The Macho Man Randy Savage Wrestling Memorial Thread

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[quote name='xilly']
Second class status? Well, considering they're doing something that is adversely against nature's intentions, they are obviously choosing to do something that is different from "the norm". [/QUOTE]

Choosing, eh?
 
Really, guys? Can't we just get back to talking about scantily clad men grabbing each other and rolling around the ring? ;) Seriously.. let's not go here...
 
I thought the whole thing was pretty obvious Punk was in character when he did the fishing action at the end of the video. Of course I don't think TMZ included that part of the video in their post. He doesn't need to insult fans or wrestlers by using homo, etc, etc. Punk's a lot smarter than that. Punk manned up though and took responsibility, so you have to respect him for that. I highly doubt that he's some sort of right wing Republican punk like myke thought. I think on Twitter he's voiced advocacy for gay rights/marriage and things of that nature, so I don't know why he decided to use homo to insult a fan.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']You're from Indiana.[/QUOTE]

You're from Kentucky, correct? Assuming so, there are broad generalizations that could be made about you as well. I know you can do better than that, myke.
 
Goddammit Myke, I'd offer to have your kids if I wasn't convinced it'd give some people in here the heebie jeebies.

Gay is not a synonym for shitty.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']So am I. Don't lump me in with that mouth-breather.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. My apologies.

[quote name='neocisco']You're from Kentucky, correct? Assuming so, there are broad generalizations that could be made about you as well. I know you can do better than that, myke.[/QUOTE]

Alright, alright. A combination of low-hanging fruit and a lifetime of experience. I can honestly tell you *every time* I've been to the state of Indiana, I experienced some form of overt racism/homopohobia/bigotry. It's a fucked up place on the whole, but at least the hee-haws there are kind enough to, like xilly, wear their bigotry on their sleeves. Seriously: at least they don't pretend they are into equality.

[quote name='JJSP']Goddammit Myke, I'd offer to have your kids if I wasn't convinced it'd give some people in here the heebie jeebies.

Gay is not a synonym for shitty.[/QUOTE]

It's cool; I'm not into having kids. SO I'M VIOLATING THE NATURE'S INTENTIONS WHEN I HAVE SEX.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']

It's cool; I'm not into having kids. SO I'M VIOLATING THE NATURE'S INTENTIONS WHEN I HAVE SEX.[/QUOTE]

:lol:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
It's cool; I'm not into having kids. SO I'M VIOLATING THE NATURE'S INTENTIONS WHEN I HAVE SEX.[/QUOTE]

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I check the thread yesterday and things were okay, I come back today it's went full retard. What the hell?
 
This has happened SEVERAL times here, why homosexuality comes up so much in this thread is beyond me. Punk did what he did in the heat of the moment, then when it came he apologized. If ANYONE here has said they've never said something they regretted in the heat of the moment then had to apologize for it, congratulations, you're better than most.

Now, on topic. Do you think WWE has a clear ending to the Cena/Punk match or do you think they will have a few options to see how the crowd goes? I doubt Cena will be in such an anti-Cena crowd since he was at ONS 2 against RVD.
 
To change the subject, and whatnot, I have an assignment for someone on here who has some time.

Which Japanese promotion is currently their WWE? Do they still have a WCW to counterbalance it or are the relationships more akin to WWE and TNA wherein while both have national exposure, one is very obviously larger and has a larger fanbase. Thanks.

Real talk though, I'm at flight school now and shit is intense. They really don't want me to crash and the remedy appears to be staggering amounts of homework and online courses to go along with actual flight training. I just got a bunch of free furniture from my friend and I won't get to set anything up until I have a second to breathe on Saturday. FML.
 
Why does disagreeing with a lifestyle choice make me a bigot? I disagree with Pot too, but I've got friends who enjoy it. One of my very closest friends is gay, and he's married (went out of state) and that guy treats him better than my wife treats me. I love him to death, but he knows I don't agree with his choices. I never said I wasn't for equality, I simply said that turning any insult into anything more than that is garbage.

Like Eddie Griffin said, the more you use a word the less power it holds over you, so why be offended at a scoff like "homo"? It just irks me that anyone wants special attention over something so silly. You don't see fat people bitching to sue organizations for using the phrase "fat ass". Punk knew better, but didn't use a better inciteful statement. It's not like he pulled a Tracy Morgan. GLAAD should lighten up a bit.
 
^ Stop dude. You went the "against nature's intentions" route (also the "choice" one) as a means of justifying second class treatment of LGBTQ people. That's bigotry at its finest, and let me be perfectly clear: unless you're only into boring old baby-makin' missionary-position fuckin', you're working against nature's intentions. Blowjobs are against nature's intentions. So cut the bullshit, admit you said shitty and hateful things, act like a grown up, and we can all move on. Okay?

[quote name='cdubb1605']This has happened SEVERAL times here, why homosexuality comes up so much in this thread is beyond me. Punk did what he did in the heat of the moment, then when it came he apologized. If ANYONE here has said they've never said something they regretted in the heat of the moment then had to apologize for it, congratulations, you're better than most.

Now, on topic. Do you think WWE has a clear ending to the Cena/Punk match or do you think they will have a few options to see how the crowd goes? I doubt Cena will be in such an anti-Cena crowd since he was at ONS 2 against RVD.[/QUOTE]

Two options:

1) Cena retains and Punk is really leaving.

2) Cena retains and Punk really isn't leaving.

I think that the truth is a bit of 1 and 2. Here's what I see: Punk is gold to WWE right now, who is clearly struggling for a lack of upper card talent (and that's something they refuse to think is of their own doing). At any rate, they don't want him to go, and this one slip isn't a big deal (didn't Michael Cole call someone a f*ggot on twitter a few months back with no punishment at all?). Punk's stock couldn't be higher right now, because fans want to see what he'll do next. If you think he offended anyone backstage with what he said during his "shoot" promo on Raw (in terms of WWE Corporate), you're out of your mind.

That said, I do believe his contract is up. I do think he'll take some time off. Maybe he'll hit up NJPW; maybe he'll hit up ROH for a bit. There's zero chance he'll hit TNA. But, yeah, contract is totally up. But he's surely verbally committed to coming back to WWE in 3-6 months' time, when we least expect it, unannounced and white hot from some time re-establishing his cred in the indy scene (and dude can work us like a motherfucker, so that won't be hard for him).

Short story: I think that he's doing what Brian Pillman had in mind when he convinced WCW to let him out of his contract in the mid-90's (when he did the loose cannon bit in ECW). WWE is a smarter company than WCW, so they surely have checks in place to ensure that he'll be returning and that this really isn't Punk leaving, but Punk needing time off to charge his batteries.

Dude has been with WWE for how long now? When did he leave ROH? 2005? 2006? Let's not pretend like his frustrations with the company mean he's leaving for good. I mean, sure, pretend that those frustrations are real - but then you're just buying what Punk is selling.
 
CM Punk wins the belt. Raw MITB winner cashes in immediately, wins. They hold the belt for one night, Cena regains it, business as usual.
 
Unless he wants to go to Japan he has no where else to go. WWE has to know this. After five years he isn't going to want to be the big fish in a little pond.
 
That's plausible, but it's also (1) a little bit too Vince Russo/TNA-style booking and (2) to do so would turn someone into a mega babyface champion (i.e., they would be the defender of the WWE from the archvillain Punk) - only to be knocked down a notch by dropping it back to Cena (which I agree would happen). Who would you do that with?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']^ Stop dude. You went the "against nature's intentions" route (also the "choice" one) as a means of justifying second class treatment of LGBTQ people. That's bigotry at its finest, and let me be perfectly clear: unless you're only into boring old baby-makin' missionary-position fuckin', you're working against nature's intentions. Blowjobs are against nature's intentions. So cut the bullshit, admit you said shitty and hateful things, act like a grown up, and we can all move on. Okay?[/QUOTE]

Why does what I said have to be hateful or shitty? Since you're throwing blanket stereotypes out, know that every gay person I've ever gotten to know has seemly only turned gay for the attention it brings them (usually the women) or from serious emotional damage from previous heterosexual relationships that turned them to the other side. My comment wasn't hateful, it was an observation of what I've seen, the same as your comments about Indiana. Which, btw, I live on the river and work in Louisville KY. I've also been to Pride twice, and several gay bars with friends, despite your feelings on how much of a bigot I am.

I still feel like homosexuality is a choice, and scientists are actively researching whether or not it is a trait by birth or a perversion/mental illness. Don't state facts as fact when they are still doing research. Just because I don't support their choice doesn't mean that I think they are second class. Several things I said were meant to sound sarcastic, but it didn't translate I guess. At any rate, I posted my original statements in spoilers to avoid starting a bitchfest. Sorry for hijacking the thread, but I really dislike being called out as something that I'm not.
 
I can see where this is going. I know if I want to rip into this guy that Myke is probably frothing at the mouth. For the sake of the thread I think we should all just drop it. Let us all refrain from the gay debate.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']That's plausible, but it's also (1) a little bit too Vince Russo/TNA-style booking and (2) to do so would turn someone into a mega babyface champion (i.e., they would be the defender of the WWE from the archvillain Punk) - only to be knocked down a notch by dropping it back to Cena (which I agree would happen). Who would you do that with?[/QUOTE]
Isn't Riley in MITB? Best person to do that to all around.
 
Maybe he doesn't intend to wrestle anywhere during his time off. As far as I can remember he hasn't taken any time off in his entire WWE tenure - even when he had the hip and arm injuries he still appeared on every show.
 
Cena wins, then Vince comes out and introduces Del Rio (who should be the MITB winner) who takes the belt. As much as I'd like to see them do a "World Without Cena" story for a bit, there's no fucking way when they are banking on Rock/Cena to sell Wrestlemania tickets.
 
Sorry for fucking up the thread. :/

Anyone else think they'll pull the tired ass win on ppv, drop title on RAW bit with Punk?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']EDIT: Riley winning MITB? You're out of your mind.[/QUOTE]
I don't want it to happen, but I remember a lot of people not thinking Miz would win either. Maybe not in this thread, but there were a lot of people that thought they wouldn't put that kind of faith in him. This move doesn't even need faith in the guy since they will be dropping the title within a few days anyway.
 
The safe bet is that Cena hits the AA in the middle of the ring and gets the three count. This really all depends on whether or not Punk has re-signed. If he has, it really opens up the booking options for this match.
 
[quote name='JP']I don't want it to happen,
but I remember a lot of people not thinking Miz would win either. Maybe not in this thread, but there were a lot of people that thought they wouldn't put that kind of faith in him. This move doesn't even need faith in the guy since they will be dropping the title within a few days anyway.[/QUOTE]

I don't want Riley to get pushed up that fast either, someday perhaps but not yet. I just have this sneaking suspicion that the writers will want to go all "apprentice has become the master" though and have Riley carry his own briefcase this time around. Its an easy fit that I could see them going for.
 
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[quote name='cdubb1605']This has happened SEVERAL times here, why homosexuality comes up so much in this thread is beyond me.[/QUOTE]strongpimphand's legend lives on.

[quote name='CaseyRyback']Unless he wants to go to Japan he has no where else to go. WWE has to know this. After five years he isn't going to want to be the big fish in a little pond.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it matters to Punk at all. He's set for life, financially. He loves wrestling, and any other organization than the E will allow him to do what he wants in the ring. They need Punk a lot more than he needs them.
 
And Rico, though if memory serves Rico asked Adrian Street for his blessing first. Which is commendable.

Street's gimmick was ahead of it's time and it's a shame it never got a fair shake in a mainstream major us promotion. WWF did a fucked up version with Adrian Adonis, but that was more to humiliate him for showing up for work in (by far) the worst shape of his career. Braden Walker has nothing on Adonis there.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']strongpimphand's legend lives on.[/QUOTE]


now now, I didn't mean it that way at all. Definitely not a homophobe (groomsmen in a commitment ceremony in early August), guess it was just poor wording on my part, hadn't checked the page in a couple days and read ALL of the exchanges and hastily typed my response. So, as I stated earlier. I regret my wording and that's my bad.
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']now now, I didn't mean it that way at all. Definitely not a homophobe (groomsmen in a commitment ceremony in early August), guess it was just poor wording on my part, hadn't checked the page in a couple days and read ALL of the exchanges and hastily typed my response. So, as I stated earlier. I regret my wording and that's my bad.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to you pointing out how often homosexuality gets posted in here (in one form or another). Not trying to call you out on anything, don't worry. ;)
 
Whoa. I had no idea Roddy Piper got the leather jacket gimmick from Adonis. Really makes me wish I knew more of the mid-80's WWF.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I don't want Riley to get pushed up that fast either, someday perhaps but not yet. I just have this sneaking suspicion that the writers will want to go all "apprentice has become the master" though and have Riley carry his own briefcase this time around. Its an easy fit that I could see them going for.[/QUOTE]

I think it's way to early to pull the trigger on Riley right now. If he won it at MitB, I'd bet you my first born that he'd have a Swagger run.

Give him time. He's got the talent, the look, and the crowd is clearly behind him, even if it may just be a case of them hating The Miz. He just needs a bit of grooming first.

EDIT: Also, today it's been 15 years since:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO9zxsRzN-M&feature=player_embedded
 
Cool, thanks for mentioning that, I wasn't feeling old enough this week. ;)

It's amazing, though, to realize that up until 2 months ago every person involved in that match was still alive. It's getting rarer and rarer to find big angles where all the participants are still living.
 
[quote name='JJSP']Whoa. I had no idea Roddy Piper got the leather jacket gimmick from Adonis. Really makes me wish I knew more of the mid-80's WWF.[/QUOTE]

I didn't know Piper's jacket was a gimmick. Huh; but I didn't start watching until right after WMIV, so this was all 2 or so years before I got into it.

EDIT: http://www.cagesideseats.com/2011/7/7/2263923/wwe-misleads-glaad-with-their-punishment-of-cm-punk

Good article exposing how WWE gave GLAAD a bullshit answer as a response to Punk's utterance at the house show.
 
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[quote name='Purple Flames']I think it's way to early to pull the trigger on Riley right now. If he won it at MitB, I'd bet you my first born that he'd have a Swagger run.

Give him time. He's got the talent, the look, and the crowd is clearly behind him, even if it may just be a case of them hating The Miz. He just needs a bit of grooming first.

EDIT: Also, today it's been 15 years since:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO9zxsRzN-M&feature=player_embedded[/QUOTE]


I forgot that Bash at the Beach was the same day the decision happened.
 
Zack Ryder vs "The Chosen One" Drew McIntyre on today's WWE Superstars. I think its pretty clear that Ryder turned face. You know it.
 
Not as great as the time Randy Savage saved the Rebellion.
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[quote name='Halo05']Not as great as the time Randy Savage saved the Rebellion.
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:lol: The sarlacc pit had it comin'.
 
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