The Star Trek III (Back from the Dead) Thread

[quote name='BustaUppa']At least it wasn't like Voyager. They made the Borg total jobbers. Janeway getting weapons from the future and kicking the Borg's ass all the time... man that was dumb![/quote]

I always thought that the Borg should have been a focus of TNG only. I understand the introduction of Seven meant there would be some interaction with the Borg, but they were really watered down.
 
All of Voyager should have been like Year of Hell where we see the ship getting more and more destroyed as the series carried on. The ship was often way too calm. There also should have been more tension in Voyager between Starfleet and the Maquis as well. Voyager was a good idea, but I think it was poorly executed. It just gave the writers a chance to make up tons of useless races.
 
[quote name='ananag112']All of Voyager should have been like Year of Hell where we see the ship getting more and more destroyed as the series carried on. The ship was often way too calm. There also should have been more tension in Voyager between Starfleet and the Maquis as well. Voyager was a good idea, but I think it was poorly executed. It just gave the writers a chance to make up tons of useless races.[/quote]

That WAS the original idea, but it kind of got lost between season 2 and 3. Once the doctor got his mobile emmitter, and seven came on board...that show went to hell.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']That WAS the original idea, but it kind of got lost between season 2 and 3. Once the doctor got his mobile emmitter, and seven came on board...that show went to hell.[/QUOTE]

Even the first season wasn't like that though. The Maquis quickly because accustomed to life on Voyager and followed orders. There were a few episodes where there was some conflict, but I thought they were poorly done.
 
[quote name='ananag112']Even the first season wasn't like that though. The Maquis quickly because accustomed to life on Voyager and followed orders. There were a few episodes where there was some conflict, but I thought they were poorly done.[/QUOTE]So true, so true. A main problem with Voyager was that every interesting plot development would be quickly undone by the end of the story arc. You had Year Of Hell (timeline resets itself at the end of the episode), that episode where a bunch of bad stuff happens and then it turns out that it was all in a duplicate Voyager with a duplicate crew (a baby dies and they just replace it with a baby from the duplicate ship), the retarded series finale where Janeway travels through time to keep Tuvok from getting sick, the aforementioned Maquis tension disappearing within a few episodes, Janeway casually getting herself assimilated by the Borg and pulling off her infiltration scheme with little psychological consequence afterwards... the list goes on!

I think the worst of all was an early story arc with Paris. He was basically being an asshole and like getting into fights with Chakotay, and it was genuinely making his character interesting. Then they reveal that it was all part of an act to trick some aliens into thinking that there was dissension in the crew, and Paris was all like "jk lol" and everyone went back to being buddies. That kind of set the tone for much of the lameness that was to come...
 
The problem with Voyager was that none of the characters were endearing. In TNG, you cared about the characters, things that happened to them weren't just white washed by the next episode. They were flawed, damaged, that stuck with them. I hated how they made the doctor the Voyager equivalent of Data. The problem there was that it had been done already, never mind the fact that Data was at least tangible, the doctor could be taken out by destroying a fucking projector.

You could basically match the Voyager characters to their TNG equivalents. Chakotay was just Riker without a beard. Then they tried making him deeper by exploring his native american heritage, which just came off as hokey.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']The problem with Voyager was that none of the characters were endearing. In TNG, you cared about the characters, things that happened to them weren't just white washed by the next episode. They were flawed, damaged, that stuck with them. I hated how they made the doctor the Voyager equivalent of Data. The problem there was that it had been done already, never mind the fact that Data was at least tangible, the doctor could be taken out by destroying a fucking projector.

You could basically match the Voyager characters to their TNG equivalents. Chakotay was just Riker without a beard. Then they tried making him deeper by exploring his native american heritage, which just came off as hokey.[/quote]

:rofl:

First time I have ever read someone say that about mr. tatoo.

The doctor had potiental but it was like once he got into his happy snappy opera mood, I just wanted to scream. Then when he wanted to leave voyager so he can sing for a species of fuck tards..I just wanted to shoot myself. Where the fuck did voyager get the storage space for the doctor to hold all his new programs and personalities??!?!

bah they should have made him real (transportor accident would be the easiest) and then allow some alien of the week kill him.
 
I am finally catching up on DS9. I watched bits and pieces of it here and there and liked it, but I never had the chance to see the whole series. I watched Trials and Tribble-ations yesterday and it was awesome. Probably my second favorite DS9 episode I have seen so far (I like Past Tense the best so far though The House of Quark is up there as well).
 
Majel Roddenberry died today.
She was the wife of Gene Roddenberry, and played Nurse Chapel on TOS, Lwaxana Troy on TNG/DS9, and the voice of the computer on TNG/DS9/Voyager, as well as the upcoming film.
 
That sucks, i didn't know she was doing the voice for the new movie. Actually, why are they even having a computer voice?
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I didn't know she suffered from Leukemia.[/quote]


A lot of people in hollywood or famous don't like to have the public know they have something that bad..they just want their fans to remember how great they were while they were still healthy.
 
[quote name='keithp']:cry: That sucks. I'm going to open a bottle of Romulan ale tonight.[/quote]


But I thought Romulan Ale was illegal in the federation?
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']But I thought Romulan Ale was illegal in the federation?[/QUOTE]

Did I say Romulan Ale? Err, I meant bloodwine ..
 
[quote name='keithp']Did I say Romulan Ale? Err, I meant bloodwine ..[/quote]

It's ok... one of the advantages of being thousands of lightyears from the federation ;)
 
I wonder if there was ever an "official" Comparison of RA to something real? Oh come on, what could be just as bad as RA?
 
Accoring to Memory Alpha, the script for Wrath of Khan stated that Romulan Ale would make you "instantly drunk" upon drinking. The "Romulan Ale" that was sold at the Las Vegas Trek thing was 134-proof "mixture of Bacardi® rum, Everclear® alcohol, and Blue Curaçao liqueur, at equal amounts with no diluting liquid "
 
Wow, i always wondered what that stuff really was that they sold in Vegas. It seems like the Star Trek equivalent of Absinthe.
 
[quote name='lordwow']Accoring to Memory Alpha, the script for Wrath of Khan stated that Romulan Ale would make you "instantly drunk" upon drinking. The "Romulan Ale" that was sold at the Las Vegas Trek thing was 134-proof "mixture of Bacardi® rum, Everclear® alcohol, and Blue Curaçao liqueur, at equal amounts with no diluting liquid "[/quote]


DAMN...insta drunk ale.... no wonder they drank it during the klingon-federation cold war.
 
Some fan made high res images of the USS Kelvin with animations!
:drool:
http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/27/check-out-these-fan-made-high-resolution-uss-kelvin-images/

kelvin_wall06_440.jpg


We are gonna need a new trek thread soon. Approaching 500 posts captain!
 
I've never cared for the short design of some ST ships. They keep the same saucer and just rearrange the nacelles and shorten the overall length.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']I've never cared for the short design of some ST ships. They keep the same saucer and just rearrange the nacelles and shorten the overall length.[/quote]

To design a new ship cost a LOT of money back in the day of model building and not to mention a lot of time.

To save money, they tried reusing parts from older movies and it worked right?
 
[quote name='JolietJake']I've never cared for the short design of some ST ships. They keep the same saucer and just rearrange the nacelles and shorten the overall length.[/quote]

It's never bothered me much. I loved the design of the Defiant. If a pitbull could be a starship, the Defiant would be it.

As a matter of fact, I'm going to go back to that for my sig image.
 
The reason that so many of the ships looked the same is because they literally bought the toy sets for the ships and cut them up to make different ships with them. I think the Technical Manual discusses it.
 
[quote name='lordwow']The reason that so many of the ships looked the same is because they literally bought the toy sets for the ships and cut them up to make different ships with them. I think the Technical Manual discusses it.[/quote]


This... you know I never actually sat down and read either manuals (the ENT-D or DS9), just sections of it. Good reads though. Too bad a Voy or ENT manual never came out :( Hell you know what really needs an update? The Encyclopaedia and the Chronogoly books!! The new movie should spark intrest in revising those books big time!! They had some great color pictures in them.
 
Ya, you'd think they actually sat around and had people make these models, but they only had 2 models of the D until season 4 or 5 (when they zoomed out from the windows a few times), and they never had the budget for new ships. When they did build them, they went to a toy store and bought the Enterprise-D model or Reliant/Enterprise-A models and combined pieces until they build something new. It's pretty hysterical to think about that now, they had they had to go buy their own liscenced toys to make new ships for the show, but this was before they had the CGI capability to make the ships look so good.

That's also why the soyuz class for example looks almost the same as the miranda. And why the miranda and nebula look the same as constitution/galaxy. The in-universe explanation was that these ships were using the components of the bigger ships but cheaper/smaller to make/crew, but that's basically the real reason they made them too... they had to make something look different with the Enterprise-D model kit.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']It's never bothered me much. I loved the design of the Defiant. If a pitbull could be a starship, the Defiant would be it.

As a matter of fact, I'm going to go back to that for my sig image.[/quote]
That's what i mean, the defiant was new, different. Most of the larger ships all look the same. I'll excuse the older ones then, for the sake of budget. These days though, with CGI and everything, there's no excuse. We need some variety in the generic starfleet ships.
 
Well you you recall, the Stargazer was a "new" old ship Yes I know it's the Enterprise A saucer with 4 Naccels , but it was different right? The only other ships we saw where the Excelisor, Reliant, and that Science ship from ST3. Not to mention that Cargo ship used by everyone outside of the 3 major powers. The only real new ships made for TNG where the Romulan Warbird/Scout, Borg cube, Feringi Ship/Shuttle, Federation Shuttle crafts/pods, and a few others.

I remember watching an interview with the effects guys saying the shows budget is a MILLION dollars per episode... damn.
 
The other races i have no problem with, there lots of ship designs for most of them, even ones that have never been sued in the shows/movies. It's just the starfleet ships that lack variety. About the most different thing in recent times was the fact that Voyager's nacelles were able to move.
 
Ya, TNG really didn't add many new ships. The only other ones I can think of are the Ambassador (for the -C) and oddly enough, I think the Battle of Wolf 359 ended up adding more ships than any other episode, but many were only seen that one time (which were the mishmashed Enterprise-Ds) but a lot of them were seen later on in ds9 during the Dominon War.
 
I don't know why almost all starfleet ships have to have saucers. The defiant didn't and it was one of the cooler starfleet ships used. Not all of the other race's ship look so much alike. Except for maybe color scheme.
 
Don't forget that even though it's not as visually interesting, having the ships on any given side share a number of obvious characteristics helps make sense out of space battles and entirely visual segments. Otherwise, it becomes chaos.

This is actually more of an issue with CGI because there can be so many more ships on the screen at any given moment. It is hard to choreograph space battles with lots of ships and have it all be easy to follow and make sense to the viewer.

The Defiant being "different" worked for story reasons -- being able to pick out the Defiant from other ships was important for DS9 and helped draw attention to the ship. DS9 was the first Trek series to attempt massive space battles on a regular basis, and they were really smart about it.

I'm interested to see how the movie handles this, as it's something that is not trivial and has been difficult in the past and yet the preview hints at a lot going on.
 
oh man, I would have loved to have worked on the DS9 space battle scenes, especially from the "Sacrifice of Angels" battle scenes. :drool:


I have a magazine that talked about that episode and it was all done in Lightwave. wow.
 
The only ship design I really have a problem with is the fake Enterprise NX-01. You can guess why. But then that show shouldn't even be considered Star Trek so whatever.
 
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