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Hot damn! It's about time someone finally got a real car and not one of those generic ass Town Car limos. Del Rio's entrance was the shit. He's officially my new favorite wrestler.

[quote name='GhostShark']That is true. I don't want to upset Cody Rhodes.[/QUOTE]
That's Dashing Cody Rhodes to you, bitch. ;)
 
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As always this time of year, Pro Wrestling Guerilla is holding their annual Battle Of Los Angeles tournament to crown the #1 contender to the PWG Championship.

First round matches include:

Christopher Daniels vs. Chris Hero
Paul London vs. Roderick Strong
Joey Ryan vs. Chuck Taylor
Matt Jackson vs. Nick Jackson
Brandon Gatson vs. Ryan Taylor
El Generico vs. Akira Tozawa

Still to be seeded are Rocky Romero, Austin Aries, Ricochet, Bryan Cage, Brandon Bonham, and Claudio Castagnoli. Show is September 4 & 5, and will be held in beautiful Reseda, California.

Also, Justin Gabriel is believed to be banging Kelly Kelly. Not too shabby for someone with an "alternative way of thinking". ;)
 
I don't like Comedy Central's roasts. All the roasters spend 10 minutes aiming at everyone BUT the roastee, then lob a few jokes towards him and call it a night. It's more formulaic than a Triple H match.
 
Lucha Libre USA thoughts -

Pequeno Halloween getting married to Rebecca Reyes w/ Halloween paint by an Elvis impersonating pastor was gloriously wacky. Compared to that, the match with the mini Dorada vs. the normal sized RJ Brewer was downright normal. Thank God no one showed up to the show - it would have made the Rellik-Charly brawl through the crowd potentially dangerous to them. There appears to be a guy in the crowd sleeping through the main event.

Some screens -









No, it isn't an empty arena match...
 
I really hope Lucha Libre USA picks up steam and stays around. Can you really blame them for having lackluster crowds when nobody even knew it existed just one month ago?
 
[quote name='Chuplayer']I really hope Lucha Libre USA picks up steam and stays around. Can you really blame them for having lackluster crowds when nobody even knew it existed just one month ago?[/QUOTE]

I 2nd this. I like watching it and hope it stays. on a side note MTV wants to be in the wrestling biz for some reason though don't they? This is the 3rd wrestling show on MTV that I think of (Not counting the WWF stuff in the 80s. Heat being 1, WSX, and now Lucha USA.
 
[quote name='OnyxPrimal']I 2nd this. I like watching it and hope it stays. on a side note MTV wants to be in the wrestling biz for some reason though don't they? This is the 3rd wrestling show on MTV that I think of (Not counting the WWF stuff in the 80s. Heat being 1, WSX, and now Lucha USA.[/QUOTE]

Did you purposely exclude Tough Enough? If you did, I can see why. It was more reality show than wrestling show.
 
I forgot that Heat was on MTV for a few years. :whistle2:k

Just for the sake of comparison: I prefer NXT to Tough Enough. Some things just don't have to be explained. NXT is like Inception, where they don't explain the sleep device, and Tough Enough is like another sci-fi film that gives an elaborate, bullshit excuse for the device.
 
Lucha Libre USA being around is certainly better for wrestlers because it gives them a national outlet, albeit a very small one, to gain exposure. However, the group is already running into problems with a pissed off roster, who was apparently misled regarding how many bookings they'd be getting from them. Carlito's a good fit for them since he speaks Spanish, has had major national U.S. exposure for over five years, they don't tape much so it isn't a big time commitment for him, and he can go through the motions without any punishment like most of the roster.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']Did you purposely exclude Tough Enough? If you did, I can see why. It was more reality show than wrestling show.[/QUOTE]

Nope.. just forgot. It was more of an MTV style reality show than wrestling to me however.

edit: Watching Strikeforce on Showtime and Lashley was announced as a 2 time former WWE World Champion. :)
 
Announcing a pro fighter's pro wrestling credentials speaks to how large a promotion is. I can't say I'm a fan of Strikeforce. I hate their booking and the way they announce their fighters. Oh, and Mauro Ranallo. I hate Mauro Ranallo. He's on par with Jonathan Coachman and Michael Cole as my least favorite commentators of anything. He was tolerable with Bas Rutten, but--god damn--has my tolerance of his voice and hyperboles deteriorated over the years.

P.S. I love Bas. He's one of the best.

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Wow, the WWE released this statement in response to Chris Nowinski's interview.

WWE RAISES CREDIBILITY ISSUES FOR CHRIS NOWINSKI

• Chris Nowinski did not reveal, as required, that he suffered previous concussions before signing his contract with WWE.
• He states WWE suggested that its performers take steroids. However, at no time does he ever state that it was suggested that he do so.
• His comments that WWE talent perform in matches 200 days a year is not factual. In 2009, the average active roster talent performed 135 days.
• A sheer fabrication --- that he went through tables four days a week.
• Mr. Nowinski states, "They have an environment where it's absolutely unsafe to work in that ring." "They have no oversight into what actually happens in the ring." If so, then why would Mr. Nowinski have ever wanted to be a part of such an environment?
• It is very dubious that he ever had a conversation with Lance Cade much less Lance Cade confiding to a total stranger that he used painkillers and steroids.
• Although renowned in the field of CTE, we are unaware of any specific qualifications or medical degrees that he possesses which would qualify him as an expert on steroids and pain killers.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/08/wwe-hits-back-at-nowinski/61851/

Original interview

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...icking-dirt-on-the-grave-of-lance-cade/61782/

PWI's take on it.

- Chris Nowinski did not reveal, as required, that he suffered previous concussions before signing his contract with WWE.

This may be the case (especially given Nowinski's time playing football), but Nowinski's career ending issues began after he continued to wrestle for the company after suffering concussions. That is what led to his investigations into concussions and the formation of the Sports Legacy Institute, Nowinski's own battles with post-concussion syndrome and his quality of life stemming from those battles. WWE may not have been the only source of those issues, but his time there was certainly a contributing factor.

- He states WWE suggested that its performers take steroids. However, at no time does he ever state that it was suggested that he do so.

I can't comment factually from a third-party perspective but I don't believe the company asks anyone to take steroids. Whether there is an unspoken edict to get in the best physical shape possible is something that, without question, happens even today. If John Cena lost his muscle mass and started hauling a big gut around, chances are the company wouldn't be using him as the face of the company. Physical fitness at an extreme peak is certainly something WWE wants out of their performers.

- His comments that WWE talent perform in matches 200 days a year is not factual. In 2009, the average active roster talent performed 135 days.

Nowinski's comments were about the grind of working for the company, not just taking bumps. While the average roster talent may have "performed 135 days", WWE's statement likely fails to take into account the travel days, personal appearances, promotional work, etc. WWE performers do much, much more than just take bumps in the ring on days they are booked to wrestle. Adding all those hours of work and travel up and you'll come up with much, much more time devoted to the company, although the company would probably be right in saying "200 days" in regard to matches. No one is going to say wrestlers got hurt doing these things, but the overall exhaustion and stress from the schedule comes from more than just performing.

- A sheer fabrication --- that he went through tables four days a week.

Nowinski spent much of his WWE run in 2002-2003 in matches against The Dudley Boyz in different forms. Most of the matches, especially on the house show circuit, ended with Nowinski going through a table at some point, since that was the Dudleys' calling cartd at the time. There are house show results from that time period which show Nowinski faced some form of the Dudleys 3-4 times over the course of 7-10 days so it's possible and even likely that he went through a table during each contest.

- Mr. Nowinski states, "They have an environment where it's absolutely unsafe to work in that ring." "They have no oversight into what actually happens in the ring." If so, then why would Mr. Nowinski have ever wanted to be a part of such an environment?

Why does anyone want to be a wrestler? They are either huge fans and want to live their dream, or they want to make money. This comes across like WWE trying to deflect the comment, forgetting that it was what happened in their ring that caused Nowinski's retirement. If Darren Drosdov made the same statement, would WWE respond with the same tone and comment?

- It is very dubious that he ever had a conversation with Lance Cade much less Lance Cade confiding to a total stranger that he used painkillers and steroids.

WWE claiming that Nowinski was a complete stranger to Cade may have been the sheer dumbest thing the company could have claimed publicly. I can't speak on any conversation Nowinski claimed to have had with Cade, but I can confirm the two weren't "total strangers." Nowinski and Cade both spent time together in former WWE developmental territories OVW and HWA and even teamed in OVW. They were also on the main roster at the same time. Not only were they not strangers, they were tag team partners in developmental.

- Although renowned in the field of CTE, we are unaware of any specific qualifications or medical degrees that he possesses which would qualify him as an expert on steroids and pain killers.

Everyone can make their own ruling on that one.
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One half of TNA's knockouts champions is paid so little she's now selling autographed stuff on ebay to make ends meet, while the singles knockouts champion babysits to do that. Good going guys, pay the has-been brigade six figures, but don't pay the women WHO ACTUALLY DRAW RATINGS UNLIKE THE "stars".

Also, today's Observer Radio reveals that the reason Lashley was released was due to internal pressure from guys being pissed that he would dare to have shoulder surgery that he needed during his big '07 push. Also, he might be done with Strikeforce soon - if they sign Batista, he'll be kept around for that fight, but otherwise, they don't have much use for him.

He was exposed last night as being pretty one dimensional, and lost to someone they brought in to lose to him. The loss also greatly hurts his chances of getting back into TNA, and he was booked badly in there before, and this won't help that at all. WWE doesn't want him back due to the feeling he was a failed experiment.
 
[quote name='Chuplayer']I really hope Lucha Libre USA picks up steam and stays around. Can you really blame them for having lackluster crowds when nobody even knew it existed just one month ago?[/QUOTE]

is Lucha librea on cable .. if so what channel
 
News about TNA from Shark Boy on the F4W board -
Angle vs Hardy will now take place at No Surrender and will not main event Bound for Glory. As of now RVD will not be on the BFG show. RVD has ran out of dates on his contract for the year as Dave mentioned and if TNA wants to book him for more they must pay him $10 grand a show which they can not afford at this time. So now Hardy vs Abyss in a Monsters Ball is currently planned for BFG instead of RVD vs Abyss. Things are being changed almost daily now since Dreamer is on the booking team which he continues to deny. Right now Angle vs Pope will main event Bound for Glory but I wouldn't be shocked if they decide to go with Anderson instead which would be a bad idea IMO. Either way though I don't see either match drawing well at all and they agree because apparently the idea is to build the show around Hogan's return to the ring and EV2.0 vs Fortune.
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TEN GRAND A SHOT FOR RVD!? God bless him for getting them to sign that deal, because that is completely one-sided in his favor and they are complete dumbfucks for signing him to such a deal.
 
I remember reading that he was getting 5,000 for one-off Indy appearances. I'm curious what he was getting for the ones that were included in the contract.

If only they didn't re-sign Christy Hemme, they could pay for 17.5 more RVD appearances :D


I don't know how accurate it is coming from Shane Douglas, but he said a lot of the guys on Hardcore Justice only got 250 for the night.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']News about TNA from Shark Boy on the F4W board -


TEN GRAND A SHOT FOR RVD!? God bless him for getting them to sign that deal, because that is completely one-sided in his favor and they are complete dumbfucks for signing him to such a deal.[/QUOTE]

More like they are dumb fucks for putting the championship on a guy with a x amount of dates on his contract and for blowing through them so quickly.

- edit And TNA's only hope is gone.

Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker told Ariel Helwani that an announcement on Paul Heyman working with the organisation is likely to come “in a couple of weeks”. He confirmed comments made by Heyman on Helwani’s MMA Hour* that the two were good friends and had recently had a meeting in New York to discuss Heyman working with Strikeforce. Coker praised the former ECW Owner and Smackdown Head Writer as having a “very creative mind” but would not expand on what role he envisaged him playing in the organisation.

You can see Scott Coker’s full comments on Heyman, plus his confirmation that Strikeforce are still interested in promoting a Dave Batista vs. Bobby Lashley fight by watching the video below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIXYoM5wYfk&feature=player_embedded

*If you haven’t watched the full interview between Helwani and Heyman then do yourself favor – stop whatever you’re doing and go watch it. There’s few better ways to spend ninety minutes.
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http://insidefights.com/2010/08/22/...er-still-interested-in-doing-batista-lashley/
 
10 G a show for RVD. good for him, i agree with the "wonder how much else his contract was for" as for the supposed BFG plans, just wow. hogan returns to the ring... after back surgery with fake hips. thatll be worse wrestling than bret hart post stroke.

pope is gonna headline the biggest tna ppv of the year, good for him too. sadly it looks like he is gonna be fodder to angle. which is a shame, i like angle but i dont see him retiring anytime soon. so he will achieve his goal, win the title and BFG ends with red white and blue graffiti falling from the sky.
 
so...at min...assuming he was doing a full year of work....he could have received 520k???? And that wouldn't even include PPVs and merchandising!!!

That's pretty damn good to be on such a low rate TV program where you KNOW how to get to your arena and taping is done in advance so you basically have somewhere near 2 weeks off....

That wouldn't be great WWE wise....but TNA wise...HE WON
 
Hahaha. Bobby Lashley was a "failed experiment".

Jeeezzee... that's cold man.

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"I wanted to play with the GI Joe's and you took them and played with them instead. YOU KNEW I WANTED TO PLAY WITH THEM!!! NOW, I'M ANGRY!"
 
Holy shit... I was just watching Smackdown on my DVR, and Alberto del Rio's ring announcer is a guy I've met before. He's the boyfriend of a girl I'm friends with, and he's an independent wrestler here in southern California. I marked out for that. He and I both made it on WWE TV in the same week! :)
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']10 G a show for RVD. good for him.[/QUOTE]

it seems smart and all, yes? but it may have backfired if they're not going to use him at all at such a price.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']it seems smart and all, yes? but it may have backfired if they're not going to use him at all at such a price.[/QUOTE]

That statement would assume that RVD gives a shit. Sadly, I really don't think that's the case, and it's likely *why* he wanted that much. Maybe I'm a total cynic, but I firmly believe that RVD came back to make money, not for any love for the business or hope to turn TNA around.

Oh, and again... can we stop saying Heyman can save TNA? He can't, and this situation reveals that completely. You have a company that hires a guy, puts the belt on him, and DOESN'T PLAN HIS FINITE AMOUNT OF DATES WELL ENOUGH TO EVEN HAVE HIM DROP THE BELT without giving him an extra $10,000 that they can't afford. It was the same situation that I think they went through with Foley, too... honestly, this company is fucked from the top down, and nothing short of Panda Energy handing Heyman TNA as his own personal sandbox with zero interference can turn this thing around. Even then, I'm skeptical.

Heyman knows he can't fix it, which is why Heyman isn't there. If they threw that much money at RVD, how much do you think they threw at Heyman?
 
His good friend Booker T probably informed him of how they run things, and to take them for everything he could. It absolutely is about the money - RVD said it would take a certain amount (and I believe certain work schedule) for him to come out of his semi-retirement, and they were willing to give it to him.
 
Also they wasted most of those appearances to have him feud with fucking Abyss.

We didn't even get RVD vs. Kurt Angle, which to my knowledge has only happened twice, in 2001 and 2006.
 
[quote name='007']Oh, and again... can we stop saying Heyman can save TNA? He can't, and this situation reveals that completely. You have a company that hires a guy, puts the belt on him, and DOESN'T PLAN HIS FINITE AMOUNT OF DATES WELL ENOUGH TO EVEN HAVE HIM DROP THE BELT without giving him an extra $10,000 that they can't afford. It was the same situation that I think they went through with Foley, too... honestly, this company is fucked from the top down, and nothing short of Panda Energy handing Heyman TNA as his own personal sandbox with zero interference can turn this thing around. Even then, I'm skeptical.

Heyman knows he can't fix it, which is why Heyman isn't there. If they threw that much money at RVD, how much do you think they threw at Heyman?[/QUOTE]

Actually, he could turn around TNA since his demands were basically "I get full control and a piece of the company". The reason he isn't there is because Dixie didn't want to give him full control. (Most likely since Heyman said first thing he would do is get rid of all of the older guys except for one or two to take the Terry Funk ECW slot of getting younger wrestlers over)
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Actually, he could turn around TNA since his demands were basically "I get full control and a piece of the company". The reason he isn't there is because Dixie didn't want to give him full control. (Most likely since Heyman said first thing he would do is get rid of all of the older guys except for one or two to take the Terry Funk ECW slot of getting younger wrestlers over)[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but as I said... even if that happened, I'm hugely skeptical. I think, as a brand, TNA is dead in the water. Heyman can't save 'TNA', his best shot would literally be to take TNA's assets and make it a brand-new company... and, at that point, it'd likely be easier to just start a new company. Again, Heyman is not the messiah, and TNA is way more fucked than anyone wants to admit.

Personally, I think Heyman's demands were for the same reason RVD demanded $10,000 per appearance after his dates... they don't really want to do it, but if someone was crazy enough to agree to the ridiculous terms, they'd be there. Either way, Heyman wins.
 
Right. price yourself out of the market, then take the sucker for all they're worth when you find someone dumb enough to agree to those terms.
 
[quote name='007']Yeah, but as I said... even if that happened, I'm hugely skeptical. I think, as a brand, TNA is dead in the water. Heyman can't save 'TNA', his best shot would literally be to take TNA's assets and make it a brand-new company... and, at that point, it'd likely be easier to just start a new company. Again, Heyman is not the messiah, and TNA is way more fucked than anyone wants to admit. [/QUOTE]

I don't think TNA is dead in the water, it's just extremely stagnate. The fact that they have SpikeTV's support is enough reason to try and save them instead of starting anew.

To save TNA would be fairly simple.

1) They need to trim the fat. Get rid of most of the older guys and stop emphasizing the ones left, over new/TNA talent. Heyman already did this once with Funk.

2) They need to build new stars out of what they have. This one is the one Heyman excels at. He's not the messiah but he is, hands down, the best in the industry when it comes to building new stars. Hardcore Justice showed how much he turned lemons (PJ Polaco, F.B.I, Kid Kash, Spike Dudley) into lemonade with ECW. With WWECW, he turned Big Show from a novelty act into a legitimate threat.

3) They need to move forward and innovate. Most of the older guys, including Heyman, have been talking about stealing things back from MMA. That would be a step in the right direction instead of this nostalgia trip TNA has been on with bring old guys in and repackaging the people who should be the face of their company with old guy gimmicks (AJ Styles as Ric Flair, Abyss as Hogan, etc) which makes the whole company look bush league.

4) They need to excel in places that the WWE don't. X-Division, Knockouts, they were already moving in the right direction before Hogan and Bischoff showed up.

5) They need a good, competent booker that can listen to the fans when necessary and book long term. There is no quick fix for TNA.

[quote name='007']Personally, I think Heyman's demands were for the same reason RVD demanded $10,000 per appearance after his dates... they don't really want to do it, but if someone was crazy enough to agree to the ridiculous terms, they'd be there. Either way, Heyman wins.[/QUOTE]

I really don't think so. He wanted a Dana White style deal and the WWE already offered him amazing money to run their development promotion (OVW at the time?) which he turned down awhile ago.

Seems like he doesn't want to get caught up in politics and wants to get something out of turning around the company.
 
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[quote name='mykevermin']Someone please reassure me that I'm not the only one who sees Dixie Carter and sees a boatload of parallels b/w her and George W Bush.[/QUOTE]

Stay the course. Mission accomplished. Strategery. Dixie is very George W. I won't deny that.
 
Paul E does have a track record other than ECW. I thought his work at OVW was excellent. Focused on matches, sensible feuds, good turns that weren't spontaneous or arbitrary, and much more of the 'trimmings' (i.e., talkie-talk segments) happened backstage and not in front of a crowd. Perhaps 1-hour of tv time means you simply can't have 20 minute segments with no breaks or matches, but OVW was excellent while he oversaw it.

[quote name='Habbler']Stay the course. Mission accomplished. Strategery. Dixie is very George W. I won't deny that.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking more of pre-president Bush. Spoiled rotten, silver spoon fed blithering Texas idiot running companies into the ground because they were family gifts to fuck up. How many companies did Bush screw up monumentally before he became governor?
 
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