Ubisoft threatens to sue Something Awful over Jade Raymond webcomic

Ubisoft has no real case against SA anyway due to the fact that they didn't create the piece. They just linked to it.

The real creator of the artwork was Dave Cheung, who is the creator of the online comic Chugworth.

If you go to his DeviantArt site, you can see the artwork in question there.

Ubi is just scapegoating and they don't have any case on SA.
 
[quote name='Tsukento']Except that would be a really stupid and boring comic that wouldn't really get any buzz at all. No offense.[/quote]

None taken, you made my point. The actual circumstances don't lend themselves to hilarity. That is until you distort them, and add some jizz. Then it becomes really funny and gets "buzz." That's a moronic justification.

The whole point was to point out that Ubisoft using Jade to lure in MALE gamers with her female charms and her gender. From all the talk before the comic came about, it seems like Jade didn't even really have shit to do with AC aside from promoting it using herself. To do so, she was basically whoring herself out in a sense.
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What you and everyone else seem to fail to understand was that it was Ubisoft and their marketing team's decision to promote her in this manner, and it helped that she got coverage from all of these other outlets, and a lot of that was probably a result of the way she looks. It's no different than Will Wright going on a crazy Spore-pimping spree (which he does all the time), you just don't pay any attention because he's Will Wright.

JR didn't do anything overly suggestive in her interviews - show up in revealing clothing, make suggestive comments, etc. She just smiled and talked for the camera. If you were in her position, in the gaming industry (a relatively small one) with a job like she had and asked to promote your game... what would you do?

Why'd it generate so much noise? Because it was completely different from just about all other web comics that would simply try a predictable "LOL I INSULT U BY BASHIN UR OPININS WITH WIMSICLE COMIC ACTS!". It was something a whole lot of people never would have seen coming. Not to mention, it's also because Ubisoft actually responded to it.
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For some reason you've got some kind of perception that unpredictability and shock value somehow translate to legitimacy... it doesn't work like that. I guess you were defending Sony's goat-slaying God of War II ads because "no one ever saw those coming, man!"
 
[quote name='getmyrunon']

What you and everyone else seem to fail to understand was that it was Ubisoft and their marketing team's decision to promote her in this manner, and it helped that she got coverage from all of these other outlets, and a lot of that was probably a result of the way she looks. It's no different than Will Wright going on a crazy Spore-pimping spree (which he does all the time), you just don't pay any attention because he's Will Wright.

JR didn't do anything overly suggestive in her interviews - show up in revealing clothing, make suggestive comments, etc. She just smiled and talked for the camera. If you were in her position, in the gaming industry (a relatively small one) with a job like she had and asked to promote your game... what would you do?[/quote]

Exactly. I don't know how anyone intelligent can even argue against that.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Exactly. I don't know how anyone intelligent can even argue against that.[/quote]

Promote the game, but don't let yourself get whored out for your looks?
 
[quote name='B:L']Promote the game, but don't let yourself get whored out for your looks?[/QUOTE]

That keeps getting thrown around and taken as fact, please point out where she was "whored out", beyond just promoting the game. By your reasoning, anyone who promotes something and is good looking is automatically "whored out"?
 
[quote name='msdmoney']That keeps getting thrown around and taken as fact, please point out where she was "whored out", beyond just promoting the game. By your reasoning, anyone who promotes something and is good looking is automatically "whored out"?[/QUOTE]
Allow me to give my answer:

No, promoting a game in the capacity that a game producer normally does is not automatically whoring yourself out.

Being part of a media bombardment where your image is insanely over-exposed, and your sex appeal is non-too-subtlely used to try and draw attention to the game you're working on, yeah. That's whoring yourself out (THOUGH NOT LITERALLY AS IN, fuckING FOR MONEY, SO DON'T TRY AND ARGUE OVER THE LITERAL DEFINITION OF THE GODDAMNED WORD, OKAY).
 
Citation, please. That's really all we want. Instead of alluding to this media barrage, as you and others have done, please provide at least some evidence of this.
 
[quote name='getmyrunon']I guess you were defending Sony's goat-slaying God of War II ads because "no one ever saw those coming, man!"[/quote]
No, as that involved the actual slaying of goats. Huge difference between something occuring in real life and something happening in a drawing.

That's why I said this whole thing with Jade COULD have been worse. Ubisoft's involvement made it seem like as if Jade had actual nude photos or sex photos being spread around the internet, when in reality it was just a drawing.
 
[quote name='Tsukento']No, as that involved the actual slaying of goats.[/QUOTE]
lol no it didn't. They were already dead; they were borrowed from a local butcher shop. Sony didn't order them killed or anything.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']lol no it didn't. They were already dead; they were borrowed from a local butcher shop. Sony didn't order them killed or anything.[/QUOTE]


I CALL MURDER ON THAT

[quote name='Rei']This thread is going in circles. I say we all just sit down and have some cake with our companion cubes. [/quote]


Please assume the party escort position.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Citation, please. That's really all we want. Instead of alluding to this media barrage, as you and others have done, please provide at least some evidence of this.[/QUOTE]

He can't - it's just confirmation bias. I will stake a large sum of money on the fact that Cliffy B was splattered on the same number if not more screens and made just as many if not appearances in the weeks leading up to the Gears launch than Raymond has been in her entire career at Ubi. The guy had an MTV SPECIAL dedicated to his personal life. And yet, here people are, giving JR shit for doing the same type of press junket. Why? Because Cliffy doesn't give you an erection (well, most of you anyway).

Did Ubisoft put her out there to promote their game, and were her looks and gender factors in their decision? Most likely, yes. Does showing up at these promotional venues automatically make her a whore? No. Did she do anything to earn the title of whore during these promotions? No. That's it. Case closed.
 
[quote name='getmyrunon']He can't - it's just confirmation bias. I will stake a large sum of money on the fact that Cliffy B was splattered on the same number if not more screens and made just as many if not appearances in the weeks leading up to the Gears launch than Raymond has been in her entire career at Ubi. The guy had an MTV SPECIAL dedicated to his personal life. And yet, here people are, giving JR shit for doing the same type of press junket. Why? Because Cliffy doesn't give you an erection (well, most of you anyway).

Did Ubisoft put her out there to promote their game, and were her looks and gender factors in their decision? Most likely, yes. Does showing up at these promotional venues automatically make her a whore? No. Did she do anything to earn the title of whore during these promotions? No. That's it. Case closed.[/quote]

That is a good point about Cliffy B, he was much worse. Maybe people drew comics about him, but he had the sense not to point them out to everyone.

But who the hell thinks Jade Raymond is a whore, I certainly don't. You're taking a comic completely literally. It was trying to make a point in a humourous if not very crude way. You can argue it failed on the humour if not the crudeness, but it certainly should not be taken literally.

If you look at that comic and think they're genuinely calling Jade a whore, then I'd suggest the problem lies with you, not the comic.
 
[quote name='getmyrunon']He can't - it's just confirmation bias. I will stake a large sum of money on the fact that Cliffy B was splattered on the same number if not more screens and made just as many if not appearances in the weeks leading up to the Gears launch than Raymond has been in her entire career at Ubi. The guy had an MTV SPECIAL dedicated to his personal life. And yet, here people are, giving JR shit for doing the same type of press junket. Why? Because Cliffy doesn't give you an erection (well, most of you anyway).

Did Ubisoft put her out there to promote their game, and were her looks and gender factors in their decision? Most likely, yes. Does showing up at these promotional venues automatically make her a whore? No. Did she do anything to earn the title of whore during these promotions? No. That's it. Case closed.[/QUOTE]


confirmation bias indeed :roll: love the social science terms being used for ammunition in this thread.

anyway, there was plenty of bitching about CliffyB leading up to the release of Gears. He was whored out as well and people got sick of seeing his face around. Nobody bitched about Jade before (since she's better eye candy than Cliffy...to most of us), no one was calling her a whore or anything like that. But she was whored out as well, just like Cliffy--an attractive face to woo the press and public, what a novel idea.

Were there comics about Cliffy? probably. but Epic didn't sue anyone over them, so we'll never know.

Yes, there were plenty of scary Jade infatuation posts, probably more of those than Cliffy hate posts (naturally) but that's kind of irrelevant and this thread is just a battle for the moral high ground. Neither side gets through to the other at all, so it's a complete waste of time. cheers.
 
[quote name='Apossum']confirmation bias indeed :roll: love the social science terms being used for ammunition in this thread.

Yes, there were plenty of scary Jade infatuation posts, probably more of those than Cliffy hate posts (naturally) but that's kind of irrelevant and this thread is just a battle for the moral high ground. Neither side gets through to the other at all, so it's a complete waste of time. cheers.[/QUOTE]

For me, this thread is about one thing and one thing only - people DEFENDING the production of the comic on grounds that it was somehow a legitimate interpretation of JR's actions in the promotion of this game.

There is absolutely no reason to make a correlation between Jade Raymond giving people blowjobs and Jade Raymond promoting a video game she worked on. NONE AT ALL. So the question is how does this happen? How does a comic like this get made, and more importantly how do people justify it? In my opinion, the answer is part of a broader social statement that I can't even begin to explain, but I can at least try to identify it and explore it. I've got my reasons as to maybe why, and others have theirs. I like hearing them and thinking about it.

This isn't about moral high ground, it's about letting people know that there exists the POSSIBILITY that we all have some fairly deep rooted biases that we should at least consider acknowledging. Sorry that this thread doesn't meet your standards of time worthiness, although I imagine if I poked through a couple of the threads we've both posted in recently they wouldn't qualify either :)

Oh and edit: what would you have said instead of confirmation bias (not trying to be a wiseass, serious question.. if there are more applicable theories I'd like to read about them. You can PM me if you don't want to post any more).
 
[quote name='getmyrunon']For me, this thread is about one thing and one thing only - people DEFENDING the production of the comic on grounds that it was somehow a legitimate interpretation of JR's actions in the promotion of this game.[/QUOTE]
That's bullshit. A lot of people are defending this comic's right to exist, and the right of the cartoonist to create it. Ya know, freedom of speech and all.

I have explained how this could be seen as an interpretation of Raymond's actions, but I don't necessarily think that it is. I think she's more annoying, than whorish.

And jokes don't have to be legitimate to be made, ya know.
 
...still waiting on citations exhibiting how she was whored out. Are y'all just gonna keep bluffing, or are you going to tire me out until I merely ask for one source, so you can throw up the first link google provides you with?

;)
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']That's bullshit. A lot of people are defending this comic's right to exist, and the right of the cartoonist to create it. Ya know, freedom of speech and all.

I have explained how this could be seen as an interpretation of Raymond's actions, but I don't necessarily think that it is. I think she's more annoying, than whorish.

And jokes don't have to be legitimate to be made, ya know.[/QUOTE]

Read closely - I said FOR ME this thread is about... that is the part that I am contesting. I respect that others make the argument that there is a legal right to have created this document (and I've indicated I think the lawsuit frivolous in nature several times now).

Don't think that jokes have to be legitimate to be made, either. But to be defended and accepted? Yes, I do believe we should have some kind of standard as a society. And I don't think that standard should be - she has breasts, let's draw her sucking dick, it'll be hilarious.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Ahhh, ya see, that's my master plan!

I'm trying to get every single person on CAG to add me to their ignore list, and then, once everyone has done that and not a single soul can see my posts, I'm going to go into the Video Game Deals forum and post the best deal of all time, and truly have the last laugh.[/quote]

HAHAHA CAG post of the year!!!
 
[quote name='mykevermin']...still waiting on citations exhibiting how she was whored out. Are y'all just gonna keep bluffing, or are you going to tire me out until I merely ask for one source, so you can throw up the first link google provides you with?

;)[/QUOTE]
Okay, exhibit one: Here's a screencap of GameTrailers.com's media page for Assassin's Creed (extremely tall, be sure to scroll all the way through). I've highlighted areas dominated by Raymond's stupid face, and vids that feature her prominently. Also, every single page on GameTrailers.com currently has that "ZOMG GAME HEAD INTERVIEW WITH JADE RAYMOND, BE SURE TO WATCH BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']I'm sick of the term "whored out," because you refuse to not take it literally.[/QUOTE]

Aww, porbrecito. :cry: Evidently, I'm not allowed to use it seriously, but someone with a dreadful and not very clever sense of humor with a pen can use it figuratively?

As long as we're on point, you know. ;)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Aww, porbrecito. :cry: Evidently, I'm not allowed to use it seriously, but someone with a dreadful and not very clever sense of humor with a pen can use it figuratively?

As long as we're on point, you know. ;)[/QUOTE]
Okay, so how about replying to the rest of my post?

And why should you be using it "seriously," when the comic isn't? That's the very definition of taking something out of context.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Okay, so how about replying to the rest of my post?

And why should you be using it "seriously," when the comic isn't? That's the very definition of taking something out of context.[/QUOTE]

You highlighted several (4-6) videos that do not show photos of JR or mention her name in them, overstating your case. Fewer than 1/3 of those videos show her or mention her at all in the description.

While I can't recall other producers getting their own headshot in a banner ad, that's one thing you have going for your argument.

Nevertheless, it's clear that you rustled this shit up after the fact to support your claims. You have one website's use of her, which is debatable in the degree of exposure/overexposure. That's anecdotal evidence, darling.

Here's the thing about anecdotal evidence: it's useless by itself. I'm sure I can dig up 10 or 12 posts where you're respectful, polite, or dare I say helpful. We can all agree that, however, it would be incorrect to describe you as such.

In short: what's to reply to? You've found a website that has videos of her: strangely enough, from a website that is all videos! You can do better than that.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']And why should you be using it "seriously," when the comic isn't? That's the very definition of taking something out of context.[/QUOTE]

Nope. Would you defend George Allen's "macaca," Phil Jackson's "brokeback mountain," Mel Gibson's "sugartits" and Anti-semitic remarks, or Don Imus' "nappy headed hos" in the same vein?

The impact this comic may have on further normalizing gender biases, tiny as it may be, is still certainly there (particularly via the omission, again, of similar comics displaying Cliffy B blowing his way through a GameStop). Just as racist remarks show an indicator that people are willing to tolerate such displays of hatred when they aren't condemned, this is quite the same.

Classical "definition of the situation," in other words.

[quote name='Squall835']Don't bother trying to reason with myke, CoffeeEdge. You're just feeding his already massive ego/superiority complex.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for playing. You say that as if it's an insult. You'll have to forgive me if I smirk about that, as I'm quite comfortable in my massive ego. Now, if you're going to contribute, please do so substantively, as I don't have time for autographs, kid.

EDIT: See y'all in the morning. I'm going to the bar, just like Garrison Keillor predicted.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']You highlighted several (4-6) videos that do not show photos of JR or mention her name in them, overstating your case. Fewer than 1/3 of those videos show her or mention her at all in the description.[/quote]
Except she's in them. If you weren't stupid, you'd have noticed how they're parts of a video walkthrough helmed by her.

[quote name='mykevermin']Nevertheless, it's clear that you rustled this shit up after the fact to support your claims. You have one website's use of her, which is debatable in the degree of exposure/overexposure. That's anecdotal evidence, darling.[/quote]
No, actually. GameTrailers has always been, IMO, one of the driving forces behind the Jade Raymond Over-exposure Machine.

[quote name='mykevermin']In short: what's to reply to? You've found a website that has videos of her: strangely enough, from a website that is all videos! You can do better than that.[/QUOTE]
I didn't "find" anything. I've been observing this phenomenon on Gametrailers for over a year.

The point I was making, is that she's getting far more face time than any other first-time producer with no significant background or claim to fame, save for a little TV hosting that no one even remembers. So, if she's not getting all that attention for her credentials, then hmmmm, I wonder what she is getting it for? Oh, yeah: Her looks.

She's getting far more attention than any other first-time game producer in history, for anything other than her credentials, and you've managed to word yourself around this fact everytime I've brought it up, even though it's the cornerstone of this entire debate.
 
Okay, and now you're trying to pass off having a dangerously bloated ego and massive superiority complex as a positive thing?!?

You're a pitiful joke, myke, and you don't even have a decent punchline.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']She's getting far more attention than any other first-time game producer in history, for anything other than her credentials, and you've managed to word yourself around this fact everytime I've brought it up, even though it's the cornerstone of this entire debate.[/QUOTE]

I think we're all fighting about different things.

What my problem is is how a woman promoting a video game in a way that has absolutely nothing to do with performing sex acts lead to a comic that depicts exactly that. And how some people are saying "well yeah, duh" like it was some kind of foregone conclusion.

I also find it kind of ridiculous that people are blaming Jade Raymond for receiving as much attention as she does. She's not like Paris Hilton who does/says dumb things to get the attention of the media. She talks about/promotes Assassin's Creed, and she looks good doing it. Doesn't go out of her way, doesn't run around doing look at me look at me types of things (compare to someone like Will Wright, Jaffe, and Cliffy and you can see there's nothing out of the ordinary).

If you've got a problem with how much she's being promoted, take it up with horny gamers who can't discriminate between their brains and their cock and are clearly requesting it. But don't blame it on her because she's not asking for it in the least.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']She's getting far more attention than any other first-time game producer in history, for anything other than her credentials, and you've managed to word yourself around this fact everytime I've brought it up, even though it's the cornerstone of this entire debate.[/quote]


?


According to her bio she was a producer before Assassin's Creed. No offense, but it sounds like you have a lot of schadenfreude about her situation.
 
[quote name='getmyrunon']I also find it kind of ridiculous that people are blaming Jade Raymond for receiving as much attention as she does. She's not like Paris Hilton who does/says dumb things to get the attention of the media. She talks about/promotes Assassin's Creed, and she looks good doing it. Doesn't go out of her way, doesn't run around doing look at me look at me types of things (compare to someone like Will Wright, Jaffe, and Cliffy and you can see there's nothing out of the ordinary).[/quote]

That's exactly right.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']?


According to her bio she was a producer before Assassin's Creed. No offense, but it sounds like you have a lot of schadenfreude about her situation.[/QUOTE]
My bad. She produced one game before that: The Sims Online. AKA the biggest failure in the Sim franchise since Streets of SimCity. Oh, and a web game of Jeopardy.

So, that doesn't improve things. She's not a totally unproven producer; she's got one massive failure, and some webgames to her credit. And that's why we all needed to see dozens of videos of her talking up Assassin's Creed, because her illustrious career really entitles her to and justifies that.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']My bad. She produced one game before that: The Sims Online. AKA the biggest failure in the Sim franchise since Streets of SimCity. Oh, and a web game of Jeopardy.

So, that doesn't improve things. She's not a totally unproven producer; she's got one massive failure, and some webgames to her credit. And that's why we all needed to see dozens of videos of her talking up Assassin's Creed, because her illustrious career really entitles her to and justifies that.[/quote]

I am pretty sure most producers/designers didn't start out with runaway Halo-esque success. Some get lucky, most have to get more chances.

She worked on the game. She's entitled to promote it as much as she wants or is told to.

Either way, your point is moot since Assassin's Creed has been getting good reviews. If it had been a total bomb you might have a leg to stand on, but she has substance to go with style.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassin%27s_creed

You efforts would be better directed here...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12748192/
 
[quote name='getmyrunon']If you've got a problem with how much she's being promoted, take it up with horny gamers who can't discriminate between their brains and their cock and are clearly requesting it. But don't blame it on her because she's not asking for it in the least.[/quote]

Hey man, if she didn't want it she wouldn't dress that way.
 
[quote name='SpazX']Hey man, if she didn't want it she wouldn't dress that way.[/quote]

Dress what way? Did she have some wardrobe malfunction I'm not aware of? Did she go to the Britney Spears school of pantiless travel? Did she wear a see-through shirt? She must have done something?
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Dress what way? Did she have some wardrobe malfunction I'm not aware of? Did she go to the Britney Spears school of pantiless travel? Did she wear a see-through shirt? She must have done something?[/QUOTE]
I am seriously in awe of how completely you allowed that to fly over your head.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']I am seriously in awe of how completely you allowed that to fly over your head.[/quote]

I would say the same to you.
 
I'm surprised this thread is still going on. I'm also surprised some of you guys are seemingly defending the comic.

I really find that strange.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']No, actually. GameTrailers has always been, IMO, one of the driving forces behind the Jade Raymond Over-exposure Machine.[/QUOTE]

That's all well and good; however, the comic would seem to suggest the sole and complete origin is Raymond herself, yes? This statement of yours should be sending up red flags.
 
[quote name='Magus8472']That's all well and good; however, the comic would seem to suggest the sole and complete origin is Raymond herself, yes? This statement of yours should be sending up red flags.[/QUOTE]
Jesus fucking Christ, people! This comic is a dozen panels long, with barely enough dialogue to cover a postage stamp. It's not going to include the entire fucking backstory of the joke and every minute detail about Raymond and how she was used to promote Assassin's Creed, and every instance of this and every party involved.

If anyone is so utterly aware of who Jade Raymond is that they would actually look at this comic and think, "Huh, I dunno who this is, but I guess she sucked someone's dick to get them to buy some game she's working on," then that's their own problem. Such a person would probably never even see this comic.

You idiots keep using your own lack of ability to apply context to something on your own as a way to attack this comic, but that doesn't cut it. It doesn't have to explain itself that fucking deeply. If you're that stupid, the fault is with you, not the comic.

If you seriously take anything that insanely literally, without even considering that it's anything other than pure literal fact, then how about you take this equally literally, and run with it:
Shut the hell up.
 
And look I don't mean to freak out on you and sound like a lunatic here, but god damn some of you guys are just acting insanely stupid.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']And look I don't mean to freak out on you and sound like a lunatic here, but god damn some of you guys are just acting insanely stupid.[/QUOTE]

pot_calls_kettle_black.bmp
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Jesus fucking Christ, people! This comic is a dozen panels long, with barely enough dialogue to cover a postage stamp. It's not going to include the entire fucking backstory of the joke and every minute detail about Raymond and how she was used to promote Assassin's Creed, and every instance of this and every party involved.[/QUOTE]

Then maybe it shouldn't presuppose to do so, hmm?

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']If anyone is so utterly aware of who Jade Raymond is that they would actually look at this comic and think, "Huh, I dunno who this is, but I guess she sucked someone's dick to get them to buy some game she's working on," then that's their own problem. Such a person would probably never even see this comic.[/QUOTE]

Mayhaps, but that would be why we have laws about slander, not that the item in question constitutes such.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']And how does it do that?[/QUOTE]

As you've argued, Ubisoft, Gametrailers and others are at least as guilty as Raymond herself in this supposed oversaturation. A real attempt at satire, then, would include them, and yet they feature nowhere in this general indictment of "Jade's game."

Thus, it's heavy-handed chauvinism masquerading as parody.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Dress what way? Did she have some wardrobe malfunction I'm not aware of? Did she go to the Britney Spears school of pantiless travel? Did she wear a see-through shirt? She must have done something?[/quote]
Yeah, sarcasm. It's how people (mostly men) blame rape victims (women) for their own rape (by men). Of course she dressed perfectly normally, but since she's not hideous she's a whore.
 
I like how everyone just ignored CoffeeEdge's evidence, and kept preaching in their "I'm better than you women haters because I don't have a sense of humor" way.

Also did someone compare Jade Raymond to Will Wright? Are you kidding me?
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Also did someone compare Jade Raymond to Will Wright? Are you kidding me?[/quote]

That was me, and felt it was appropriate, considering that the people who make their own games tend to present them. It was not in terms of prestige.

Now, as this thread was implying, she is a whore in the sense of being a spotlight whore, not a "suck your cock for money" whore, as the comic implies. You get the same result when David Jaffe plugs God of War, or Will Wright showcases Spore, it's the same result: A developer professionally whores his/her game. It's not a tasteless presentation, it's how the economy works, and we call it advertising.

The Jade/Blowjob comic just makes more sense, because in the simplest, most childish sexual inneundo (Read: not my own beliefs): Woman + Cock in proximity = Cock in mouth. Realistically though, the same comic works with Wright or Jaffe as well
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~HotShotX
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']I like how everyone just ignored CoffeeEdge's evidence, and kept preaching in their "I'm better than you women haters because I don't have a sense of humor" way.[/QUOTE]

It's evidence from one fucking site. Big deal. They're not "whoring her out" due to hear appearance anymore than they are David Jaffe, Itagaki, or others who are prominently featured in the 700+ videos that result with a media search for "developer diary" or the 2100+ that result from doing one for "interview" on that very website.

Let me put it this way: for a high profile game to have feature interviews with the production team on the GT website is redundant. AC does not stand out due to the number or content: merely in the fact that JR is a woman. Had the results for AC's media page not shown many interviews with her, it would have been quite strange, given how other games are archived/promoted on GT.

The only thing with any validity CE pointed out was the banner ad. No production member should be that heavily centered around a banner ad for a game so heavily promoted. Put Altair up in there, y'know?

A GT media page for a heavily hyped game features interviews with the producer? Color me fuckin' stymied! I've never seen a page like that before. :roll:

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Jesus fucking Christ, people! This comic is a dozen panels long, with barely enough dialogue to cover a postage stamp. It's not going to include the entire fucking backstory of the joke and every minute detail about Raymond and how she was used to promote Assassin's Creed, and every instance of this and every party involved.[/quote]

A picture is worth a dozen or so words? If that what you're getting at?

Moreover, if it's not literally in the comic itself, you better explain why you're taking the comic out of context to try to defend and justify it. There are no implications, taking everything at face value (like a moron), that Ubisoft or anyone other than JR has anything to do with the whoring out. It's her responsibility and hers alone.

Why must you take things out of context? Christ almighty. Allow me to paraphrase:

You idiots keep using your own lack of ability to apply context to something on your own as a way to defend this comic, but that doesn't cut it. It doesn't have to explain itself that fucking deeply. If you're that stupid, the fault is with you, not the comic.
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Indeed. Context matters when it matters to you, and free interpretation matters when it matters to you. I see we are playing by different sets of rules, then. That's fine and dandy, if you like to look the fool by ignoring things you criticize others of doing, just for the moment, so you can do it yourself. :lol:

A simple comic, sans jizz, sans implied blowjobs, featuring stuffy boardroom types brainstorming over various provocative things JR could do to promote AC? It would get the point (the one you're still failing at making with regards to her being whored out to the media and gamers) you seem to approve of across, while pointing to Ubi as the culprit/causal organization.

This is not Dickensian backstory here. It would take but a single panel to do as much. Don't be obtuse. Or, rather, do your best not to be.

If anyone is so utterly aware of who Jade Raymond is that they would actually look at this comic and think, "Huh, I dunno who this is, but I guess she sucked someone's dick to get them to buy some game she's working on," then that's their own problem. Such a person would probably never even see this comic.
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Whose mouth are you putting words in by claiming that people would take this comic literally? Are you deliberately putting up straw men, deliberately trying to change the subject, or just plain dumb?

Nobody is arguing that this is a literal interpretation of something that happened. I, personally, am arguing that applying this specific sexist situation to a high profile game producer, who happens to be female, is inappropriate. That's all. None of this bullshit hee-haw "I'll die to protect your rights to free speech" hyperbole (you'd do no such thing and you know it), none of this "this should be banned."

Simply this: it's tasteless, it's sexist, it contributes to gender inequality in society (even if in minuscule ways), and has absolutely zero to do with the product she worked on. It was, as a critique, one that avoided the typical routes that lead to biting commentary on someone's work, and took the shortcut (at 90MPH) straight to ad hominem avenue.

You idiots keep using your own lack of ability to apply context to something on your own as a way to attack this comic, but that doesn't cut it. It doesn't have to explain itself that fucking deeply. If you're that stupid, the fault is with you, not the comic.
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So, is it the context of JR opening her mouth to talk about a video game that was so erotic, or was it the way she dresses like an extra on "Dawson's Creek"? Because, if we're interpreting things so literally and looking at context, I shouldn't find anything erotic at all about JR being interviewed about taking me, the virtual tourist gamer, on a walkthrough of Damascus, or some other location in AC.

Right? Right.

If you seriously take anything that insanely literally, without even considering that it's anything other than pure literal fact, then how about you take this equally literally, and run with it:
Shut the hell up.
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How quickly we go back on our promises to fight for everyone's free speech rights! And here I thought you were a genuine tough fella, since you like to challenge folks to fights "IRL" on CAG when you get really, really cranky! So much for that, I suppose. If you weren't so busy glossing over a developer interview, slapping it as being evidence of JR being "whored out" with much the same methodological scrutiny that Jack Thompson would use in determining if a video game were a "murder simulator" or not, perhaps you'd still have time to fight for my freedom.

Freedom fighter.

Before I forget, The Sims Online was an undeniable failure. However, this was not realized until after release, and all signs pointed to EA thinking that this shit was going to cost people their families, jobs, and lives, because it was going to be so fuckin' BIG. How many big box copies of this piece of garbage flooded stores on day 1? Face it, Sims Online was a huge, huge deal, and to be at the helm of that game, while you call it a "massive failure," is a "massive undertaking" on the other side of that same coin. EA anticipated huge sales and revenues from this game, and it was after release that it flopped - redundant, of course, but unique in that EA did not *anticipate* it to be a massive failure during development. So, yes, it was a massive failure, but (1) that's circumstantial (SO failed for so many debatable reasons), and (2) the reviews of AC suggest that perhaps she isn't the massive failure you think she truly is.
 
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