The Official 2007/2008 NBA thread

[quote name='ph33r m3']I understand that Rose is a Chi-Town kid, but the Bulls have to take Beasley.

They have 0 post-presence, Thomas is a bust, and Noah is more a 7th/8th man off the bench.

Maybe try and trade Thomas for something, I know Deng didn't re-up so he'll be a UFA.

The Pistons just didn't flip the switch tonight, add to the fact that Rasheed Wallace is the biggest waste of talent i've ever seen in one player next to Darius Miles.

Wallace can shoot the 3, back anyone down in the lowpost and all he does is just chuck up 3's like their's 5 seconds left in the quarter.[/QUOTE]I disagree about Noah being a 7th/8th, but I do agree Thomas is a bust. He's like Tyson Chandler IMO, where he'd probably play better elsewhere.

Although he's athletic, I didn't see him as being so special in college and felt the Bulls should not have drafted him. He has potential, but just way too inconsistent. He seems like he'd do fine on an older NBA team (like the Spurs or something), where he can just show occassional flashes with an older veteran team (and learn from more experienced players).
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Being from Michigan I actually hope the Pistons lose just to shut up all of the Piston love around here.[/quote]

Here as in CAG? Or here as in Michigan? Because you will get a following from one of the most consistent Basketball teams in the past 10 years. At the very least, the most consistent team in the East. If you hate on a team because they are good, you should rethink why you watch sports. You don't make it the the conference finals three time in a row on luck. There is a reason why there is Piston love. They are a great team.
 
Tyrus Thomas got to the NBA becuase of athletic ability, not basketball ability. He's Darius Miles minus the stupid after-dunk crap Miles does.
 
[quote name='Kendal']Here as in CAG? Or here as in Michigan? Because you will get a following from one of the most consistent Basketball teams in the past 10 years. At the very least, the most consistent team in the East. If you hate on a team because they are good, you should rethink why you watch sports. You don't make it the the conference finals three time in a row on luck. There is a reason why there is Piston love. They are a great team.[/quote]

The Pistons are an above average team and thats it. They are not a great team. A great team would be the Lakers. (even though I hate them)

They are the definition of underachiever. Let me explain further. I discount any team in the EAST that makes the playoffs. You barely even have to be 500 to be 8-5(maybe even 4) So being 1-3 means only that you have more than 2 players on your team that can score. So that means nothing to me. I think they have something like 4 conference titles(??) but guess what? Only 1 championship. (with this group) Again are you going the route of, "We are a great team because we get 3 or 4 place every year?" Hell last year they let Bron Bron with a shitter version of the cavs completely destroy them. And you do get to the conference finals 3 times in a row when the teams you have to beat are the 76ers, The Hawks, The Raptors ETC ETC. Half your conference can barely win .500 of their games. Also with the at least one of the top 3 teams will knock each other out before the Pistons even have to play them.

So lets continue to the play offs. Being that they are in the East means this. If the Pistons are a 1,2,3 seed..they are vsing teams that are barely .500 all the way up to the conference finals. To me that is not a badge of honor. Your beating up on crappy ass teams for 90% of your entire season...with only a handful of games that should actually challenge you.

Also, if you ask any Pistons fan what is wrong with the Pistons they will say that they are wildly inconsistent. The Pistons are known for taking games off. They also have players who are wildly inconsistent. Billups is a flash in the dark most of the time. Prince is the same way and we thought about trading him for a while because if it. Dice is a solid player but he is just an average player. Wallace as I have said before could be the top 3 greatest players to ever play the game but he takes a hell of a lot of games off.

Their flaws are very much hidden due to the fact that the east is such a horrid division.

I think you are completely off in you view of how good the Pistons are. They are alright. 1 championship is not enough to call a team great. They still clearly take games off and they still try to play that flip a switch style of basketball thinking they are so great they only have to play in the 2nd half. Their defense is gone with Larry Brown.They also dont have good back up most of which they dont even play.

They should send cards to Boston and thank them for getting rid of the cavs.

EDIT: I think the problem is this. There is a lot of feelings that are carried over from that 2004 team. That was indeed a great team. Great defense, great offense, great coach. Its not there anymore and people need to come to terms with that. That great 2004 team is dead and gone now.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Tyrus Thomas got to the NBA becuase of athletic ability, not basketball ability. He's Darius Miles minus the stupid after-dunk crap Miles does.[/quote]

HA!

Or Mr. Gerald "I learned I need to know from Darius Miles "Green


gerald green is a funny guy. Because there are a group of people that think this guy was amazing solely from playing NBA 2k8. Being a video game gerald green is most likely the best player in the game simply beacuse his dunk rating is a 99. Which meant you could take off from the free throw line ever time for a jam.

I love when people try to make a case for players using their effectiveness in a video game. Oh madden fans and your love for Mike Vick simply because he could out run all the defender so you didnt need to play real offense.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']HA!

Or Mr. Gerald "I learned I need to know from Darius Miles "Green


gerald green is a funny guy. Because there are a group of people that think this guy was amazing solely from playing NBA 2k8. Being a video game gerald green is most likely the best player in the game simply beacuse his dunk rating is a 99. Which meant you could take off from the free throw line ever time for a jam.

I love when people try to make a case for players using their effectiveness in a video game. Oh madden fans and your love for Mike Vick simply because he could out run all the defender so you didnt need to play real offense.[/quote]

Heh! :)
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']The Pistons are an above average team and thats it. They are not a great team. A great team would be the Lakers. (even though I hate them)

They are the definition of underachiever. Let me explain further. I discount any team in the EAST that makes the playoffs. [/quote]

I stopped reading or caring about any further input. This is all I needed. You are just a hater. That is all. Thanks for proving my point.
 
[quote name='Kendal']I stopped reading or caring about any further input. This is all I needed. You are just a hater. That is all. Thanks for proving my point.[/quote]

Ahhh. I see you have gotten to chapter 2 "If all else fails call them a hater!" of the "Idiots guide to winning a debate."

That book does wonders.


EDIT: Its funny how I am not really saying anything more than 1/4 of all of the Detroit based sports radio stations are saying yet I am the hater. God damn you fail.
 
The Bulls traded for Thomas, traded away Aldrige.

I actually think Hinrich is a pretty serviceable PG, at least in the East anyways.

Hinrich/Gordon/Sefalosha/Beasley/Aldrige

With Noah and Nocioni coming off the bench is damn nasty.
 
I look at the Pistons as a great team with above average players.

The whole is much better than the sum of its parts.

If you look at the members of the final four, the Lakers, the Celtics, the Spurs, and the Pistons, the Pistons are the only one that doesn't have a mutli-dimensional franchise type of player. Lakers have Kobe, Celtics have KG, Spurs have Duncan. The Pistons don't have one player that really is in that mold. IMO the closest they have to that is Chauncey Billups and that is a stretch. Richard Hamilton is really good, but has nowhere near the impact on a game those franchise players I mentioned before have.

I really think the Pistons dropped the ball a few years back by passing up Carmelo. Melo still needs to get better, but he has the skill set to build a franchise around (if he can cleanup the off court stuff).
 
The Detroit Pistons are the Atlanta Braves of the NBA.

[quote name='Soodmeg']HA!

Or Mr. Gerald "I learned I need to know from Darius Miles "Green


gerald green is a funny guy. Because there are a group of people that think this guy was amazing solely from playing NBA 2k8. Being a video game gerald green is most likely the best player in the game simply beacuse his dunk rating is a 99. Which meant you could take off from the free throw line ever time for a jam.[/QUOTE]
I got to watch Gerald Green here, he's got all the athletic ability anyone could ever ask for, simply tremendous physical talents. But he's got no brain, no basketball IQ, no ability to think the game or to even be aware of what he's supposed to be doing at either end of the floor, at any time.

Not going to college hurt him tremendously, he wasn't in a great high school basketball program and he never really had the opportunity to learn the game. He should probably go to Europe for a while and actually learn how to play basketball.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I look at the Pistons as a great team with above average players.

The whole is much better than the sum of its parts.

If you look at the members of the final four, the Lakers, the Celtics, the Spurs, and the Pistons, the Pistons are the only one that doesn't have a mutli-dimensional franchise type of player. Lakers have Kobe, Celtics have KG, Spurs have Duncan. The Pistons don't have one player that really is in that mold. IMO the closest they have to that is Chauncey Billups and that is a stretch. Richard Hamilton is really good, but has nowhere near the impact on a game those franchise players I mentioned before have.

I really think the Pistons dropped the ball a few years back by passing up Carmelo. Melo still needs to get better, but he has the skill set to build a franchise around (if he can cleanup the off court stuff).[/quote]

Yeah I agree with that. I never said the Piston sucked completely ass or anything. I said they are underachievers. You have 1 title in 8 years and I dont care how many conference titles you win...you are still losing in the play offs bottom line. Again you are beating teams that can barely get to .500 and you bounce them out of the play off with ease.

And 1 titles with 7 play off exist does not equal great team.

The Pistons have continuously gotten worse since winning that title. Losing larry brown and their defensive identity. Not getting key role players for the bench. Drafting people they have no real plan of using anytime soon. How many years are they going to draft 3 or 4 people and only have them play 10% of the games? Where is Amir Johnson? Aaron Ofoloa(??) Hayes or Walter Herreman.

And flip just being a flat out bad coach. He has yet to be able to spark his team enough to keep them playing all out for more than 2 or 3 games before they take their traditional "game off."

The Pistons are at core very inconsistent from top to bottom. As you said NK they dont have a star player and because of that they dont have a "go to guy" which means when they are struggling they cant turn to one person and say hey.....get it going for us. And that goes for the defense also. They dont have a star defensive guy that can get them going..beacuse we all know Flip cant spark them.

Last year the defense were completely carved out by Bron Bron by himself. BY HIMSELF! Maybe Kendal didnt actually watch that series but if you did you would have seen the worst team defense in the history of the play offs. One guy bounced them out of the playoffs. Now Paul Peirce is out their just molesting the 3rd team all defensive guy in Prince. Did you hear that? Prince is a NBA all defensive guy and he is getting just raped by Peirce. Now granted Perice is playing out of his mind but that is where a great defender is suppose to come through.

You have 5 starters who all have huge consistency problems. Other than Rip who is always good for a 15 foot jump shot off a pick but by no means will ever take over a game. Wallace is most likely your best bet but we all know how lazy that mother fucker is.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I look at the Pistons as a great team with above average players.

The whole is much better than the sum of its parts.

If you look at the members of the final four, the Lakers, the Celtics, the Spurs, and the Pistons, the Pistons are the only one that doesn't have a mutli-dimensional franchise type of player. Lakers have Kobe, Celtics have KG, Spurs have Duncan. The Pistons don't have one player that really is in that mold. IMO the closest they have to that is Chauncey Billups and that is a stretch. Richard Hamilton is really good, but has nowhere near the impact on a game those franchise players I mentioned before have.

I really think the Pistons dropped the ball a few years back by passing up Carmelo. Melo still needs to get better, but he has the skill set to build a franchise around (if he can cleanup the off court stuff).[/quote]

I really believe Chauncey is vastly overrated, he had that great run in 2004 when they beat the Lakers and he was dubbed "Mr. Big Shot", since then he's really not lived up to his potential, hell all of the Pistons really haven't. Everytime I watch this team, I think, they can do more, they can play better. No reason Sheed shouldn't be dropped 20 pts 10 reb, Richard Hamilton 20 pts, Tayshaun 10/10, Chauncey 20 pts/7-9 assists.

I can understand them passing on Melo, they picked Prince last year, and needed someone to pair with Sheed. I'm very high on Melo, who IMO is overall the best offensive threat in the game. He has all the tools, he has one of the better jumpers in the league, can post on the block, shoot the 3, dish the ball. He can play defense, it's just Karl isn't that type of coach. The Nuggets would be idiotic to trade him and pick to maintain Karl, they're pulling a C-Webb/Don Nelson.

[quote name='dafoomie']The Detroit Pistons are the Atlanta Braves of the NBA.


I got to watch Gerald Green here, he's got all the athletic ability anyone could ever ask for, simply tremendous physical talents. But he's got no brain, no basketball IQ, no ability to think the game or to even be aware of what he's supposed to be doing at either end of the floor, at any time.

Not going to college hurt him tremendously, he wasn't in a great high school basketball program and he never really had the opportunity to learn the game. He should probably go to Europe for a while and actually learn how to play basketball.[/quote]

Gerald Green got picked mostly because of the hype of his High-School Mcdonalds All-Star Game Dunk Contest.

What's sad is the kid has a nice jump shot.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']I really believe Chauncey is vastly overrated, he had that great run in 2004 when they beat the Lakers and he was dubbed "Mr. Big Shot", since then he's really not lived up to his potential, hell all of the Pistons really haven't. Everytime I watch this team, I think, they can do more, they can play better. No reason Sheed shouldn't be dropped 20 pts 10 reb, Richard Hamilton 20 pts, Tayshaun 10/10, Chauncey 20 pts/7-9 assists.
.[/quote]

Thank you. They are suppose championship team...

They have a lot of average guys who together equal a slightly above average team.

I still stand by my statement that if the exact same Pistons team was in the West they would be a 6 seed tops. If that. When you have a conference of teams that are 10 -15 games plus above .500 that dont make the play offs you simply cant just take games off anyway you want.

You said it best man. They had that great run in 04 and hasnt done a god damn thing since but float around the top of a really bad confernce. Now people will yell out conference titles. And again...who cares they are not NBA titles. Bottom line. You play the game to win an NBA title...not a conference one.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']What's sad is the kid has a nice jump shot.[/QUOTE]
He's got a GREAT jump shot. If he had taken 4 years to study the game of basketball, he could've been something. But now he's 22 and washed out of the league.

Paul Pierce really tried to take this kid under his wing and teach him the little things, but Green wasn't real interested. He didn't want to put the time in to make himself a better player. Now he's got nothing but time, and he still hasn't really learned his lesson. Some team will sign him, he'll continue to run and jump real well, and not know how to play the game.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']He's got a GREAT jump shot. If he had taken 4 years to study the game of basketball, he could've been something. But now he's 22 and washed out of the league.[/quote]


This brings up a good point. What do you guys think of this rule that you have to go to college for 2 years before entering the NBA? (More so you have to wait 2 years....not actually go to college)

I disagreed completely with the rule as I feel is very discriminatory against the kids that have the talent to do so. I dont understand why you have to force players to disappear for 2 years before allowing him to come back.

For one...we allow kids to turn pro in almost every other sport. Tennis, Golf, Soccer, Baseball (even with minors leagues you are still a pro)


Now I know people are going to say..."there is so many benefits for going to college...ect ect." Not necessarily. You have to remember that these players come from all around the world with entirely different backgrounds. I think there is a lot more that goes into it than just......hey let me go to the NBA.

A great example of this is Sebastian Tailfair. Who I really related to when he made the decision to go pro instead of going to college. See he wanted to go to coach but like most players came from a dirt poor family that lived in a rough ghetto. When he went off for his college tour. 2 guys broke into his apartment complex and shot a drug dealer 2 house down from where he stayed.

So how do you as a a 17-18 year old kid decide if you should fly off and be the man at some college when at any given time someone could break in and kill your parents?

And there are stories like that all over the place. Players over seas growing up in war torn areas that are bombed every day. I dont know. I was just always pissed off at that rule. Maybe because I grew up the same way. Dirt poor with almost no way out of the hood.

The draft is and always will be a crap shoot. There are always going to be bust and always going to be great players. So I dont think the rules is "protecting" the NBA coach because they took a chance on a high school player. I mean its your fault for drafting him. And there is many college bust every year also.
 
I think you should be able to go pro when you want. College is still going to be an option for most. Only a select few highschoolers are first-round material each year. The one year rule right now is pretty bad since the kids don't have to put any real effort into class if they are one and done.


Korleone Young played near where I live at Hargrave Military Academy and jumped to the pros, but didn't make it in the NBA. People act like he is working a minimum wage job now, but from what I understand he still played professional basketball overseas. It ain't NBA millions but I bet its damn better than the shit I do. Another guy from my area played at ODU in the mid 90's, Odell Hodge and he does well overseas. I also played basketball against University of Houston graduate Kenny Younger when I was living in North Dakota and he is playing professionally in France now. I don't know about you, but I'd kill to play b-ball for a living so I can understand the highschoolers desire.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I think you should be able to go pro when you want. College is still going to be an option for most. Only a select few highschoolers are first-round material each year. The one year rule right now is pretty bad since the kids don't have to put any real effort into class if they are one and done.


Korleone Young played near where I live at Hargrave Military Academy and jumped to the pros, but didn't make it in the NBA. People act like he is working a minimum wage job now, but from what I understand he still played professional basketball overseas. It ain't NBA millions but I bet its damn better than the shit I do. Another guy from my area played at ODU in the mid 90's, Odell Hodge and he does well overseas. I also played basketball against University of Houston graduate Kenny Younger when I was living in North Dakota and he is playing professionally in France now. I don't know about you, but I'd kill to play b-ball for a living so I can understand the highschoolers desire.[/quote]

Yeah and I completely forgot that point. People think that if you dont make the NBA that you start work at K-mart bagging. There are places to play all over.

One of my best friends now plays overseas in Holland. He makes a shit load of money. He went to college for free at canisius in New York and plays for a team I cant even hope to pronounce over seas. Here is a highlight tape of his college career. Its a short clip.

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvTOlymZEns[/MEDIA]
 
It would be easier if the NBA had a minor league system like the NHL did. You can draft college players in the NHL and keep them there.

Most people who enter the draft at 18 set themselves up for failure, you're more likely to succeed with a couple of seasons of college ball or overseas. Its also a burden on teams to draft 18 year olds who are less ready and need 3 years before they can play, when an entry level contract is only 3 years.

Its more to protect the NBA, but it helps the players, too. The NFL has similar rules in place, and the NFL is most like the NBA in terms of college being their development league instead of a minor league system like baseball and hockey.


The NBDL is for scrubs, and those players still count on your roster and still earn their full salary. Its not a real minor league system.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']It would be easier if the NBA had a minor league system like the NHL did. You can draft college players in the NHL and keep them there.

Most people who enter the draft at 18 set themselves up for failure, you're more likely to succeed with a couple of seasons of college ball or overseas. Its also a burden on teams to draft 18 year olds who are less ready and need 3 years before they can play, when an entry level contract is only 3 years.

Its more to protect the NBA, but it helps the players, too. The NFL has similar rules in place, and the NFL is most like the NBA in terms of college being their development league instead of a minor league system like baseball and hockey.


The NBDL is for scrubs, and those players still count on your roster and still earn their full salary. Its not a real minor league system.[/quote]


Yeah, NBDL is usually scrub area. My sister got her picture taken with Mikki Moore though when he was with the Roanoke Dazzle and he did pretty well when he got back to the NBA.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']It would be easier if the NBA had a minor league system like the NHL did. You can draft college players in the NHL and keep them there.

Most people who enter the draft at 18 set themselves up for failure, you're more likely to succeed with a couple of seasons of college ball or overseas. Its also a burden on teams to draft 18 year olds who are less ready and need 3 years before they can play, when an entry level contract is only 3 years.

Its more to protect the NBA, but it helps the players, too. The NFL has similar rules in place, and the NFL is most like the NBA in terms of college being their development league instead of a minor league system like baseball and hockey.


The NBDL is for scrubs, and those players still count on your roster and still earn their full salary. Its not a real minor league system.[/quote]


All I have to say in response to this is.....Mateen Cleaves.

4 years of college and a championship. One of the single worst player I have ever seen on the hardwood.


I know that is extreme but college doesnt really mean you will be any better. If you have the talent you have the talent. If you have the mind set to do well you will be a good player. Ask KG, ask Kobe, ask, T-Mac, ask Bron Bron, even some of the 2nd or 3rd tier guys are doing well in their roles.

Its all about the player. As a NBA scout you have to know the type of player you are trying to draft.
 
What i'd do, if I was the NBA Commisioner, is i'd allow kids to jump from high school to pro's, but the High Schooler's couldn't play with the team that drafted them. They'd be sent to like the NBDL or some EuroLeague. I know it's a huge stretch, that will never happen, but it would pay the kid and allow the player to get some seasoning. You have a rarity of high-schoolers who can jump out of high school and play (LeBron,Dwight,KG). Kobe was horrid out of his 1st year of high school, all he could do was dunk ala Gerald Greenish. Durant could probably have done it. If the high schooler proves he can play, call him up.

This 1 year rule is ridiculous, takes away basketball scholarships to players who actually want to go to college, and makes the powerhouse schools stronger.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']All I have to say in response to this is.....Mateen Cleaves.

4 years of college and a championship. One of the single worst player I have ever seen on the hardwood.


I know that is extreme but college doesnt really mean you will be any better. If you have the talent you have the talent. If you have the mind set to do well you will be a good player. Ask KG, ask Kobe, ask, T-Mac, ask Bron Bron, even some of the 2nd or 3rd tier guys are doing well in their roles.

Its all about the player. As a NBA scout you have to know the type of player you are trying to draft.[/QUOTE]
The 4 years of college gives teams a greater sample size from which to judge a player, its easier to judge from a track record that involves playing against other high level players instead of a couple years against average joes in high school. Baseball has realized this, and college players are valued higher as a result. A few NBA teams have noticed this too, and are drafting Europeans and keeping them overseas for a few years to develop.

Nothing is stopping 18 year olds from turning pro... They just can't play in the NBA. They can play in the D-league, or overseas, but a lot of these guys are unwilling to pay their dues.

The NBA wanted the minimum to be 20 or 2 years out of high school, but the players association fought it and got it down to 19/1 year, which is bad for the NCAA.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']The 4 years of college gives teams a greater sample size from which to judge a player, its easier to judge from a track record that involves playing against other high level players instead of a couple years against average joes in high school. Baseball has realized this, and college players are valued higher as a result. A few NBA teams have noticed this too, and are drafting Europeans and keeping them overseas for a few years to develop.

Nothing is stopping 18 year olds from turning pro... They just can't play in the NBA. They can play in the D-league, or overseas, but a lot of these guys are unwilling to pay their dues.

The NBA wanted the minimum to be 20 or 2 years out of high school, but the players association fought it and got it down to 19/1 year, which is bad for the NCAA.[/quote]

The 2 years should be institued, as an option, you can either jump to the pros, or take a scholarship and have to stay for 2 years, no jumping after one year.

The player gets a huge dis-advantage, from playing high school ball, on my team last year we had Clarence Trent who would've probably jumped if he had the chance, but the college rule will do him well.(http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=34369)
Whichever college he goes to will make tons of money off of him, but that whole debate of "Should College Athletes be paid?" is a whole other arguement.
 
i dont want the spurs to win AGAIN...they used to be boring to watch to me...now they are a little more easier to stomach with more responsibility coming from manu and tony...still they don't need another chip
 
This whole game is pissing me off....

Who here saw Parker get touched on the back of the neck then see him fall to the floor grabbing the FRONT of his face in "pain"

Kobe does NOT need to be taking jump shots yet, he's gotta drive in, get some energy going, that should be enough to jump start the Lakers again, because this is just ridiculous....

Btw, their passing is HORENDOUS right now, do they not know there are Spurs players on the floor?
 
The Spurs are a team that I can watch only if the team their facing is actually interesting to watch like the Lakers,Hornets,Suns,Warriors. Ditto with the Pistons, can't watch them unless their facing an interesting team like the Celtics,Cavs,Raptors.
 
Jeeezus, I cannot believe they came back from a 20 point deficit to win. Thank goodness for a great defensive stand in the 2nd half and a huge Spurs drought.

I hope the Lakers learned from this game, they were getting whooped on defense in the first half and let the Spurs continue their game from Game 7 >.>
 
[quote name='Nelo Ice']Laker Win Hell Yeah[/quote]

WOW!!! How about them Lakers again! :D

I was again on the edge of my seat before the end of the 3rd and 4th.

The Lakers did a fantastic job on defense and started to double team Tim Duncan, when they needed to. :cool:

The Black Mamba aka Kobe Bryant took the game over and went to work when needed.

Good Job Lakers to go up 1-0 in the series !!! :bow:
 
That was an awesome game. Disappointed Spurs lost but I did not expect them to win game 1 against a #1 seed with home court.
I was just glad that it was not a blowout like the Hornets/Spurs games...makes it easier to watch.
 
I'm really finding basketball a joke now, I don't believe the NBA has it in for the Lakers to make the Finals, because the Spurs wouldn't even sniff the playoffs. But, the officiating is just horrible, it makes me laugh when I see Tony Parker flop in the lane. I spit milk out my nose when I see Kobe yell when nobody touches him.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']I'm really finding basketball a joke now, I don't believe the NBA has it in for the Lakers to make the Finals, because the Spurs wouldn't even sniff the playoffs. But, the officiating is just horrible, it makes me laugh when I see Tony Parker flop in the lane. I spit milk out my nose when I see Kobe yell when nobody touches him.[/quote]
I'm seeing Basketball more and more like Soccer, lots of acting to draw the fouls and all this arguing to get the refs to go your way.

Once one team starts trying to get the refs on their side, other teams say "fine, two can play at this game", next thing you know, flops and fouls for breathing too hard on someone.

Still, Lakers pulled out a crazy win, I thought they were done. There weren't too many fouls in this game though, not a lot of free throws either.
 
How 'bout them Lakers!!!! Woo! We won! What an ending! Our passing was kind of atrocious there for a bit, but look at how Kobe came in and took control of the game. Few players can do that. Also, what the hell are the Spurs doing? Have they been taking acting classes? They're flopping like fish from little taps. The spurs are supposed to be this manly physical team, pshht....come on girls, stop acting and take your bumps. Still, I saw Kobe try to squeeze in a couple as well, but I think they were more out of frustration out of what the Spurs were doing.
 
Caught part of the game because my mom like this crap... Kobe was driving to the net and he didn't have the defender to lean on so he fell, he didn't want to lose possession so he called timeout.

This is why Basketball is GAY... :roll:
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']How 'bout them Lakers!!!! Woo! We won! What an ending! Our passing was kind of atrocious there for a bit, but look at how Kobe came in and took control of the game. Few players can do that. Also, what the hell are the Spurs doing? Have they been taking acting classes? They're flopping like fish from little taps. The spurs are supposed to be this manly physical team, pshht....come on girls, stop acting and take your bumps. Still, I saw Kobe try to squeeze in a couple as well, but I think they were more out of frustration out of what the Spurs were doing.[/quote]

You do realize you have Sasha Vujacic on your team right?
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']You do realize you have Sasha Vujacic on your team right?[/QUOTE]

Don't blame him. Lakers' fans have this idea in their head that the rest of the league is responsible for the Lakers' success. The fans always feel that their role players are worth more than other starter players and wonder why other teams do not trade their star players for their draft picks/bench players.
 
huh sasha did a great job in gino
and hes extremely important to the bench along with ronny
also hey star players need a bench behind them which is why the lakers insane bench is so important
i hope we resign him and ronny :applause:
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']How 'bout them Lakers!!!! Woo! We won! What an ending! Our passing was kind of atrocious there for a bit, but look at how Kobe came in and took control of the game. Few players can do that. Also, what the hell are the Spurs doing? Have they been taking acting classes? They're flopping like fish from little taps. The spurs are supposed to be this manly physical team, pshht....come on girls, stop acting and take your bumps. Still, I saw Kobe try to squeeze in a couple as well, but I think they were more out of frustration out of what the Spurs were doing.[/quote]

Which Spurs have you been reading about? I thought they've been flop-city for years.
 
[quote name='c0rnpwn']Which Spurs have you been reading about? I thought they've been flop-city for years.[/QUOTE]
They've been floppers for the better part of the decade.
 
McDyess is doing a much better job on Garnett than Wallace ever could, but Garnett still has 6 points in the 1st quarter. Hamilton on Rondo is an improvement on their part, too.
 
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