk into any direction. Meanwhile, you can zoom in and pick off enemies from a distance, shoot boxes for upgrades, etc. When you shoot something other than an enemy, you still keep your multiplier. Again, color me pleasantly surprised.


9:37 a.m.: In Stalfos Defender, you see Link in the foreground as Stalfos approach nearby. You have to shoot as many of them as you can. You can turn the screen by dragging the on-screen reticule to the left or right. Very satisfying effect as you blow the enemies apart. For a $19.99 pack-in, this is pretty impressive stuff. Indeed, looks much more fun than Umbrella Chronicles, as far as I'm concerned. 9:34 a.m.: Boots Zelda Crossbow Training. Holding Wii Zapper in both hands, Nintendo rep is ready to rock. Three different types of gameplay. Score attack. Multiplayer, etc. First stage is Ordon Target Practice. You merely shoot the targets as they pop up. Nunchuk's z-trigger is a zoom function. The premise may not make the most sense in the world -- Link isn't exactly known for his crossbow -- but whatever, this still looks pretty cool. Running on Twilight Princess engine with an identical visual style. Targets pop up around the lush green environment. You can shoot signs and pumpkins when you're not crowssbowing targets. You can also shoot chickens, but you'll take a point loss. D'oh!

9:31 a.m.: Shows us bonus mission. Loopdeloop Galaxy. You unlock this secret galaxy, apparently. This is a surfing challenge. Seen in previously released NCL videos. You ride a manta ray down a watery pathway, bouncing up and down as you go. Seems to have a good sense of realistic physics. Reminds me a bit of Wave Race, actually. Potential for some big jumps and air. Looks like a great deal of fun.
9:30 a.m.: Like Mario 64, you'll be able to play missions over and over again, but the stars will be grayed out.
9:29 a.m.: As always, Mario Galaxy looks crisp and clean. This is the prettiest game on Wii to date, no doubt. Gameplay mechanics seem to be very well thought out and clever. Nintendo rep is currently fighting a mandibug boss and Mario must swing up dandelions to propel himself into the air and them butt-stomp onto the mandibug.
9:27 a.m.: "Constant sense of wonder as you're wandering around. You really just don't know what you're going to see next."
9:23 a.m.: Nintendo selects the Honeyhive Galaxy and the Big Bad Bugaboom sub-level. The bees have been taken over by these creatures called mandibugs. You have to don the Mario Bee Suit to fly and deal with the problem.
9:22 a.m.: Nintendo boots up Super Mario Galaxy. Looks like you can store at least six save files. Game is "basically" in its retail form.


There is a cosmic observatory, which acts as your hub world. Similar to the castle in Super Mario 64. Looks very nice. Same hub we've seen in the previous official trailer. Nintendo takes Mario into a terrace, where multiple different galaxies can be selected. "As you get more and more stars, you will be able to illuminate more of the areas and be able to access them." 9:21 a.m.: About an hour of live demonstrations coming. Then we'll be able to play games today and tomorrow. Looks like Super Mario Galaxy demonstration is going to begin.
9:20 a.m.: "Best game coming for the holiday is Super Mario Galaxy." Can't really argue with that.
9:19 a.m.: Wii library will see 86 new releases this holiday compared to 47 for Xbox 360 and 38 for PlayStation 3.
9:17 a.m.: Been making more Wii systems. Demand continues to surprise Nintendo. Consumers will still have to "hustle" to find the system this year. Will have about two times the product they had last year.
9:16 a.m.: Smash Bros. will have full Wi-Fi multiplayer capabilities. Lots of new levels and many new characters, including Sonic the Hedgehog. A "unique way of sharing between users, even online," according to Iwata -- this relates to some user-created content for the WI-Fi service in relation to Smash Bros., sounds like.
9:15 a.m.: Talking about Smash Bros. delay. Smash Bros. delayed officially here in the US until Sunday, Feb. 10!


9:14 a.m.: NOA's George Harrison takes the podium. He's going to give us an update, he says. We get to play for the "first time" Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Link's Crossbow Training, Battalion Wars 2, Mario Party DS, Advance Wars 2 and Master of Illusion. We'll also get an updated look at Galaxy. 9:13 a.m.: We're a couple of minutes away. As an aside, Super Mario Galaxy is going to rule.
9:10 a.m.: Oh. I just got an update. Evidently I can live blog about everything we see here. I just can't post official hands-on impressions until Monday. Weird, but I'll take it. With that in mind, here's the schedule: At 9:15, Super Mario Galaxy demonstration. At 9:30, Link's Crossbow Training demonstration. At 9:45, Smash Bros. demonstration. At 10:00 a.m., open gameplay. At 12:30, lunch. And then more open gameplay for the remainder of the day, methinks. Everything except Smash Bros. Brawl will go live on Monday, media included, I presume.


9:08 a.m.: Our video crew is setting up. We just got an embargo sheet. Looks like there definitely will be a Brawl demonstration starting at about 9:45 a.m. There are other demonstrations, too, but because of the embargo, I'm not entirely sure that I can mention them. Also, I'm getting the impression that Nintendo will be blasting the wire with news in the next hour and a half, if not earlier. Brawl delay? Pure speculation at this point. Maybe it'll be just the opposite. Like I said, I'm still a little out of it. 9:03 a.m.: Bozon has returned from doing absolutely nothing. Hurray! Good for you, Bozon.
9:02 a.m.: Evidently we're only able to film a combined five minutes of gameplay footage for each game. However, we will also be able to film gameplay demonstrations in full. Of course, you should note that we can only post Brawl stuff today. The rest will have to wait until next week. I apologize in advance, but don't shoot the messenger.
8:53 a.m.: Still sitting here and wondering where the hell my editors are. I think Bozon has moved beyond cookies and to full-blown breakfast. Do these people realize a major event is about to start?
8:52 a.m.: There is still some confusion about what I can and can't write about, and what we'll be able to show you in video and screenshots. Apparently, everything except for Super Smash Bros. Brawl coverage will be under embargo until Monday. But we will, according to what I've heard, be able to film a Brawl presentation and write in detail about the fighter today, which sounds fantastic.
8:49 a.m.: I'm sitting in the front row, waiting for this sucker to kick off. Editors Craig Harris and Mark Bozon are eating cookies. We've all gathered on the thirty-second floor of a major San Francisco hotel to see updated looks at major "Q4" games. This includes Wii and DS software, of course. It should be pretty exciting. I'm just back from New York, where I've been out of reach for the last week-plus, but even I had a chance to see the announcements from Japan yesterday and I'm sure similarly interesting unveilings will be mirrored here in our side of the sea.
 
What the hell? Ok Feb 10 sucks big time and I'll be waving my arm at the sky, cursing loudly later.
However, it's ONLY 2 months. Yes that now leaves us 4 months instead of 2..but at least it's still coming out! This talk about selling your system is pretty stupid IMO. So what if you get Mario in Nov and then get Smash in Feb? If there were only a few games on the system that you want..then you should wait for them to come out OR not even get the system.

Ugh.
 
[quote name='lilboo']What the hell? Ok Feb 10 sucks big time and I'll be waving my arm at the sky, cursing loudly later.
However, it's ONLY 2 months. Yes that now leaves us 4 months instead of 2..but at least it's still coming out! This talk about selling your system is pretty stupid IMO. So what if you get Mario in Nov and then get Smash in Feb? If there were only a few games on the system that you want..then you should wait for them to come out OR not even get the system.
[/QUOTE]

Well, I was already considering selling it after Smash Bros as is.

And yes, in hindsight I shouldn't have bought it. I learned my less finally, and will never buy a console at launch, and will wait until at least the first price drop from now on to save some money and to make sure the system will have enough games that appeal to me.

Nintendo consoles have always got a lot of play from me, but the Wii just hasn't wowed me much yet aside from Zelda and Metroid Prime 3.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Well, I was already considering selling it after Smash Bros as is.

And yes, in hindsight I shouldn't have bought it. I learned my less finally, and will never buy a console at launch, and will wait until at least the first price drop from now on to save some money and to make sure the system will have enough games that appeal to me.

Nintendo consoles have always got a lot of play from me, but the Wii just hasn't wowed me much yet aside from Zelda and Metroid Prime 3.[/quote]
There is no 'after' Smash Bros...

Beyond that, since you've already decided to sell your console and Smash Bros is the last game you're interested in, why don't you head over to the 360 forum and leave us be. :)
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']There is no 'after' Smash Bros...
[/QUOTE]

All games grow old for me eventually. Probably only played the GC one for 2 months or so.

Beyond that, since you've already decided to sell your console and Smash Bros is the last game you're interested in, why don't you head over to the 360 forum and leave us be. :)

I've not decided for sure, and I'll never leave you all be as 99% of the point of posting on this site is to amuse myself by riling up the fanboys while bored at work. ;)
 
[quote name='lilboo']What the hell? Ok Feb 10 sucks big time and I'll be waving my arm at the sky, cursing loudly later.
However, it's ONLY 2 months. Yes that now leaves us 4 months instead of 2..but at least it's still coming out! This talk about selling your system is pretty stupid IMO. So what if you get Mario in Nov and then get Smash in Feb? If there were only a few games on the system that you want..then you should wait for them to come out OR not even get the system.

Ugh.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but we're getting the shaft from Nintendo. And when I saw "We' i mean gamers. Don't pretend that they're not ignoring us. The Wii has become the soccer mom console. Is Wii Fit coming out December 3rd? That wouldn't surprise me at all.

And really what's up with the Internet Play, Nintendo?
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']All games grow old for me eventually. Probably only played the GC one for 2 months or so.



I've not decided for sure, and I'll never leave you all be as 99% of the point of posting on this site is to amuse myself by riling up the fanboys while bored at work. ;)[/quote]

All I'm saying is that it's kind of loser-ish to be involved in something you have no passion in and can't get behind.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']All I'm saying is that it's kind of loser-ish to be involved in something you have no passion in and can't get behind.[/QUOTE]
Sexual innuendo?

Regardless, the delay is for marketing, not development. And to be completely honest, what does the Wii offer after Smash? Smash Replay?
 
[quote name='lanleague']Sexual innuendo?

Regardless, the delay is for marketing, not development. And to be completely honest, what does the Wii offer after Smash? Smash Replay?[/quote]
They haven't really announced much of anything for 2008, short of the delay for Brawl and Mario Kart.
 
[quote name='lanleague']And to be completely honest, what does the Wii offer after Smash? Smash Replay?[/quote]

Smash Wars. No really, I think you stepped into the wrong subforum
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']All I'm saying is that it's kind of loser-ish to be involved in something you have no passion in and can't get behind.[/QUOTE]

I have passion for games, and especially the big Nintendo games. Zelda and Metroid Prime 3 were great. Mario Galaxy looks phenomenal, and Smash Bros looks like a blast.

But that's it so far of what's been released or announced. There are a few other "might play" type of games, but no more sure fire personal AAA games.

So it's a matter of deciding to sell it after Mario, or holding it in hopes that the 2008 lineup shapes ups once more is revealed, rather than it being the "soccer mom" console as the other poster put it.

As you said, they haven't announced much, so I'm somewhat reluctant to sell it this fall.
 
[quote name='lanleague']Yeah, but we're getting the shaft from Nintendo. And when I saw "We' i mean gamers. Don't pretend that they're not ignoring us. The Wii has become the soccer mom console. Is Wii Fit coming out December 3rd? That wouldn't surprise me at all.

And really what's up with the Internet Play, Nintendo?[/quote]Oh good Lord. I'm sorry you missed the conference yesterday.

If this delay were for marketing, potentially the worst marketing decision ever. The only way it could be remotely justified from a marketing standpoint is if they assume their entire stock will sell out regardless of Smash this holiday season, a February release would give a decent hardware boost at the beginning of the post-holiday slow-down. But for the game itself? You never get more sales than a holiday season.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I have passion for games, and especially the big Nintendo games. Zelda and Metroid Prime 3 were great. Mario Galaxy looks phenomenal, and Smash Bros looks like a blast.

But that's it so far of what's been released or announced. There are a few other "might play" type of games, but no more sure fire personal AAA games.

So it's a matter of deciding to sell it after Mario, or holding it in hopes that the 2008 lineup shapes ups once more is revealed, rather than it being the "soccer mom" console as the other poster put it.

As you said, they haven't announced much, so I'm somewhat reluctant to sell it this fall.[/quote]
I don't know man. Why don't you rent some games. There is good stuff out there if you've got nothing to play in the mean time.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']Why don't you rent some guys. [/QUOTE]

Sorry. I don't swing that way. ;)

As for games, I rented/borrowed pretty much everything on the Wii I wanted to try out.

I'm ok on games for the time being though. Playing Picross DS and a bit of Quake IV (PC) at the moment. Will by Zelda: Phantom Hour Glass in early Nov. when I have to do a lot of travel, will pick up Guitar Hero III (PS2) end of the month.

So it's really just after Mario Galaxy that things look thin as there's nothing on the DS or PS2 coming out that I want either.
 
[quote name='botticus']The only way it could be remotely justified from a marketing standpoint is if they assume their entire stock will sell out regardless of Smash this holiday season, a February release would give a decent hardware boost at the beginning of the post-holiday slow-down.[/QUOTE]

That could well be part of it. They can't keep the on shelves period, even with what IMO has been a very weak game lineup.

Mario Galaxy is more than enough to keep it that way through the holidays.

But the delay is probably something to do with online play though, if I had to make a guess.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']
But the delay is probably something to do with online play though, if I had to make a guess.[/quote]

I disagree with this guess, but if it gives me the chance to blame online play, I'll consider it :p
 
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