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Well, at least 'excessive partying' is better than the reports that Mickie got... you know, the ones that painted her as a whore. Regardless, I can't get all bent out of shape about Serena being cut, mainly because I didn't really see her (or any other SES member) having much of a shelf life past the gimmick. Still, like someone said, we should get a great Punk promo out of it.

At that TNA spoiler... Really? REALLY? This is why I don't feel bad when I rant about TNA.

Going back to a comment on the last page about SummerSlam 2000... one of my biggest gripes with this era of wrestling is that the crowds just don't see to give a shit. You picked up on it immediatly, that the crowd used to care about almost everything on a card, and now you're lucky if they pop for more than Cena or Orton. It goes pretty far in showing just how much they've thrown the mid-card under the bus in terms of getting people to care about them. Still, it's a combination of that, the boring matches (really, it's hard to pop when nothing interesting happens, even if you *do* care about the wrestlers), and the sheer change in crowd. Then, if my choice is between whatever these WWE fans are doing or hearing TNA fans go 'this is awesome!' every other segment, I may take silence. That's *almost* as annoying as 'What?'. God, I hate Stone Cold so much for that. So much.

In a really roundabout final point to that last paragraph... it's why what they're doing with The Miz is as exciting as it is, because people *give a shit*. He works the crowd, and they react, which is becoming rare, especially for someone not in the main event scene.

No one should underestimate how important a good crowd is to wrestling. A dead crowd will make a great show seem mediocre, and a hot crowd will make a middling show seem great. Why WWE seems to want them to shut the fuck up, I have no idea. It's another reason that I want TNA to go out on the road, because the Impact Zone is killing them. Nothing seems exciting there, which is a problem. So, I don't really have an ending to this, so I'm going to stop now.
 
That new promotion in Florida has been pushed back to early 2011.

As Dave Scherer wrote yesterday, word has been making the rounds in recent days that the Milton Wilpon/Peter Karoftis/Sean Davis Florida upstart, which we know now has been named Worldwide Wrestling Promotions, was pushing back its planned Fall launch for January 2011. The delay was confirmed to the roster and staff of WWP in an email early this morning from Sean Davis, real name R. Sean Pascoe, who noted they now planned to launch in the early part of 2011, but didn't have a firm date.

In the email, which PWInsider.com acquired from numerous sources, Davis wrote that "the financing side" of the company told the wrestling side, "our original time table is not at all feasible. While we were all committed to launching in October we know now that has become an impossible goal. Our new goal is to start operations in the first part of the new year however we do not as of today have a firm date. That unfortunately means that contracts will have to be changed to a new starting date."

Pascoe went on to explain that while he "fought this decision KICKING AND SCREAMING (literally)", that the "corporate side of the company" feels the delay has to happen. He warned the roster that "unfortunately it comes down to either this move is made or this company does not move forward."

Pascoe told the wrestlers and staffers that they would be issued contract addendums drawn up by WWP's attorney and if the talent didn't wish to sign them, he understood. Pascoe told those emailed, "You will still be welcome to come back to work for us in the future once we are up and running in the early part of the new year. For those of you that sign the contract addendums you will be receiving extra shares of company stock and the addendums will also spell out our full health and benefits plan that will be made available to you."

Pascoe noted that the company has been hit with "more than our fair share of bumps", blaming it on "many forces in the wrestling business." Pascoe wrote these forces were "doing whatever they can to sabotage everything we are trying to do and doing everything in their power to make sure that this company will never launch. I can promise you though that no matter how many hurdles we have to jump over that there are people here dedicated to doing everything they can to make sure this company WILL launch and we will be a long time player in this industry."

Pascoe declared that WWP was not launching "a new independent promotion or something that is going to be on the long list of fly by night wrestling companies that have come and gone." He wrote that they are planning on "becoming over the next decade the premiere wrestling company in the world" but that "obviously does not happen overnight."

Pascoe also promised details on several deals that the company had completed in "the next few weeks."

As all this is going on PWInsider.com can confirm that representatives of the upstart WWP have been reaching out to a number of known power players in the business, including Paul Heyman and Jerry Jarrett.
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I have a bad feeling this is going to explode on the runway.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I have a bad feeling this is going to explode on the runway.[/QUOTE]Actually, I feel the exact opposite. I think this is a very good move for WWP to make. They're being smart and not rushing into a bad situation. Think about how often these days wrestling/sports-entertainment companies rush things and screw them up as a result. I view a little patience as a good thing.
 
I have no feelings on the delay either way, but I'm not so much feeling 'WWP'. Too close to WWE, and it sounds like a juvenile dig. "Haha, you love the WWpeE!" You know, the kind of 'clever' name change the illustrious wildcpac would use.

Completely unintentional, obviously, but I was expecting something a bit more different. Not like TNA different, but not something that's going to sound the same if Mumblin' Joe says it.
 
[quote name='strongpimphand']1:36 mark....i'm sorry playboy, that's clearly her...[/QUOTE]
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No he was the OP on the NBA Thread and he kept changing the name to like LeBitch James F's Cleveland and other petty stuff. I remember a Mod coming in and having to hijack the thread.
 
[quote name='onetrackmind']wildcpac was pretty much the most annoying poster to ever post in the wrestling threads.[/QUOTE]

Whatever you say, wildcpac.
 
Jerry Lawler hasn't been a good announcer in ages, but goddamn his kayfabe is to die for:

"The appearance that I didn't like ECW and everything is hopefully attributed to my ability to sell what we're trying to do on the air. A lot of people think I really, absolutely hated ECW, which couldn't have been further from the truth. If you look back, you'll see that I was the only one who went and worked with ECW from the WWF. I went and worked their pay-per-views. You don't work on someone's pay-per-view and wrestle on their show if there's genuine bad feelings between the two. I was always... I won't say a big fan, because I was down in Memphis and I didn't really get to see firsthand all they were doing. I heard about it. I knew. Because we were trying to keep the Memphis Territory afloat, I knew the struggles and hardships these guys were going through."
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I'm so tempted to buy the Undertaker gear for my Xbox avatar. I should just spend my points on a game to prevent such a foolish waste.
 
The WWP concept sounds intriguing... "premier wrestling company in the world?" Yeah.. good luck with that. Nice to see such confidence in an already saturated market... but damn. Also, the name sucks.
 
There was a little blurb on SD about "WWE Summer Slam" being the #1 search on Google the day of the PPV. I wonder if they realize that a significant portion of those searches were most likely looking for free streams.
 
Twitter is far more useful for searches of that sort. "Allegedly."

How many people need to search for something to make it the top search?
 
[quote name='neocisco']There was a little blurb on SD about "WWE Summer Slam" being the #1 search on Google the day of the PPV. I wonder if they realize that a significant portion of those searches were most likely looking for free streams.[/QUOTE]That was the first thought in my head when I saw it, too. Gotta love the Sports-Entertainment spin machine.
 
i bet michael cole is one of those people who outside of work is a completely different person who on a slow day at the bar could tell you so many stories that you leave mad as fuck that you didn't at least tape record 'em...
 
She got her head bounced off a locker or something a few weeks ago.


Is Brutus Magnus' new gimmick supposed to be a douchebag Hugh Jackman? He pulls it off very well.
 
Impact thoughts -

The show opens with Dixie coming out. Great. Open the broadcast with its most boring on-air character. She and Flair go back and forth on the mic for a while, with Flair being awesome, then Dixie's husband Serg comes out and gets tackled by Fortune. Flair gets suspended, Hogan comes out, unsuspends him and then makes an 8-man tag match for the main event. EV2 lumbers out and beats up dudes. Douglas's suit is swank. Angle cuts a promo for his team and gets his face cropped off the screen during half of it.

OJ comes out with a Joe action figure necklace and spreads its legs. He messes around with Val and Taz wonders why since she isn't attractive. Then Joe comes out and kicks OJ's ass. For some reason, Jeff Jarrett comes out and talks about how far Joe has come in the five years he's been in TNA. Let's see, he started as an X division guy, won the title, was unbeaten for two years, drew TNA's biggest buyrates with Angle, won the title, and now he's facing Orlando Jordan on Impact. Jeff says he needs Joe's help against Nash to counteract Sting. Well, at least one thing on the show makes sense. Joe tells him that he doesn't choose sides and then leaves Jeff to face Nash.

Nash and Jarrett had quite the plodding match. I think these two had some Raw matches in '94 that I was actually excited about because it was a rare chance to see Jarrett in a main event-level match. Times have definitely changed. Nash hit the corner elbows for possibly an entire minute straight. It ended when Sting, back in Wolfpac paint, beat Jarrett with a bat. Then Eric came out to distract him so Hogan could hit Sting with a chair from behind. What a dick.

Beer Money killed the FBI in quite a squash. This was really good stuff here. While I'm not a fan of getting rid of 2 of the only 3 EV2 guys who can still move, this did more to further this feud as being a serious deal than any of the wacky back and forth promos they've done have. After this, Dreamer talked to Hogan, who told him to slice Abyss's legs off, but also to sit out a week. Dreamer had problems with this, but didn't mind doing it last week for Dixie. Later, Stevie cut a wacky promo about getting Abyss's head on a stake for Dreamer. Stevie's a great character, but his execution was too silly for my liking.

The Original BPs came out and said shit, then Madison came out and insulted them and they brawled. This took eons to actually execute on-screen. London Calling shopped for new threads in one of the funniest little vignettes TNA's done in a long time. It even had a little runner - Chelsea got treated like shit , and got her revenge when they left their credit card out and she took it. It was another bit with the TNA writers getting their anti-women stuff on the show (ALL WOMEN ARE GOLD DIGGERS), but this was a funny way to do it.

Guns-Bucks was every match they've ever had against each other, just shorter. The unbelievably choreographed nature of Gen Me's stuff really stuck out in this match, and led to a really stupid bit where one was held onto Sabin's knees and the other one did a moonsault without actually looking to see he was jumping onto the right guy because it was just their usual spot. Lots of fast action, including THE most wicked X Factor ever that saw Sabin land on the top of his head. Flair cuts a promo against Hogan. Sting comes up behind him and chokes him out with his bat, in what I think was their first on-air deal together in TNA.

Then Stevie beat up Abyss in the yellowest part of the building. Thankfully, this didn't go on for 90 years like last week's brawls with Jeff Hardy. It only felt like 50 this time around. Not only was everything yellow in this area, but it was nearly impossible to hear them shout insults at each other because of how badly-miced it was. Then Rhino came out in the ring and demanded that Abyss come out and fight him. Goddamn it. ANOTHER fuckING BRAWL. Seriously. Back-to-back brawls that were basically the same shit over and over. Well, except during this one, Rhino didn't hit the gore. Then they did more shit, and he finally hit it. AJ cut a promo about how none of the other guys have been in TNA to build anything, and singled out Hardy as not being there long enough to build anything. How long's it take to make a meth lab?

Fourtune came out to a mix of Flair's synthesizer version of the 2001 theme and some generic rap. After intros, this MAIN EVENT 8-MAN TAG started at 10:50. Despite being short, this was a pretty good little match. It made me wish they'd cut out some stuff they didn't need, like the back to back brawls when one would have sufficed, nine hours being dedicated to the battle of TBPs, and the Jeff-Joe promo. Morgan really shined here - his style is perfect for an 8-man tag because he can do the few things he does that look great and then tag out to the other, better workers. Douglas seemed to struggle slamming Jeff's throat into the rope. I'm going to assume that Jeff's either gained too much weight, or he dead-weighted him. Probably the latter.

Everybody hit their finishers, then Pope stole the pin and Angle was pissed at Pope for being selfish and winning because he wanted to be selfish and win. Then the faces fight amongst themselves and get beat up by Fourtune, furthering the idea that faces are incredibly stupid by nature. Seriously, STING outsmarted these guys tonight. Then EV2 came out and beat up Fourtune. EV2 and Hogan's Fatal Four brawled with Fourtune. Way too goddamn much stuff happened here.

Impact Screens -





Man vs. Fowl






Dixie's TWO BIGGEST ICONS OF WRESTLING!


The League of Extraordinary Frowning




This looked a lot more deadly in motion.


And this just looked ridiculous


Impact Quotes -

JB - PLEASE WELCOME THE PRESIDENT OF TNA - DIXIE CARTER!
Dixie - From the first day that I’ve been president, a lot of amazing things have happened, but we’ve also had challenging times. During those times, it makes the success that much sweeter. Through the hard times, TNA has become stronger. We’ve become more unified. Been through the hard times, this company’s become a family. The critics gave us 8 weeks to succeed, AND HERE WE ARE 8 YEARS LATER WITH MORE SUCCESS THAN EVER BEFORE. There have been countless men and women who have sacrificed so much to get where we are today, and I made a vow that I would not let anything or anybody hurt this company - and I intend to keep this promise. Ric Flair, do me a favor and come on out here, I have something to say.
Crowd -WOO!
Flair - You are drop-dead gorgeous. Almost to the point of being sultry. Why don’t you and I go back to the hotel and resolve this like two grown adults? Why air our business on national TV? You know I want you, and they know I want you.
Dixie - Really, Ric? I was so excited to have the Naitch as part of this fiamily. Remember talking about how you were gonna be a leader? YOU HAVE FAIELD MISERABLY AT THAT. Hulk and Eric said that Ric was all about Ric, and I didn’t want to believe them, but you’ve proved me wrong. Your actions since HJ have been sick, cowardly, and pathetic. While I might admire your legendary status, your actions over the past weeks give you no favoritism. You have to be treated the same as every man and woman in the back.
Flair - The same?
Dixie - Yes, and you’re suspended without pay for 90 days. You’ve brought this on yourself.
Flair - Without making this anymore personal, does that mean you’re suspending Fortune?
Dixie - No.
Flair - Well, you should consider that Fortune and Flair are one and the same. THIS IS TNA! You guys look good tonight. WOOO! Come here, Matt. These are some of the greatest pro wrestlers I’ve ever seen in my career.
Dixie - I agree, but I ant to remind you that each one fo thse guys were with TNA BUILDING THIS COMPANY LONG BEFORE YOU GOT HERE. IS THIS YOUR DEFINITION OF MENTORING? WHAT YOU’RE TURNING THEM INTO!?
AJ - I’m a champ! Know what I’m saying?
Flair - You’re not really trying to upset me, are you?
Dixie - No, I’m not. But while you’re sitting on the sidelines, these guys will be wrestling and doing great things in TNA, but you won’t be with them.
Flair - WHILE I’M SITTING ON THE SIDELINES!? RIC FLAIR?! NATURE BOY!? ON THE SIDELINES!? NOW I’M GONNA SHOW YOU WHAT NAIGTCHIN’S ALL ABOUT!
Taz - THAT’S SERG - DIXIE’S HUSBAND!
Flair - THIS IS YOUR HUSBAND!? DRAG HIM OUT TO THE MIDDLE!
(Hogan comes out)Flair - DON’T GET INVOLVED IN THIS!
Hogan - Flair, tell your boys to let him go or I’m gonna stick this size 15 where the sun doesn’t shine!
Flair - THIS IS NO-MAN’S LAND. ANGLE, YOU KNOW BETTER. I’LL SHOVE THAT MEDAL UP YOUR ASS! WOAH BOYS! Don’t give into them!
Hogan - Hey Flair, the smartest thing to do is listen right now, brother. When I started in TNA, I made a deal with Dixie that we were gonna run it 50/50, brother, and now that Dixie is up to her neck in crap, I’m gonna override what she just said. I’M RUNNING THE COMPANY AND IT WOULD BE TOO EASY TO PUT YOU ON THE SHELF. YOU’RE NOT SUSPENDED. After what Jeff and I felt at the hands of these guys right here, after you beat us down, that would be too easy, brother, and if what you wanted to do was piss me off, you did a real good job! There’s one thing you need to realize - these men are the whole show, this is the REAL TNA.
Flair - REALLY!? SHUT UP! SHUT UP! WHAT ABOUT THIS DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND!? THIS IS TNA. WE’RE TAKING OVER. WE ARE HERE NOW! THAT’S WHAT ABYSS HAS BEEN TELLING YA. WE’RE GONNA TAKE THE COMPANY OVER ON MY TERMS, WHEN I’M READY, AND IT WON’T BE TONIGHT.
Hogan - Why not tonight?
Flair - I’m not ready tonight. When I want to do it. Morgan, don’t leave my side.
Hogan - Beer Money’s gonna be busy, so why don’t four of your guys take on these four. Since I’m running the company, YOUR FOUR AGAINST MY FOUR, TONIGHT FLAIR!
Taz - THEY IS FORTUNE!
Angle - TONIGHT, WE’RE GONNA BRING THE KEYS TO THE COMPANY BACK TO DIXIE!
Taz - Earlier today, Orlando Jordan grabbed me. Well, not literally.
Tenay - Why does he always get Val into this stuff?
Taz - You saying Val’s not attractive?
Crowd - WELCOME BACK! WELCOME BACK!
Tenay - THEY are Fortune.
Taz - Orlando took the pink, little glovey thing off. I guess the pink lycra thing was in the way.
Taz - Well, he likes action figures.
Tenay - What’s he think about atomic drops?
Taz - YAMBAG. Not sure if he has one, actually.
Taz - Muscles gonna get busted!
Tenay - PLEASE STAY TUNED - WE’RE GONNA FIND OUT WHAT’S ON JEFF JARRETT’S MIND WHEN WE RETURN TO IMPACT!
Jarrett - Joe, it’s been 5 years since you joined TNA, and I knew from the first day I laid eyes on you that I wanted you to be a part of the greatest wrestling company in the world - TNA. Joe, I know it, you know it, and these people know it - you’ve come a long way in 5 years. I feel like I’ve been a big part. I’ve helped a lot of young guys here in TNA. I’m not here to ask any favors, but tonight, I want you to be in my corner when I take on Nash. TONIGHT. Now Joe, you know what Sting and Kev are about - they’re trying to tear down what you and me grew from the ground up. THEY’RE TRYING TO RIP THE HEART AND SOUL OUT AND SPIT IN THE FACE OF THE BEST FANS IN THE WORLD. Joe, you know it’s served up from selfishness. They’re pissed that they’re not the top dogs around here anymore. Joe, you’ve been around the block with Kev, and Hulk’s got his hands tied up with Fortune. I’ll take care of Nash in the match, and you can take care of Sting. Deal or no deal?
Joe - First off, Jeff, you need to understand that I don’t choose sides because I don’t have to. There’s one thing you need to understand about me is that I play for one team - MY OWN.
Taz - I agree with Joe - why get involved in something you don’t have to?
Taz - We’ve been hearing about this stuff between Nash and Jarrett? WHEN ARE WE GONNA HEAR ABOUT WHAT IT’S ABOUT?!
Tenay - There’s a lot of questions and not many answers.
Taz - It’s like a story that only Nash and Jarrett know the details to.
Tenay - What the hell is going on here?
(after Jeff ALREADY SAID WHY HE NEEDED JOE)Tenay - I GUESS HE WANTED JOE OUT HERE TO COUNTERACT STING!
Eric - Ri…Sting? REALLY!? It’s come to this. YOU’RE GONNA SHOW PEOPLE WHAT KIND OF POND SCUM YOU ARE AND HOW FAR YOU’VE FALLEN.
Sting - BRING HOGAN!
Eric - You want me to bring Hogan out to you?
Sting - I WANT HOGAN!
Eric - Is that what you really want?
Sting - BRING HIM ON!
Eric - Be careful what you wish for, because every once in a while, you’ll get it. I’m not sure you’re man enough to understand that. Sometimes, you’ve gotta feel it! (Hogan sneaks up behind Sting and hits him with a chair to the back)
Hogan - Whether you like it or not, Dreamer, we’re on the same page. Abyss needs his legs cut off. Get him on the table and hack away.
Roode - JAMES, KICK HIS HEAD OFF!
Taz - Fortune’s trying to eliminate members of EV2.
Dreamer - I WANT ABYSS’S HEAD ON A STICK!
Stevie - RRAWWR! YOU WANT HIS HEAD ON A STICK!? I’LL DO IT!
(the Original TBP comes out)Taz - FLAGPOLE’S UP!
Taz - We have anymore pigeons? LET THE PIGEONS LOOSE!
Love - I have made a lot of mistakes in my life, as have you, but we all learn from our mistakes. You and I jhad a friendship in this business that is very hard to come by. I felt that when we went our separate ways, it felt like something was missing. I’m sure everyone felt the same way. I’m not always a perfect little angel, and when I really want to be, I can be a pretty mean bitch. But ya know, I really do value our friendship. We should forgive and forget so we can move on.
Velvet - At this point in the game, there’s no sense in rehashing the past. Especially with that monster we created, Madison Rayne - REALLY!? You and I can pick up what we started. WE CAN DOMINATE ONCE AGAIN THE ENTIRE KNOCKOUTS DIVISION, BABY. HOLLER!
Taz - IT’S Madison Rayne. With the Giant Helmet Motorcycle Chick.
Rayne - If I wasn’t such a lady I would barf right now! First of all, both of you will be hit with a lawsuit by my lawler for COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT! YOU WILL NEVER COME OUT TO MY SONG AGAIN! AND NEVER EVER REFER TO YOURSELVES AS THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE! LOOK AROUND YOU RIGHT NOW. HELLO. I’M TALKING. I’M THE ONLY BEAUTIFUL PERSON IN THIS RING. And I’m over here. AND I’M ALL NATURAL UNLIKE YOU TWO SILICONE WHORES.
Tenay - Hey. You can’t say silicone.
Rayne - Champ, I don’t know if the botox has infected your brain, but it was you who brought me to TNA because TBP needed youth, beauty, and class. YOU WERE AT THE END OF THE ROAD BEFORE I MADE YOU A MAIN EVENT AGAIN. And Velvet. You, let me make one thing clear, you are and have always been, one thing and one thing only - and that is my little bitch!
Tenay - Revisionist history from Madison Rayne leads to your favorite word - catfight!
Taz - THAT’S GUNNER. Or Murphy. He’s real handsy with Velvet.
Wolfe - Chelsea, keep the umbrella over my head!
Chelsea - Can I get a dress?
Wolfe - Yes. When you have your own money.
Chelsea - Can we get something to eat?
Wolfe - No. You ate yesterday.
Magnus - No general public allowed while I and the Dens are shopping for threads.
Taz - Love London Brawling. LONDON CALLING, LA LA LA LA!
Tenay - Ladies and gentlemen, the vocal stylings of Taz.
Taz - The goal of tag teams is to keep the unfresh member of the tag team unfresh!
Tenay - IT WORKED FOR THE ANDERSONS BACK IN THE DAY AND WORKS FOR TEAM 3D TODAY!
Flair - YOU SAID YOU’RE PISSED!? WE’RE FORTUNE. I’M TNA. I AM THE MAN. AND NOW I GOT 5 OR SIX GUYS WHO ARE THE TOP OF THIS COMPANY. AND NOW THEY FIND OUT…
Sting - Hey Flair… It’s Sting…
Rhino - ABYSS. YOU WANT TO FIGHT SOMEONE, FIGHT ME NOW!
One fan - EV TWO POINT O!
AJ - I BUILT THIS COMPANY FROM THE GROUND UP. It sure hasn’t been Hardy - HE HASN’T BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO BUILD ANYTHING!
Taz - AJ’s got a huge feather on his head. As awesome as he is, that was hilarious.
Anderson - Ladies, gentlemen, and Fourtune. I HAIL FROM GREEN BAY, WISCONSIN. MI…. MIIIISSTTERRR ANDERSON! AN-DER-SON!
Taz - Flair just has to get involved. He can’t help himself.
Taz - MAYBE WE’LL GET MORE ANSWERS AS TO WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE AT IMPACT ON REACTION!

Reaction was pretty good. Hogan's comments about TNA being on the brink of destruction, and Angle saying that Jeff Hardy's only as good as his opponent were pretty funny. Foley acknowledging that he hasn't been at his best for a while was interesting, largely due to his recent bitching about Meltzer not feeling that his promos were as good as they once were. This made me actually look forward to a Foley match because it seems like he's motivated now in a way he hasn't been before.

The Young Bucks cut better promos than I expected. Were they perfect? No, but they were allowed to at least be themselves and sink or swim based on their own merits. The team they've clearly been influenced by most, the Hardys, still can't cut good promos in 2010, and this was at least better than theirs were when the Hardys were at this stage in their careers.

This show is more consistently good than Impact is, and did more to make me want to see Sabu-Douglas than anything they could do on Impact to build it up. Well, they COULD have done this stuff on Impact, but they never will, because it was simple, so yeah. Impact's the show for goofy builds that draw no money, and Reaction's the show that builds things simply so they can draw money, but can't because no one actually sticks around to watch it.

Reaction quotes -
Taz - Back then, if a WWE or WCW guy came onto our show, we’d have done the same thing. EV2 is like a muscle car and Fourtune’s like a 2010 Ferrari.
Tenay - THE ATTACK ON DIXIE AND SERG WAS TOTAL BULLSHIT!
Dreamer - AJ. DON’T RUN. I KNOW YOU’RE FASTER. I GOT A BAD LEG. YOU’RE A PUSSY!
Angle - Jeff’s only as good as his opponents. He’s the kind of guy you have to push, and if you do, he’ll shove back.
Ad Guy - The Pope has recovered from a career-ending injury suffered at the hands of Mr. Anderson.
Douglas - EV2 is nothing but a bunch of Bingo hall, backyard wrestlers. They’re an affront to wrestling. I want the art form of wrestling to receive the respect it truly deserves. EV2 brings that respect down.
Sabu - They picked the wrong guys to fuck with.
Douglas - He’s not gonna beat me with his high-flying antics.
Rhino - We’ve heard that Fourtune is They. If They are They, then it’s just another group’s asses we need to kick.
Rhino - We just wanted to have fun with a pay-per-view. Then people became a bunch of motherfucking douche bags.
Roode - DON’T SEND BOYS TO DO A MAN’S JOB!
Tony Luke - We paid the tab for Beer Money tonight.
Guido - We just keep coming back.
Douglas - This is wrestling. It’s a sport. Tommy Dreamer needs to learn about the rules.
Camera Man - And you play by those rules?
Douglas - Of course. Always.
Bischoff - Is it controversial to have the top 4 world title contenders in a tag match 3 days before the PPV? Sure. BUT CONTROVERSY CREATES CASH!
Hogan - This company needs a champion. I DON’T CARE IF YOU NEED TO CRAWL THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE EARTH!
Velvet - Madison, you messed with the wrong bitches.
Love - We were a group in wrestling unlike any before.
Velvet - For all the wannabe BPs, you’ll never be like us.
Max - Yeah. We’re Christians. But we’re also pro wrestlers.
Max - I think that if you have a plan B, you’ll never be a wrestler.
Jeremy - We never had a plan B.
Hogan - THIS COMPANY IS ON THE BRINK OF DESTRUCTION!
Jarrett - I wanted Joe to help me cut the cancer out of TNA.
Joe - For the first three years I was in TNA, Jarrett was the Grand Pumba who held us all down!
Foley - I don’t think fans have seen the real Mick Foley for a while. I mean the guy who put Cactus Jack on the map.
 
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Lance Cade's Father: Linda McMahon Disrespected My Family

Harley McNaught was planning to stay silent and grieve. Then he saw what Linda McMahon said about his dead son.

McMahon, the former CEO of World Wrestling Entertainment, was asked last week about the death of McNaught's son, who wrestled for the WWE under the names "Garrison Cade" & "Lance Cade" and who had struggled with an addiction to painkillers before being released by the company, then dying earlier this month of heart failure.

"I might have met him once," McMahon said as she insisted that the company could not be blamed for deaths of its employees outside the ring.

That response has left Harley McNaught and his son's other survivors furious.

"I've been with him on two different WWE functions where she came up to him and knew him by name," McNaught said in an interview from his office in San Antonio, where Lance died, aged 29, on Aug. 13.

"She disrespected him," McNaught said. "She disrespected my family."

The father also said he thinks McMahon and her husband, who remains at the helm of their $1.02 billion corporation, know exactly what a toll the driving pace of wrestling competition can take on individual wrestlers struggling, as his son did, to work through injuries and not be passed over for a chance to be in the spotlight.

Lance McNaught "would have cut his arm off for Vince McMahon, but it wasn't there in return," his father said. "He don't care any more than the man in the moon for them, other than as dollar signs."

McNaught's death has revived the primary question that has nagged McMahon as the Republican's campaign for the U.S. Senate roars ever closer to Democrat Richard Blumenthal in opinion polls: Has the rags-to-riches saga of Stamford-based WWE come at the expense of the health and well-being of the wrestlers? Or are the company and the candidate being unfairly asked to answer for the private behavior of other adults?

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Meanwhile, a McMahon campaign spokesman said it "certainly wasn't Linda's intent to diminish any additional interaction she may have had" with McNaught.

"WWE has nearly 600 employees and about 140 contracted performers, and I think it's understandable that Linda may not recollect every interaction she's had, particularly given the fact that she's personally met with thousands of voters since resigning her position at WWE in September," said spokesman Ed Patru. "Linda's a very kind and sympathetic person, but she is human."

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Back in Texas, Harley McNaught didn't hesitate when asked if he now regrets his son's decision to go into professional wrestling.

"No, I don't," he said, "because that was his dream from childhood. He loved the business."
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Honestly....this story troubles me.

Because I believe the father....I believe that Linda did go up to him a few times and knew his name and shit.

...But...like what many people do....they find out who they're going to speak to before they just walk up and speak to them. I do it all the time! I'm sure Linda has done it to many people. Ask someone "who is that gentleman" and they say "lance cade" and she goes "oh yea, vince said he was good last night...."

Boom! You got a conversation and she looks involved.


So that's why I get disturbed by stuff like this
 
[quote name='strongpimphand'] "oh yea, vince said he was good last night...."

[/QUOTE]

I know it wasn't the intent, but this made me laugh.
 
sad thing is....now that I think about it....it could be looked upon that way too :(
 
The big problem is that we'll never really know what happens internally in WWE. The bits and pieces that we've gotten about any kind of Wellness oversight are either from disgruntled former employees (who tend to knock it), or currently employed people (who laud the program). There's no transparency to anything they, so outside of knowing that wrestling destroys the shit out of you, we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes in terms of just how much WWE management pays attention to health issues.

This is going to become an even bigger story for Linda in the wake of the special that aired last night about brain damage, which heavily featured Benoit, including interviews from his father. Any quotes from WWE are completely obvious 'washing our hands of it' speak, as they disregard any actual findings without offering any research of their own.

Ultimately, though, the strategy of 'deflect, deflect, deflect' is really the only one that either Linda or the WWE have. Linda needs to distance herself from the wrestling stuff, though at the end of the day it won't be 'disrespecting Lance Cade' that would cost her an election. Really, I don't think the wrestling stuff is a big issue to voters. WWE, too, has to deflect, because any accountabilty for these issues will hurt the core of their business, bottom-line. They accept that it's a bad lifestyle and shorten the schedule, their business model changes and they lose money. They begin to actually employ wrestlers and give them healthcare, which again makes them lose money. There is no smart move they can for their business here, which is why they'll fight tooth and nail to deflect it.
 
The biggest lie about WWE's wellness program is that WWE can be trusted.

It's their program, it's their implementation, they have their exceptions. They can't be trusted to do things ethically or properly.

The biggest means of exposing all this is Vince McMahon's attitudes towards steroids. He, even in recent months/years, has defended their use in pro wrestling (it's not competitive, so there's no competitive advantage to be gained) and criticized attitudes/studies of their deleterious effects (saying there's no credible empirical evidence that steroids have long-term negative consequences).

Actually, the whole 'competitive advantage' line of Vince's is the most telling, since it's the kind of deflection 007 is talking about. There's no competitive advantage in the ring, but to act like there's no workplace competition is the most boldfaced lie I've ever come across. Now, the pressure to use steroids is OF COURSE going to be implicit ("put on more upper body muscle" they told Nigel McGuinness in 2003-ish), and not explicit ("do more steroids"). WWE declined to make Claudio Castagnoli a developmental offer a few years ago, yes? When he had some muscle tone, but not "WWE™ Muscle Tone." So I saw him at ROH last week, and the dude easily put on 25lbs of muscle (and was more toned) since I last saw him last.

There's enough plausible deniability to it all to make you think WWE really does care. But how fuckin' deluded must you be to think WWE cares?

Yeah, yeah, TNA doesn't give a fuck either, but their schedule is what - 2 or 3 weekends a month now?
 
Wait... TNA isn't going to use The FBI anymore?

They could have legitimately used those two.
 
[quote name='PWInsider.com']The SyFy Channel had their camera crew filming the matches this week, which means that another season on NXT is pretty much guaranteed.[/QUOTE]Considering that NXT was supposedly getting dropped when Smackdown debuts, I wonder if it really is NXT season 3 or, hopefully, something better, like "WWE Superstar Development: FCW".
 
[quote name='Brak']Wait... TNA isn't going to use The FBI anymore?

They could have legitimately used those two.[/QUOTE]

The FBI has been in ECW, WCW, WWE, and TNA, and it's been ruined each and every time except for the original.

How can you fuck up an ethnic tag team?
 
Tony Borne, Matt Borne's father, has also passed away.

The FBI team wasn't in WCW, although Mamaluke did team with Vito in WCW's take on the same kind of gimmick in 2000, or whenever it was when WCW decided to give Vito a main event-level push.
 
Wow that sucks. I was a big fan of Luna's work. I loved her interactions with Sable, Goldust, even the Parade of Human Oddities. I liked Luna so much I was cheering for her son Van Vachon to win Hell's Kitchen last season.

*Pours one out for a great female wrestler.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']The FBI team wasn't in WCW, although Mamaluke did team with Vito in WCW's take on the same kind of gimmick in 2000, or whenever it was when WCW decided to give Vito a main event-level push.[/QUOTE]

six-of-one-half-dozen-of-the-other. shaddup.

Also, Gertrude? Wow.
 
Luna's house burned down a few weeks ago. Not sure what she did to deserve all that. Luna came from a forgotten era where women could actually goddamn wrestle. Today we've got Beth Phoenix who's injured and Gail Kim whose talent is relegated to bikini contests and squirt gun fights and as good as they both are, neither can carry the giant bag of crap that is the Divas division.

Every time wrestling comes up in discussion my brother always asks "so who died this week?" And what sucks is I've never NOT had an answer.
 
I'm sad about Luna Vachon's passing. I was never the biggest fan of her, but it was awful to hear about her house burning down and her losing everything.. and now she's gone. Mick Foley was asking people to send her items from her career to her.. I hate to think this way, but I wonder if she killed herself.
 
JR posted a blog about it.

It is said that death comes in three's. Apparently that's morbidly correct. Upon hearing of Luna Vachon's passing this morning came another reminder that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.

The exact cause of Luna's passing has not been determined but 48 is much too young for anyone to be taken from this world and our sincere condolences go out to Luna's family and the many friends that she had in and out of the wrestling business.

When Luna reported to me in WWE's talent relations department many, many years ago she was a hard working, passionate, almost obsessive performer who definitely had the wrestling business in her blood.

Her family, the Vachon's, will always be known as one of the best known 'wrestling families' ever in the business. Her father, Paul (Butcher), and her famous uncle, Maurice (Mad Dog) Vachon were stars for decades.

Luna told me that being a wrestler was the only thing that she wanted to do since she was a small child. She said she couldn't remember the time when she didn't want to wrestle for a living.

Inside the ring was where Luna seemingly felt the most comfortable with herself both professionally and personally. She was an excellent in ring performer who helped many of her fellow females become better wrestlers.

At times, Luna was very hard on herself when she felt that she didn't have the match that she wanted to have and was more often than not her own worst critic. I found out that praising her and doing what I could do to help her self esteem motivated her to no ends.

While Luna Vachon wasn't perfect, none of us are for the record, she was more often than not fun to be around.

Like many other human beings, Luna was susceptible to personal challenges and WWE assisted on these matters on multiple occasions.

The last time that I saw Luna was in Las Vegas a couple of years or so ago at the Cauliflower Alley Club reunion when Bret Hart was honored and I attended along with Steve Austin. Luna was so happy to see us both. We had our photo taken together and had a great visit. She was driving a tow truck in Florida and Steve and I both enjoyed Luna's 'tow truck stories.'

One could tell that she missed the wrestling business but was pleased that she was an independent woman, had a job and was apparently garnering much needed stability in her life.

We talked about her being diagnosed with being bi-polar and her having issues with depression of which she battled on an on going basis for a good while. Luna was a battler and was a tough individual who said she was going to keep fighting the good fight but that it wasn't easy. Steve and I both gave Luna many words of encouragement and spent significant time with her at the CAC function talking old times and mostly laughing about our mutual experiences. Without question, laughter is good medicine for all of us.

I know Luna loved her family, especially her children, and had a twinkle in her eye when talking about them. It was as if she wanted to make up for lost time with her family, especially her sons. Being off the road and working a 'regular job' was going to give her the opportunity to do so.

Luna and I couldn't believe that it had been well over a decade since we had talked as she left WWE, I believe, in 2000 or so. When one is younger we ask, "Where did the day go?" and when we get older we catch ourself asking, "What happened to that decade?"

Luna Vachon had a unique and often times challenging life but even with the issues that she battled she had many friends who, as will I, always look back upon the good days that we shared.

Perhaps now Luna can finally find peace and tranquility in Heaven where her existence will finally be problem free.

Rest in Peace Luna. You will be missed.
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This is getting out of hand. I just looked at a list of wrestler's obituaries and it's sad the amount of people that we've lost over the past five years before the age of 50.. Chris Candido (though technically I guess it wasn't his fault), Eddie Guererro, Johnny Grunge, John Tenta, Bam Bam Bigelow, Mike Awesome, Sherri, Chris Benoit and Woman (I debated on whether or not to include him in this list, but I decided to, as they said his brain resembled that of an 80+ year old with alzheimer's disease), Brian Adams, Andrew "Test" Martin, Umaga, "Dr. Death" Steve Williams, Ludvig Borga, Chris "Kanyon" Klucsaritis (who I completely forgot had died), Lance Cade, now Luna..
 
A very nice piece by JR on Luna. It's very sad to see her go.

Also a reminder than Lucha USA is not on MTV2 tonight and the new episode will be played on Saturday at noon est.
 
[quote name='pimpster4183']I remember when Luna was a playable character on WWF Raw for the Sega[/QUOTE]

Me too. Spent a LOT of time with that game and some friends. On the other hand look at some of the roster:

* 1-2-3 Kid (problems well known)
* Bam Bam Bigelow (dead)
* Bret Hart (retired, but in wwe)
* Diesel (Nash is doing OK)
* Doink the Clown (Depends on which version I guess)
* Lex Luger (problems well known)
* Luna Vachon (dead)
* Owen Hart (dead)
* Razor Ramon (rehab... somehow not dead)
* Shawn Michaels (retired)
* The Undertaker (Doing pretty good for himself :) )
* Yokozuna (dead)

Kinda sad, huh? The game came out in 1994.
 
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