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I can't believe Bryan Danielson is getting such a huge push... I mean, just last week he was "fired" and working indy shows, then last night he main events a major WWE PPV? Amazing.
 
That's another problem... Cena doesn't put anyone over on the mic, either. Really, he just buries people. I understand that it's their idea of comedy, but it makes his opponents look terrible.

Really, if you can't beat Cena in the ring or on the mic... that's a problem.
 
[quote name='007']That's another problem... Cena doesn't put anyone over on the mic, either. Really, he just buries people. I understand that it's their idea of comedy, but it makes his opponents look terrible.

Really, if you can't beat Cena in the ring or on the mic... that's a problem.[/QUOTE]

Elaborate, please. Cena's mic work is there - it's not *bad*, but I can't think of anything particularly memorable or exceptional. So I'm kind of at a loss for your point, particularly because Cena's mic work doesn't really bring anything to mind for me.
 
whoever fights bret hart will lose.....so i see darren young thinking he got the easy route and hart dynasty or something interferring and causing him the match...
 
Uuuuuuuuugh. They're wasting the long-term potential of the Nexus storyline. The Nexus roster's going to dwindle down to nothing before much longer unless they all win their matches or unless the fact that they get removed from the group is another Bryan Danielson caliber work.

And now there are stupid "guest hosts" who nobody gives a crap about. Crap.
 
smartest move WWE has made in a WHILE....made no damn sense to not have 1 damn title

*black cena's look in the background is well worth watching raw...*
 
I'm fully expecting Cole to blow Miz on Raw one of these days. They can even announce it with the guest GM.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Elaborate, please. Cena's mic work is there - it's not *bad*, but I can't think of anything particularly memorable or exceptional. So I'm kind of at a loss for your point, particularly because Cena's mic work doesn't really bring anything to mind for me.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, was on my phone, so it was a half-formed thought as it was.

Anyway, my point was nothing to do with Cena's mic work being bad in a general sense, I just completely disagree with the decision to let him continually run down his opponents in a way that buries them. The Nexus thing was a perfect example... they already lost, and then they devoted 5-7 minutes to Cena individually making jokes of each member. It wasn't necessary, and just gets Cena cheap pops that he doesn't need.

Where I see the problem with that is the stuff like the 'Wendy's' thing, or when he would refer to Sheamus as the 'human jar of mayonnaise'... these are catchy things that have the potential to stick with an opponent. This wouldn't be a huge problem, except that very few people ever get to go over Cena, whether it's in the ring or on the mic. There's really no opportunity to disprove his jokes and get heat back. The Nexus is already a joke at this point, and that segment didn't help.

What it goes back to is that there isn't really a 'back and forth' with Cena. You don't get to respond to him... you take it, and then don't really get to respond in a way that zings him back. Just like the matches, there's very little opportunity to get a leg up on Cena, which just adds to that air of 'Super Cena'.

I realize that wrestling has always been about running down the opponent, but I just outwardly disagree with how they let Cena verbally steamroll his opponents, since they generally have no opportunity to make him look bad in return. To me, the great feuds are the ones where the opponents bring out the best in each other and are viewed as equals... and I can't remember the last time I felt that way about anything Cena has been involved in. He's more and more reminding me of a cocky heel, but without the cathartic moment of anyone ever making him shut the fuck up.

... I went into like four different points there, but that shouldn't surprise you by now. I'll just hope it made sense. :lol:
 
I'm a huge nerd for title belts. I can't wait to get a good look at the new tag belts. I didn't see any kind of colors, they looked almost old-timey. I wouldn't mind a rehaul on all the titles, not the least of which is that God-awful spinner. This is the official site of the guy who makes the belts for WWE: http://chipster.us/phpwebsite/

(I swear, that's the actual site of the guy WWE does business with.)

As you can instantly tell, it's complete garbage and the guy is an incredible dick. His work is obviously respectable, but I've heard virtually nothing positive about him otherwise. Who would look at that and want to hire him?

I've read a lot of stories from customers who order titles for huge amounts of money and get them years later and it's not what they ordered, if they even get them at all, and look at how worked up he gets just thinking about people asking what he's doing with their thousands of dollars. It's unreal how anyone can be like that and expect work.

Conversely, a guy by the name of Reggie Parks made the old-school WWE, WCW, NWA, AWA titles and countless others is vastly superior in every way. If you're into this sort of thing, check out what he's done because some of it is downright mesmerizing. Because he actually serves his customers and does custom belts, there are tons of awesome and unique titles to look at: http://www.midwestwrestling.com/championshipbelts/belts.htm
 
I'm just got in from a business meeting and saw Cena v. Black Cena. Did anything good happen tonight?

EDIT: King slipped and called Darren Young Daniel Bryan.
 
Me, I'd go ahead and just hit those 4 moves right at the start. Seems like that'd be easier, and save a lot of time.
 
[quote name='Survivalism']I'm a huge nerd for title belts. I can't wait to get a good look at the new tag belts. I didn't see any kind of colors, they looked almost old-timey. I wouldn't mind a rehaul on all the titles, not the least of which is that God-awful spinner. This is the official site of the guy who makes the belts for WWE: http://chipster.us/phpwebsite/

(I swear, that's the actual site of the guy WWE does business with.)

As you can instantly tell, it's complete garbage and the guy is an incredible dick. His work is obviously respectable, but I've heard virtually nothing positive about him otherwise. Who would look at that and want to hire him?

I've read a lot of stories from customers who order titles for huge amounts of money and get them years later and it's not what they ordered, if they even get them at all, and look at how worked up he gets just thinking about people asking what he's doing with their thousands of dollars. It's unreal how anyone can be like that and expect work.

Conversely, a guy by the name of Reggie Parks made the old-school WWE, WCW, NWA, AWA titles and countless others is vastly superior in every way. If you're into this sort of thing, check out what he's done because some of it is downright mesmerizing. Because he actually serves his customers and does custom belts, there are tons of awesome and unique titles to look at: http://www.midwestwrestling.com/championshipbelts/belts.htm[/QUOTE]

Dave Millican's work at www.davemillicanbelts.com is also fantastic. He's been heralded as being near Reggie's level, and Reggie and WWE had a falling out because WWE wanted to completely own all the designs for their '98 and beyond belts, and Reggie didn't want that because much of his income is from people wanting replicas that were either nearly exactly like the real belts or based on them and customized to suit their needs.
 
Cole: People are talking about the talent of Heath Slater!!!

my mind: Apparently you've never been on cheapassgamer.
 
This raw left me with kinda mad....because once again....WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE????

Two wins were by count out. There was only one good match....and that didn't count because Jericho is known to make ANYBODY look good!!! (Though Wade does his tough man skit well)

Weak link wise....it reminded me of the NWO on how they would beat people out. I wish this Darren Young beat down could have been more like Orton's when they were celebrating in the ring....and Batista facial expression turned and BOOM! It was O-V-E-R. That was a great moment that got covered up in a thick layer of dust because shortly Orton lost the title and then got injured.

I wish someone would have interfered in the match...say like Jericho...and possibly hit Young first accidently before attacking Cena and the ref just says its a double disqualification or no contest. That way Young could be a mortar.

Give him a shot at being a face before he wallows away into the indy scene. Lord knows now whatever they do.....it won't work out for him because people didn't like him in the first damn place at all!


And of course, while I know with the new merchandise and the movie coming out, that Cena would not turn heel....but damn, tonight was the BEST night for him to do so!!! He beat down the black version of himself and Nexus hit the apron. He could have jumped down, watched them whoop the shit outta him, and then hit his finisher. Next Raw he could do his Hogan spill about how he hated the fans and blah blah blah and couldn't stand anyone looking like him in the group. Wouldn't make the most sense storyline wise since Nexus did cost him his title....but it would be fun to watch!


I'm just waiting for the WWE to explain the purpose behind the Nexus other than them being a bunch of rookies mad at the world
 
[quote name='strongpimphand']I'm just waiting for the WWE to explain the purpose behind the Nexus other than them being a bunch of rookies mad at the world[/QUOTE]

Get a copy of War and Peace. In Braille. Then learn Braille. Then read it. You'll have plenty of time while waiting for a reasonable explanation for Nexus' motivation (or pretty much anything WWE does at this point).
 
[quote name='Scorch']WrestlingSuperstore already has a pre-order placeholder for it with a decent sized picture. I don't like it.

http://wrestlingsuperstore.com/wweworldheavyweightcommemorativebelt-1.aspx[/QUOTE]

It looks like someone went to an amusement park, stuck a penny in one of those machines that presses it into some design representing the park and decided to put it on a belt. Maybe there's a Clash of the Titans ride at an amusement park somewhere because that is what those belts looks like. :puke:
 
[quote name='darkdaze73']It looks like someone went to an amusement park, stuck a penny in one of those machines that presses it into some design representing the park and decided to put it on a belt. Maybe there's a Clash of the Titans ride at an amusement park somewhere because that is what those belts looks like. :puke:[/QUOTE]

You're right. It does look just like one of those pressed Pennies from six flags or wherever.

So the mystery GM tonight said that he doesn't like Bret Hart and he has never really liked Bret Hart. Is the Mystery GM and the Greater Power going to end up being the same person?
 
I'm ok with the color, but the two gladiator helmets on the belt are corn-on-the-cob bad.

Guess they're sticking with the same ol' WWE logo for at least a bit longer, since the medallions are covered in them.
 
Spoiler alert:
* Sheamus comes out to the ring. He says despite last week he is still the Celtic Warrior and he will defend the WWE Championship right now instead of at Night of Champions. Sheamus announces Zack Ryder as his opponent.
:applause:
 
Eh, I'll start caring about the tag belts once Creative does.

[quote name='lmz00']Spoiler alert:
* Sheamus comes out to the ring. He says despite last week he is still the Celtic Warrior and he will defend the WWE Championship right now instead of at Night of Champions. Sheamus announces Zack Ryder as his opponent.
:applause:[/QUOTE]

Zack loses.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']Eh, I'll start caring about the tag belts once Creative does.



Zack loses.
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I know, but I still think it's awesome that he gets a title shot. There's still hope for him. Nobody took Miz seriously three years ago, or even last year when he was being fed to Cena, for that matter, and look at him now.
 
Strikeforce's King Mo talked with Dave Meltzer recently and said that he will definitely be getting into pro wrestling at some point, as he's already accomplished one of his life's goals - becoming a world champion in MMA, and wants to accomplish another. He grew up idolizing Flair and one of his biggest thrills in life was meeting him, but was also a huge fan of Arn Anderson (GO MO!), Muta (GO MO!) and Booker T. He loved watching Mid South Wrestling (GO MO!) and he recognized that Goldberg's push in WCW was just a modified version of the one done for Magnum TA and Nikita Koloff.

Danielson stuff from the newest Figure 4 Weekly newsletter -
The big surprise on the show was the return of Bryan Danielson, back to using the name Daniel Bryan. I'm not sure when the deal was made but I do know that probably a month back I was told that indy promoters trying to book him for September were being told that his availability had suddenly become very limited. When WWE first fired him for choking ring announcer Justin Roberts with a tie during the first major NXT beatdown it seemed clear to me from the way they wrote him out of storylines that it was a real firing, but also a firing where Vince McMahon most likely knew he was going to probably bring him back sooner rather than later. Bryan told friends that he was fired for real and he didn't know what his future with WWE was going to be. He set up a website immediately to take indy bookings and sell t-shirts. He had to do a lot of hustling, and he wouldn't have had to do that if he knew he was only being taken off TV for two months to do an angle. The circumstances of the firing were very weird. Supposedly pressure was put on McMahon to fire him from someone in NBC Universal. Despite rumors, it wasn't anybody in Linda's campaign or anyone associated with Mattel. The way the situation was handled, with Bryan being told that he could do indy dates during his 90-day no-compete but that they were strongly advising him not to go to TNA when the 90 days expired, indicates to me that McMahon knew he was going to have to get rid of him for a period but was planning to bring him back all along, and didn't want that information going public. I do know that there were people in WWE who absolutely should have known the details if this whole thing was a work who were under the impression that it was not a work and had been strongly pushing for Vince to bring him back for the last several weeks. Gabe Sapolsky, who was among the first to hear about his firing, didn't know he was going back until he showed up at SummerSlam. He is being allowed to finish up his final dates for both Sapolsky's Dragon Gate and EVOLVE promotions (the latter of which was launched with the idea it would be built around Danielson before Danielson ended up signing with WWE). He is not being allowed to finish all of his dates, however. He was scheduled to work Mikey Whipwreck's NYWC shows, but pulled out of the SummerSlam weekend event a couple of weeks back citing "family commitments". He was supposed to work another NYWC show at the end of this month but WWE pulled him, wanting him on the road working WWE house shows. He never worked for ROH during his time away from WWE but ROH was planning to wait until his 90-day no-compete was up before bringing him in to work the TVs. It certainly was not a work in the traditional sense, but in the end it was a situation where he was never not under contract with the company and was being paid his downside the entire time he was gone.
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Since they taped next week's Raw, too, I have some spoiler thoughts on the set Night of Champions main event:

Night of Champions main event is a Six-Pack Challenge, with Sheamus, Orton, Cena, Barrett, Edge, and Jericho.

I admit that my dislike for multi-man title matches will coat this, but I can't help but look at this as either lazy, or PG, booking. Multi-man matches are the refuge of writers who couldn't come up with any better ideas for guys with nothing to do, and that's what makes this a shame.

Sheamus and Orton were obviously always going to be doing the title dance one more time, but the way they left Raw last night made it personal. To me, that perfectly set-up some kind of one on one, no-DQ, street fight kind of match... but they're going to be lost in the ring with 4 other guys. It's a shame, since after Summerslam, they left me wanting to see another singles match between these guys, but with the ante upped a bit. As it stands, this is a throwaway now. I'd be hopeful that we get back to it, but if Orton goes to Smackdown, that's a moot point. I'm also worried this is a way to get the belt off Sheamus without Orton.

Cena and Barrett, maybe even above Orton/Sheamus, should be in some kind of one on one personal grudge match. That's the thing that bugs me about this whole Nexus angle... Cena doesn't really seem to be taking it personally, even though their goal seemed to be to kick his ass as much as humanly possible. Once again, some kind of knock-down, drag out one on one match is what Barrett needs to get over, and he's, like Orton, lost in the shuffle. Even if by some chance Barrett walks out with the belt, it's a MitB situation, where no one will take him seriously without some fancy manuvering in the 6-man.

Edge and Jericho. These are the guys that are fucking this whole thing up. Ever since they moved them to Raw, it was blatantly fucking obvious that creative has absolutely nothing for them. Nothing. Edge is becoming boring, and he's quickly turning into the guy that people groan when he's announced for title matches. He's stale, and it's going to take a kick in the ass to get him going again. There's a reason he wasn't given the belt at WM, and it's because they knew he just wasn't over. His face run was terrible, and his return to heel hasn't been much better... well, except for that Orton stuff, which was sort of quietly dropped a few months ago. I love Jericho, but they're just not giving him anything to do. I'm also curious if they're working on turning him face, since the crowd seems pretty ready to cheer him. As it stands, these are two main event level heels with nothing to do. As a result, they get tossed into a match that they shouldn't be in... and let's be honest, does anyone see either of these guys walking out with the belt? It's a waste of time, especially for two older guys that could be better used putting over younger face talent.

While I did knock Barrett there, my personal feeling is that the only two people that should walk out with the belt are the ones with accents. Period. No one else in that match needs another title run, and both of those guys have a bigger money match down the road for a face challenger. Sadly, I don't have much faith in that happening.
 
Raw was a lot better than usual. Lots of wrasslin', and that's pretty surprising considering the track records of wrestling companies with "major" TV contracts nowadays.

Furthering the Miz/Danielson storyline = brilliant! I'm actually kind of shocked they are still following it, with WWE always "forgetting" about what's happened in the past.

It'll be interesting to see if they will allow Danielson to use the "American Dragon" moniker, since every time he's on TV with Striker at the announce position, he always throws it out there.
 
[quote name='007']Since they taped next week's Raw, too, I have some spoiler thoughts on the set Night of Champions main event:

Night of Champions main event is a Six-Pack Challenge, with Sheamus, Orton, Cena, Barrett, Edge, and Jericho.

I admit that my dislike for multi-man title matches will coat this, but I can't help but look at this as either lazy, or PG, booking. Multi-man matches are the refuge of writers who couldn't come up with any better ideas for guys with nothing to do, and that's what makes this a shame.

Sheamus and Orton were obviously always going to be doing the title dance one more time, but the way they left Raw last night made it personal. To me, that perfectly set-up some kind of one on one, no-DQ, street fight kind of match... but they're going to be lost in the ring with 4 other guys. It's a shame, since after Summerslam, they left me wanting to see another singles match between these guys, but with the ante upped a bit. As it stands, this is a throwaway now. I'd be hopeful that we get back to it, but if Orton goes to Smackdown, that's a moot point. I'm also worried this is a way to get the belt off Sheamus without Orton.

Cena and Barrett, maybe even above Orton/Sheamus, should be in some kind of one on one personal grudge match. That's the thing that bugs me about this whole Nexus angle... Cena doesn't really seem to be taking it personally, even though their goal seemed to be to kick his ass as much as humanly possible. Once again, some kind of knock-down, drag out one on one match is what Barrett needs to get over, and he's, like Orton, lost in the shuffle. Even if by some chance Barrett walks out with the belt, it's a MitB situation, where no one will take him seriously without some fancy manuvering in the 6-man.

Edge and Jericho. These are the guys that are fucking this whole thing up. Ever since they moved them to Raw, it was blatantly fucking obvious that creative has absolutely nothing for them. Nothing. Edge is becoming boring, and he's quickly turning into the guy that people groan when he's announced for title matches. He's stale, and it's going to take a kick in the ass to get him going again. There's a reason he wasn't given the belt at WM, and it's because they knew he just wasn't over. His face run was terrible, and his return to heel hasn't been much better... well, except for that Orton stuff, which was sort of quietly dropped a few months ago. I love Jericho, but they're just not giving him anything to do. I'm also curious if they're working on turning him face, since the crowd seems pretty ready to cheer him. As it stands, these are two main event level heels with nothing to do. As a result, they get tossed into a match that they shouldn't be in... and let's be honest, does anyone see either of these guys walking out with the belt? It's a waste of time, especially for two older guys that could be better used putting over younger face talent.

While I did knock Barrett there, my personal feeling is that the only two people that should walk out with the belt are the ones with accents. Period. No one else in that match needs another title run, and both of those guys have a bigger money match down the road for a face challenger. Sadly, I don't have much faith in that happening.
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Agreed on all accounts. It should be Sheamus/Orton in some sort of no dq/street fight type of match. They pretty much set it up last night with both of them going into the crowd fight each other plus Sheamus constant running through the crowd to escape getting jumped by Orton or Nexus.

Cena/Barrett needs to be its own match rather than muddying up the title belt match. Cena may have gotten some revenge at SS for all the beat downs he has taken, but this feud is clearly not over and should not spill over into the title match.

Edge/Jericho could be given a shot at the copper top titles since it seems The Hart Dynasty has no one else to contend with. Like you stated, both of these guys just seem to be there with no real purpose. They could atleast give them another run as a tag team as that was going really good until Edge got hurt awhile back.

Just my two cents.
 
I don't mind those tag titles so much, mostly because I'm happy they actually spell out Champions, unlike that steaming pile of shit that is the WWE Championship.
 
[quote name='diddy310']I don't mind those tag titles so much, mostly because I'm happy they actually spell out Champions, unlike that steaming pile of shit that is the WWE Championship.[/QUOTE]

CHAMP.

The Night of Champions Raw title match sounds disastrously lazy, which is fascinating considering that two days ago people were lamenting over how disastrously lazy the SummerSlam booking was (under the idea that, perhaps, it would lead into something grandiose at NoC). We see that isn't really the case here.

EDIT: Dang. Rene Dupree is such a cavalcade of bad tattoos, Michael Tarver and Orlando Jordan were overheard making fun of him, and AJ Styles was rumored to have even giggled a little bit.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2010/08/09/14972991.html

EDIT 2: I fucking adore Cornette:
- Talking about Pro Wrestling vs. MMA, Cornette feels it's time to "steal ideas back" that MMA has used to become successful. He said, "MMA is just two guys fighting. Pro wrestling needs to go back to being simple."
 
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So Dupree has a giant Ni on his chest and a giant Hon on his arm. I wonder if tattooing Japan on your body will allow you access to the Japan Only gentleman's clubs. Also I think someone needs to tell this guy that his arms are on fire. That can't be a good thing. I like how he tops it all off with a giant luchador cross on his back.

EDIT: So I think we need Spinnernet1's opinion on Summerslam and the return of Daniel Bryan
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Who did the Rene Dupree tats? I want to know so I can avoid them when I need kanji, flames and/or giant lucha crosses. Actually I don't mind the giant lucha cross as much, but I'm definitely not a fan of the flame forearm sleeves. The design and placement of the giant NI HON tattoo are downright fugly.
 
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He also has the fire on his lower legs too lol. At least it looks like he has reinvented himself rather than riding his WWE gimmick into the ground in NWA-East Bumblefuck.
 
About the Raw spoiler/NoC main event.


They might as well bring back the Championship Scramble if there's going to be that many guys - it at least creates a more interesting dynamic then the usual 2 guys in the ring, every other guy on the floor routine that happens in these kinda matches. With the scramble, the only guy who should be attempting to break up a pinfall is the current tentative champion.
 
What the fuck is this shit? New Smackdown vs. Raw already sounds terrible.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/111/1113429p1.html

The strong grapple modifier is gone, too. If you want to pull off a big move from a grapple, you can't just hold down a shoulder button and flick the thumbstick anymore – you have to earn it by performing chain grapples via flicking the stick and pulling off preliminary moves. As you wear your opponent down, he or she is going to get groggy, and this is when you can flick the stick and grapple for big moves. Strike combos also return this year, and if you land a four-hit combo, expect the opponent to pop into that groggy state.
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Great job, guys. Great job.

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Eh, I disagree. Outside of removing the cage door from HIAC and going back to the stupid 'throw them through the cage' thing, this seems to be shaping up nicely.

I haven't been excited about a Smackdown game for a while, so that's nice. I have to say, too, that it amuses how people have complained about SvR being stale for years, and are now shitting on it in a year where they seem to be making more changes than any previous year. Maybe they'll mess some things up, but at least SvR seems to finally be evolving a bit.

In terms of the controls... I'm not too opposed to that new system. Seems to make sense in the context of match storytelling, though I'll reserve judgment until I play it.
 
Ugh, why must they disassemble the Nexus already? Get rid of Darren Young? WTF? Even the Spirit Squad lasted longer.
 
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