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[quote name='Brak']Because WWE is in a very dark, complacent / stagnant state as a result of having no competition.

Both the WWE and WCW were at their finest when they were neck and neck.

In my opinion, TNA is the great, white hope. A lot of things need to occur to put it in the mainstream, neck and neck with the WWE -- but, as it is, it's a great alternative and something else to watch.

I actually enjoy it more than WWE.[/quote]

no, i meant why are all the wrestlers transferring from WWE to TNA...like every 3 months or so, i look and a former WWE superstar is on TNA...
 
[quote name='swetooth9']no, i meant why are all the wrestlers transferring from WWE to TNA...like every 3 months or so, i look and a former WWE superstar is on TNA...[/QUOTE]

Easier schedule/decent pay
 
People are leaving WWE because they're sick to death of the schedule and the beating, and in some cases, TNA is a viable alternative, because Vince is nuts, and TNA is slightly less nuts... maybe. Hell, Dixie Carter DID think that DX would be coming there, so maybe she's just as crazy as Vince McMahon. As for Lashley as ECW champion, I'm a fan of Lashley's, but he's very out of place in ECW, and should never ever be talking, let alone cutting 15 minute-long promos to open a show. I don't like that his becoming champion so easily made all of the ECW guys who had fought Show seem like complete jobbers by comparison.
 
[quote name='swetooth9']no, i meant why are all the wrestlers transferring from WWE to TNA...like every 3 months or so, i look and a former WWE superstar is on TNA...[/QUOTE]
Well, most of the former WWE talent have been there for a while, and pretty much joined at the same time.

I'd expect to see some semi-constant ship jumping this year, though.
 
yea, like first it was jeff jarret, then sting, then some other dudes, then next thing you know BAM christian, kurt angle, and half the WWE is in TNA..i was like....wtf
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Did I specifically point you out?

I meant the idiots that still watch WWE and go "wow this blows but instead of turning it off, I'm still going to watch every week plus go to live events and chant TNA/carry around signs"

Which sadly is a big part of TNA's fanbase.[/QUOTE]
I was glad when the crowd chanted "T-N-A" during the Rosie vs. Donald match for multiple reasons.

The main reason being, "Hey, Vince. Don't fuck around with this 'entertainment' shit when we came to see wrestling."
 
Jarrett didn't jump from WWE to TNA - he was basically black-balled from WWE and created TNA with his father. Had WWE not black-balled him, they wouldn't have to worry about TNA right now, and I'm pretty sure they never thought that Jeff friggin' Jarrett would be responsible for creating the second-biggest wrestling company in the U.S.
 
[quote name='Brak']I was glad when the crowd chanted "T-N-A" during the Rosie vs. Donald match for multiple reasons.

The main reason being, "Hey, Vince. Don't fuck around with this 'entertainment' shit when we came to see wrestling."[/QUOTE]

That's what the "boring" and "we want wrestling" chants are for.

[quote name='JaytheGamefan']Jarrett didn't jump from WWE to TNA - he was basically black-balled from WWE and created TNA with his father. Had WWE not black-balled him, they wouldn't have to worry about TNA right now, and I'm pretty sure they never thought that Jeff friggin' Jarrett would be responsible for creating the second-biggest wrestling company in the U.S.[/QUOTE]

Well, considering the competition (nothing) and the fact they are backed by Panda (only reason they are still afloat) it isn't very surprising.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']That's what the "boring" and "we want wrestling" chants are for.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. But "TNA!" is more of a neck-jerker for the "creative" team.

If anything, that chant, in that instance, is more powerful than "BORING!"

Then again, we still see McMahon milking the Trump thing that nobody gives a shit about.
 
TNA has a vastly easier schedule, for the moment allows talent to earn extra money working indy shows (UWF, ROH, etc.), and pays relatively well (not WWE standards, by any stretch, but very reasonable for the amount of work required).

I wouldn't be surprised if they stopped allowing their guys to work indies this year, and began a limited house show tour of the east coast (weekend shows only, for instance).

Most of the WWE guys who get out are a combination of those who were let go by the WWE (James Gang, Kurt Angle, Rhino, Raven, Tomko), those who saved enough money (Christian), those who didn't like the WWE schedule (Angle), and those who found that the glass ceiling in the WWE was a bit too thick for them (Christian).

There are plenty of picks for the "who will jump to TNA" list this year. My guesses?

Via WWE release:
Lance Cade
Nick "Eugene" Dinsmore
Shelton Benjamin
Jamie Knoble
Matt Striker
Rene Dupree
Sandman
Sabu

Via contract ending/general unhappiness:
RVD
Paul Heyman
Chris Benoit (the longest shot, by far)

Will be released but not picked up by TNA:
Vito
Sylvain
Shannon Moore

Now, of course, this list is, with few exceptions (RVD/Benoit/Heyman), dependent upon TNA getting a two hour show, which I believe they will sooner than later.

Now, as for who will leave TNA for the WWE:
Abyss
Team 3D
James Gang (long shot on this end)
Elix Skipper

Who TNA will drop and not get picked up by WWE:
A1
Serotonin (Kazarian, Matt Bentley, and Johnny Devine)
Ron "The Truth" Killings
The Naturals
 
[quote name='mykevermin']:drool:

Angle in NJPW? Maybe he does want to die.[/quote]

Hm.. Angle in New Japan... How the mighty have fallen :lol:

What's next Kurt?!? You're gonna be spamming AmDrag with ankle locks to the sound of 500 ROHbots chanting "PLEASE DON'T STOP!" in a bingo hall?

Just kidding of course. I hope TNA airs this match, or at least some of it.
 
[quote name='Brak']Yeah. But "TNA!" is more of a neck-jerker for the "creative" team.

If anything, that chant, in that instance, is more powerful than "BORING!"
[/QUOTE]

Maybe when they have a two-hour timeslot or when they have more star power or when they start to match Raw's ratings or when they start selling out arenas.

Until then it's just one giant eye roll.

[quote name='Brak']Then again, we still see McMahon milking the Trump thing that nobody gives a shit about.[/QUOTE]

NBC's orders.
 
Myke, Chris Benoit will NEVER jump... I remember Vince or someone always offered him a spot on the team even after he retired, or something to that effect. I put Benoit in with the ranks of people like Undertaker, you will never see them jump ship.

I'm fairly certain Team 3D will never go back to WWE, and Abyss would need a complete overhaul since he is a Kane ripoff.
 
Via WWE release:
Lance Cade - huh?
Nick "Eugene" Dinsmore - I've heard good things about him but I guess playing a retard just doesn't cut it for me
Shelton Benjamin - awesome athlete, lacks charisma/mic skills... wouldn't mind to see him in TNA as long as they give him a good gimmick
Jamie Knoble - cool
Matt Striker - he's been built up in ECW quite a bit, assuming ECW folds, I think they'll move him back to RAW
Rene Dupree - same as Striker, I doubt many people want to see either of these guys in TNA
Sandman - Past his prime, but I guess he he still has some markout power left in him
Sabu - I hope TNA doesn't take him back, he left them while they were putting him in decently booked matches.

Via contract ending/general unhappiness:
RVD - Hell yes.
Paul Heyman - Be interesting to see him book along side Russo/Cornette.
Chris Benoit (the longest shot, by far) - For some reason I see him retiring before jumping full time. Maybe he'll have a few final matches in TNA or ROH or something.

Will be released but not picked up by TNA:
Vito - He's pretty over on SD.
Sylvain - Not a fan at all, as I'm sure very few are. He'll either remain the French SD version of Chris Masters or not be employed in wrestling.
Shannon Moore - Same as Sabu, I hope they don't take him back. He's pretty boring as it is.

Now, of course, this list is, with few exceptions (RVD/Benoit/Heyman), dependent upon TNA getting a two hour show, which I believe they will sooner than later.

Now, as for who will leave TNA for the WWE:
Abyss - I really hope he doesn't jump. He's one of the best things TNA has going for it. And it's not like he hasn't been pushed recently.
Team 3D - Screw these guys.
James Gang (long shot on this end) - These guys as well.
Elix Skipper - I miss '04 era Skipper... Diamonds in the Rough wasn't exactly stable of the year huh?

Who TNA will drop and not get picked up by WWE:
A1 - This guy sucks.
Serotonin (Kazarian, Matt Bentley, and Johnny Devine) - Very Naturals-esque stable/story line. I like them so far, I hope it goes somewhere.
Ron "The Truth" Killings - TNA probably dropped the ball with Truth. Former NWA HW champion, what is he doing now? Rapping about nicotine addiction? O...k...
The Naturals - These guys are great athletes but are just plain boring... They should thank Franchise for getting them over :lol:
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Myke, Chris Benoit will NEVER jump... I remember Vince or someone always offered him a spot on the team even after he retired, or something to that effect.[/quote]He wouldn't be the first person promised that and given nothing, although I can't recall off the top of my head who else was screwed over.
 
PhrostByte, the reason I would pick Lance Cade (he seem to be the only one you question TNA picking up) is because they are, just like WCW, a "southern" promotion. Both in location and in philosophy (it's hard to avoid that when you have Jeff Jarrett and Jim Cornette in the office). I could see them making him a Barry Windham kinda guy.

Believe me, he's a good wrestler who can get good heat. He's not amazing, he won't knock your socks off...but he's consistent and reliable. If I had a wrestling company, he'd be in it (he'd probably never hold a title...but he'd still be in it).

Jame Knoble in the X-Division would be awesome; however, the only reason he got hired back after being fired by the WWE last year was because he stayed clean, kept in shape, and (most importantly) stayed out of TNA. Those were the prerequisites for him getting his job back after being busted with steroids.

Lastly, while I'm sure the WWE has promised Chris Benoit the moon, I don't believe they'll give it to him. Then again, they still have Dean Malenko working behind the scenes, and he achieved what the British would call "fuck all" in his WWF television career.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']He wouldn't be the first person promised that and given nothing, although I can't recall off the top of my head who else was screwed over.[/QUOTE]
Bret comes to mind, and Vince even signed him to a 20 year deal, but then backed out of it, leading to the chain of events that led to the Montreal screwjob.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']Bret comes to mind, and Vince even signed him to a 20 year deal, but then backed out of it, leading to the chain of events that led to the Montreal screwjob.[/QUOTE]

That was a money thing though wasn't it?
 
I want to play too!

Via WWE release:
Lance Cade - I really think WWE will keep this guy around at least until '08.
Nick "Eugene" Dinsmore - I hope so
Shelton Benjamin - With the reformation of TWGTT, I can see Benjamin and Haas feuding with the likes of Cryme Time of jumping to SD to face London & Kendrick
Jamie Knoble - Seems inevitable that he's released again, doesn't it?
Matt Striker - Definitely, he was already "banished" to ECW, and word on the street is he's not well liked there either
Rene Dupree - he never really found his place in WWE did he?
Sandman - no, TNA didn't take him before, even if WWE lets him go, I doubt they take him now
Sabu - I hope not. Sabu continues to piss off bookers, and may be banished to the indy circuit after WWE releases him

Via contract ending/general unhappiness:
RVD - This could be the big one, unless WWE does something soon, RVD joins Angle & Christian as TNA's biggest defections
Paul Heyman - I honestly think he'll resurface on WWE television again at some point. I think McMahon views Heyman as sort of his dumb younger relative that he looks out for for some reason, despite the fact he keeps failing. Like Baxter Stockman to Shredder.
Chris Benoit (the longest shot, by far) - As other have said, pry not happening. Didn't Benoit just re-up with the WWE anyhow? He'll retire in WWE, although I doubt he ever gets another title run.

Hey, where's the Con-man? He'll probably end up in TNA sooner than later too.

Will be released but not picked up by TNA:
Vito - I think Vince likes guys that wear dresses too much. However, IF Vito goes, I think TNA would pick him up.
Sylvain - With Dupree, TNA might be wise to pick up Sylvain, and oh I don't know keep them as a tag team? Obviously they needed more time.
Shannon Moore - He basically screwed TNA once, and I doubt they want him back.


Now, of course, this list is, with few exceptions (RVD/Benoit/Heyman), dependent upon TNA getting a two hour show, which I believe they will sooner than later.

Now, as for who will leave TNA for the WWE:
Abyss - That'd be crushing to TNA, and with his recent title run, I think he'll stick around a little longer.
Team 3D - I doubt WWE wants anything to do with these two again.
James Gang (long shot on this end) - See above. Especially after what they said about the H's.
Elix Skipper - Didn't WWE release him once before? Back after the WCW buyout? He won't be back IMO.

Who TNA will drop and not get picked up by WWE:
A1 - I must agree.
Serotonin (Kazarian, Matt Bentley, and Johnny Devine) - again I agree.
Ron "The Truth" Killings - There were rumors he was headed back to WWE awhile ago, and that didn't happen. I don't know if that means WWE doesn't have an interest anymore, or if TNA just found a way to shut him up. I'm 50/50 on this guy wrestling for WWE again.
The Naturals - I kind of think this is the type of tag team that WWE might get, who can tell though.

How about AMW? I thought there were some problems with them already, maybe they'll end up in WWE, because they're definitely the type of guys WWE would sign.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']HBK has Benoit's? Where did you read that?[/QUOTE]
I think he meant HBK and Cade. If I recall, Cade's a graduate of HBK's school.

Shelton Benjamin in TNA would be great for Shelton. He'd be a great fit in the X-Division - same with Jamie Knoble (Gibson). Gibson had some GREAT matches in ROH, and I'd love to see him without the restrictions put on him inside a WWE ring.

Benoit's likely never going to TNA. He'll probably finish out his career mid-carding on Smackdown wrestling guys like MVP and Chavo. It's a damn shame, too - Benoit will be 40 this year, and can still outwrestle 99% of the wrestling world. At the risk of sounding like a Crippler fanboy, he's sorta got that Paul Orndorff vibe - the absolute last guy you'd want to fight, ever...which means he's destined to be a trainer in OVW. At least we'll get a sweet Classic Superstar figure out of him.

The number one TNA guy I'd love to see in a WWE ring? Sting. Somehow, a Sting DVD doesn't seem right unless it's got his matches with Flair and Muta in it.
 
[quote name='JJSP']
The number one TNA guy I'd love to see in a WWE ring? Sting. Somehow, a Sting DVD doesn't seem right unless it's got his matches with Flair and Muta in it.[/quote]

Yea a wwe dvd would be the only dvd that would do him justice..i however havent finished the tna dvd....

and hes a big name as well for tna... cant lose him
 
The Alpha Male Marquis Cor Von? WHAT THE F*CK!!!

Here's some less stunning news:

WWE Hall of Famer The Iron Shiek suffered alcohol poisoning during a recent trip to Boston where he was doing some video interviews. He seems to be fine now though.

In other AWESOME news, Tatanka now has his own myspace page!
 
Can't help but wonder if they're teaching TNA a lesson in copyright protections by outright stealing the name he used in TNA, while they get to dictate what wrestlers call themselves in TNA (e.g., not "The Dudleys").

EDIT: Yeah...his music is silly, but at least it's not another chunka-chunka guitar riff, like everyone else has. It makes me want to scream "OOOOOHHHH FLASH, YOU ARE SOOOOOO FUNNN-KAYYY!" but then my wife would probably throw something at me.
 
and they had to give him a mic... #-o

I can't wait to see him and Lashley do mic work in the ring together. It'll be about as pleasant as having your ear drums scraped with a cactus.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']and they had to give him a mic... #-o

I can't wait to see him and Lashley do mic work in the ring together. It'll be about as pleasant as having your ear drums scraped with a cactus.[/QUOTE]

I don't know, I was fairly impressed.

Especially with that "what" face he made.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']this totally pisses me off..... fuck man....

and of course he has no past etc... man fuck that[/quote]

AGREED! Go TNA's route and throw it in their face. Have him come out and say he left an inferior company with inferior opponents, that were simply beneath him.

Alas, Vince would rather just continue to ignore TNA's existance. Of course I believe that was President Buchanon's approach to the South's secession. We all know how well that one worked!
 
nice to see cassidey riley.....i was actually in the same elevator with him when i stayed at the tna hotel for bound for glory two years ago

that was basically a tna match we just saw
 
[quote name='guyver2077']this totally pisses me off..... fuck man....

and of course he has no past etc... man fuck that[/QUOTE]

and what was up with the pounce not being the finish?

monty brown never screamed submission guy to me.
 
great and now sandman is a jobber!

and fuck that... they should of used a similar theme as the tna one

they might of as well dropped the alpha male name
 
That Sandman/Elijah Burke match should have both men fired.

It was worse than any divas match of the past six months. It almost entered the "Jackie Gayda" level of wrestling hell.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']hell yea!!

and him not finishing with the pounce was stupid[/quote]

In my eyes... Monty Brown has been ruined. The finisher changed, the mannerisms changed (where's the kittie style head nudge to the ring ropes? where's the orgasmic post-pounce explosion?) his name changed... All he needed in TNA was a little more mic experience... I miss him in TNA already :(
 
Monty didn't always finish with the Pounce in TNA. He also used it as a setup to his actual finisher, the Alpha Bomb, at times. I don't like that he does a pounce into a rolling russian legsweep into an armbar for a finisher, while it's new, it makes absolutely no sense, as none of those moves does damage to the same body part, and nothing he does damages the arm. Still, he had the crowd chanting "TNA!" along with his ACTUAL name (which WWE will either edit out later or they'll just change his name), and he kept "the alpha male" nickname. LOL @ him hailing from "THE ANIMAL KINGDOM", by God, he hails from a theme park attraction! RUN! At least "the serengetti" sounded cool. Monty also had a bit of a gut tonight, too.
 
I will have to agree that Monty had a gut tonight. Looks like he took up a life of Dorito eating in between the end of his TNA run and the start of his WWECW run. :rofl:
 
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