The Bill Goldberg Wrestling Thread - William Regal - New King of The Ring!

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You can't simply say "because I saw him in Dayton" and expect that it somehow makes you right.

If you want to compare him to Benoit, then the man isn't allowed to have off nights. Not even in Dayton.

Moreover, his style isn't even Benoit's. If you said Albright, I'd agree; Richards is too "kicky" and "floaty" to have a style similar to Benoit.

I'm not saying Richards is bad, but just that comparing him to Benoit is absurd. There are some decent wrestlers in ROH, but let's not overrate someone just because they're part of a lesser-known organization (and thus more "worthy" by some obscure algorithm).

I spent too many years hanging around pretentious punk-rock assholes who would flippantly disregard "mainstream" punk (which was a moving target, being as well-known as Green Day, or any "major label" Epi-Fat/Lookout band) in favor of overhyping bands nobody else knew. There's great music on both sides, to be sure, but I've been around cultures that overvalue unknown talent and blithely pan "mainstream" guys.

So this isn't anything I'm unfamiliar with. Richards may be a solid hand, but that doesn't mean he's worth going out of your way to see. He's pretty fuckin' vanilla, all things said: not a bad wrestler, but not someone who is memorable unless you're wholly invested in the product (as you are).
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']You stopped caring because you aren't familiar with Davey. Hence that makes you ignorant. He is about a hundred times the worker that Stevie ever was. Think Chris Benoit with a personality.[/quote]

Are you serious? I couldn't distinguish Davey from any of the other stiff puro mid-carders at either of the ROH shows I went to.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']Warrior is coming out of retirement.

To wrestle Orlando Jordan.[/quote]

By "wrestle" do you mean have "teh butseks"?
8th grade just called me, it wants it's witty retort back.

I have a hard time believing Warrior would wrestle Orlando Jordan. Or Kanyon, or any other homo wrestler.
 
[quote name='neocisco']By "wrestle" do you mean have "teh butseks"?
8th grade just called me, it wants it's witty retort back.

I have a hard time believing Warrior would wrestle Orlando Jordan. Or Kanyon, or any other homo wrestler.[/quote]

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Orlando Jordan :rofl:

Theres a name you don't hear often. I don't remember much about him except he used to make an O then a J with his arms as his taunt. And him and the Bashams made C's with their hands for the Cabinet. He may have held the US title. Who knows.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']You can't simply say "because I saw him in Dayton" and expect that it somehow makes you right.

If you want to compare him to Benoit, then the man isn't allowed to have off nights. Not even in Dayton.

Moreover, his style isn't even Benoit's. If you said Albright, I'd agree; Richards is too "kicky" and "floaty" to have a style similar to Benoit.

I'm not saying Richards is bad, but just that comparing him to Benoit is absurd. There are some decent wrestlers in ROH, but let's not overrate someone just because they're part of a lesser-known organization (and thus more "worthy" by some obscure algorithm).

I spent too many years hanging around pretentious punk-rock assholes who would flippantly disregard "mainstream" punk (which was a moving target, being as well-known as Green Day, or any "major label" Epi-Fat/Lookout band) in favor of overhyping bands nobody else knew. There's great music on both sides, to be sure, but I've been around cultures that overvalue unknown talent and blithely pan "mainstream" guys.

So this isn't anything I'm unfamiliar with. Richards may be a solid hand, but that doesn't mean he's worth going out of your way to see. He's pretty fuckin' vanilla, all things said: not a bad wrestler, but not someone who is memorable unless you're wholly invested in the product (as you are).[/quote]

Actually I wasn't really taking your post all that seriously.

I didn't think would approach the subject matter with all that much heart.

The ROH guys all work in accordance to how Gabe tells them. The thing with ROH now is that they're not supposed to go out there and give their all like they might have in the past. Benoit went out there and gave his best. Period.

Gabe however doesn't want things to run like that. He only wants to highlight specific people on the shows. It's like watching a Marufuji match in ROH vs. a Marufuji match in NOAH. They just work lighter and let the glory shine on whoever Gabe wants it to shine on.

Davey is what, still like 3 and a half years into the business? Giive him time. Where was Benoit thus far in his career? A lot of the guys in ROH are booked to basically to play second fiddle to any number of people who are being pushed. Namely Claudio, Aries, Dragon, Jacobs, Nigel, Stevens, and Black. I'm basing my assertion on Davey on his potential which can be a tricky thing. But when he is on, he is among the most intense guys on the roster.

Final Battle 2007. Marufuji/Richards - watch it.

In his current role, he is playing the rookie dork role among Rocky Romero and Roderick Strong. He is poised to move to Sweet & Sour Incorporated and when that happens, I think he'll be allowed to shine a little more.

Besides, can you even argue that Stevie is a better wrestler than Davey?
 
[quote name='Genocidal']ROH's big announcement? 33% off sale. Marks.[/quote]

That shit pissed me the fuck off. And it's so mind bending that people are going out of their way to defend that. It's such bullshit. I wasn't even going to mention it around here.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']ROH's big announcement? 33% off sale. Marks.[/quote]

That shit pissed me the fuck off. And it's so mind bending that people are going out of their way to defend that. It's such bullshit. I wasn't even going to mention that shit around here.
 
I'll believe Warrior's return when the match actually happens, as they usually have a tendency to fall through at the last minute. If it happens, it should boost NWE's credibility in the eyes of the fans, who supported that group throughout the Spanish wrestling boom. Even if it's just a one-shot deal, they should at least get one big gate out of it. If not, then time has definitely passed Warrior by, although I expect it to help them out, as his DVD did sell very well, and Warrior's physical appearance for the match alone will spark some interest in it.

Here's an FPR "Gruesome" MMA cage fight I had between Angle (me) in his Lockdown garb against Joe in FPR -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5MfTuUoUsg
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']That shit pissed me the fuck off. And it's so mind bending that people are going out of their way to defend that. It's such bullshit. I wasn't even going to mention that shit around here.[/QUOTE]

I'm almost positive that the real announcement was going to be them running a show in Canada but after it leaked out, they rushed to put something else together.

Also

Mark Briscoe Injured
Sunday, April 20, 2008

Half of the ROH World Tag Team Champions Mark Briscoe was seriously injured last Saturday night in Chicago by The Age Of The Fall. Briscoe will need surgery and is expected to miss a significant amount of time. The status of the ROH World Tag Team Titles is currently being determined by ROH officials.

Jimmy Jacobs stabbed Mark in the wrist at the Chicago event, resulting in a deep laceration. We will have an update early this week in the ROHwrestling.com Newswire on Mark's condition and the status of the ROH World Tag Team Titles.
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lame :cry: man the fuck up mark man up
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I'm almost positive that the real announcement was going to be them running a show in Canada but after it leaked out, they rushed to put something else together.[/quote]

They're not stupid. They wouldn't have made the Canada announcement in Detroit otherwise if it was supposed to be a big surprise. This is just ROH going through the TNA playbook of pathetic publicity.
 
Shame Briscoe is injured, but at least it wasn't on a motorcycle this time.

Also, the Jimmy Jacobs "stabbing" excuse is lame and unbelievable. ZzZzZzZzZz. Next, please.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Shame Briscoe is injured, but at least it wasn't on a motorcycle this time.

Also, the Jimmy Jacobs "stabbing" excuse is lame and unbelievable. ZzZzZzZzZz. Next, please.[/quote]

Best thing from last night is that Jimmy started "crying" and he got hit with streamers. :)
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']Best thing from last night is that Jimmy started "crying" and he got hit with streamers. :)[/QUOTE]

Zen, you have to get a cuckold chant going at the Hammerstein show.
 
Once again, The Briscoes will miss a PWG event. They (along with Richards) are booked for the tag-team tournament in a few weeks.

According to a post on the PWG site, Mark is out three to six months rehabbing a ruptured tendon in his wrist.

PWG has also signed a national DVD deal with Big Vision Entertainment to release PWG DVD's in stores nationwide. The first DVD, titled "PWG Sells Out", will be available 7/15 in stores everywhere.
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']so, cag... the day is on us, with the day here. i wanna know, who will be the new king of the ring?[/quote]

It should be MVP, but I doubt it. I don't know when Jeff Hardy's scheduled to return, but if he pulls a Cena, comes out of no-where, and wins it, I will be pissed.
 
[quote name='chasemurata']It should be MVP, but I doubt it. I don't know when Jeff Hardy's scheduled to return, but if he pulls a Cena, comes out of no-where, and wins it, I will be pissed.[/QUOTE]

And I'll mark the fuck out :)
 
[quote name='JJSP']PWG has also signed a national DVD deal with Big Vision Entertainment to release PWG DVD's in stores nationwide. The first DVD, titled "PWG Sells Out", will be available 7/15 in stores everywhere.[/QUOTE]

That's good news. I may check one out, as I'd like to see some PWG.

That said, Big Vision must use the cheapest manufacturing plant on the fact of mother earth, because all of their DVDs *smell funny*. Hardcore Homecoming, Forever Hardcore, Heroes of World Class, and maybe one other one I have. They all stink. Yech.

Who's with me?
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']so, cag... the day is on us, with the day here. i wanna know, who will be the new king of the ring?[/QUOTE]
Who cares?
 
[quote name='Brak']Who cares?[/QUOTE]

I will watch it later, but I'm dead set on finishing Lost Odyssey before GTAIV comes out, so no Raw for me tonight. I think I've really watched it once since Wrestlemania, to be honest.
 
Good man.

(Give me Lost Odyssey, for free, when you're done with it.)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']That's good news. I may check one out, as I'd like to see some PWG.

That said, Big Vision must use the cheapest manufacturing plant on the fact of mother earth, because all of their DVDs *smell funny*. Hardcore Homecoming, Forever Hardcore, Heroes of World Class, and maybe one other one I have. They all stink. Yech.

Who's with me?[/quote]

They smell like five-cents per hour.
 
[quote name='chasemurata']I don't know when Jeff Hardy's scheduled to return, but if he pulls a Cena, comes out of no-where, and wins it, I will be pissed.[/quote]

He probably won't be returning until next month(since the suspension is 60 days), even that might be up in the air if they don't any room for him in a storyline.

As for returns tonight, Mr. Kennedy is done w/ his direct-to-DVD movie & Cena is supposed to be taking a break for a movie he's doing.

As for the KOTR, I still say it'll be Jericho that wins. I probably won't be watching Raw tonight since I'm trying to catch up with a huge ass backlog and trying to rap up Tales of Symphonia right now.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']He probably won't be returning until next month(since the suspension is 60 days), even that might be up in the air if they don't any room for him in a storyline.

As for returns tonight, Mr. Kennedy is done w/ his direct-to-DVD movie & Cena is supposed to be taking a break for a movie he's doing.

As for the KOTR, I still say it'll be Jericho that wins. I probably won't be watching Raw tonight since I'm trying to catch up with a huge ass backlog and trying to rap up Tales of Symphonia right now.[/quote]

Ah yes, I read about Kennedy possibly returning tonight. While I like Kennedy more than other people, my friends really dislike him, and think a King of the Ring victory would help him, I would also much prefer Jericho. He could take that ball and run with it. He or MVP, I'd have no issue with winning.
 
They've been throttling Kennedy back and forth too much into and out of the upper card. He needs KOTR more than Jericho, IMO.

Besides, who ever was a good guy KOTR that was awesome? All the good ones were heels.
 
Owen Hart was far and away my favorite KOTR winner. I hated him so much back when he would beat the shit out of Bret on what seemed like a weekly basis.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']They've been throttling Kennedy back and forth too much into and out of the upper card. He needs KOTR more than Jericho, IMO.

Besides, who ever was a good guy KOTR that was awesome? All the good ones were heels.[/quote]

Kennedy would also be a good selection - but I think he draws enough heat as things presently stand. I think Jericho needs it more, as he gets a mixed reaction, as they are in process, I think, of turning him heel, and the fans don't know whether to boo or cheer. A solid, obnoxious heel run for Jericho could set him up quite nicely. Again, I would not be opposed to a Kennedy KOTR win, but I just don't think he needs it. What he does need is another Money in the Bank win. ^_^;
 
No joke. Now, to be fair, there were failures: Mabel and Billy Gunn come to mind.

But Austin (shaddup, he was a heel), Owen, Booker, Edge (was he a heel? I remember a snotty promo where he claimed he wouldn't "Billy Gunn" his KOTR win), Triple H, Kurt Angle, etc.

Who sucked as KOTR? Bret (didn't need it), Billy Gunn (natch), and Shamrock.

Also, Brock Lesnar was a heel when he won, wasn't he? Man, I attended the KOTRs that Lesnar and Gunn won live, and I can't remember very much about either. Zounds.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']King Kennedy? Has a nice ring to it.[/QUOTE]

King Ken Kennedy. Perhaps he can guest on The Simpsons and perform on the Krusty Komedy Klassic at the Apollo.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']No joke. Now, to be fair, there were failures: Mabel and Billy Gunn come to mind.

But Austin (shaddup, he was a heel), Owen, Booker, Edge (was he a heel? I remember a snotty promo where he claimed he wouldn't "Billy Gunn" his KOTR win), Triple H, Kurt Angle, etc.

Who sucked as KOTR? Bret (didn't need it), Billy Gunn (natch), and Shamrock.

Also, Brock Lesnar was a heel when he won, wasn't he? Man, I attended the KOTRs that Lesnar and Gunn won live, and I can't remember very much about either. Zounds.[/quote]

Oh Billy Gunn, why you won, I do not know. I'd rank Mabel as a bigger success than Gunn. Goodness gracious great balls of fire, Billy Gunn failed to do much of anything as the King of the Ring. It didn't fit the attitude and gimmick of Shamrock and Bret Hart, and also don't know why they were given the achievement.

While he used the possible gimmick properly, I felt Booker T's run as King Booker was immensely overused. It seemed like they didn't know what else to do with him, and were afraid to progress him as a character. Plus, it just got annoying.

Owen's run was incredible, and fun. It was funcredible, incredibun... sweet, saturated incrediyum.

Of course, Austin's win is probably the most memorable. The worst part of that tournament were the Savio Vega matches. Man, was he terrible. I rooted for Jake Roberts, but his loss really helped solidify the beginning of the Stone Cold era.

Okay, I forgot where I was going with this post... :oops:

But yeah, Kennedy could indeed be one of the great KOTR winners.
 
All this KOTR tal has me reminiscing about something:

Remember that Triple H was originally supposed to win the KOTR that Austin won, but went on to be buried after the MSG incident went down. Austin won, and during his coronation cut his infamous "Austin 3:16" promo, which became an overnight sensation and solidified his rise to superstardom. For all of Austin's fame and popularity, he owes it to a group of friends hugging each other goodbye in the ring.

Funny how things work out like that.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']No joke. Now, to be fair, there were failures: Mabel and Billy Gunn come to mind.

But Austin (shaddup, he was a heel), Owen, Booker, Edge (was he a heel? I remember a snotty promo where he claimed he wouldn't "Billy Gunn" his KOTR win), Triple H, Kurt Angle, etc.

Who sucked as KOTR? Bret (didn't need it), Billy Gunn (natch), and Shamrock.

Also, Brock Lesnar was a heel when he won, wasn't he? Man, I attended the KOTRs that Lesnar and Gunn won live, and I can't remember very much about either. Zounds.[/QUOTE]
Edge was face and they used the KOTR to break up E&C. It was funny when Christian used to carry around the KOTR Trophy.

Brock was heel I believe. I think he had Heyman as his mouthpiece at the time.
 
Raw main event for tonight is

Undertaker & Kane & John Cena & HHH vs. Randy Orton & JBL & Edge & Chavo Guerrero.

This also means none of them are in the King of the Ring tournament.
 
[quote name='chasemurata']Oh Billy Gunn, why you won, I do not know. I'd rank Mabel as a bigger success than Gunn. Goodness gracious great balls of fire, Billy Gunn failed to do much of anything as the King of the Ring. It didn't fit the attitude and gimmick of Shamrock and Bret Hart, and also don't know why they were given the achievement.

While he used the possible gimmick properly, I felt Booker T's run as King Booker was immensely overused. It seemed like they didn't know what else to do with him, and were afraid to progress him as a character. Plus, it just got annoying.

Owen's run was incredible, and fun. It was funcredible, incredibun... sweet, saturated incrediyum.

Of course, Austin's win is probably the most memorable. The worst part of that tournament were the Savio Vega matches. Man, was he terrible. I rooted for Jake Roberts, but his loss really helped solidify the beginning of the Stone Cold era.

Okay, I forgot where I was going with this post... :oops:

But yeah, Kennedy could indeed be one of the great KOTR winners.[/quote]

I've probably said it before, but your avatar is classic awesome. :D

I agree the King Booker stuff got old.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']All this KOTR tal has me reminiscing about something:

Remember that Triple H was originally supposed to win the KOTR that Austin won, but went on to be buried after the MSG incident went down. Austin won, and during his coronation cut his infamous "Austin 3:16" promo, which became an overnight sensation and solidified his rise to superstardom. For all of Austin's fame and popularity, he owes it to a group of friends hugging each other goodbye in the ring.

Funny how things work out like that.[/QUOTE]

I completely forgot about that.

[quote name='CouRageouS']Edge was face and they used the KOTR to break up E&C. It was funny when Christian used to carry around the KOTR Trophy.

Brock was heel I believe. I think he had Heyman as his mouthpiece at the time.[/QUOTE]

That too. Christian did channel a great deal of Owen Hart during the end of E&C, didn't he?
 
Uh, holy shit.

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Glad they put Clinton's first since it sucked. I'm pissed McCain didn't bust out a "pencil necked geeks" line.
 
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