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[quote name='Dr. Venkman']What saddens me about TNA is that way back when, I gave them a chance...and they impressed the hell out of me. It made me excited about wrestling again, it made me believe that WWE might step up as well due to competition. TNA had IT. Talent. Potential. But somewhere along the line they seemed to forget all about what made them so amazing and fun to watch. These days TNA feels like a badly booked WCW show with an ECW budget.[/QUOTE]

I discovered TNA for myself back in 2005/06 thanks to blind-buying a few DVDs (the first AJ Styles one, the Raven one, maybe a PPV) and I had fucking goosebumps because they were so solid. Then they decided to ditch everything that made early TNA so endearing, load up on ancient WCW talent, and ruin everything. Oh well, not my problem.
 
[quote name='Halo05']I discovered TNA for myself back in 2005/06 thanks to blind-buying a few DVDs (the first AJ Styles one, the Raven one, maybe a PPV) and I had fucking goosebumps because they were so solid. Then they decided to ditch everything that made early TNA so endearing, load up on ancient WCW talent, and ruin everything. Oh well, not my problem.[/QUOTE]


I had been a part of a wrasslin forum in the very late-1990s and early-to-mid-2000s. WCW and ECW had recently died, and everyone generated a lot of hype for TNA. While watching the first PPV, I thought Sonny Siaki, who had been a Flying Elvis, would be a huge name later assimilated into WWE. He just had the look. (See: He looked like Rock Jr.)

I had been a fan through their weekly PPVs, the move to Fox Sports, and to Spike. When I think of the best years of TNA, I think of the Kurt Angle-Samoa Joe feud. Just incredible matches. But you could tell that TNA was shifting from younger, fresher talent to old-hats. A year or so after the Angle-Joe feud, I stopped watching.

However, when I think of the worse of TNA, I don't think of today's stuff (probably because I don't watch today's stuff), I think of the James Gang. I know some people like the New Age Outlaws, but I'm not one of them.
 
Your story Chase is very much like mine. I got into TNA right when Raven made his debut then started the whole Raven vs Jarrett storyline. Stuff like the X Division which was incredible really got me hooked. I pretty much quit right when you did especially due to the horrible pacing of Impact at the time when they something like 15 storyline going on during one segment. It's sad that TNA pretty much abandoned what got people loving and caring about their product in favor of the old geezer retirement home talent they keep dragging in.
 
I don't really know why, but it IRRITATES me when guys like Hogan brag about TNA only being around for 10 years and now they are the #2 wrestling company in the world. Umm...hello? McFly?

Buttheads.
 
TNA has some full PPVs up on youtube and some of the superstar DVDs like Raven and Jeff Hardy early ones. The PPV last night was pretty solid 2nd half on.. the first half was like an impact episode. Bully Ray/Aries was very solid, AJ/Angle was great and RVD/Roode was pretty damn good. RVD looked like he gave a shit last night, probably trying to impress some WWE folks when his contract runs out.
 
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First Jericho shirt in 4 years and this is what they come up with?
 
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First Jericho shirt in 4 years and this is what they come up with?[/QUOTE]


That may be the most awful WWE shirt I've seen in quite some time. Right up there with the Sheamus "Great White" and Christian "Throw The Switch" shirts, just by gawd awful. The company REALLY needs to hire some people that know the concept of design and what demographic they are aiming at.
 
what ever became of the


WWE NETWORK ???


also looks like shamus (or however you spell his name) losses his title at the PPV since there is a Monday night show JUNE 25 and it shows him without the title

and the matches have changed

it was punk vs jericho for the title now its
Punk vs that YES YES YES guy for the title
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ziadanger/

My buddy's flickr page. She does a lot of photos for local indies. Her Extreme Reunion shots are pretty danged good, if you ask me. Check out her pics if you have some time.

EDIT: WWE put up an article on the "25 greatest Intercontinental Champions of all time." Featuring people like Cody Rhodes at #23. If that's not aggravating enough, you can also experience the absurdity of them blurring out *every* classic style "WWF" logo on the belt, but the main photo for the article features a clear-as-day WWF "scratch" logo. You don't blur anything on Triple H, evidently. ;)
 
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made the mistake of actually looking at that "top 25" and i am pretty sure I threw up in my mouth several times looking at the order of the rankings...Steamboat at 22, Rick Rude at 11 and Orton of all people ahead of them both at 10!?
 
[quote name='Skooba81']made the mistake of actually looking at that "top 25" and i am pretty sure I threw up in my mouth several times looking at the order of the rankings...Steamboat at 22, Rick Rude at 11 and Orton of all people ahead of them both at 10!?[/QUOTE]

To be fair they nailed it with Savage at #1 which is a no-brainer. Remember when the IC title was as prestigious as the World Title?

However, Steamboat should have gotten a little more love than a spot below Jeff Hardy.
 
[quote name='neocisco']Was HTM on that list? If so, he was probably ranked above Steamboat. Yech.[/QUOTE]

#6. HTM does have the notoriety of the longest IC reign going for him so...*shrug*. Top 5 on the list are Savage, Jericho, Warrior, Perfect... and Pat Patterson, or "Of course", "Sure", "OK", "Great" and "Huh?"
 
I agree 100% with Savage being number one, he definitely brought alot of prestige to the title. As much as I love Warrior as a kid and as much as I respect Jericho I wouldn't put either of them ahead of Perfect, even though he never won the World Title he was damn near a god when he ran with the IC strap.
 
A theory I heard re: Big Show that makes complete sense, and will probably happen because it's a terrible idea.

Laurinaitis loses his job if he loses against Cena. If anyone interferes, they're fired.

Who's a man that's already fired, wants his job back and will do anything to prove to Laurinaitis that he's sorry?
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Don't discredit Warrior because he wasn't a ring technician. His run w/ the IC strap and the buildup to WM6, along with the match, really helped establish the IC titleholder as someone who is main event potential.

Look at what's happened to it over the past 5-7 years. Who among those IC champs really (1) helped the belt's prestige or (2) benefited from the title run and moved on, successfully, to the main event?
 
Bold statement, but Steamboat is a fair call at #22. He only held the belt for about two months and didn't do much with it. Orton's reign of 200+ days was the first 100+ day stretch in over five years.
 
[quote name='JJSP']Bold statement, but Steamboat is a fair call at #22. He only held the belt for about two months and didn't do much with it. Orton's reign of 200+ days was the first 100+ day stretch in over five years.[/QUOTE]

I don't disagree with this.
 
It always kinda makes me wonder though. What if the WWF had given some of these IC title holders a shot at the main title and let them run with it?

I mean, we remember guys like Mr. Perfect and Ricky Steamboat as top guys, but you have to kinda wonder why they weren't given bigger pushes back in the day.
 
Don't get me wrong I am not saying that Warrior isn't a top 4 champ, because I honestly believe he is but I just don't feel like his run as champ was as impressive as Perfect's. I just feel like Perfect made the belt more relevant as a stand alone title than Warrior did.

I really do miss the days when the IC title meant something, for a long time it was my favorite belt, I always thought it looked cooler than the World Title back then too.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Don't discredit Warrior because he wasn't a ring technician. His run w/ the IC strap and the buildup to WM6, along with the match, really helped establish the IC titleholder as someone who is main event potential.

Look at what's happened to it over the past 5-7 years. Who among those IC champs really (1) helped the belt's prestige or (2) benefited from the title run and moved on, successfully, to the main event?[/QUOTE]

Don't get me wrong I am not saying that Warrior isn't a top 4 champ, because I honestly believe he is but I just don't feel like his run as champ was as impressive as Perfect's. I just feel like Perfect made the belt more relevant as a stand alone title than Warrior did.

I really do miss the days when the IC title meant something, for a long time it was my favorite belt, I always thought it looked cooler than the World Title back then too.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']It always kinda makes me wonder though. What if the WWF had given some of these IC title holders a shot at the main title and let them run with it?

I mean, we remember guys like Mr. Perfect and Ricky Steamboat as top guys, but you have to kinda wonder why they weren't given bigger pushes back in the day.[/QUOTE]

It was the Hogan show back in the day. I would've loved to see Steamboat or (especially) Perfect get a run with the World Title but I'm sure Hogan's ego wouldn't allow it. Plus, business-wise, Hogan as champ made sense. Dude was a huge draw although at the same time, he'd still be a huge draw pursuing the title as opposed to defending it.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']I mean, we remember guys like Mr. Perfect and Ricky Steamboat as top guys, but you have to kinda wonder why they weren't given bigger pushes back in the day.[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='Halo05']It was the Hogan show back in the day. I would've loved to see Steamboat or (especially) Perfect get a run with the World Title but I'm sure Hogan's ego wouldn't allow it. Plus, business-wise, Hogan as champ made sense. Dude was a huge draw although at the same time, he'd still be a huge draw pursuing the title as opposed to defending it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. I kinda figured it was more of the same politics we're seeing now keeping the actual talent in TNA from being able to make a name for themselves. Apparently Hogan didn't learn that eventually you have to give your 'spot' to a new guy to let them have a career.

Wasn't there a sorta skit in WCW at one point about people and their 'spots'?
 
Don't know who Tara is, but figured this was somehow news

Tara stated Tuesday via Twitter that she is featured in the latest issue of Penthouse—a pornographic magazine.

"Be sure to pick the newest edition of Penthouse to see your favorite knockout, Tara. Hubba Hubba," the TNA Knockout wrote.

The veteran women's wrestler stated multiple times during her WWE tenure that she would have gladly posed nude for Playboy had she been asked.

Varon also stated Tuesday that she is involved with an undisclosed project which will keep her away from her Chicago, Illinois residence for one month.
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I'm just hoping for naturals—or really good, undetectable implants. A friend send over some, uh, "uncovered" photos that Brooke Adams did prior to her TNA stint. She has perhaps the worst implant job I've seen.
 
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That's an easy one - neither guy was top-notch on the mic. Both were given main event pushes, just not in the WWF. Hennig at least had one run with Hogan though. Steamboat was just not someone geared to be a WWF main eventer when he was there. Now if he was younger and the age he was in '89 in '94 when Bret and Shawn were rising, maybe he'd have gotten a run, but in the land of the giants...nah. IC level was perfect for him.
 
Didnt Victoria/Tara keep begging for Playboy to do a pictorial on her but they never responded? Remember something like how Playboy kept wanting Trish or Torrie (eventually did one) or Stacy but they never agreed to do it.
 
[quote name='Chase']I'm just hoping for naturals—or really good, undetectable implants. A friend send over some, uh, "uncovered" photos that Brooke Adams did prior to her TNA stint. She has perhaps the worst implant job I've seen.[/QUOTE]

If you're interested in Brooke Adams for her
breasticles
then you need your vision checked.

Or just tell her to turn around.
 
25. Rey Mysterio Jr. (2, 128 days)
24. Cody Rhodes (2, 252+ days & counting)
23. Goldust (3, 168 days)
22. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (1, 65 days)
21. Jeff Hardy (4, 329 days)
20. Greg "The Hammer" Valentine (1, 285 days)
19. The Rock (2, 339 days)
18. Tito Santana (2, 443 days)
17. Jeff Jarrett (6, 297 days)
16. "Stone Cold" Steve Austin (2, 65 days)
15. Rob Van Dam (6, 211 days)
14. Edge (5, 171 days)
13. Shawn Michaels (3, 406 days)
12. Triple H (5, 196 days)
11. "Ravishing" Rick Rude (1, 148 days)
10. Randy Orton (1, 210 days)
9. Pedro Morales (2, 619 days)
8. Bret "The Hitman" Hart (2, 290 days)
7. Razor Ramon (4, 438 days)
6. Honky Tonk Man (1, 454 days)
5. Pat Patterson (1, 233 days)
4. Mr. Perfect (2, 406 days)
3. The Ultimate Warrior (2, 432 days)
2. Chris Jericho (9, 318 days)
1. Randy "Macho Man" Savage (1, 414 days)

The exhaustive list of the top 25 WWE/WWF Intercontinental Champions of all time, as decided by the WWE. Via Wikipedia, I went in and added the number of reigns and the total length of them (with the exception of Cody, who currently holds the belt).

The only one I really disagree with is Austin, who really didn't do shit with the belt other than throw it in a river. It's not like it helped him get into the main event as it was a quick run back and forth with Owen and Rock and his feud with Vince helped him a thousand times more than getting dropped on his head by Owen Hart. Patterson's a gimme since he's the first guy to hold the belt and probably helped write the list, but I'd bump him back to somewhere in the early 20's and move everyone else up a spot.

The big, enormous, shining, glaring omission in the list? Don "The Rock" Muraco. If we're going to put Tito Santana on the list, you have to include Muraco since Tito's best moments with the belt were spent getting his ass kicked by Don. He held the belt for over 500 days, good enough 2nd on the all time list. Add in the absolute wars Muraco had with Pedro Morales (and the IC/World feud with Backlund and the legendary IC Title match with Snuka in the cage), and Muraco should easily slide into the top 25. Give him Austin's spot.

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Rey was a 2 time IC champ? When did that happen?

And you are correct JJSP, Muraco should absolutely be in the top 25.
 
For one of them, he beat JBL in about 30 seconds at Wrestlemania. For the other, he feuded with Jericho for a few months before losing the title to John Morrison's new finisher, The Wellness Policy.
 
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