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Eh, homosexual slurs aren't clever and are just offensive to gay men.

I'd go with something that implies how much of a kissass you gotta be to get to Sheamus' spot, so y'know, Triple H's luggage carrier or baggage handler would suit me just fine.
 
TNA to me is a decade too late and an idea too short to keep me interested

It's for fans who are on A.D.D and feel like every wrestler still has "potential". That's the basis of it to me. I tried watching last night....it seemed like they tried to pack something into each segment.

Tell me something...what was the purpose of showing Hardy at the end??? Why not show him tomorrow?

Why was there Mankind 2.0 on there? And why wasn't Mick Foley mentoring him? Why is Hulk Hogan doing it? I understand Flair and that AJ guy...but Hogan and Mankind JR???

Why are these white bitches always showing their ass like they got one? Come on...it's beyond obvious that these women are like 5'2 and got some meat on their bones...flat asses though. I'd rather just watch the hot girls in WWE who know they don't got an ass but still look great.

And Shannon Moore = Gay or a Tranny. The hell was that???

So many things I disliked...especially having to see Nash and 'em.

Only thing I liked was Angle and his segment. It was perfect. And Ken Anderson reminded me of Glen Beck for a second so it looked great seeing him get his ass whooped. Well done.


I promise though, everytime I watch TNA I'm disappointed, yet, yall love it. Guess it's not for me...
 
you mean handling my baggage.

er...

Ken Anderson as Glenn Beck? Hmm. Interesting perspective. If I were studying to be a heel, I'd listen to talk radio for sure.

EDIT: "The beat down of RVD 20 seconds into his debut in TNA was mind boggling. I dont understand how so many talented people can be so clueless." - Chris Jericho
 
I think the RVD beat down wasn't that bad, if you noticed when Sting came out for the match he was still getting a face pop even after taking out Abyss and Hogan. RVD comes out, beats Sting clean (which puts over RVD). Sting gets revenge after the loss to keep his heat, and after beating RVD down the whole crowd turned on him with you suck chants. What would have been stupid is if Sting returns to lose to RVD in 1 minute match, and doesn't get his heat back after the match.
 
[quote name='pimpster4183']I think the RVD beat down wasn't that bad, if you noticed when Sting came out for the match he was still getting a face pop even after taking out Abyss and Hogan. RVD comes out, beats Sting clean (which puts over RVD). Sting gets revenge after the loss to keep his heat, and after beating RVD down the whole crowd turned on him with you suck chants. What would have been stupid is if Sting returns to lose to RVD in 1 minute match, and doesn't get his heat back after the match.[/QUOTE]


Let me get this straight. TNA signs one of the biggest wrestlers today and has him debut in a 10 second match and then books him to be stupid enough to turn his back on a wrestler with a bat in his hands. This was done at 9:55 eastern going into the 10 p.m. hour. They would have drawn/kept a ton of Raw fans who happened to see RVD on TNA. Once they realize it's going to be a beatdown after 10 second bs match to lose those viewers right back to Raw.

What they should have done was had RVD wrestle Sting for a good 10 minutes or so. Once Sting realized that he couldn't win then he goes for the bat and turns heel. What is the point of debuting one of the top 10 stars in the business today to waste them in 10 seconds?
 
RVD beat one of the top wrestlers of all time in a squash, that's putting RVD over huge and Sting saved heat by taking him out with the bat afterwards. I do think the whole beating him down for like 5 minutes with the bat was stupid though.
 
wait.

That was how they introduced RVD? Seriously?

I'm intrigued by the prospect of a heel Sting but this isn't really the way to do it. RVD's sneak attack was a pretty heelish thing to do and in some ways, justified Stings post-match actions.

We'll see where it all goes. I'm happy to have dueling wrestling on Monday Nights again, hopefully I'll get a chance to watch next week.
 
The Beautiful People theme is about the only one I ever gave a crap about. Catchy tune. The Styles/Tomko tag team theme was pretty nifty too.
 
[quote name='HydroX']The Beautiful People theme is about the only one I ever gave a crap about. Catchy tune. The Styles/Tomko tag team theme was pretty nifty too.[/QUOTE]


The Beautiful People's Theme is really good. Perfect fit for them. I also loved Awesome Kong's theme and LAX. LAX's theme was probably my favorite.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']The Beautiful People's Theme is really good. Perfect fit for them. I also loved Awesome Kong's theme and LAX. LAX's theme was probably my favorite.[/QUOTE]

ah yeah, I forgot about the LAX theme. Good stuff there.

The more recent ones are just absolute crap. The RVD one made me look at the screen with a WTF look. :bomb:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']you mean handling my baggage.

er...

Ken Anderson as Glenn Beck? Hmm. Interesting perspective. If I were studying to be a heel, I'd listen to talk radio for sure.

EDIT: "The beat down of RVD 20 seconds into his debut in TNA was mind boggling. I dont understand how so many talented people can be so clueless." - Chris Jericho[/QUOTE]
Yea, all Ken Anderson needs to complete the persona is a good ol fashion cry...for his heelish actions
 
[quote name='pimpster4183']RVD beat one of the top wrestlers of all time in a squash, that's putting RVD over huge and Sting saved heat by taking him out with the bat afterwards. I do think the whole beating him down for like 5 minutes with the bat was stupid though.[/QUOTE]

J'accuse! Pimpster4183 is actually:

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Because, seriously, there's no one else that could think this booking was great.

RVD sneak attacking Sting and then pinning him isn't the kind of squash that gets someone over, especially since RVD got to imitate a pinata for the next ten minutes. When all was said and done, RVD didn't look like a credible threat. It just made it seem like he got a fluke victory over Sting, who was clearly that party that walked away from the incident in the dominant position.
 
You know, I didn't understand Scott Hall's "I'll be the one looking like Elvis" line until I watched Jeff Hardy vs. Scott Hall from TNA a few years ago. Wasn't sure it was possible for Hall to look even fatter, but the Elvis gear does the trick.
 
I sadly can't take credit for this (friend posted it elsewhere) but it's worth reposting:

Next year, I think I'm gonna get a big HAPPY BIRTHDAY banner made. In the 8 weeks before my birthday, I will stand on chairs and point to the birthday banner with an intensely determined look on my face.

Seriously, this seems to be every promo between two top guys feuding in the January-Wrestlemania months in the last 5 years or so:

Good Guy: You wanna make a name for yourself in this business and take me out? Well this is the big time. This is Wrestlemania. ::points to WM banner::

Bad Guy: What you and each and every one of these people don't understand is my track record of success and my destiny ::points to WM banner::

Good Guy: You know what, you have had some success, but on the biggest stage, I will not quit and you will go down ::points to WM banner::

Bad Guy: Ok, maybe you have had every title in this business and you have a great legacy, but I'm gonna destroy you and make a statement and add to my legacy ::points to WM banner::

Good Guy: Ok, you wanna talk legacies and main events in this business ::points to WM banner::

Bad Guy: Legacies this business ::points to WM banner::

Good Guy: LEGACIES ::points to WM banner::
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hall better not wear the ridiculous elvis outfit again.. god i hated that.

The new RVD theme grew on me already.. i kinda like it but the lyrics are kinds iffy.
I would have prob preferred a Pantera "Walk' ripoff
 
Next year, I think I'm gonna get a big HAPPY BIRTHDAY banner made. In the 8 weeks before my birthday, I will stand on chairs and point to the birthday banner with an intensely determined look on my face.
Click to expand...

:rofl:

god I love it.

:rofl:

EDIT: Mr. Beef, wanna split the cost of a "MERRY CHRISTMAS" banner?
 
Booked for next week's Impact...

Rob Van Dam & Jeff Hardy vs. AJ Styles & Desmond Wolfe

Ok, I'm a little interested even though I know they'll have a two minute match ending in a clusterfuck.
 
[quote name='JJSP']Booked for next week's Impact...

Rob Van Dam & Jeff Hardy vs. AJ Styles & Desmond Wolfe

Ok, I'm a little interested even though I know they'll have a two minute match ending in a clusterfuck.[/QUOTE]

Nice match up. How does RVD fit in? Should'nt he be going after Sting?
 
Yeah, but not building towards a RVD/Sting match at Destination X is probably the smartest thing TNA could do. Save it for the PPV after and book it as what it is, the first PPV encounter between the two ever. It stinks that they blew the match in 10 seconds, but the Sting/RVD match is interesting enough to me to want to see it with a decent amount of time.
 
I just read that Lacey has posed for Playboy when I find out which issue she is in I will update this post.

What JJSP said from the info I read this supposedly happened a few years back but nothing ever came of it.
 
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- Last night's edition of WWE scored a 3.4 cable rating.

- Last night's edition of TNA Impact scored a 1.0 cable rating.

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/132177


I guess the promise land that Hogan promised to take TNA is the wasteland where WCW ended up.


2009 Impact Ratings up until April 1st.
http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/tna-ratings/

- January 1: 1.0
- January 8: 1.1
- January 15: 1.2
- January 22: 1.1
- January 29: 1.2
- February 5: 1.1
- February 12: 1.2
- February 19: 1.3
- February 26: 1.3
- March 5: 1.3
- March 12: 1.2
- March 19: 1.3
- March 26: 1.3
 
[quote name='guyver2077']Nice match up. How does RVD fit in? Should'nt he be going after Sting?[/QUOTE]

Awesome lineup on paper and in Firepro. What sucks is that TNA will mostly likely screw it up, only allow the wrestlers to have five minutes for the match, and/or it'll have a ton of run-ins and the like.
 
I have to say that last night was the first time in quite a long ass time that I was ENTERTAINED by a wrestling show on Monday night. Raw has been rather weak for quite a while, but what can you expect when you have the same players day in and day out. Is there pretty much anyone in the WWE that has not faced eash other in at least 2 storylines by now?

On the TNA side of things, they are fairly solid ring performer but the entertainment aspect, the stories just have been lacking for me for a decent time now. Last night I was solidly entertained by their product. Sting going heel and beating the living shit out of RVD after doing a quick job for him was insane. There is alot of room to go with him as a heel, but I will agree they did a poor job with the selling it once Sting hit Hogan 2 times with a bat and never again mention RVD. That was absurd. The Nash/Young vs Hall and Pac was handled fairly weel. Bischoff telling Young to "Beat that bitch down" was sweet. Almost like there was some real emotion. The X Division introduction of Shannon Moore was also pretty solid and looks like there will be some definite action there as well.

Overall I was entertained last night by the TNA product and spent more time on it than even glimpsing over at Raw. For me, wrestling is about the entertainement and storylines. I dont tune in to see how well somewone can bodyslam or suplex someone, but I dont like watching a shitton of botches. When the physicality enahnces the storyline it makes for wonderful entertainment. When the physicality is there just for the sake of being there, it does not entertain me or hold my interest. I watch "Sports Entertainment." If i cared about the true sportsmanship and athleticism of it I ould be watching Real true wrestling.

Anyways, long story short, TNA did not dissapoint me last night at all. I hope they can continue the momentum and build up more of the entertaining aspects they have been doing as of late. It really had a bit of a WCW feel last night and that is something i have missed for the last few years. Hopefully WWE will come up with some new and entertaining storylines soon as well. Just my 2 cents worth and im sure some may agree and some will flame me for it but its all good.
 
I would like to see WWE end the 2 brands and combine everything again, but at the same time, it would create a bottleneck at the main event level. It would at least create some new matchups in the short term, and allow the belts (particularly the world championship) to have some meaning again.
 
Main event for NXT is Miz & Daniel Bryan vs. R-Truth & Otunga.

What's sad is that NXT featuring 8 rookies, 7 midcarders, and Jericho is regularly at or beating TNA Impcat featuring Hogan, Flair, Sting, Angle, Nash, Hall, Waltman, Anderson, Styles, etc.

It actually scored a 0.98 rounded to a 1.0, a 12 percent drop from last Thursday's Impact that was taped almost a month ago.

Spike TV is saying that they expect the iMPACT rating to go up when numbers from DVR viewing are up. They believe a "significant portion" of the audience will watch iMPACT on DVR.

- if that's the case, why go live?

Impact Tapings 3/15
Nasty Boys & Jimmy Hart defeated 3-D (Brother Devon, Brother Ray, & Brother Runt) when Hart pinned Ray after a helmet shot. Afterwards Team 3D & Jesse Neal put Saggs through a table.
Kurt Angle & D'Angelo Dinero defeated Desmond Wolfe & Ken Anderson when Pope rolled up Wolfe. Big brawl afterwards left Angle busted open.
Angelina Love defeated Daffney by DQ when The Beautiful People interfered.
Nash and Hall were supposed to have a "Five Minute Challenge", but Waltman interfered to cuff Nash to the ropes. 2 on 1 until EY made the save.
Hogan called out Sting to explain himself, but RVD jumped Sting on his way to the ring.
Beer Money defeated Hernandez in a handicap match with the DWI. Jarrett was the special referee, leading to a post match beatdown.
Foley & Bischoff came out as Bischoff said he was going to clean up Foley with a haircut. Foley gave Bischoff the Claw instead and shaved his head.

Main event hasn't happened yet, but it's going to be AJ Styles vs. Jeff Hardy.
 
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[quote name='JJSP']

What's sad is that NXT featuring 8 rookies, 7 midcarders, and Jericho is regularly at or beating TNA Impcat featuring Hogan, Flair, Sting, Angle, Nash, Hall, Waltman, Anderson, Styles, etc.
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I'd consider it sad too, except that I actually look forward to watching NXT at this point. It may be because it's still new, but I surprisingly enjoyed the first couple of shows.

I loosely watched 4 hours of wrestling last night and there wasn't anything there that held my attention for more than 30 minutes, collectively.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']I guess the promise land that Hogan promised to take TNA is the wasteland where WCW ended up.[/QUOTE]
Yes. Because success is achieved instantly.
 
Brak's snarkily right.

The 1/4 episode was "bigger" because it was TNA's first attempt at Monday night programming.

This will take time to build indeed. TNA has a shot, and a 1.0 isn't anything that bad - it's TNA's 3-year-running baseline. WCW Nitro didn't overtake WWF Monday Night Raw until 1997, nearly 2.5 years after its debut. Then you had the nWo, in large part, to thank for it.

WCW did a lot of the same thing TNA is doing now. Remember 13 years ago when a Piper/Hogan main event was snidely (and accurately) called "Age in the Cage"?

TNA is finding its identity. I understand its aggravating to watch a product with such wrestling talent be held down by writers who are slaves to minute-by-minute ratings. It's terrible that rather than building to the future (you gonna keep Hogan and Flair in the main event scene in 2012? 2013? 2014?), they've done the opposite, and freak out, genuinely (this never ceases to shock me) fretting over minute-to-minute ratings. Its aggravating that a 7-year-old company has had its promise go unfulfilled for so long because of writers and bookers that don't care about putting on any wrestling matches, and writers and bookers who are plugging away at the same script and production style that ran its course by 1999-2000. TNA needs to get writers in there who want to change up how wrestling shows are assembled and produced - to give them something unique that gets people talking. I'm not falling for the smark fallacy that a 25-minute Desmond Wolfe/AJ Styles match will bring in ratings; I simply mean that the "wrestling as crash tv" production style is played out and doesn't draw interest. The 1.0 baseline appears to be as low as wrestling programs will go on tv anymore, whether TNA or ECW. I think, therefore, we've identified the portion of the fanbase who is so maniacally loyal that they won't stop watching no matter how atrocious the product is.

The next boom period will only come from a promotion who radically reimagines how pro wrestling shows should be presented and constructed. Of TNA or WWE, whoever is the first to do it will also be the first to help move wrestling into its next period of widespread mainstream acceptance.

But I'm not holding my breath on TNA changing ever until I read that Russo has been shitcanned, and I don't see WWE changing until their stock (literally) drops precipitously.

EDIT: Here's a metaphor for you. TNA's booking style right now is the pro wrestling equivalent of a porno video that's nothing but a collection of cumshots, one right after another. Sure, it's kinda entertaining, and maybe you pop for a porn star who you recognize. But ultimately you realize that you're not really watching compelling programming; just a bunch of people lining up to get cum in their eye.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
EDIT: Here's a metaphor for you. TNA's booking style right now is the pro wrestling equivalent of a porno video that's nothing but a collection of cumshots, one right after another. Sure, it's kinda entertaining, and maybe you pop for a porn star who you recognize. But ultimately you realize that you're not really watching compelling programming; just a bunch of people lining up to get cum in their eye.[/QUOTE]

That is one of the most disgusting things I've read in some time... Well done! :)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']EDIT: Here's a metaphor for you. TNA's booking style right now is the pro wrestling equivalent of a porno video that's nothing but a collection of cumshots, one right after another. Sure, it's kinda entertaining, and maybe you pop for a porn star who you recognize. But ultimately you realize that you're not really watching compelling programming; just a bunch of people lining up to get cum in their eye.[/QUOTE]

Anyone here watch the earliest TNA stuff, from the weekly PPVs? I mean, has it ALWAYS been like that, or did they at least try showing the whole porno first, before becoming cumshot central?

Jebus, I think I just weirded myself out.

OK, reworded less disgustingly: Did this happen with the hiring of Russo, or has it been this way the whole time?
 
[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']Anyone here watch the earliest TNA stuff, from the weekly PPVs? I mean, has it ALWAYS been like that, or did they at least try showing the whole porno first, before becoming cumshot central?

Jebus, I think I just weirded myself out.

OK, reworded less disgustingly: Did this happen with the hiring of Russo, or has it been this way the whole time?[/QUOTE]

I watched TNA at the beginning and from I remember, it wasn't like that. The only highlights were the X-Division matches though, which were a lot better back then. The main event scene was atrocious. I think one week they had Jarrett vs. Road Dogg.
 
[quote name='BoSoxFan900']Heath Slater is really fucking annoying. The hair swinging shit needs to stop, now.[/QUOTE]

worst guy on NXT. carlito made that match.

daniel bryan was on fire tonight. the dropkick almost made daniel bryan break his own neck.

nxt develops its stories better than tna.
 
[quote name='Blackout']I watched TNA at the beginning and from I remember, it wasn't like that. The only highlights were the X-Division matches though, which were a lot better back then. The main event scene was atrocious. I think one week they had Jarrett vs. Road Dogg.[/QUOTE]



I've watched it since the weekly PPV days, back then they would show topless girls like Lollipop the cage dancer one episode, they also had a faction called s.e.x. But when Raven came in and had that run with Jarrett, it was pretty damn good. Also the run Raven had with Sabu in Nashville was done very well also.


On a NXT note, poor Carlito. The dude hasn't won a match on tv OR house shows all year, and now he does the clean job to some no name rookie.
 
When TNA wasn't crash tv, it was the Jeff Jarrett show. He rightly earned every "Triple J!" chant the crowd threw at him.

TNA's had promise every step of the way, and has managed to never utilize it at a level even beginning to approach "acceptable," let alone successful.
 
I've seen TNA's stuff since the first PPVs, and while they weren't exactly perfect (for Christ's sake, they had wrestling penises and midgets jacking off in trash cans), but there was definitely a wrestling-centric focus to the show. Since Russo became the head writer in October of '06, the whole "wrestling" side of things has taken a backseat to angles.
 
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