80% of their business does NOT come from GameStop. This is common knowledge. The biggest retailer for brand-new titles in the U.S. is not GameStop, it's Wal-Mart. The majority of sales at GameStop are in used games. And used games do not presently profit the original publishers, developers, or platform holders.
Regardless of how 3rd party publishers decide to handle the used game trade-in process (no fees, transfer fees, or not allowing it at all), it seems to me the ability to outright sell your used game is completely blocked (I'm not going to count the one-time license transfer to a 30-day or longer XBL friend
) and that is 100% on Microsoft.Totally. From what I've heard the amount of new sales generated from trades is nearly 1:1 with any sales lost from used. Now, for anyone who thinks that removing the used market wouldn't matter then obviously doesn't understand economics.
Exactly. We were all prepared for this gen to be the last "media" generation, then all of a sudden... BAMM! Media is dead.It is sudden for a lot of people used to the way console gaming has always been. Like I said, it was gradually moving that way anyway, but making it 100% that way for the next system was just a bit too much. But yeah, they are also being obnoxious.
that. All they had to do was suffer through one more generation of used games while preparing people for digital with deals, but no, everyone got greedy. What MS is essentially peddling with the Xbone is OnLive with the illusion of owning a disc.No, but the new game I purchase with the money I made from selling a game does. Now do they not only not get a portion of the used sales, now the consumer they are treating like a thief quits buying as many new games, killing the almighty attach ratio... which in turn hurts the mid-tier games since people will just stick to the AAA games. It's lose-lose-lose on their end and they're to money hungry to see it.
Leaving it up to the publishers is absurd. So theoretically EA could say Madden is worth $x, Ubisoft says Rayman is worth $y, and Activision says CoD is worth $0 because they want 0 trade ins. So in this market you could have a mess of games that have no value at all just confusing the consumer. "This game is only 3 weeks old, what do you mean I can't trade it for anything?"Regardless of how 3rd party publishers decide to handle the used game trade-in process (no fees, transfer fees, or not allowing it at all), it seems to me the ability to outright sell your used game is completely blocked (I'm not going to count the one-time license transfer to a 30-day or longer XBL friend
I think it's also important to mention that if you go to GS and look at the wall, it's full of a bunch of old shit and some new stuff. They aren't even making most of those games anymore. You can't lose a sale on an out of print game...
if people been in gamestops in say last year or so they would see used game walls are getting smaller and smaller gamestop seen this coming for awhile now. i know the 4 game stops in my area seems like everytime i go in they have less and less used games. it now makes since why game stop started to sell things like iphones and tablets and allow people to trade them in.
A great point that always gets glossed over. MS can't lose a sale on Kameo when Kameo hasn't been available for 6 years.
the thing with that (at least with retail releases) is that will piss off the brick and mortar places. steam doesnt have to really deal with that as most stuff is digital only anyway. if they release a game a week prior at say, a $40 price point, the gamestops, walmarts, best buys, etc will throw a pretty big fit.Yeah, they definitely could have been more gradual and given people incentives to go with digital purchases instead of discs.It is sudden for a lot of people used to the way console gaming has always been. Like I said, it was gradually moving that way anyway, but making it 100% that way for the next system was just a bit too much. But yeah, they are also being obnoxious
Make the download version cheaper. Maybe put some big games up a week or month before they come out on disc.
avg gamer on ps3 and 360 is between ages of 27-35 where do you get that most people that play xbox are kids :facepalm:
Actually I think that's more of a business move to reduce used real estate in favor of peripherals and accessories. They've simply been refining a process that was in place when I worked there a decade ago, where excess copies or unpopular titles were being shipped to warehouses for redistribution or what is surely now online used sales.
Read what I said again. Business. Wal-Mart does not sell used games in their stores, and they have a limited selection of used games on their online store, which isn't where most of Wal-Mart's games business comes from. That is where Gamestop makes up the difference and surpasses Wal-Mart's games business as a whole, while it is true most new game and console sales are done at Wal-Mart.
At this point, I plan on buying a Wii U and PS4. Sony did say that their console would work even if you never connected it to the Internet but that they'll let publishers decide on used/drm. The way I interpret that is that Sony will allow DRM free disks. Meaning that all first party games will be just like current gen games and can even be resold on eBay. Meanwhile, if you want to play Mass Effect 4, EA is going to force you to connect to the Internet every 24hrs (or have some other sort of proprietary Sony DRM).
And GS isn't even losing the ability to make profits off of used games...
Last year I bought some of my friends copies of Left 4 Dead 2 on Steam just so we wouldn't have to play on XBL, where at least once every other game some little kid would go off on a tirade of racial slurs and homophobia that would make the KKK blush. Obviously this is going to be more prevalent in games like CoD (hell, it's practically white noise there), but it certainly isn't exclusive to those games.
They haven't explained how this works. For all we know, you might have to create the 10 accounts as sub-accounts under yours or give them your login credentials.
what is not to say alot of kids have ps3 also but seeing ps3 don't come with a mic they don't have mic to rage and what not. I'm not saying live is not full of kids but to say ps3 is not full of kids and just xbox is full of them is just dumb.
i don't think ms even knows yet how this will work
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Yes, Timmy, that was the sentiment behind the second part of my post.
I'm pretty sure he was talking about reliability.
Either way, I have no plans on jumping on board either of these trains for a few years. I have yet to really see anything that has made me salivate to the point where I NEED to buy either of them.
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I agree. It's like they supposedly looked at the Red Ring of Death and turned it into a Business Model.
I don't think that's it, it's just that they expect the cycle to last 5 years so they want the console to not break and give them bad PR before 5 years is up. After 5 years they don't care as much because if your console breaks you can just move onto the Xbox One 2.
Ditto. 4th here also. Got a new one, then two refurbs. Then sold the 2nd refurb to some chump on Craigslist who didn't mind have a launch console and used those funds to buy a slim on black friday a couple years back. The slim's worked out well.
I had great experiences with Nintendo hardware until the Wii. My Wii's GPU and DVD drive both had to be prefaced. This generation has been really bad.
OH, well the console's gonna break down in 5 years instead of 3? Well, I guess we should be happy it's more than the 8 months the original 360 got...