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[quote name='chasemurata']Take it up the ass from Pat Patterson?[/QUOTE]

Nothing like using anti-gay innuendo to take a stab at someone for being racist, eh? :roll:

[quote name='BustaUppa']"Pulling the plug" worked last week, but it was pretty overdone this time. It also represented some sloppy writing, since the idea wasn't supposed to be that the house lights got shut off last week - just that the BROADCAST was cut and the home viewers got gypped out of the ending. CONSISTENCY, people!!!

And what they're doing with Adamle is great - I just hope they employ a WEE bit of subtlety here. It's gonna get old quick if Adamle just cracks bad jokes and Lawler goes "uhhhhhh" the whole time. They gotta tone it down because they were really beating us over the head with it in the segment this week. They gotta give the viewers SOME credit... especially when it's a semi-"smart" angle to begin with.[/QUOTE]

I wholly disagree that the stuff with Adamle is great, but that's a matter of opinion. Simply put, WWE's message is "can you **BELIEVE** how bad our prograaming is!?!?!?" via using him the way they do.

That aside, WWE is never subtle. They read 'net nerd reports - they claim not to, but you know they do. They know what works and what doesn't (in a sense, I suppose). But when they find something that works, they overdo it to the extreme. They take what was awesome, beat it and use it and abuse it until it's beyond dead - so much so that it's unlikely to be reusable in the future (unlike Jim Cornette's "7 Year" axiom in wrestling storylines).

There's nothing subtle about WWE. The replays they overuse (a replay? Really? For something I saw from four different angles three minutes ago before the commercial break?), the storylines they push - they don't suggest how you're supposed to feel about the product and its characters: WWE bludgeons you over the head until you not only get the point, but are rendered numb and/or unconscious by how boring the show becomes as a thoroughly redundant reminder of what is important.

That's something I have a problem with about their programming: the way the show is produced and presented, the show *assumes* that you're a complete and utter drool-cup needing moron. There's no subtlety to anything at all. Nothing rewarding from thinking you have figured out a complex storyline; nothing that requires you to think.

[quote name='JaytheGamefan']Josh Mathews is still employed[/QUOTE]

No shit?
 
Fun show with a good opener, and excellent commentary by Morrison and Miz, who added a lot to the bland main event.

Quotes -
Adamle - Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a lot of people have been asking me about what happened last… Tuesday night, and why my sudden departure from the broadcasting table. First of all, let me just say that I lost my cool and I need to apologize. Number 1, to my partner, tremendous wrestler, Tazz, I didn’t mean to leave you in the lurch, and I also apologize for all of you, the great ECW fans. I have been a broadcaster longer than most of you have been alive, I played in the NFL for 7 years, commentated for 9 more, called 11 different Olympic games, and yes, I was the host of American Gladiators. I had no idea how hard this job was, and how great the ECW fans are. Have I made mistakes? Yes, I’ll be the first to admit that. I’ve got a group of stars in the back who tell me when I screw up. I love the WWE, and I love working for the ECW. I will do everything in my power to be as professional as I can, and to give you the best product that I can. Despise me if you will, but enjoy the 100th episode of ECW on Sci-Fi, thanks for listening! (fans boo)
Adamle, Stevie, you wrestled in the very first ECW match.
Stevie - Yes, I did. February 23rd, 1992.
Tazz - Wow, I didn’t know that, and I know many things
(after a Knox clothesline)Adamle - HAVE MERCY!
Adamle - EXTREME GARBAGE CAN TO THE FACE! HAVE MERCY!
(Knox does Kaz’s finisher)Adamle - THE MIKE KNOX OUT!
Adamle - Backdrop through the picnic table!
Adamle - What shakes like jelly jelly? KELLY KELLY! She’s never looked hotter!
Lena - Chuck, it looks like you got…as good as you gave.
Palumbo - Punk, you get in my face again, AND I’M KNOCKING YOU OUT!
(on Kofi)Adamle - Shelton, can you beat this man?
Shelton - That’s like asking if you can stay here for the entire broadcast - of course I can.
Shelton - Jamaican me crazy - I love it!
Adamle - The extreme educator may be in for a few lessons here.
Shelton - Kofi’s got 2 wins over me - that’s something rare.
Adamle - Five days ago on SD, Estrada was on and demanded a match between Colin and Vladimir Kozlov.
Tazz - Wow, I never realized our GM was so ripped and shredded! He looks phenomenal!
Adamle - He’s a former Cuban heavyweight champion, and he stopped wrestling in Cuba because there was no competition.
Tazz - ARMANDO LOOKS PHENOMENAL!
Estrada - YOU WANT A CONTRACT? YOU STUPID PUNK! I’M DA BOSS!
(Colin wins)Adamle - HAVE MERCY!
Tazz - Colin, come here! CONTRAGULATIONS MAN! WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY FOR YOURSELF!?
Colin - TAZZ, I DID IT! THIS IS WHAT MAKES IT ALL WORTH IT! I WANNA THANK EVERYONE WHO HAS SUPPORTED ME! I WANNA THANK TOMMY DREAMER, WHO HAS BEEN MY MENTOR, AND EVERYONE WHO’S DOUBTED ME, BECAUSE THEY’RE THE ONES WHO KEEP ME COMING OUT HERE EVERY WEEK!
Miz - I brought Tazz a chick magnet T-shirt.
Adamle - Where’s mine?
Miz - They don’t make them in kids sizes.
Morrison - Chavo’s been giving Neely wrestling tips, and tips on his facial hair.
Morrison - I hate pretty much everything about CM Punk - his lifestyle, his facial hair, his tattoos, and his kick pads.
Morrison - This is the 100th episode - it’s kind of a big deal.
Morrison - You can’t even see my red boots - people are jealous.
Tazz - Sorry for interrupting you while I was talking, Miz.
Miz - I’ll interrupt you whenever I want - I AM THE MIZ! Watch the dirt sheet, the Tazz.
Adamle - HAVE MERCY!
Miz - DID YOU JUST SAY HAVE MERCY!?
Adamle - HAVE MERCY!
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Nothing like using anti-gay innuendo to take a stab at someone for being racist, eh? :roll:[/quote]

Apologies on the confusion, but I did not mean it as anti-gay innuendo; just general gay innuendo. Just because I use gay innuendo does not mean I dislike gays. Just for reference, I have gay friends and am often confused as being gay. I am far from "anti-gay."

Also, confusion I caused aside, Hayes should still be fired. Unlike my confusion, Hayes did so in a professional setting, and meant it to be offensive.
 
Fair enough. I'm an unapologetic member of the PC police, but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

I watched "Reaper" and "Ace of Cakes" from 10-11 tonight instead of ECW. Any '100th episode' hijinks or surprises, or more of the same old bullshit?
 
It was telling that all of the moments taking a look back at the past 100 episodes, save for Striker getting a cake to the face, heavily featured guys who are no longer in the company. Other than that, it was a solid show. Nothing really amazing, but aside from Kelly's Expose nothing stood out as necessarily *bad*, either. I liked the liberal use of guest commentators tonight, as it gives guys some time to work on their mic skills, builds up their feuds, and keeps Adamle off the air.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Fair enough. I'm an unapologetic member of the PC police, but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

I watched "Reaper" and "Ace of Cakes" from 10-11 tonight instead of ECW. Any '100th episode' hijinks or surprises, or more of the same old bullshit?[/quote]

Fair enough, sir. :)

Also, Ace of Cakes! Wee! Duff's laugh is infectious. :D
 
Nice to see an actual old school ECW match for once. Wish they would do more of that. Also gotta love Miz and Morrison doing commentary. Other then those 2 things the show was pretty bland.
 
[quote name='bornrunnin31']I'm also tempted to look for tickets for this Monday's RAW in Detroit[/QUOTE]

I didn't even know it would be there. Maybe I'll go.
 
[quote name='chasemurata']Or possibly some new air to breathe, maybe? I get it, they are "big WWE stars" and blah blah blah, but simply rotating the same group of people into the World title picture is boring. Part of the problem is WWE doesn't anymore seem to like the idea of building up people as possible credible World champions. If Regal enters a feud with Kennedy, he probably won't receive a World title shot, and will disappear from the upper-card yet again. Jeff Hardy was on his way, but, well, I guess he just loves drugs more. But yes, the World title picture needs something new, and hopefully that breath of fresh-air is Regal.[/QUOTE]

Regal vs Kennedy can easily be turned into an number one contenders match if it were to take place at Judgement Day. So in either case we'll have an fresh person entering in the World Title picture for the "extreme rules" match at One Night Stand. Either that or CM Punk can cash in his Money In The Bank at One Night Stand against whomever (HHH/Orton).
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Regal vs Kennedy can easily be turned into an number one contenders match if it were to take place at Judgement Day.[/QUOTE]

That's a pretty good idea, actually.
 
XPW "A COLD DAY IN HELL"
Saturday, May 24th - Redondo Beach, CA

Barbed Wire/No Ropes/Beds Of Everything
Supreme vs. The Necro Butcher

Tag Team War
Sabu & Homeless Jimmy vs. Raven & "White Trash" Johnny Webb

SoCal Challenge - XPW vs. Revolution Pro
After XPW, many the Rev Pro wrestlers featured in the company (Disco Machine, Excalibur, and Super Dragon) would go on to form Pro Wrestling Guerrilla. But now, for one night only, AWC will pull back together a team of Rev Pro alumni to battle 3 XPW alumni in a battle all about pride. Who will step up for each side?

Vampiro vs. Kaos

The Gangstas (New Jack & Mustafa) vs. Chronic & Big Rott

GQ Money vs. "The Hardcore Homo" Angel

More to be announced, featuring Pogo The Clown, Sandman, Luke Hawx, and more.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Regal vs Kennedy can easily be turned into an number one contenders match if it were to take place at Judgement Day. So in either case we'll have an fresh person entering in the World Title picture for the "extreme rules" match at One Night Stand. Either that or CM Punk can cash in his Money In The Bank at One Night Stand against whomever (HHH/Orton).[/quote]


but the major issue is who wins, kennedy still needs a major victory as his "IM BACK" sign, but regal is going far as the top heel right now... so, who would win?

i'd prefer kennedy, thats just a personal preference anyway though.
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']but the major issue is who wins, kennedy still needs a major victory as his "IM BACK" sign, but regal is going far as the top heel right now... so, who would win?[/QUOTE]

That's the point! They both really need it, so it's an ideal match to book! The fans can see it going both ways!

Which is why it's ultimately a vastly better idea than Triple H or John Cena as champion, because you know they're gonna run roughshod all over the competition. Like the fuckin' Edge/Undertaker feud. That feud sucks, because UT wins every match.
 
Regarding the Legends game, I wonder if they will just use all the Legends from the SvR games or if they will actually add new guys in.

Who are some of the bigger ones they haven't used yet? I know there's Savage, Warrior, and Demolition. I don't think Steamboat or Tito Santana have been in a game yet. Who else is there?
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']Regarding the Legends game, I wonder if they will just use all the Legends from the SvR games or if they will actually add new guys in.

Who are some of the bigger ones they haven't used yet? I know there's Savage, Warrior, and Demolition. I don't think Steamboat or Tito Santana have been in a game yet. Who else is there?[/QUOTE]
Honky Tonk Man is the big one that comes to mind. Yokozuna would be rad too.
 
I think Savage is out for certain because he isn't under a WWE or Jakks "legends" contract. That I know of, at least.

The easy thing to do is look at everyone who has had a "classic superstar" figure made of them and whittle the list down from guys who won't be in the game for certain (e.g., Buddy Rogers, Johnny Rodz).
 
I almost wish it was just a Legends game, period. Being titled "Legends of Wrestlemania" leaves the door open for them to include Cena, Orton, HHH, etc.
 
According to Lordsofpain.net
-- Shane Douglas was telling people at a wrestling convention this past weekend that he rejected WWE's offer to be an announcer for ECW.
Click to expand...

apparently working at target (last i heard he was doing), is better than a wwe job. of course he could be full of shit, but im sure that isnt the case...:roll:
 
If you're Shane Douglas, probably.

I have a feeling they didn't offer him a job anyway; he's somewhere on the level (but not quite) as Jeff Jarrett in WWE's eyes.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']I almost wish it was just a Legends game, period. Being titled "Legends of Wrestlemania" leaves the door open for them to include Cena, Orton, HHH, etc.[/quote]

I would say taker would have to be in it if cena or orton or hhh was. I hope it is like a whole new game instead of smackdown vs raw with just legends. :roll:
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']According to Lordsofpain.net


apparently working at target (last i heard he was doing), is better than a wwe job. of course he could be full of shit, but im sure that isnt the case...:roll:[/quote]

You think he put "First ever ECW Heavyweight champion" on his résumé?
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']You think he put "First ever ECW Heavyweight champion" on his résumé?[/quote]

Yes, right under "kayfabe dated Torrie Wilson".
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']Yes, right under "kayfabe dated Torrie Wilson".[/quote]


Hell, I'd have no problem with a Kayfabe ass tapping.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']You think he put "First ever ECW Heavyweight champion" on his résumé?[/quote]


nah, im sure he mentioned that he was a former IC champion instead. ya know for a whole like 16 minutes.
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']nah, im sure he mentioned that he was a former IC champion instead. ya know for a whole like 16 minutes.[/quote]

Then he'd have to acknowledge that he wrestled as "Dean Douglas" in the WWE. And you know gotta know that he hated that gimmick with a passion.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']Then he'd have to acknowledge that he wrestled as "Dean Douglas" in the WWE. And you know gotta know that he hated that gimmick with a passion.[/QUOTE]

Heh. I like how that creative meeting must have gone.

"So, tell us about yourself."

"Well, I'm relatively good looking, in peak physical condition, I'm a complete asshole, and I'm totally into myself."

"Hmm...anything else?"

"Well, I have a master's degree that I never really use..."

"HOLD IT! I GOT IT! YOU'LL BE AN EVIL TEACHER! I HATE TEACHERS!"

"shit."

EDIT: In retrospect, this may be a laughable question, but I'm thinking it and asking it anyway. Who is the better heel: Shane "The Franchise" Douglas or Triple H? At their respective best, of course. Triple H's promos never really did anything for me in terms of convincing me that this guy is a big jerk and needs to be stopped. OTOH, the very first time I saw ECW, I was flipping channels 14 or so years ago, and saw Shane Douglas calling Terry fuck an "old sonofabitch" to his face, with Sherry Martel in the background, I think. I vaguely remembered Douglas from his various stints, and his behavior SHOCKED me. Considering what WWF and WCW were like in 1994, it's easy to see why this was the case. But I was not only caught up in watching as much ECW as I could, I wanted to see every sonofabitch in the house beat up Douglas. I didn't care who it was. The Philly crowd hated him with a passion too.

I'm not ready to say Douglas was better at getting heat than Triple H; part of it could be an age effect. I was 15 when I started watching ECW, and by the time Triple H began his first superman title run, I was over 21 and wiser to the biz. I dunno, sometimes Douglas doesn't get credit, I feel, for the innovation he brought to wrestling. Instead, people remember Dean Douglas and the Dynamic Dudes.
 
I think this was on Nitro (possibly a PPV) when Douglas would say the name of the town they were in before coming through the curtain. They were in NC and Douglas bellows "SAGINAW, MI!!!", a long pause and then "CHARLOTTE, NC!!!". Classic.:lol:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Heh. I like how that creative meeting must have gone.

"So, tell us about yourself."

"Well, I'm relatively good looking, in peak physical condition, I'm a complete asshole, and I'm totally into myself."

"Hmm...anything else?"

"Well, I have a master's degree that I never really use..."

"HOLD IT! I GOT IT! YOU'LL BE AN EVIL TEACHER! I HATE TEACHERS!"

"shit."

EDIT: In retrospect, this may be a laughable question, but I'm thinking it and asking it anyway. Who is the better heel: Shane "The Franchise" Douglas or Triple H? At their respective best, of course. Triple H's promos never really did anything for me in terms of convincing me that this guy is a big jerk and needs to be stopped. OTOH, the very first time I saw ECW, I was flipping channels 14 or so years ago, and saw Shane Douglas calling Terry fuck an "old sonofabitch" to his face, with Sherry Martel in the background, I think. I vaguely remembered Douglas from his various stints, and his behavior SHOCKED me. Considering what WWF and WCW were like in 1994, it's easy to see why this was the case. But I was not only caught up in watching as much ECW as I could, I wanted to see every sonofabitch in the house beat up Douglas. I didn't care who it was. The Philly crowd hated him with a passion too.

I'm not ready to say Douglas was better at getting heat than Triple H; part of it could be an age effect. I was 15 when I started watching ECW, and by the time Triple H began his first superman title run, I was over 21 and wiser to the biz. I dunno, sometimes Douglas doesn't get credit, I feel, for the innovation he brought to wrestling. Instead, people remember Dean Douglas and the Dynamic Dudes.[/quote]

I'd tend to agree. Unfortunately I tuned into ECW about half-way into their existence (I think around 98 or so? Damn I feel so old..) so I missed a lot of the good Douglas stuff. I really wish I was around to see him declare himself as Extreme Championship Wrestling champion, but I doubt anyone in this thread saw that when it happened. Still, ECW made me proud to be a wrestling fan.. I had to tell all my friends about it. Whenever wrestling comes up in conversations, they seem to actually blame me for what Vince has done to ECW, kind of strange...

Oh one more thing I almost forgot... This is for you Zen:

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And this is for guyver (Wtf happened to him?)

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Between Douglas and Triple H, I'd give the slight nod to Douglas as being the better pure heel. Trips always comes off as the "I'm better than you, nyah nyah" heel, almost childish and unbelieveable. Not much of HHH as a heel is memorable save for a few Cactus Jack matches, as even his heelish DX stuff got over as a face. I can't call the guy a heel when people cheer for him.

Douglas gave birth to ECW when he threw down the NWA Title and called it a "dead promotion" (true or not, you've gotta believe he pissed off a lot of legends when he pulled that stunt). The problem with Douglas is that most of his best heel antics were directed at the industry itself and ended up getting himself over instead of getting heat.

Neither of them compare to Raven.

[quote name='Wrestling Observer Newsletter']
World Wrestling Entertainment has changed their drug testing procedure after the company got wind of some wrestlers cheating on drug tests by using a "Whizzinator." The "Whizzinator" is an easy to conceal urinating device with a realistic prosthetic penis that's used to defeat drug tests.

WWE has since fired a crew of people who were collectors for not monitoring things a bit more closely. WWE brought in a new crew of monitors to television and the new rule for talent is that you have to be nude "from your ankles to your nipples." This new testing procedure has left a lot of talent unhappy on two fronts.

Perhaps the biggest complaint is that it's not exactly fun for talent to have to take off their clothes in front of a monitor and then watch them urinate, especially from the people who were doing things fair and square. Also, there were some wrestlers getting by the drug tests thanks to the "Whizzinator," and that has obviously left the cheaters unhappy.

WWE believed they had to do it because if someone who cheated got laid off, he or she might brag about how easy it is to cheat the system.

The wrestler who apparently caused the new change in procedure is none other than WWE developmental wrestler Afa Anoa'i, Jr., who currently wrestles for Florida Championship Wrestling. Anoa'i is the son of WWE Hall of Famer Afa, younger brother of former WWF tag team champion Samu, and of course, cousin of Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, who has spoken out numerous times in the past year against drug use in professional wrestling. If you recall, Afa Jr. was suspended back in March for a violation of WWE's drug testing policy. He didn't necessarily fail a drug test, but was caught cheating on one with a "Whizzinator." As a result, he was suspended for 30 days.[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='cdubb1605']anyone else think the next wrestling topic should be the "we're sorry guyver-wrestling thread" ;)[/quote]
That's what he gets for not taking the initiative? In other words, nothing was stopping him from making his Goldberg thread. You snooze, you lose.
 
[quote name='chasemurata']Or possibly some new air to breathe, maybe? I get it, they are "big WWE stars" and blah blah blah, but simply rotating the same group of people into the World title picture is boring. Part of the problem is WWE doesn't anymore seem to like the idea of building up people as possible credible World champions. If Regal enters a feud with Kennedy, he probably won't receive a World title shot, and will disappear from the upper-card yet again. Jeff Hardy was on his way, but, well, I guess he just loves drugs more. But yes, the World title picture needs something new, and hopefully that breath of fresh-air is Regal.[/QUOTE]This post made me think about how many main-event level guys the WWE has lost over the past few years. Sure, incompetent booking is mostly to blame for the redundant main event scene - but extracurricular factors have done their share of damage as well. Consider the following:

RVD - They briefly pushed him and he actually won the damn WWE title! Then he got (publicly) busted for pot and that was that. Slowly drifted from the main event scene and retired of his own accord shortly afterwards.

Angle - Proof that they somewhat cared about ECW when they first started it. After putting him over damn near everyone over the years, he was established as a guy who could be in any main event at any time and be credible. Released under strange circumstances and then headed straight to TNA.

Benoit - I think this is where they said "fuck it" and gave up on ECW

Eddie - Skyrocketed to main event worthiness (kayfabe) in late '03. Apparently on his way to a second WWE title reign when he went out. Could easily be inserted into any main event title picture if he were still around

Jeff Hardy - still in WWE, at least. Anything is possible, but he was total main event material when he fumbled things up majorly.

Lashley - love him or hate him, they invested a lot in him and he at least briefly mixed up the main events when they had him fight Cena. In light of recent news, it is definitely WWE's "own fault" that he's gone, all I'm saying is that he wasn't a victim of incompetent booking.

Booker - Kind of another "RVD" here. Floundered around for years and then finally got that main event program and a World Title. I enjoyed the hell out of "King Booker" but Wellness got the last laugh. :whistle2:(

And if you wanna back it up a couple more years, you can throw Brock and Goldberg in there too. Damn! One can only hope that the Regal and Kennedy experiments proceed without incident...
 
[quote name='lmz00']That's what he gets for not taking the initiative? In other words, nothing was stopping him from making his Goldberg thread. You snooze, you lose.[/quote]Pfft, bullshit and you know it, if you've been around this thread for any length of time.
 
[quote name='lmz00']That's what he gets for not taking the initiative? In other words, nothing was stopping him from making his Goldberg thread. You snooze, you lose.[/quote]

Sounds rough but I agree. Taking your ball and going home just because you didn't get to make a particular topic? Please.:roll: To reiterate, the topic of the thread MEANS NOTHING.
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']stuff[/quote]

If anything, this also underlines all of the secondary problems that ECW had. Now, to be fair, let's assume that ECW was always destined to fail, simply because Vince didn't know what to do with it.

Now, look also at what happened every time they wanted to reboot it.

RVD was in place to be the main star. He gets busted for pot and demoted indefinitely.

Angle is brought in... does little, and leaves WWE shortly afterwards.

Benoit is brought in... and well, you know.

Each time they brought in a credible guy to 'reboot' the brand, *something* happened. The only two that worked were Show (who, though good in ECW, was extremely out of shape and burnt out on the business. He was a stop-gap, no more.) and Lashley, who only became an ECW star because he didn't want to work under Michael Hayes anymore, but was too green to immediately jump to Raw.

I always think about that... what if RVD had never gotten busted? What if Angle had gotten a lighter schedule and *really* worked in ECW? What if Benoit hadn't snapped and become ECW champion that night?

EACH instance could have actually had an outcome that may have led to a watchable and MUCH better ECW. Hell, maybe if RVD was headlining, the originals wouldn't have been pushed out so quickly? So, again, I feel it was likely always going to fail in general... but there were mitigating circumstances behind nearly EVERY major star that was to be the focal point of the brand.

I have to agree... after Benoit, I feel they just sort of gave up on it.
 
There are no distinct differences between the "brands" and that makes the Smackdown and ECW "brands" struggle because they are trying to out-WWE RAW... it makes no difference about the reboots or drafts or whatever.. It makes no sense... If you are going to treat them separately then keep the rosters seperate. If not.. there is no reason to have 3 different shows...
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']This post made me think about how many main-event level guys the WWE has lost over the past few years. Sure, incompetent booking is mostly to blame for the redundant main event scene - but extracurricular factors have done their share of damage as well. Consider the following:

RVD - They briefly pushed him and he actually won the damn WWE title! Then he got (publicly) busted for pot and that was that. Slowly drifted from the main event scene and retired of his own accord shortly afterwards.

Angle - Proof that they somewhat cared about ECW when they first started it. After putting him over damn near everyone over the years, he was established as a guy who could be in any main event at any time and be credible. Released under strange circumstances and then headed straight to TNA.

Benoit - I think this is where they said "fuck it" and gave up on ECW

Eddie - Skyrocketed to main event worthiness (kayfabe) in late '03. Apparently on his way to a second WWE title reign when he went out. Could easily be inserted into any main event title picture if he were still around

Jeff Hardy - still in WWE, at least. Anything is possible, but he was total main event material when he fumbled things up majorly.

Lashley - love him or hate him, they invested a lot in him and he at least briefly mixed up the main events when they had him fight Cena. In light of recent news, it is definitely WWE's "own fault" that he's gone, all I'm saying is that he wasn't a victim of incompetent booking.

Booker - Kind of another "RVD" here. Floundered around for years and then finally got that main event program and a World Title. I enjoyed the hell out of "King Booker" but Wellness got the last laugh. :whistle2:(

And if you wanna back it up a couple more years, you can throw Brock and Goldberg in there too. Damn! One can only hope that the Regal and Kennedy experiments proceed without incident...[/quote]

You're right. I forgot to consider those who recently left the company. I suppose right now WWE is going through a "re-building" stage with their main-event picture. :)
 
[quote name='Wrestling Observer Newsletter']It has just come out that SmackDown head writer Michael Hayes was not shy about making Ku Klux Klan-related jokes in company meetings. One source said, "He was not shy about making jokes about white hoods, etc., in agent meetings." Also, if you've ever wondered why there are no minority road agents in WWE, the source added, "Look at the environment. Not one person of color in the agent meetings, only Butch Reed, who lasted two days. Trust me, Hayes was not the only one in that room to make comments like that. His problem is that when he drinks, he loses the ability to edit himself, and he's been known to be belligerent on pretty much every flight he takes. I'm assuming he'll have to go to rehab before he comes back, but for a publicly traded company to have a VP confirmed having used a racial slur is a big PR nightmare."[/quote]

At company meetings?! Really, WWE? Really now? This story needs national news coverage. Someone submit it to the proper places. This just makes the WWE Kids magazine effort all the more funnier.

[quote name='DJSteel']There are no distinct differences between the "brands" and that makes the Smackdown and ECW "brands" struggle because they are trying to out-WWE RAW... it makes no difference about the reboots or drafts or whatever.. It makes no sense... If you are going to treat them separately then keep the rosters seperate. If not.. there is no reason to have 3 different shows...[/quote]

While I agree how all three shows suffer because they do not differ from each other in content, I do like having three separate shows. If used properly, it allows three different main-event champions and the ability to build-up more wrestlers. Unfortunately, WWE is the one using this idea. Thus, suckage.
 
Today's Observer site news update - http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=22813

It's got more on Torrie's release (which isn't shocking in the least given that she was told to retire), more on the attack to Gregory Helms, information about how to send get well wishes to RVD's wife, a good update on Superstar Billy Graham (he's back doing autograph sessions), and a link to a Flair tribute vid located at www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqCmk8kC9X0

Some shoot interviews.

Jim Cornette - RF Video
http://www.sendspace.com/file/wv30aq

Vince Russo - RF Video
http://www.sendspace.com/file/pi9h0b
 
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