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[quote name='Scorch']Can you? Explain it to me, because I don't understand. I don't see less people signing up at Virginia Tech after what happened. I don't see people less hyped for the Falcons or football in general after the Vick incident or the OJ one. One person's psychotic rampage shouldn't effect the entire fanbase. Do you see college courses any different? Do you watch football a different way?

I don't think it has anything to do with the Benoit tragedy. If anything, it seems like the attention would attract more viewers. I think it's just because the product sucks right now. Cena, Khali, Lashley, Umaga, Snitsky (the five huge stars that they continue to push but no one gives a shit about), Santino Marella, Cade/Murdoch, Carlito.. it's the same thing every week. The exact. same. thing. Hardy and Kennedy have been breathing new life into the scene, but it may be too little too late.

ECW was/has been good, but now it's also becoming more of the same.. Johnny Nitro (Morrison), CM Punk, Elijah Burke, Dreamer, Kevin Thorn. Mix it up. I wouldn't mind if ECW borrowed Kennedy, Hardy, Cryme Tyme, Paul London, Shelton Benjamin, Super Crazy, and Sandman, just to mix it up.

It's just time to trim the fat off the roster. There's a TON of people that can't draw whatsoever, most being on Smackdown. It's just a crappy time to be a fan right now.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.. the product is absolutely horrible right now. The only people watching are people like me who have watched wrestling their entire life.... And I'm only half watching anymore. It's unbelievable to me that there hasn't been a real FEUD for the RAW title since Cena/Edge. Everyone since then has just kinda been filler. I think this at least partially has to do with the un-branding of PPVs... basically, there are 4-5 weeks in between PPVs, and we get to see the number 1 contender get "established" followed by 2 encounters between the number 1 contender and Cena, followed by Cena winning at the PPV. Rinse. Repeat.

It's not so much that Cena is stale, it's that the booking is stale. There is nothing fresh, I never feel that there is any real disdain between champion and challenger.

ECW is even worse because you can tell that the bookers have five (maybe six) members of the roster that they think are actually worth having anything written for them: John Morrison/CM Punk/Burke/Kevin Thorne/Big Daddy V/Monty Brown. And most of those guys are not ever going to be main event talent. Does anyone see anybody else who can challenge Morrison for the title besides CM Punk? The better question is, is there anyone that thinks Morrison is deserving of the top spot (even in ECW)? His mike skills are horrible. I really feel absolutely no like or dislike for the guy as a performer. In ring, he's technically sound, but he just kinda looks like he's going through the motions.

The only thing I can say about Smackdown is that it airs on Friday night...and I haven't watched it since it moved from Thursdays.
 
Now, thoughts on Cena aside, would it be better if new champs worked their way through some "chump" contenders before moving onto bigger and more believable feuds? Who can Cena feud with that he hasn't already destroyed in this one title reign?

I was thinking about this today, the old idea of pushing a champ as the "fighting" champ - give him monthlong feuds where he takes on Shelton Benjamin, or someone like that. Don't rush him headfirst into Umaga, then Lashley, then Kane, then Khali, then another big guy, and another, another, another.

Does anyone see potential in that, or just lower PPV buyrates? Cena is lousy for a number of reasons, but him plowing through every opponent is boring. Should new champs "work their way up" contenders, so that they don't "blow their wad" the way Cena has?
 
Here is how you save the John Cena character. First ditch the marine and bring back the rapper. Have his promos consist more of serious insults rather than the playground shit he's been bringing to the show lately.

The only storyline that would actually save the John Cena angle is where the top heels in the Raw brand join up to see Cena down. Triple H, Orton, etc. Not necessarily a faction but more of an agreement to see Cena go down. Throw in a surprise heel turn (Bobby Lashley) that costs Cena the belt and you've got something interesting going on. Then have him chase for the belt and have the chase go on for a long, long time and it will actually provide some suspense and entertainment for the viewer.

However the way WWE is so full of themselves, they must think that we're the crazy ones for not watching and they're going to keep doing what they're doing.
 
I can't figure out the "Six Million Dollar Man" element of Triple H's return video. It comes across as hokey as all fuck, but I know that he's not the type to do hokey.

EDIT: I'm not exaggerating when I say that, if WWE scriptwriters spend more than 25 minutes a week writing ECW (from conception to printed script), they deserve to be fired.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I can't figure out the "Six Million Dollar Man" element of Triple H's return video. It comes across as hokey as all fuck, but I know that he's not the type to do hokey[/QUOTE]
Listen to his mic promos... Yuck.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I can't figure out the "Six Million Dollar Man" element of Triple H's return video. It comes across as hokey as all fuck, but I know that he's not the type to do hokey.

EDIT: I'm not exaggerating when I say that, if WWE scriptwriters spend more than 25 minutes a week writing ECW (from conception to printed script), they deserve to be fired.[/quote]

I'm thinking it would have been more appropriate for Steve Austin.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']Here is how you save the John Cena character. First ditch the marine and bring back the rapper. Have his promos consist more of serious insults rather than the playground shit he's been bringing to the show lately.

The only storyline that would actually save the John Cena angle is where the top heels in the Raw brand join up to see Cena down. Triple H, Orton, etc. Not necessarily a faction but more of an agreement to see Cena go down. Throw in a surprise heel turn (Bobby Lashley) that costs Cena the belt and you've got something interesting going on. Then have him chase for the belt and have the chase go on for a long, long time and it will actually provide some suspense and entertainment for the viewer.

However the way WWE is so full of themselves, they must think that we're the crazy ones for not watching and they're going to keep doing what they're doing.[/QUOTE]

I could see that, though the fatal flaw is assuming Triple H would take a backseat to an angle centered on Cena.

That Miz segment seems to be WWE's way of convincing me that Snitksy is a great character, because I was hoping for him to run down and assault Miz. Or a Pontiac could run down and hit Miz. That might be preferable.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']HOL-EE SHIT Stevie Richards actually won a match![/quote]

Welp, its official, Kevin Thorne's career is dead.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']When wasn't it official?[/quote]

Probably right before his first match when Vince was waxing his carrot to the Mordecai promos.

Stevie winning tonight was awesome. I know it's Steven Richards, but shit they're pushing Viscera and the Miz, why not let Stevie pick up a few wins here and there too? I'd say that was his first win since the RTC gimmick ended.
 
It really makes me wonder how guys like Stevie and Val dropped so low in the roster, as they're both pretty good in the ring and on the mic. There are a lot of guys that are much higher up than they are, with much less skill in both areas.
 
[quote name='Scorch']I think it's just because the product sucks right now. [/quote]

Truer words have never been spoken. I'm watching more TNA in a week now than I am Raw. Raw, for the most part, has become a little too bland and predictable. It's cyclical, for sure, something will happen to pique my interest in WWE again. Until then, though, I've bought a metric crap-ton of DVDs and need to watch them.

I was lucky enough to surf past and catch most of the Hardy/Kennedy match, though. More of that will bring be back around, and quickly. Side question, though. Remember when Jeff wasn't so beloved? Blown spots like last night's were the norm, till he quit/got fired/whatever. I'm glad people pop for him now, though.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']It really makes me wonder how guys like Stevie and Val dropped so low in the roster, as they're both pretty good in the ring and on the mic. There are a lot of guys that are much higher up than they are, with much less skill in both areas.[/quote]

Man wrestlers that were better than current guys on the roster (ie anyone who has ever wrestled in the WWE, now that the Miz is here) don't have WWE jobs even anymore. Lucky for Stevie Richards, Pat Patterson must have *liked him*, so he still has work.
 
Richards is a guy that never really had something to " fit" him in WWE. Both of his runs were highly succesfful. RTS was a good legit heel group IMO. Goodfather wasn't exactly good, but still..... I also thought his runs with Victoria were good. Both weren't succesfful for a very long time though. I guess they still haven't found a place for him.
 
Ah, dammit. Judging from the Smackdown spoilers, we'll probably have
Batista vs. Khali for the world title at Summerslam.

Is WWE even trying with Smackdown anymore? Seems like half their entire roster is injured right now. Maybe Marc Mero is right, maybe WWE does need a off season(now would sure as hell be a good time). Speaking of injuries, wasn't Mysterio supposed to return at the GAB? What the hell happened with that?
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']Maybe Marc Mero is right, maybe WWE does need a off season(now would sure as hell be a good time). [/quote]

I've been saying that for years. Every other form of entertainment (TV shows), or sports has a hiatus or off-season.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The last time you saw a WWE match that reminded you that you love pro wrestling?[/QUOTE]Now that I think about it... for me that would be when they had HBK wrestle Cena for an hour on Raw. It seemed like that was a "love it or hate it" kind of thing due to the length of the match, but I thought it was an absolute gift. Loved every second of it.

I suppose it's encouraging that such a fond memory was so recent, however I do agree that the product overall is in some serious need of freshening up. I've watched WWE religiously all my life, and only in the last couple of years have I been able to miss a show and not bother trying to catch up with it later on. I ignore ECW almost entirely, although I give it a shot now and then. But it's truly depressing to look at One Night Stand 2 and then "WWE One Night Stand" from earlier this year... ahh, what a difference a year makes (although it really took much less than a year to fuck that all up).[quote name='Punk_Raven']Yeah. He didn't know what was going on. I wonder if wrestlers who haven't worked together ever get a chance to reherse in the ring....

I would've been perplexed, also.

Not that kennedy didn't know hardy's moveset, just saying that maybe if there was some time to reherse there would be less botches? Suposedly kennedy just got up after the leg from in between the legs thing.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure how it is in WWE, but in Indy feds it's common to meet your opponent and have, like, five minutes to verbally go over stuff before going out there and doing the match. And many wrestlers go out there with even less. In many cases, the finish of a match is the only real concrete thing... the experts can just go in there and improvise the rest.

I suppose in a very broad sense, you could look at house shows as a "rehearsal"...


Oh and someone brought up a hypothetical HHH vs. Hogan match a few pages back. They actually had that match at least twice on TV. Hogan won the title from HHH at the first PPV after Wrestlemania x8. A couple months later they had a match on Smackdown, which HHH won with the pedigree (Hogan actually did a running diamond cutter in that match; it stuck out in my head because it was so strange!).
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Sweet, reports are saying Edge's injury is worse than initially expected. I hope he never comes back.[/QUOTE]

Now now.... I know Edge is in general a douchebag, because he took the trust and friendship of one his oldest and best friends and stabbed him in the back, but it takes two to tango and Lita tends to get off light when it comes to that. Not to mention the people involved have gotten over it to an extent. If they can move on, why can't we as fans? That being said Edge is a good worker, a great heel, good on the mic, and actually one of the best things about Smackdown (when he was on). Just because he is a douche doesn't mean his career should be ended. I hope he comes back sooner rather than later, if for no other reason there is no one to replace him on his show.
 
I hope his career is over. You only think he's a good heel, because everyone else is so crappy at this point. Think of it like an average girl looking more attractive because she hangs out with a bunch of fat girls. Same concept. The longer it takes for Edge to come back the better.
 
[quote name='Punk_Raven']Richards is a guy that never really had something to " fit" him in WWE. Both of his runs were highly succesfful. RTS was a good legit heel group IMO. Goodfather wasn't exactly good, but still..... I also thought his runs with Victoria were good. Both weren't succesfful for a very long time though. I guess they still haven't found a place for him.[/quote]

big stevie cool > all

stevie needs a new theme
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Sweet, reports are saying Edge's injury is worse than initially expected. I hope he never comes back.[/quote]Same to you. I don't get what your deal is with hoping injury and death on people, with a hatred for people who you don't even know, but it's childish and immature at best. Grow up.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Sweet, reports are saying Edge's injury is worse than initially expected. I hope he never comes back.[/quote]

You do realize that this is all a work, right? You don't have to hate someone in real life becuase you don't know them personally at all.

And what does Edge being a good or bad heel have to do with anything you just said? " I hope his career is over " come on now. This is why I hate some smart fans.. They act all high and mighty but in reality they are just stupid and illogical as some of the people who are casual fans of WWE ( not smart fans ) that they like to critocize so much for liking people they don't. They (smart fans ) can take things too far sometimes ....like me when I was a little kid and I wanted Rikishi to die becuase he ran over Stone Cold.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']Same to you. I don't get what your deal is with hoping injury and death on people, with a hatred for people who you don't even know, but it's childish and immature at best. Grow up.[/quote]

Wow... that I did not expect out of you. That's easily the dumbest post you've ever made. The reality is I don't know Edge; however, I've met him a few times. The first of which I talked to him for awhile and he promised me some comp tickets, which I thought was cool as hell. No he didn't have to, but he agreed to do so. Anyway, drive down to the event that night, no tix... interesting. On a separate occasion I chanced to meet Matt Hardy, who offered tickets, those were there. Shock me, shock me, Sinead O'Rebellion.

I don't know who pissed in your post toasties today, and I have no idea who you're suggesting I'm wishing death upon, but the only one who NEEDS to grow up here is you. Your post was irrational, uninformed and inaccurate, o' righteous one.

[quote name='Punk_Raven']You do realize that this is all a work, right? You don't have to hate someone in real life becuase you don't know them personally at all.

And what does Edge being a good or bad heel have to do with anything you just said? " I hope his career is over " come on now. This is why I hate some smart fans.. They act all high and mighty but in reality they are just stupid and illogical as some of the people who are casual fans of WWE ( not smart fans ) that they like to critocize so much for liking people they don't. They (smart fans ) can take things too far sometimes ....like me when I was a little kid and I wanted Rikishi to die becuase he ran over Stone Cold.[/quote]

Again, you stand corrected. Speaking of stupid, why not go back and re-read some of your old posts... the lack of ability to string logical thoughts together is an actual mark of stupidity. Wishing ill upon someone is not a mark of one's intellect. I like the last part about Stone Cold too, that puts you at what 16?

Furthermore, I love how you two are so quick to defend Edge, yet if I was saying this about say, Bob Holly, you'd both either agree or say nothing in his defense. Apparently, you both have nothing better to discuss today though :roll:
 
Other than calling two people dumb and stupid for questioning your statements regarding permanent injury another human being, do you have any idea how much of a ignornant douchebag you're coming across as?

Seriously man. You're like the most insecure poster on CAG. It's just sad. Actually. I take that back. It's pathetic. Chill the fuck out and stop wishing pain and suffering onto people. It's not cool.

Regarding Holly, I don't like him as a worker and I think he is a bully. But do I actually wish him to get hurt? No. Would I like him to get fired? Yes. Major difference.

::waits for the obligatory insult retort::
 
just so you don't change what you said any further:

[quote name='Zen Davis']Other than calling two people dumb and stupid for questioning your statements regarding permanent injury another human being, do you have any idea how much of a ignornant douchebag you're coming across as?

Seriously man. You're like the most insecure poster on CAG. It's just sad. Actually. I take that back. It's pathetic. Chill the fuck out and stop wishing pain and suffering onto people. It's not cool.

Regarding Holly, I don't like him as a worker and I think he is a bully. But do I actually wish him to get hurt? No. Would I like him to get fired? Yes. Major difference.

::waits for the obligatory insult retort::[/quote]

I provide a reason why I don't like Edge, I've met him before, I've made my judgments... I've made mine of you as well. I had you blocked/temp-banned when you were AhmedMalik, maybe it's time YOU relaxed, stopped the personal attacks on me, less you want the same result...

Why you find yourself to be the personal internet defendant of Edge and Bret Hart is beyond me. I'm sure I can expect another thoughtful and profanity laced tirade from you in my pm box, although I sincerely hope you've grown up a bit since your last episode.


[quote name='Brak']I don't like how Edge thinks he's Chris Jericho.[/quote]

Not on his best day... Christian on the other hand is much closer. Still not the same level of charisma.
 
Huh? What's that? I think I hear an insecure baby crying? Meeting someone is no reason to wish permanent injury on someone. It's scary that you even think that way. Whatever. I think I'll just watch some ROH IN JAPAN.

EDIT: You guys need to watch the banzai drop on the apron at 8:09. Freakin' insane!

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_dNDt-Vcps[/MEDIA]
 
[quote name='SIUfan']Geez... Chill out everyone.[/QUOTE]

You're right. I'm sorry everyone.

To show my apologies, I'm going to post up my cell phone video from the ROH PPV. Will you forgive me?
 
[quote name='SIUfan']Geez... Chill out everyone.[/quote]

I didn't know wishing ill upon Edge (on a video game message board mind you) would cause this... had I, I would've kept those thoughts to myself and friends in person that I talk to about wrestling. I've read every wrestling topic (obviously) and seen plenty of things of a similar nature (and worse), generally about people like Bubba Dudley, Test and Bob Holly and never seen such a backlash as a result. Maybe it's the weather?

Either way I can agree that wishing permanent injury to Edge is an obvious extreme and was childish of me, but give me a break here, how does my feelings about a wrestler warrant such personal attacks upon your once-beloved Horse. Keep in mind Edge will never read these posts, I will.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']I didn't know wishing ill upon Edge (on a video game message board mind you) would cause this... had I, I would've kept those thoughts to myself and friends in person that I talk to about wrestling. I've read every wrestling topic (obviously) and seen plenty of things of a similar nature (and worse), generally about people like Bubba Dudley, Test and Bob Holly and never seen such a backlash as a result. Maybe it's the weather?

Either way I can agree that wishing permanent injury to Edge is an obvious extreme and was childish of me, but give me a break here, how does my feelings about a wrestler warrant such personal attacks upon your once-beloved Horse. Keep in mind Edge will never read these posts, I will.[/quote]

I have seen the same things, I just think we need to get back on track.
 
[quote name='SIUfan']I have seen the same things, I just think we need to get back on track.[/quote]

More Austin getting ran over would be funny. I remember going to the first Raw back in Detroit after Austin got hit. I also remember how lame I thought it was that Rikishi was the guy they gave that spot to. I wasn't the least bit shocked when that push never panned out.

The guy's character was too dependant on making the crowd laugh to be a successful heel, plus his popularity had already begun to decline. Although, I am somewhat surprised (given some of the other absurd wrestlers who have been brought back temporarily) that he has yet to resurface in the WWE.
 
[quote name='Halo05']I did it, for da Rock.[/quote]

As good a reason as any! Shoulda been Triple H from the get-go.

Another wrestler I kind of always expected to come back at least on a temp-basis. Obviously there's next to no incentive for him to do that now.
 
What the...

Hulk Hogan and Chef Tony are both on QVC right now shilling this:

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http://www.1seenontvstore.com/hulk-hogan-grill.html
 
[quote name='evilmax17']What the...

Hulk Hogan and Chef Tony are both on QVC right now shilling this:

hulkster.jpg


http://www.1seenontvstore.com/hulk-hogan-grill.html[/quote]

There was an episode of Hogan Knows Best, where Hogan confesses he had the opportunity to be the spokesman for the George Foreman Grille. Instead of George's name on the grille, it would've been Hogan's, but he didn't reach his agent fast enough and Foreman's name went on instead. Ouch.
 
Actually, I'm 15, but you don't ever hear me talking about how great " old school" 80s wrestling was ( not old enough to have seen any of it ) so I don't see my age as much of a problem. Didn't protect edge because he's Edge, I really don't care much about him, to be honest. It wasn't anything specifically directed at you, I just used your statement to generalize you and attack the fans in general who have said things like that. Plus, I really just started posting here a while ago even though I've had an account for 2 years. Sorry if my " old " posts were so irrational and stupid that they should determine how people view me now, even though I was a lurker then and frequent the boards now.

I digress. Yeah, that was a pretty stupid angle. I think I was more confused back then mad, I really didn't take Rikishi seriously and you'd usually expect more of a main even player to do that, Rikishi never really got up there for me. It's like the Armogeddon Hell in a Cell. So many big names there and then there's...Rikishi. Fat guy who wears a thong and puts his ass in people's faces and later on dances in the ring. Yeah, it got over, and yeah, I actually liked the guy. But I could never see him with a heavyeight title on his sholder.
 
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