The Andrew "Test" Martin Memorial Thread

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im actually glad i ended up not going to mania this year... jesus christ wrestling sux right now.. i honestly dont care for one match this year.. plus the main events are garbage.
 
The Swellers have reportedly been asked to write new theme music for CM Punk after handing him a demo CD at a Chicago area WWE Encyclopedia signing - two of their members are straightedge, and they mentioned to Punk that they liked what he represented. Lo and behold, Punk contacted them to see if they'd be interested in writing the song.

[quote name='The Swellers MySpace']We were at a book signing for the WWE Encyclopedia in Chicago and met CM Punk there. As an ice breaker I brought up how Nick and I are straight edge, then we quickly got to talking about our beliefs and our love of wrestling.

At the end of our conversation we gave him our latest CD and our email address half jokingly... then about a week ago his manager hit us up asking us to write and record a new theme song for him!!!!

The song we've written is called "Chin Up, X Up" and we're very proud of it. The people from WWE Studios are flying us out in a month to record at the WWE headquarters in Stamford, Connecticut.

I've been an avid wrestling fan my whole life, and this is just the icing on the cake. Combining our music with wrestling... It's our dream. Can't wait for all of you to hear the track!

Check out for an update on http://www.cmpunk.com/ in the next few weeks.

-Jonathan
http://www.myspace.com/theswellers[/quote]

Probably an April Fool's joke, but could be pretty huge for the band - it's not often that cool stuff happens to anyone from Flint, MI.
 
[quote name='JJSP']
Probably an April Fool's joke, but could be pretty huge for the band - it's not often that cool stuff happens to anyone from Flint, MI.[/quote]

Oh really, they're from Flint? Never heard of them. BUT, the last cool people I can recall from there were nicknamed "The Flintstones" and they won an NCAA Men's Basketball Championship.

And it looks like their former team might just do it again. :D
 
Great. 3-man announce team for 'Mania, and Matt Striker isn't one of them. It's JR, King, and "Vintage" Michael Cole.

Anyone follow FCW? Angela Fong is rumored to manage Cryme Tyme following 'Mania, which means :drool:.
 
[quote name='JJSP']Great. 3-man announce team for 'Mania, and Matt Striker isn't one of them. It's JR, King, and "Vintage" Michael Cole.

Anyone follow FCW? Angela Fong is rumored to manage Cryme Tyme following 'Mania, which means :drool:.[/quote]

yeah so that covers WM, but what about SD, who announces there next tuesday?
 
Todd Grisham, so he can be on every brand.

I watched ECW last night on my DVR, and I fast forwarded through recaps and such but watched all the new stuff. It took about 14 minutes. It was just 1 hour long Mania infomercial.

You guys had better watch and discuss Impact tomorrow night. We need to get this trhead to 500 and make a proper WrestleMania thread.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Todd Grisham, so he can be on every brand.

I watched ECW last night on my DVR, and I fast forwarded through recaps and such but watched all the new stuff. It took about 14 minutes. It was just 1 hour long Mania infomercial.

You guys had better watch and discuss Impact tomorrow night. We need to get this trhead to 500 and make a proper WrestleMania thread.[/QUOTE]

ok.


(i'm doing my part :))
 
I just watched last week's Impact. I really liked that main event, eevn though it made no sense that the MEM wanted to get 2 of their guys to the end. Wouldn't that mean Steiner would captain the opposing team if it came down to him and Angle?
 
Sounds like there's a not-too-terribly-surprising, but quite pleasing nonetheless, return on Impact next week. Team Jarrett gets a needed addition. My interest is piqued somewhat.

Also, this may only excite guyver, but a newpaper article in Michigan reports that Monty Brown is gearing for a comeback to the ring.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']I just watched last week's Impact. I really liked that main event, eevn though it made no sense that the MEM wanted to get 2 of their guys to the end. Wouldn't that mean Steiner would captain the opposing team if it came down to him and Angle?[/QUOTE]
What else happened because I missed both showings?
 
We're at 355 replies and it's like 4 days until WM. No way we'll reach 500 unless the nWo invades TNA, legitimately powerbombs Mike Tenay's neck onto a cinderblock, takes a time machine back to WCW in 1996, and the Monday Night Wars are still raging today.
 
[quote name='cdeener']What else happened because I missed both showings?[/QUOTE]

Let's see... Samoa Joe beat Angle in the main event. The Beautiful People beat Kong and Sayid. Suicide successfully defended his title against Kiyoshi. Team 3Dand Beer Money did a sitdown interview. I think that was it. The main event was about 45 minutes.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Let's see... Samoa Joe beat Angle in the main event. The Beautiful People beat Kong and Sayid. Suicide successfully defended his title against Kiyoshi. Team 3Dand Beer Money did a sitdown interview. I think that was it. The main event was about 45 minutes.[/QUOTE]
Well I guess I didn't miss much then. I will try to watch tonight to spark some posts.

One way to get some more posts is to give people something to talk about. Hey, why doesn't everybody that posts regularly make a post about their favorite or worst gimmick/wrestler?
 
[quote name='Halo05']We're at 355 replies and it's like 4 days until WM. No way we'll reach 500 unless the nWo invades TNA, legitimately powerbombs Mike Tenay's neck onto a cinderblock, takes a time machine back to WCW in 1996, and the Monday Night Wars are still raging today.[/quote]

Once again, don't give Russo any ideas, we know he reads the boards.
 
Everyone knows my current favorite is Edge. All time? Bret Hart.

I don't know what the worst gimmick ever is, but Kizarny was the worst I had seen in a long time.
 
HBK is by far my favorite wrestler ever.

Worst gimmick? So many to choose from, but I'm gonna have to go with:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI5b_GEgcec[/media]
 
favorite? favorite to watch? Benoit's matches were always amazing to watch. The crispness and impact of his moves stand in stark contrast to Cena's floaty/gentle/"carry your bride through the threshold" style.

favorite in terms of charisma/promos? Hmm. I almost want to give it to Shane Douglas, who remained a heel during an era where all the bad guys were doing the "it's cool to be a bad guy" thing, like the nWo. He did a good job at remaining thoroughly despised.

I'll have to give it more thought. Not my final answer at all.
 
Well my favorite right now is Jay Lethal for his great impersonation of Macho Man and how he brings up old wrestlers names you haven't heard in a loooong time.

My favorite all time gimmick has to be the Four Horsemen because it lasted through several promotions and many members. Too bad the majority of what they did I didn't get to see when it actually happened.

The worst thing I ever saw wrestling wise has to be Glacier from WCW. He sucked so bad it was hilarious to watch his matches. The only thing he had going for him was his entrance.
 
The problem with Glacier was that his buildup was so incredible relative to the rest of pro wrestling (at the time), in terms of time devoted and production value. Not to even speak of his entrance. People had expectations that this character, and his storyline, was going to revolutionize pro wrestling.

And then...well, then he hit the ring and shit up the building.
 
Rob Van Dam is my all-time favorite.

... or maybe Terry Funk. :whistle2:k
 
All time favorite? Probably Mick Foley. From his "anti-hardcore" promos in ECW to his final run against Triple H in late 1999 - early 2000 I can't think of a wrestler who made me care about professional wrestling as much. He wasn't technically amazing but he was a great storyteller in the ring and with his promos.

If I had to write up a list of my top 10 favorite matches of all time, he'd certainly have the top spot with his street fight against Triple H at the 2000 Royal Rumble. His 2004 Backlash match against Randy Orton is probably on that list as well.

My pick for worst gimmick could be almost anything from near the end of WCW. The garbage they put out was as bad as anything TNA has done. The fact that it was the former #1 wrestling promotion doing it made it that much worse. Viagra on a pole, that 70's guy Mike Awesome, Vampiro/ICP doing anything, Judy Bagwell on a pole, etc. Shit was turrrrrible.
 
Bret, HBK, and Foley were my favorite wrestling growing up, with HBK emerging as my personal "greatest of all time" pick after his comeback.

In terms of pure gimmick, I will always mark for Goldust!!! Man I wish they'd really involve him in the current mix, instead of just making him the occasional backstage punchline. Still puts a smile on my face to see him on TV and getting a paycheck though. :)

CURRENT WRESTLING TALK: just caught ECW... as infomercial-tastic as the whole show was, they had a moment of sheer brilliance when Morrison was nonchalantly txting during the entrance with Miz and Heel Bella. That was awesome.
 
HBK for favorite

Worst would be almost anything Brutus Beefcake did in WCW...
Brother Bruti
Man with no Name
Zodiac Man
The Butcher

Best pure gimmick, have to agree with Golddust. Kept modifying that character over the years to keep it fresh. Plus the whole pure gold suit/facepaint thing looks cool :p
 
Hmm... top three in order? HBK, Benoit, Hart. No question.

Worst gimmick/wrestler? I mean, even awful ones I can find *some* bit of amusement in, just not as a wrestling gimmick. I still have Regal's "Real Man's Man" song on a few playlists, and it cracks me up to this day. Horrible gimmick? Sure. So bad it's good? Certainly. I think those kind are the ones that really need to be considered as 'worst'... great wrestlers that bookers can't figure out. Regal as RMM? Ugh. Mosh as Beaver Cleavage? Well, did we really expect much from him in the first place?

And yes, I realize I just went a whole paragraph without answering the question. ;)
 
My Favorite of all time: Curt Hennig Mr. Perfect.

Worst gimmick: The Booty Man or Johnny B. Badd or maybe TL Hopper... fuck this is a hard one.
 
[quote name='cdeener']Well I guess I didn't miss much then. I will try to watch tonight to spark some posts.

One way to get some more posts is to give people something to talk about. Hey, why doesn't everybody that posts regularly make a post about their favorite or worst gimmick/wrestler?[/quote]


Favorite WWE wrestlers: The Rock, The Undertaker, Stone Cold, D' Lo Brown
Favorite WCW wrestlers: Rey Mysterio, Dean Malenko, Blitzkrieg (I was really into the crusiers at the time)
Favorite ECW wrestlers: Rob Van Dam, Yoshihiro Tajiri, Tazz
Favorite TNA wrestlers: Gail Kim :drool:, Awesome Kong, Monty Brown


Best WWE Gimmicks: The Undertaker, Goldust, Doink
Best WCW Gimmicks: Sting (Crow version), Ms. Hancock :drool:, Daffney :drool:
Best ECW Gimmicks: The Dudleys, The FBI, Ariel :drool: (WWE version of ECW)

Worst WWE Gimmicks: Beaver Cleavage, Kizarny, Mae Young
Worst WCW Gimmicks: Kwee Wee, Oklahoma, Steve McMichael
Worst ECW Gimmicks: Big Sal (useless blob), Justin Credible (just a stupid name more than anything), Blue Meanie
Worst TNA Gimmicks: Curry Man, Taylor Wilde :drool: (giving a cute girl a generic porn name and letting her beat a credible monster is lame), Samoa Elvis (Joe)
 
oh yeah, who can forget the Booty Man

I can

BTW, whats up with Daffney? Are they ever going to go beyond the whole Gov. angle in TNA. Freakin lame!
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Favorite WWE wrestlers: The Rock, The Undertaker, Stone Cold, D' Lo Brown
Favorite WCW wrestlers: Rey Mysterio, Dean Malenko, Blitzkrieg (I was really into the crusiers at the time)
Favorite ECW wrestlers: Rob Van Dam, Yoshihiro Tajiri, Tazz
Favorite TNA wrestlers: Gail Kim :drool:, Awesome Kong, Monty Brown


Best WWE Gimmicks: The Undertaker, Goldust, Doink
Best WCW Gimmicks: Sting (Crow version), Ms. Hancock :drool:, Daffney :drool:
Best ECW Gimmicks: The Dudleys, The FBI, Ariel :drool: (WWE version of ECW)

Worst WWE Gimmicks: Beaver Cleavage, Kizarny, Mae Young
Worst WCW Gimmicks: Kwee Wee, Oklahoma, Steve McMichael
Worst ECW Gimmicks: Big Sal (useless blob), Justin Credible (just a stupid name more than anything), Blue Meanie
Worst TNA Gimmicks: Curry Man, Taylor Wilde :drool: (giving a cute girl a generic porn name and letting her beat a credible monster is lame), Samoa Elvis (Joe)[/QUOTE]
I like Justin Credible when he was apart of the Impact Players. I never thought about doing each organization but I like the concept. I will have to think of some more.
 
:lol: Guile puts together a thorough, well thought out list, and omits one category: "Best TNA gimmick."

I see, in fact, what you did there. Good on ya.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Curry Man[/quote]

Am I the only person that actually liked Curryman (at least at first)? I thought he was a fun character that showed us the other side of Christopher Daniels that not many people in the States even knew about.

I know there are a million and one reasons why I should think it was incredibly stupid and lame, but I just loved the guy to pieces. I guess when compared to the rest of TNA, he was being intentionally funny :D
 
If someone else had been Curry Man, I would've been okay with the gimmick. Using Christopher Daniels just seemed like a waste given his capacity to put on amazing, hard-hitting, main event calibur matches against all manner of competition. His matches against A.J. Styles and/or Samoa Joe back around 2005 were fucking mindblowing.
 
Apparently from the official Fire Pro site/boards:

Prepare to have your hearts broken.

It's time to hear the cold, hard truth.

I'm going to break this down in the best way possible, but I don't expect anyone to cut me any slack here. I knew what I was getting myself into, and I've been prepared for the consequences for quite some time.

Truth: There is no such thing as Fire Pro Wrestling HD and there is no such thing as the Fire Pro Wrestling 20th Anniversary Collection.

Now let that sink in for a second and get angry about it.

Here's another truth: I HAVE been in contact with some former Fire Pro Wrestling developers.

Now let that sink in for a second and ask yourself why I would make up such a story.

Here's the final and saddest truth: According to my contacts, Spike has no plans to ever make another wrestling game ever again. Period. That's it. It's over. No more Fire Pro. No more KOC. No more Blazing Tornado. No more Iron Slam. Kaput. Finished. THE END. The deep six. etc. etc.

Fire Pro Wrestling Z was supposed to be the finale. As far as Fire Pro Wrestling games go... it was rather pathetic as a finale. Fire Pro Wrestling Returns was a way to do one of two things:

1) Bring the series BACK
or
2) Let the series end on a happy note with a proper finale

Sales were less than stellar, so we obviously got number 2.

Now let that sink in for a second and ask yourself if you're OK with that fact. Ask yourself if you're OK with playing Fire Pro Returns and KOC2 for the rest of your days. If you're anything like me, you'll say, "HELL NO I'M NOT OK WITH THAT."

Games like TNA IMPACT, Smackdown, and Legends of Wrestlemania don't satisfy most of the guys around here. Even a game like Pro Wrestling X, which is supposed to be by the fans and for the fans... looks like it won't deliver what we really need. Hell... we aren't even totally satisfied with games like Wrestle Kingdom and All Star Pro Wrestling, which I feel are light years ahead of the crap we usually get. We're here because of Human / Spike. We love THEIR wrestling games.

So here we are. Stuck in the year 2009 with nothing to look forward to ... yet we're sitting on a mountain of ideas, wish lists, suggestions, and testimony from people saying they'd buy new systems and pay for monthly DLC if a new Fire Pro game was on the horizon.

We can do one of two things here.
We can keep playing Fire Pro Returns and KOC2 until we all grow apart and the community slowly dwindles down into a small group of e-fedders and 'vets'...

Or we can seriously try to do something about our gaming future.

The word is out there, now. This entire FPHD thing has made it to Japan. They want it, too. It's not just us. And there are people out there that don't even know about the FPHD 'hoax'... yet they still want FPHD. You know they do... because FPHD was not just some random collection of bullet points. It was a large collection of things that people in this community have asked for and wished for. It's possible. It's achievable. There's no ladder match. There's no table match. There's none of that stuff. This game is actually possible, and it's what we really want.

And you know what... it's not TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, either.

Who says we're never going to get what we want?
Who decided that what we want is too good to be reality?
I'm not in that camp.

I think it can be done, and I say it's time we do something about it.
Maybe it will work. Maybe it won't.

But sitting around playing a 4 year old wrestling game isn't going to get us anywhere.

I love Fire Pro and KOC just as much as anyone else here... but I'm not satisfied with where the story ends.
And as you can tell by this entire 'hoax'... I don't really care about my credibility or 'internet status', either. I care about these games, and they come first. If you guys hate my guts for this, I'll understand. If you want me gone, I'll understand... but I'll still be fighting for a new Fire Pro.

And if that falls through... well... some of you know my other plans, but that's not going to be a reality any time soon.

So where do we go from here?
That's for us to decide.

I say we need to do something. Others may disagree.
They say it won't matter what we do. I disagree.
Some people may think that this was the stupidest thing I could've ever done. Maybe they're right laugh.gif

But I do know one thing for sure... the world got excited about Fire Pro again, and its on people's minds right now.

We need to get the word out. We need to team up with fans in Japan. We need to increase our numbers, and we need to let Spike know that this series can be profitable again.

If we don't... then it's game over for Fire Pro.

It's very possible that we may lose... but I'm not going to sit around without at least giving it a serious shot.

So I guess that's it. The community will now decide what happens next.

I'm sorry for wasting your time. I'm sorry for lying to you, and I'm sorry that FPHD isn't real.
OH GOD, how I wish it was real.
And MDK... I'm sorry for lying to you about my intentions for this entire thing. If you ban me for this... at least let me go out in a blaze of glory with a typical barrage of troll posts and flame topics. It's only fair.

BEWARE OF FIRE PRO
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Gah. I kinda figured it was too good to be true. Still, it really sucks that Firepro Returns is the end of the series. Then again, I also thought Firepro Z was the end of the series and I made it through those dark days.
 
My favorite wrestler would have to be Everyone's Favorite Wrestler, Rob Van Dam. For me RVD has always been the most entertaining overall, plus I always like the good cruiser/lightweight types. As for the best, most skilled dude, that could be any of these four: Bret, Perfect, Benoit, Angle.

Best gimmick? Toss up between Goldust or Muhammad Hassan. Goldust was great, underrated wrestler too. I'm surprised to see other fans of his here. I mostly preferred it when they portrayed him as a serious character, although those Booker T segments were epic. Bookdust ftw.

Worst gimmick ever? Hm, Sandman? The Zombie that appeared on the first night of WWECW? I'm sure I'll think of a better answer for this later.

[quote name='Purple Flames']Am I the only person that actually liked Curryman (at least at first)? I thought he was a fun character that showed us the other side of Christopher Daniels that not many people in the States even knew about.[/quote]
Hell no.. I LOL'd for hours the first time I saw this video. It won't embed (fuck you, TNA) so just click on it to watch it on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL_tdy3Ok3s
 
Current favorite wrestler is Y2J. Has been for the better part of a decade. Benoit was a close second; he was technically superior, but Y2J on the mic is awesome.

Favorite wrestler? All time? heh. Lawler, hands down. He was THE de-facto face in Memphis for most of his career. When he played heel, though, he could keep a crowd HOT for 15-20 minutes by something as simple as pretending to pull foreign objects out of his tights. If you've ever heard the term "Memphis heel," it started with Lawler.

WWE made that kind of heel "uncool" some time ago, so you don't see it much anymore. Last time I saw an honest attempt at it was at a WWF house show where DVon Dudley was testing out the "Reverend D-Von" gimmick (before it hit Smackdown for the first time).

Favorite gimmick: Currently, I'll give the nod to Edge. All time, though:

...

I need to think on that. Kooky, I'm drawing a blank.
 
Current favorite is Jericho.
All time would be Flair. I have just seen too many great Flair matches for it to be anyone else.

Worst gimmick for me would be the Demon.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']:lol: Guile puts together a thorough, well thought out list, and omits one category: "Best TNA gimmick."

I see, in fact, what you did there. Good on ya.[/quote]

:lol:

Now that I think about it, The Beautiful People is a gimmick I like, but that is about it.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']ICB, could you specify what you feel to be unique about that kind of heel?[/quote]

It's somewhat more complicated than the answer I'm about to give you, but a good heel in that vein can get a face over just as easily as he can get himself over, in the same match.

These types of heels are the ultimate cowards; they'll hide in the ropes to delay a match's start, especially when in the ring with a "superior" face. They will roll out of the ring after being on the wrong end of a chain-wrestling set, and then tease the return to the ring 3-4 times to rile the crowd up. If taken over with a hiptoss or an armdrag, they complain to the ref about hair-pulling, tights-pulling, etc. Then there is my previous mention of the foreign objects, either real or phantom.

The opponent of a heel that uses these tactics will get over with a crowd using ANY offense, even if you're a complete jobber like say, a Barry Horowitz or a Van Hammer.

Parts of this heel have survived to today's WWE product, no doubt. The standard WWE heel, though, is a badass or tries like hell to be one. Randy Orton couldn't make, say, Jeff Hardy look like a million bucks. HHH wouldn't do it, unless you were one of his boys. Edge could pull it off, and I think that's part of the reason I like his current character so much.

Then the other part of my answer is that I'm just using rose-colored glasses to look at this shit. I've been watching for nearly 30 years, and sometimes I pine for the good old days, before WWF's Hogan era that turned them into a circus show in the first place. Back when there were still territories, and when Bret Hart had more than 5 moves of doom. WELL before the advent of the WWE style. Shrug. I dunno.
 
[quote name='cdeener']I like Justin Credible when he was apart of the Impact Players. I never thought about doing each organization but I like the concept. I will have to think of some more.[/quote]

Yeah, I liked him in the ring, I just hated that name. It's right up there with Hugh Morrus, Phinneas I. Godwinn, and Henry O. Godwinn, and Just Joe.
 
[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']It's somewhat more complicated than the answer I'm about to give you, but a good heel in that vein can get a face over just as easily as he can get himself over, in the same match.

These types of heels are the ultimate cowards; they'll hide in the ropes to delay a match's start, especially when in the ring with a "superior" face. They will roll out of the ring after being on the wrong end of a chain-wrestling set, and then tease the return to the ring 3-4 times to rile the crowd up. If taken over with a hiptoss or an armdrag, they complain to the ref about hair-pulling, tights-pulling, etc. Then there is my previous mention of the foreign objects, either real or phantom.

The opponent of a heel that uses these tactics will get over with a crowd using ANY offense, even if you're a complete jobber like say, a Barry Horowitz or a Van Hammer.

Parts of this heel have survived to today's WWE product, no doubt. The standard WWE heel, though, is a badass or tries like hell to be one. Randy Orton couldn't make, say, Jeff Hardy look like a million bucks. HHH wouldn't do it, unless you were one of his boys. Edge could pull it off, and I think that's part of the reason I like his current character so much.

Then the other part of my answer is that I'm just using rose-colored glasses to look at this shit. I've been watching for nearly 30 years, and sometimes I pine for the good old days, before WWF's Hogan era that turned them into a circus show in the first place. Back when there were still territories, and when Bret Hart had more than 5 moves of doom. WELL before the advent of the WWE style. Shrug. I dunno.[/QUOTE]

I get that much; that's a decent description. JBL wasn't a bad cowardly heel, but the fact that he was considered "not bad" at it really shows how lacking the current era of wrestling is for that kind of character.

I never pinpointed it to a geographic region, though one person whose style immediately comes to mind who worked like that is the Honky Tonk Man. Who was from...well, you know where.

This kind of heel, which also brings Flair to mind to a degree (on his knees, begging for mercy, calling for a timeout) has been replaced by the much-much-much-much-much-much-much-much-much-much-much (visual depiction works!) overused "stable that does too many run-ins" heel main event guy.

Wrestlers these days are greatly afraid of, to use the old phrase, "showing ass." With some exceptions. Edge is, undoubtedly, one of them.
 
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