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I gotta throw the challenge flag on this!
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EVOLVE 5: Danielson vs. Sawa
Sept. 11th, 2010
Rahway, NJ
Rahway Rec Center
275 E. Milton Avenue, 07065
Belltime: 4pm

The Main Event
Bryan Danielson (1-0) vs. Munenori Sawa (1-0)

I sure hope the tickets say card subject to change.
 
[quote name='Habbler']EVOLVE 5: Danielson vs. Sawa
Sept. 11th, 2010
Rahway, NJ
Rahway Rec Center
275 E. Milton Avenue, 07065
Belltime: 4pm

The Main Event
Bryan Danielson (1-0) vs. Munenori Sawa (1-0)

I sure hope the tickets say card subject to change.[/QUOTE]

PWI said that he's allowed to finish up his indy dates.
 
Was at a friend's house to watch Summer Slam so the Bryan Danielson thing made me COMPLETELY mark out when he was announced as the 7th man. Though all my friend's agree, Michael Cole has got to shut up about his hate on for him throughout the whole damn thing.
 
[quote name='Scorch']PWI said that he's allowed to finish up his indy dates.[/QUOTE]

WWE always allows guys to finish up their dates - WWE even allowed Eddie to work indies after giving him the IC title upon his return.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']ROH fired booker Adam Pearce today. Delirious is now taking over booking.[/QUOTE]

That is total win. Delirious is awesome. He is already training everyone so why not book it too.

Also that's cool Danielson can finish everything on his Indy run. I think hes booked up to the beginning of November but that's only like 3-4 dates.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']ROH fired booker Adam Pearce today. Delirious is now taking over booking.[/QUOTE]


I'm a fan of Pearce. He's good at what he does. I don't know if this has anything to do with his firing as booker, but Pearce has been pretty active with NWA activities, it seems. Every time my friend, Andrew Pulido posts about his pro wrestling career, I click various links and see Adam Pearce nearby.

Oh, and hey, support my pal Pulido by buying one of his Johnny Yuma action figures. :) He recently defeated Paul London and Brian Kendrick. Now, he's shooting some WWE commericals for the change to SyFy. He's moving on up!

http://www.socalprowrestling.com/merch.html

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Miz-Danielson is going to be a great feud. In that regard, I wish WWE had given Miz the green light to cash in his Money In The Bank briefcase and pin Sheamus. Danielson-Miz with the World championship involved or even around would make the series much more meaningful.

On a somewhat related note, present-day WWE features Bryan Danielson, CM Punk, Matt Sydal, and, soon, Tyler Black. WWE is presently building up characters and familiarizing them with fans. They have done well with Sheamus, Miz, McIntyre, and, to a lesser extent, Hawkins and Archer. Wade Barrett is great on the mic but his ring work leaves a lot to be desired. He could be a lasting talent in a year or so. Plus, WWE always has John Morrison and MVP--if they want to give them a huge push. Both are excellent in all regards, and just need to be given a story to a World title.

Despite Triple H lingering in the shadows, waiting to give himself a World title push, present-day WWE is a great time to be a fan. Yes, the actual wrestling is tedious and mostly uninteresting, but that'll change when it needs to change. We are close to entering a new era in WWE.

The only reason why they're playing it safe and keeping money-drawing names in headlines is because pro wrestling is in a slump and it makes more sense to keep afloat than it does to sink by taking unnecessary risks. Thankfully, Danielson seems to be a note in the heads of fans--even younger fans.

Yeah, WWE could be better (in all regards), but they're building talent while doing what's needed to keep afloat in a time where pro wrestling is recovering from tough times. I must say, you won't see me complain if the near-future has Miz headlining against Danielson or Barrett headlining against Cena. It could always be worse. There could always be Triple H.
 
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Danielson's back, huh? We'll see how well he's handled. I hope Justin Roberts isn't wearing a tie tomorrow night, that would be a nice wink.
 
This committed one of the worst PPV sins, especially for a 'big' one, in that it accomplished nothing. No scores were settled, no clear continuation points were set, it just kind of...happened.

It's great that Bryan is back, but where does this Nexus storyline go from here? They weren't beaten soundly, and team WWE imploded... so why does this 'stop' the Nexus? Bizarre booking, and yet another example of Cena overcoming the odds (a no-sell floor DDT? fuck off. ) to get a win he doesn't need over opponents who can't afford the loss.
 
Well, the next PPV is "Night of Champions" so it's tempting, from a creative standpoint, to coast into that show with the feuds largely built up. They at least reintroduced Undertaker and didn't have him murder Kane, so that's fresh(ish).

Night of Champions isn't a PPV conducive to a heavy Nexus presence, particularly now that they've been beaten by SuperCena (DDT on concrete? I'd have to see how it looked, but no selling that might be a 7 on the scale of 1 to 'thrown into a spotlight and blown up'). The thing about Nexus is that they're directionless. Creative hasn't done anything really for them, except allowed them to get over other talent. They have no stated goals, no direction, they just cause chaos like the nWo did. So I agree w/ Purple Flames' point that the whole "Nexus wants to run WWE out of business" is a preposterous argument - and follow up that Nexus is a one trick pony that's kinda dead in the water now. They can help the group get heat back, but they won't really focus on them going into Night of Champions, and the WWE punchline has been "Cena wins every four weeks at the PPV," I can't imagine why people would buy these shows.

Mostly I'm offended when poor shows are the "big 4" or whatever (Rumble, Mania, Survivor Series, Summer Slam). I don't care if they fuck up "WWF In Your House" or whatever they call it these days, but don't fuck up the legacy of the main shows.
 
[quote name='007']This committed one of the worst PPV sins, especially for a 'big' one, in that it accomplished nothing. No scores were settled, no clear continuation points were set, it just kind of...happened.

It's great that Bryan is back, but where does this Nexus storyline go from here? They weren't beaten soundly, and team WWE imploded... so why does this 'stop' the Nexus? Bizarre booking, and yet another example of Cena overcoming the odds (a no-sell floor DDT? fuck off. ) to get a win he doesn't need over opponents who can't afford the loss.[/QUOTE]


I agree. This PPV accomplished nothing and felt more like a show that should have aired on TV.

And various events didn't make sense. Why wouldn't Miz attack and pin Sheamus when he has stalked him for the last few weeks? And yes, what happens with the Nexus? Where do they go from here?

Now, if Danielson had turned on Cena, that would have added direction to the Nexus story. Danielson feuding with Miz, when Miz is due for a World title shot, means that Danielson will win the U.S. championship. When Miz moves on to a feud with Sheamus, or Randy Orton, for the World title, where will Danielson be? Defending the U.S. title against, uh, one of the Usos or Justin Gabriel? That's where I see Danielson's career heading.

Sure, we'll get an occasional bone when WWE has U.S. champion, "Daniel Bryan", face off against, WWE champion, the Miz. But, I believe, Danielson's career would be better if they have him turn heel and align himself with the Nexus.

It gives Danielson and the Nexus a lot more purpose. They could have the Nexus implode, and have Barrett and Danielson feud--which would be good for Barrett, as he'll be able to refine his in-ring skill against one of the best. For Danielson, he'll be able to further ingrain his presence with fans and gain fans with his in-ring abilities. Having Danielson turn heel, align himself with Nexus, then, a bit later, feuding with Barrett would also benefit the lesser members of the Nexus. Tarver and Gabriel have the most potential of the remaining Nexus guys, but need to brush-up on their in-ring and mic work. A Danielson-Barrett feud would allow them the time to improve.

I do not nor have worked for any pro wrestling promotion. I am just a fan who thinks Danielson remaining face and feuding with the Miz and the Nexus is a short-sighted idea amongst better ideas.

We shall see what transpires.
 
I'm beginning to wonder if they will revise the Nexus roster once NXT 2 is finished in a few weeks. Alex Riley seems like an ideal candidate, as they could use some more defined personalities.

Husky Harris and Michael McGillicutty would work also, though I think they will end up finally being the Fortunate Sons (ditching Brett Dibiase for now since I believe he's still injured).
 
Am I the only one thinking that Night of Champions is going to have Daniel Bryan go over the Miz for the U.S. title, followed by Miz cashing in the Money in the Bank successfully later that night? I'm guessing that Miz will be Bryan's first rival back since Danielson "robbed"(by Miz's justification) him of saving the WWE Universe himself by being in the 7-on-7 match. Not to mention their history back on NXT season one.
 
Hulk Hogan during the David Hasselhoff Roast

"I'm not going to mess with that Jeff Ross guy, last time I wrestled a Jew my wife took half my shit"

He also referred to Lisa Lampanelli as Andre The Vagiant.
 
[quote name='diddy310']I'm beginning to wonder if they will revise the Nexus roster once NXT 2 is finished in a few weeks. Alex Riley seems like an ideal candidate, as they could use some more defined personalities.

Husky Harris and Michael McGillicutty would work also, though I think they will end up finally being the Fortunate Sons (ditching Brett Dibiase for now since I believe he's still injured).[/QUOTE]


Alex Riley would be a good way to freshen the Nexus. Out of the gate, I'd give him a feud with Intercontinental or United States champion--but, Dolph Ziggler and the Miz are both in stories. A pit stop in the Nexus would definitely be good for the Nexus--though they would still need a direction. While it would give the Nexus some sort of direction, an Alex Riley-Wade Barrett feud seems like a waste of two good heels.

I love your idea of using the Fortunate Sons name. Windham Rotunda (Harris) and Joe Hennig (McGilli...McGillicui--McGillicutty) would be a solid team to compete against the Hart Dynasty. You know, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of a Fortunate Sons faction. (But, god damn, do I hate their WWE-licensed names.)
 
Going back and watching the 7 on 7 match Jerry Lawler made an announcing botch and said Brian Danielson. Happened shortly after R-Truth's stunner suplex which was beautiful by the way.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Mostly I'm offended when poor shows are the "big 4" or whatever (Rumble, Mania, Survivor Series, Summer Slam). I don't care if they fuck up "WWF In Your House" or whatever they call it these days, but don't fuck up the legacy of the main shows.[/QUOTE]

Precisely, and that was my point earlier when I ranted about the DQ title finishes. It's cheap. If this was some random PPV, okay, fine.. but this is a major PPV, it's wrapping up the summer feuds, and for them to have not one, but two DQ title finishes is completely unacceptable, especially when they use one of the title matches as a vehicle to promote a non-title main event that accomplished nothing.
 
I think them doing that gimmick would force them to change the names. It could also be a good reason for them to join the Nexus and go after Orton.
 
Well, in no way can I say I'm disappointed over being wrong about HHH. I sure fell for it, and I wonder now just how planned it all actually was. I kind of wish the internet didn't exist in this regard, I miss the days of being swerved and not knowing what's about to happen.
 
Main event, Miz's big promo, and 'Taker's return were great, everything else was I take umbrage at your previous assertion but cannot be arsed to respond appropriately, except for the diva's title match, which was God-awful.

The main event was smartly-booked, with the weakest links of each team leaving early. Bret's stuff in-ring looked better here than it has at 'Mania, and he had no coordination problems at all. I marked out for the inverted atomic drop being done PERFECTLY, and the mounted punches in the corner being so rapid-fire, and then he got to do the sharpshooter one last time at Summerslam before the chair came in and he got DQed. Flawless booking of Bret there. Plus, I loved seeing one generation of great technical wrestling in Bret team with another in Danielson here. Actually, three in a way, because you had Bret as the pre-Attitude era guy, Jericho as the Attitude and beyond guy, and Danielson as one of the best in the world for the modern era and the future.

Skip was booked really well for Nexus - getting a couple of eliminations and looking strong before being eliminated before he could be exposed. Barrett was also protected really well - looking dominant on offense, and he was eliminated via a flash drop toe hold>STF combo that not only gave WWE the win, but also built up the Cena-Barrett match well because we didn't get much of it here.

Nexus lost the match, but looked strong in defeat, so this angle can definitely continue. I think we'll see a reshuffling of the Nexus deck soon to ensure that the group at least has a couple of people who can work. Thank God Gabriel lasted so long in it and man was it good to see him actually rewarded for being the best worker on the team with lasting until the final two members for his team. He's the smallest guy in the group, doesn't have much going for him visually, but is still pushed. Plus, they've set up his trademark 450 camera angle - when you see it, you know shit's about to go down. It's one of the little things they've done that makes the smallest member of the group still manage to instill fear.

Danielson's booking here was so awesome. They got the omaplata crossface over huge, and I loved that he FINALLY got to win with his submission transition-master gimmick since he went from the gullotine choke into it to net his first fall, and then countered a schoolboy into a slightly different-looking version of it against Slater. He was just "on" tonight - his kicks to the ground were fantastic, the missile dropkick looked perfect, and he also made it to the final two of his team.

Miz taking him out sets up Miz as even more of an island unto himself as well as gives Danielson a perfect motivation for challenging him for the U.S. title next month, which I have no doubt he will win. Him losing the U.S. title would actually make things more interesting for Miz because it would further the idea of his world crumbling around him and all he has left is the case - he absolutely has to pick the perfect moment to cash it in, or he has nothing left. And then, if it's done right, he can lose the title match and still be left as a compelling character because now he truly has to fight his way back to the top and contend with a larger group of people who want to destroy him because he couldn't control his ego and could have easily let Nexus win the match because of it.
 
The WM XXVI Blu-Ray is worth it for Taker-Shawn, Edge-Jericho, and Cena-Jericho.

News regarding the newest online pharmacy scandal of sorts that came out over the weekend with Angle and Shane Carwin's name coming out. According to the newest Observer Radio, both Carwin and Angle were found to have been prescribed a steroid used in livestock that is illegal for humans with Angle being given it under the guise of it being for a neck injury, and Eddie Guerrero's doctor was busted in this whole deal, and there are initials for a patient with the initials "EG" in the records, but he hasn't been formally named as a patient yet.
 
I said before Summerslam that it's definitely worth $8 a month. You get modern-era PPVs a few months after they happen, a classic one, a handful of older TV shows, and a slew of individual matches each month for only $8. It's a far better use of money than actually buying the PPVs live at $45 or whatever they cost now.
 
[quote name='slidecage']quick question people might missed before

is

wwe classic on demand for 8 bucks worth it ..

who has it if anyone[/QUOTE]

yes, absolutely... prime time wrestling is my personal favorite
 
After last night...Nexus needs to die. ASAP

What's the point??? Speaking of pops....anyone notice the deafening silence when it was just Cena with South African and Wade????

That was eerie. That was the best moment in the history of the WWE to freeball and have Cena lose. I wish there was a way to make that shit happen, because the crowd had an "oh shit, this is really about to happen" mode to them.

And yet...Super Cena somehow manages to escape and win.

Think about it - he can be thrown through a huge light and lose...but DDT'd on concrete??? Nope...that's a win.



...So now what? What's the purpose of the Nexus. They don't have any titles. They have too many members. And, it's easy to forget half of their names.

I suggest this (while I know it's not going to happen):

Send One Man Band, South African, Black Cena, and Tarver to SD!

Keep Wade, Corn Fed, Hudson's fiancee, and of course, Bryan Danielson.

That way we can see the lighter guys do SD feuds...and the heavier guys (that Raw loves) get their midcard/main event pushes

In my dream world, Wade would get on the mic and announce that even though they're strong as one...they need to conquer the WWE from both sides. This way they can use the jobbers on both programs to build themselves up and hopefully get in touch with the crowds.

And it will also bring a level of curiosity when the season 2 "rookies" start to come up. Will Alex Riley help out Wade or go to SD to maybe help Heath? We never know...

It just seems so smart...that it won't happen
 
I didn't see the whole show (translation: Youtube highlights) but I'm really digging Pissed Off Striker/Technical Wizard Good Guy Daniel Bryan and Kane Stole My Powers Cough Wheeze Undertaker.

I'm worried the rest of the latter is going to suck, but at least first-impression wise it's gold. Have Kane beat the shit out of him for another 2 months - heck, have Kane make him tap out at a PPV between now and November - leading to a match at Survivor Series for Undertaker's 20th anniversary (are they back to doing SS again this year?) - if they can pretend WM 25 is the 25th Anniversary, they can pretend here too.
 
If I'm not mistaken, there's two episodes of Raw tonight (one live, one taped), so that should go far in answering the big question coming out of last night... where do we go from here?

It seems more and more apparent that they just sort of coasted through Summerslam, which is a shame. I almost feel like they found out HHH couldn't come back and just gave up. Anyway, some deeper thoughts on everything...

IC title match - what we saw of it wasn't bad, and the ending was effective enough at putting over Nexus. It shit on the IC title, but that's nothing new at this point. What they should've done was actually have Nexus interfere in the Big Show/SES match instead, and have them take out the guy who was *actually* a threat. You don't shit on the IC title and have someone win, you don't change much in a match no one cares about, and you put Nexus over huge because they took out Show. Show and Punk end up in the same place anyway, so this was puzzling to me.

Show vs. SES - We always talk about the 'Cena no-sell', but what the fuck was up with Show not selling ANY of the offense to his hand? They destroyed his hand on Smackdown, they destroyed it during the SS match, yet Show never showed any signs of it. For me, it eventually got a little awkward, just like the women's match. It's like the SES had a plan for the match, and someone else just said 'fuck it'.

Women's match - She hurt her knee! Let's attack her arm! Even the announcers didn't even bother to hide the fact that it made no sense. Such a sad division, and their match on Raw was world's better. Also, the complete jobbing of Fox two matches in a row made no sense.

Sheamus/Orton - I enjoyed this match, it just had a shitty ending. The non-finish could've worked, too, just not the way they did it. My two ideas were to either have Sheamus just wail Orton with the chair, or simply have him walk away. Either one would've accomplished the same thing, and felt less like a 'fuck you' than what we got. The big problem with this match is not knowing the long-term booking plans. Sheamus will be fed to HHH upon his return, whenever that'll be. Orton seems like a shoe-in to be punted to Smackdown for October. I can only assume that they'll be a rematch at NoC, but who knows? My plan would've been a long-term feud, where Sheamus walks out on the match, says Orton goes to the back of the line, and Orton claws his way back up. He can taunt Sheamus on the way, since he's the one guy Sheamus can't beat. If done well, it'd sell PPVs for the rematch. Ultimately, though, this was a match that neither guy could afford to really 'lose', so I was never expecting a finish.

Kane/Mysterio - Why they keep putting these two together is beyond me. They don't work well together, and Mysterio's offense generally looks way too floaty to hurt Kane. Also, the repeated 619 attempts were just awful. Taker coming back was the biggest non-shock ever, and poorly done... until Kane actually got the better of him. I would've liked to see that stretched out a bit, with Taker getting along with Kane for a week or two, but that's just me. Oh, and about Mysterio's involvement... he wasn't 'attacked' enough to warrant time off, so I hope this doesn't mean he sticks around. A much bigger picture assertion is, throughout this program, Mysterio should've been Swagger. Swagger is believable as attacking Taker, it allows Kane to stay face until the 'reveal', and Swagger keeps the main event scene fresh. The entire storyline would've worked better with him, so I fail to see why it was Mysterio for any other reason than to 'keep Mysterio happy'.

WWE/Nexus - Did I miss something in the announcing about why no one would break up pins or was allowed outside? That bugged me a bit, but that was a long match as it was, so I guess it evens out. It was easy to see early on who they view as the dead weight of Nexus, so that's a plus. Bryan was a nice touch, though them spoiling was beyond awful. Seriously, though, can we take a minute and realize that Bryan Danielson was standing next to Bret Hart? One step beyond that, can we take a minute and realize that Bryan Danielson was the number two guy behind John Cena at the main event of Summerslam? It's a bizarre world sometimes. Anyway, the Edge and Jericho thing was predictable, the Miz run-in was exciting because of what it sets up, and the finish was awful. Really, no-selling an 'on the concrete' DDT was beyond ridiculous, even for Cena. I would've been okay with the ending if he had to be helped out of the ring like Sheamus, but that doesn't give the fans their 'happy' moment, does it?

That was a long post as it was, so I'll save my 'what now?' post for later.
 
[quote name='Chronis']As a side note... if WWE were ever to bring him back, I think Danielson would work PERFECTLY right now. Having him appear as the 7th guy to help fight Nexus? That'd be a pretty good idea to me.[/QUOTE]

\\:D/ \\:D/ \\:D/ Do I win something?
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']Maybe some of DDP's charisma would rub off on Orton, because God knows he's boring as shit now.[/QUOTE]


Actually, I find more interest in shitting than watching Randy Orton.

DDP looks to be in great shape. He got into the business very late in his life, and achieved success against the odds. I admire him--and at one point, loved his character (until the crap with David Arquette, Karl Malone, and Jay Leno; when he neared the 2000s).

I am not a fan of extravagant theatrics before moves. For I, it's far more exciting to see moves hit spontaneously and unknowingly. I roll my eyes when I see Randy Orton fist-fuck the ground, or when Manabu Nakanishi shits himself while stomping the ground. If it takes longer than 20 seconds for a wrestler to do their taunt and hit their move, then they can go fuck themselves .
 
[quote name='onetrackmind']yes, absolutely... prime time wrestling is my personal favorite[/QUOTE]

after an hour on hold with comcast (net problems) they did find an old promo that did work)

first month of WWE on demand FREE WOOOOO !!!!


so at least i get a month to see if i like it .... i can toss my roomate 15 bucks in sept and that will almost pay for it till nov
 
So wait, Hulk Hogan was able to no sell repeated punches and other attacks- while 'hulking up' and now he's a legend, but Cena does it repeatedly on normally 'devastating' moves and he's looked down upon?
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']So wait, Hulk Hogan was able to no sell repeated punches and other attacks- while 'hulking up' and now he's a legend, but Cena does it repeatedly on normally 'devastating' moves and he's looked down upon?[/QUOTE]

It's twenty years later.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']It's twenty years later.[/QUOTE]

And I never enjoyed his "Hulking up" crap. My brother would cheer for Hogan and I would say, "But Macho Man is so much better."
 
That, and there's a distinct difference between 'Hulking up' and no-selling. It's a fine line, but it's there.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']It's twenty years later.[/QUOTE]
Twenty years or not, aside from botches 90% of 'wrestling' is fake shit anyway. So who cares if someone acts like they're impervious to every attack?

If it gets a pop from the crowd and the guy is over with the fans, then what's the harm in making someone else the next Hulk Hogan?
 
[quote name='007']That, and there's a distinct difference between 'Hulking up' and no-selling. It's a fine line, but it's there.[/QUOTE]

Exactly Hulk would hulk up like a man fighting out of a sleeper. With Cena, it's like "oops time to win, hits my moves, match is over, i'm fine"

[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Twenty years or not, aside from botches 90% of 'wrestling' is fake shit anyway.[/QUOTE]

Ok?

[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']So who cares if someone acts like they're impervious to every attack?[/QUOTE]

It's not entertaining to watch.

[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']If it gets a pop from the crowd and the guy is over with the fans, then what's the harm in making someone else the next Hulk Hogan?[/QUOTE]

It's boring and the adult fans have been shitting on it for years.
 
The way you described it does sound pretty bad. I largely just watch 'wrestling' anymore for the lulz of seeing how ridiculous and over the top the people in the industry now are.

Back when I stopped watching regularly was when WWE ended many matches by having the ref get 'knocked out' for just enough time for some outside interference to occur. My distaste for most of the wrestling biz really started though when Vince brought back DX and the nWo for 'one last run'.:roll:
 
That does sound pretty bad the way you put it, but I only watch wrestling for the lulz anymore. Any time there's a promo being cut that's longer than 2-3 minutes I change the channel and most times I forget to go back to watch the rest of the show.

Now ECW(the REAL ECW) on the other hand could keep my attention for longer than 5 minutes, but the watered down version WWE had going for a number of years was total garbage. It was WWE Lite.

I really wish TNA were able to compete with WWE on the same level. Then that might spark some real interest from me. But TNA is even worse as far as taking all of the has beens and never will be's that WWE casts off.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']
2usvimp.jpg


If DDP were in better shape that would be one epic feud.[/QUOTE]

DDP is in fine shape, hell he's probably in great shape. He's just in his 50's.
 
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