[quote name='mykevermin']1) Oh, I see this is some personal thing you got for me now? Who
are you anyway? Did I disagree with you in the vs forum? And you took it personally, I see. For shame.[/QUOTE]
No your just famous for you black and white views, hipocrisy, not responding to points and changing the subject when called out on something.
[quote name='mykevermin']
2) You're disregarding the very point that those games listed as the "most pirated" represent a broad swath of DRM types and distribution types. You continue to try to frame this issue as the noble, virtuous PC gamers who defend their territory against the nefarious hardline-DRM publishers but will stand by those who do not "spit in gamers' faces" with DRM or other whatever-it-is you want to call your perpetually revised target so you don't have to concede an argument.[/QUOTE]
I said the spit in the gamers faces from the beggening so its not a revsion. And as for making things up show me where I said that pirating the games was noble, show me or admit your the one who making crap up.
[quote name='mykevermin']
The numbers above in terms of the most pirated games don't show a pattern of discrimination (haha!) that make DRM-heavy games the most likely victims. It shows PC games that people want to play. It outright refutes the idea that how a company treats a game impacts the piracy rate. You know, but refuse to admit, that there's one thing that unites PC games that are pirated: being a PC game.[/QUOTE]
Really
here is a list of best selling retail non mmo games of 2008
1.
Spore - Electronic Arts
2.
Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare - Activision
3.
The Sims 2 Double Deluxe - Electronic Arts
4.
Fallout 3 - Bethesda Softworks
5.
Call Of Duty: World At War - Activision
6.
The Sims 2 FreeTime - Electronic Arts
7.
Sins Of A Solar Empire - Ironclad Games/Stardock
8.
Warcraft III Battle Chest - Blizzard
9.
The Sims 2 Apartment Life - Electronic Arts
10.
Crysis - Crytek/EA
11.
Left 4 Dead - Valve
12.
Diablo Battle Chest - Blizzard
13.
The Orange Box - Valve
Most pirated games of 2008
- Spore / 1,700,000 / Sept. 2008
- The Sims 2 / 1,150,000 / Sept. 2004
- Assassins Creed / 1,070,000 / Nov. 2007(ubisoft blamed their DRM bug for low sales)
- Crysis / 940,000 / Nov. 2007
- Command & Conquer 3 / 860,000 / Mar. 2007
- Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare / 830,000 / Nov. 2007
- Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas / 740,000 / Jun. 2005
- Fallout 3 / 645,000 / Oct. 2008
- Far Cry 2 / 585,000 / Oct. 2008
- Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 / 470,000 / Oct. 2008
best selling retail games of 2009
1. The Sims 3
2. World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King Expansion Pack
3. The Sims 2 Double Deluxe
4. World of Warcraft: Battle Chest
5. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
6. World of Warcraft Blizzard Entertainment
7. The Sims 3: World Adventures Expansion Pack
8. Spore
9. Dragon Age: Origins
10. Empire: Total War
- Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 -- 4,100,000
- The Sims 3 -- 3,200,000
- Prototype -- 2,350,000
- Need for Speed Shift -- 2,100,000
- Street Fighter 4 -- 1,850,000
Hey look at that most of the best selling games aren't on the most pirated list
[quote name='mykevermin']
Moreover, you conflate turning a profit with maximizing profit;[/QUOTE]
No not really, becuase this is what you said was
[quote name='mykevermin'] you're not going to turn a profit on it. Not on the PC, anyway.
[/QUOTE]
Which of course is wrong.
[quote name='mykevermin']
you say "too bad" for Activision and Prototype. Did they usher in a new, damning form of DRM with that game? Did they "spit in gamers' faces" with the release of it?
[/QUOTE]
I think PC gamers don't like activsion(you know the company that owns infinity ward, milks its franchises rather than innovating, wants to increase the price of games, thinks a company should be run with an
atmosphere of “skepticism, pessimism and
fear”, constantly pulling douchebag moves like pulling DLC and shutting down fan made projects, and who's ceo is generally referred to as evil, hitler, or the devil. )
[quote name='mykevermin']
You are the one who can't handle an argument - confronted with examples, conclusions and corollaries, you don't even make the basest effort to genuinely combat the points. Your entire post is one variation of the intellectual equivalent of "eh, whatever" after another..[/QUOTE]
Really show me what points I didn't address.
No why don't you explain why there is little correlation between how popular a game is and how much it is pirated.
How a bulk of PC gamers are pirates.
Why companies that reward gamers for having legit copies of games seem to not have trouble with piracy.
[quote name='mykevermin']
You have no base to stand on to support the idea that DRM is a causal link that leads to a greater likelihood of piracy.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm sure that's why EA removed the DRM from their games after the spore incedent, why Steam is doing so well and why companies are turning to steam as their form of DRM, Why games with intrusive DRM have higher piracy numbers than sales number.