GGT 84 Bought Killzone 3 And Regrets It Like Last Night :(

[quote name='icebeast']Well there was a video that basically showed you how to do everything (including the two types of kicks and the lasso) so I felt like I understood a fair amount of it although I was hell a confused on how the guns worked.

As I said in my stealth edit the plot just doesn't seem funny to me because I tend to find things the funniest when they aren't supposed to be; and so in my eyes this game from the short intro the demo gives made it feel like they were trying too hard to be funny (I actually typically avoid comedy movies for this same reason, because a lot of them feel like they are just trying way to hard to be over the top funny without anything else to pad it out, kind of why I like Improv a whole lot more than stand-up). And in a single player FPS game I'm usually looking to the plot to keep me interested, it seems like the point system is supposed to be the interesting part of this game but I've never really cared about high scores, just finishing a game is enough for me, so it isn't really drawing me in.[/QUOTE]

I don't think it's trying to be funny, I just think it's trying to be stupid and it succeeded. That's why I thought it was funny.
 
[quote name='icebeast']Well there was a video that basically showed you how to do everything (including the two types of kicks and the lasso) so I felt like I understood a fair amount of it although I was hell a confused on how the guns worked.

As I said in my stealth edit the plot just doesn't seem funny to me because I tend to find things the funniest when they aren't supposed to be; and so in my eyes this game from the short intro the demo gives made it feel like they were trying too hard to be funny (I actually typically avoid comedy movies for this same reason, because a lot of them feel like they are just trying way to hard to be over the top funny without anything else to pad it out and actually build up to something funny, kind of why I like Improv a whole lot more than stand-up). And in a single player FPS game I'm usually looking to the plot to keep me interested, it seems like the point system is supposed to be the interesting part of this game but I've never really cared about high scores, just finishing a game is enough for me, so it isn't really drawing me in.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, sounds like it wouldn't be your cup of tea. It's obviously not a story-driven FPS, and the points/creative kills system seems to be the main focus, so if you aren't interested in that kind of thing, then you'd probably be best off skipping it.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']Yeah, sounds like it wouldn't be your cup of tea. It's obviously not a story-driven FPS, and the points/creative kills system seems to be the main focus, so if you aren't interested in that kind of thing, then you'd probably be best off skipping it.[/QUOTE]

It's kinda story driven, just not in the way you're probably used to.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']Point systems are always super interesting. You crazy icebeast.[/QUOTE]

Fruit for points?

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[quote name='distgfx']It's kinda story driven, just not in the way you're probably used to.[/QUOTE]

Interesting.

Also, a lot of intelligent people whose opinions I respect that have played the game have said the humor grows on you, so I'm going to take their word for it. I typically don't like stupid humor, but I feel like Bulletstorm is over-the-top enough that I might find it funny.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']Interesting.

Also, A lot of intelligent people whose opinion's I respect that have played the game have said the humor grows on you, so I'm going to take their word for it. I typically don't like stupid humor, but I feel like Bulletstorm is over-the-top enough that I might find it funny.[/QUOTE]

Bingo, that's the idea!
 
HELLO EVERYONE

THIS IS CHARLIE SHEEN.

YEARS OF BEATING MY WIFE, DOING COCAINE AND FILMING A SUBPAR SITCOM HAVE DRIVEN ME LEGALLY INSANE.

Wazooooooooo
 
Bulletstorm's humour really does grow on you. At first you think it's trying too hard but eventually you'll be like,"wow, this game is so genius." With that charm on top of the slick gameplay that you can take any angle on (guy standing in front of some electric wires? why shoot when you could kick him into it!!!?) -- it's a solid buy.

Not sure if another shooter can top it this year.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']Bulletstorm's humour really does grow on you. At first you think it's trying too hard but eventually you'll be like,"wow, this game is so genius." With that charm on top of the slick gameplay that you can take any angle on (guy standing in front of some electric wires? why shoot when you could kick him into it!!!?) -- it's a solid buy.

Not sure if another shooter can top it this year.[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='panzerfaust']Bulletstorm's humour really does grow on you. At first you think it's trying too hard but eventually you'll be like,"wow, this game is so genius." [/QUOTE]

I know you are joking, but I have seriously heard a bunch of people say pretty much this.

For example, here's an excerpt from Jeff Gerstmann's review:

"Bulletstorm's script is ridiculous and curse-filled, and the recurring gag is that they like to insert the cursing into sentences where it doesn't make any immediate sense. So when you first meet up with Trishka, she threatens to "kill your dick." Later on, the general you're trying to murder starts calling your Asian associate "Sushi-dick." They talk about "getting all murdery." Out of context like this, it's going to sound awful, like the exact kind of forced attitude that ensures that the mainstream audience views games as power fantasies for the developmentally arrested. But you know what? In context, it's layered on so thick and at such odd times that it actually works pretty well. The script takes some time here and there to sort of wink and nod at you as if to say "yeah, we know, that doesn't make any sense at all" or "we're going to have the guy get offended at the racist remark because we know that obviously is way uncool." Your personal taste is going to dictate how much dick-tit you can handle, but after rolling my eyes at the writing for the first couple of hours, I started to get into it."
 
[quote name='Jesus_S_Preston']icebeezy put your skirt back on, NO ONE WANTS TO DIDDLE YOUR VIDEO

*laugh track*

SNORTS COCAIIIIIIIINE[/QUOTE]

Actually I've diddled that video in the past and I just diddled it again. It just felt right.
 
I think these are the types of songs that worry my family because I listen to them (I'm not really depressed though, but there have been a couple times in my life where I was, and I don't know music like this makes it easier, it helps me remember to not give up):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQNVCOvaRpE

I don't know reading Brave Story the novel (which actually deals with a lot of very adult stuff considering I think it is young adult) is reminding me of one of those bad times in my life because some of the events in it are somewhat similar to what happened to my family; I mean it is way different but just going through my parent's divorce and I was at the very center of it because I had to testify in court regarding something that involved both of them and it made me feel like I was picking a side even though I only told the truth.
 
[quote name='icebeast']I think these are the types of songs that worry my family because I listen to them (I'm not really depressed though, but there have been a couple times in my life where I was, and I don't know music like this makes it easier, it helps me remember to not give up):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQNVCOvaRpE
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Listening to "depressing" music doesn't have to mean that you are depressed. For instance, I am a really happy person but I still like stuff like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJKXqTZtdmE
 
[quote name='ihadFG']Listening to "depressing" music doesn't have to mean that you are depressed. For instance, I am a really happy person but I still like stuff like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJKXqTZtdmE
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Haha, well for me it isn't like I'm depressed all the time, and it I listen to this type of music even when I'm happy but I think that is because I understand it because I know the feelings. I liked that song by the way, the orchestration was interesting. Here is one I listened to a lot when I was depressed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saNoXJn_Jtc
 
[quote name='distgfx']I don't think it's trying to be funny, I just think it's trying to be stupid and it succeeded. That's why I thought it was funny.[/QUOTE]
Amen.
[quote name='panzerfaust']Bulletstorm's humour really does grow on you. At first you think it's trying too hard but eventually you'll be like,"wow, this game is so genius." With that charm on top of the slick gameplay that you can take any angle on (guy standing in front of some electric wires? why shoot when you could kick him into it!!!?) -- it's a solid buy.

Not sure if another shooter can top it this year.[/QUOTE]
Amen x 2.


Honestly, the game is not serious one bit. And that's why I like it. It's not serious, the gunplay is tight, and it's just about killing shit, gunning for score, and having a good time. I'll take that over overwrought bullshit like Bioshock. fuck that game and the rest of the tripe that Ken Levine spews out. Stop trying to be clever and "deep" when you aren't. fuck that, I want to enjoy a game when I play it. Gameplay >>> story, that's why I play games.

Bioshock is cheesy on accident, Bulletstorm is cheesy on purpose

Call of Duty can eat a bag of dicks too. Single player is atrocious, story is always too serious and shitty. Only reason anyone likes that sack of shit series is for multiplayer.

And that leads me to my main complaint about modern FPS games. They all like to show you destruction and shit. fuck showing me it, I want to cause it. I'm tired of being the bystander in games. Let me blow up the bridge, not watch it blow up.
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']Stop trying to be clever and "deep" when you aren't. fuck that, I want to enjoy a game when I play it. Gameplay >>> story, that's why I play games.[/QUOTE]
False dichotomies kick fucking ass.
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']Amen.

Amen x 2.


Honestly, the game is not serious one bit. And that's why I like it. It's not serious, the gunplay is tight, and it's just about killing shit, gunning for score, and having a good time. I'll take that over overwrought bullshit like Bioshock. fuck that game and the rest of the tripe that Ken Levine spews out. Stop trying to be clever and "deep" when you aren't. fuck that, I want to enjoy a game when I play it. Gameplay >>> story, that's why I play games.

Bioshock is cheesy on accident, Bulletstorm is cheesy on purpose

Call of Duty can eat a bag of dicks too. Single player is atrocious, story is always too serious and shitty. Only reason anyone likes that sack of shit series is for multiplayer.

And that leads me to my main complaint about modern FPS games. They all like to show you destruction and shit. fuck showing me it, I want to cause it. I'm tired of being the bystander in games. Let me blow up the bridge, not watch it blow up.[/QUOTE]

I was with you until you said that stuff about Bioshock and Ken Levine. :nottalking:
I like both narrative-driven games and fun-driven games. Both types of games can and should coexist.

I agree with you about the last part though. Player interactivity is what makes video games special. Taking control away from the player only lessens the impact.
 
The part about BS and Ken Levine is opinion. Agree ti disagree. ^__^

I like a narrative too. Shit, that's why I like RPGs. But it just irks me when people complain about one game not being serious when it's a blast to play, then they praise another game that has stale ass gameplay but a story.

I liked Heavy Rain, for the record. So I'm probably just full of shit and full of drinks, and wanting to ramble on about bullshit. ^__^
 
[quote name='ihadFG']
I like both narrative-driven games and fun-driven games. Both types of games can and should coexist.[/QUOTE]
Both "types of games" can be the same fucking game.

Don't have to be - shouldn't always be - but most certainly god damn can be.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Both "types of games" can be the same fucking game.

Don't have to be - shouldn't always be - but most certainly god damn can be.[/QUOTE]

Yep, I agree. I love Braid for that very reason.

But sometimes fun and narrative can conflict, and I'm fine with a game that wants to focus on narrative. (and I really appreciate it when a game does that by using the video game medium to its benefit)
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']Amen.

Amen x 2.


Honestly, the game is not serious one bit. And that's why I like it. It's not serious, the gunplay is tight, and it's just about killing shit, gunning for score, and having a good time. I'll take that over overwrought bullshit like Bioshock. fuck that game and the rest of the tripe that Ken Levine spews out. Stop trying to be clever and "deep" when you aren't. fuck that, I want to enjoy a game when I play it. Gameplay >>> story, that's why I play games.

Bioshock is cheesy on accident, Bulletstorm is cheesy on purpose

Call of Duty can eat a bag of dicks too. Single player is atrocious, story is always too serious and shitty. Only reason anyone likes that sack of shit series is for multiplayer.

And that leads me to my main complaint about modern FPS games. They all like to show you destruction and shit. fuck showing me it, I want to cause it. I'm tired of being the bystander in games. Let me blow up the bridge, not watch it blow up.[/QUOTE]

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... Except I liked Bioshock, lol.
 
[quote name='distgfx']

... Except I liked Bioshock, lol.[/QUOTE]

That's ok because you have good taste bro.

Man you guys got me throwin' "bro" in unintentionally now.
 
I agree with nobody, I didn't like Bioshock or Bulletstorm. ;) (Bioshock I played and beat though, but I wouldn't call it amazing like so many people seem to).
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Re: Hankmecrankme

One thing I like is stories, but one thing I DON'T like is you.[/QUOTE]

Cool story, bro.

BTW, Braid can eat a bag of dicks too.
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']Cool story, bro.

BTW, Braid can eat a bag of dicks too.[/QUOTE]

The only Braid I know of is the one you got goin' on in your pubic hair.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']Yep, I agree. I love Braid for that very reason.

But sometimes fun and narrative can conflict, and I'm fine with a game that wants to focus on narrative. (and I really appreciate it when a game does that by using the video game medium to its benefit)[/QUOTE]
Absolutely.

Planescape Torment. My favouritest game ever. Narrative trumps fun a thousand times there - arcane second-edition D&D rules, shitty teammate AI, but god damn do I ever heart the writing and the look of it.

Worms. I have probably played more Worms than any other multiplayer game - Starcraft, Team Fortress... anything. And there is no semblance of a narrative.

I love both those games to death. And it is a good thing that fun is allowed to trump narrative a lot - games like Worms, Serious Sam, and any Mario game should exist as they are, with a middle finger extended proudly to "story". But there is zero reason in all of tittyfuck why you have to have one without the other in any hypothetical game.

Well, okay, there are reasons. But they come from the limited time, money, vision, and/or talent of developers, not necessity.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Absolutely.

Planescape Torment. My favouritest game ever. Narrative trumps fun a thousand times there - arcane second-edition D&D rules, shitty teammate AI, but god damn do I ever heart the writing and the look of it.

Worms. I have probably played more Worms than any other multiplayer game - Starcraft, Team Fortress... anything. And there is no semblance of a narrative.

I love both those games to death. And it is a good thing that fun is allowed to trump narrative a lot - games like Worms, Serious Sam, and any Mario game should exist as they are, with a middle finger extended proudly to "story". But there is zero reason in all of tittyfuck why you have to have one without the other in any hypothetical game.

Well, okay, there are reasons. But they come from the limited time, money, vision, and/or talent of developers, not necessity.[/QUOTE]

Well I would argue that certain kinds of games could require a lack of "fun" in order to be good. And vice versa for certain games focusing on gameplay. Although I'm not really sure if you were saying anything against that. But yeah, plenty of games can exist with both of those qualities.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']Well I would argue that certain kinds of games could require a lack of "fun" in order to be good.[/QUOTE]
I would not, so long as you remember that "fun" is an enormous god damn category. Worms is fun. Serious Sam is fun. Bulletstorm... I haven't played, but let's pretend it's fun. None of those types of fun would fit in Planescape Torment (which, while riddled with problems, is still, ultimately, pretty fucking fun).

The fun of Planescape Torment is more like the fun of Advance Wars or Axis & Allies or one of the Total War games or some ungodly abomination hybrid of those three with some Half-Life 2 (or The Dig, or, sure, Bioshock, or a good episode of The Outer Limits or anything else where a lot of the fun comes from exploring an utterly alien and vaguely-to-explicitly hostile environment) mixed in because fuck yeah. And there is no point at which making those fun parts better weakens the game. Hell, making the gameplay more fun can enhance the narrative, if anything, and I can't think of a single narrative-driven game where this ain't true. Improving the AI of your teammates makes fighting less frustrating and much more fun - and it also improves the narrative by making you feel like yes, mothafuckas are dangerous. If, in a line of dialogue, the haunted piece of armour with the enormous battle axe is portrayed as a dangerous motherafuckera, then seeing him get stuck behind a floating skull and just sit and sit and sit and wait and watch while a giant worm pecks away at your succubus for half a minute is both fun and narrative killing.
[quote name='ihadFG']And vice versa for certain games focusing on gameplay.[/QUOTE]
This, however, is true. Part of the point of Serious Sam is that the story is bullshit.

EDIT: My posts are getting longish and borderline unreadable. Quick, Hank or JSP or someone: make a trollish post about all this and then move off on a completely different tangent for the rest of the thread.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']Well I would argue that certain kinds of games could require a lack of "fun" in order to be good.[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='The Crotch']EDIT: My posts are getting longish and borderline unreadable. Quick, Hank or JSP or someone: make a trollish post about all this and then move off on a completely different tangent for the rest of the thread.[/QUOTE]
OK, I'll sum up what you're saying:

1. Planescape Torment is fun because it's fun to read, but not fun to play. Perhaps Bethesda can inject some sweet gameplay into a true sequel someday.

Picture it. . .Planescape Torment's setting with Fallout 3 gameplay. . .:drool:

2. Mario doesn't need a story. See Paper Mario Thousand Year Bore or any of the Mario and Luigi games for example. Too much talk. Super Mario RPG is the only good one.

The only way I'd truly accept a Mario game with story is if Nintendo made a spiritual sequel to Plumbers Don't Wear Ties but with Mario and Luigi.

3. Worms is to Canadians what Starcraft is to Koreans.

Might add some more after I eat my cheese sammich.
 
Hank, if your gluttonous ass weren't drooling over the keyboard right now, you'd realize that Mario's canonical plot is actually quite deep and provocative at times. It's not on the level of Sonic's storyline (if Sonic weren't a game, it could practically be an AMC drama), but it feels like each installment in the series is a highlight.
 
Please, Sonic would be a SciFi original series. :nottalking:

And yes, I'm drooling over a cheese sammich. :drool:

Mario Sunshine had a deep plot, you're right. You got fuckin' FRAMED for polluting up the place, which you didn't do. So you gotta clean up the joint while on probation AND find out that $$$$a that set you up.

It's like Rockstar decided to write the story for a Mario game. It's brilliance.
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']Please, Sonic would be a SciFi original series. :nottalking:

And yes, I'm drooling over a cheese sammich. :drool:

Mario Sunshine had a deep plot, you're right. You got fuckin' FRAMED for polluting up the place, which you didn't do. So you gotta clean up the joint while on probation AND find out that $$$$a that set you up.

It's like Rockstar decided to write the story for a Mario game. It's brilliance.[/QUOTE]

Rockstar doesn't write stories; they write poetry. The tale of Nico and people in the game was so emotional. I felt happiness, sadness, and fulfillment all at once. I can only hope that Grand Theft Auto V can top previous entries, and give us an even grander tale of some guy who does things and talks to people.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Rockstar doesn't write stories; they write poetry. The tale of Nico and people in the game was so emotional. I felt happiness, sadness, and fulfillment all at once. I can only hope that Grand Theft Auto V can top previous entries, and give us an even grander tale of some guy who does things and talks to people.[/QUOTE]

I was able to relate to the characters.
 
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