Kotaku.com talks smack about CAG

I think it was kinda stupid for Wombat to entice people to make stuff up but you know what, he is right. And that's why I like Wombat, the guy does some stupid stuff but he has the balls to call out people and he is usually right. It's just he usually doesn't know how to handle his words tactfully.

I enjoy reading Kotaku but Crecente has really turned me off. He has been looking like a real douche lately. I think I'll just stick with Joystiq since they mostly have the same articles. Chris Grant and his crew seem more like gamers to me anyway and they are more comedic, like Cheapy and Womat. Crecente and the Kotaku crew are acting more like stuck up journalist pricks than acting like gamers, which is what they should be acting like in my opinion. Give up the bull$hit act already and embrace your site for what it is.
 
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[quote name='carpwrist']Can't wait to hear what CheapyD has to say about this.
As for the folks at Kotaku, they should consider this:
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They should consider giving a squirrel Viagra? What the hell would that do?

At any rate, I'm more than amused since now I understand the low standards of the readers. It was actually nice to post back when they had closed commenting, but I haven't touched that place in months, somewhere around when someone posted a story about girl gaming/news blogs and the shit-flinging chimps stepped up to the challenge, proving why a separate space away from them is needed.
 
Maybe Kotaku didn't/doesn't have the highest level of 'cred' now, but what about the 'legitimate' gaming media sites? I've always thought of IGN as Infotainment-Geared News, GameSpot fucked it up permanently with Gerstmanngate, and 1up is pretty much finished now, per the back-to-back departures of Jeff Green and Shawn Elliott (the tail end of an employee exodus started over a year ago).

I think the blogs are inherently too unreliable (if not often cheekily entertaining), and the major sites are such huge targets for publisher pressure that they simply have to be questioned with every (p)review. Hell, you can't even trust your fellow posters, as they're often impossibly predisposed by their own childish, petty biases...or are some sort of plant. It may not be alone in this phenomenon, but as gaming gets bigger and more mainstream, its media becomes less credible. It's pretty fucked up, but there ain't enough of 'us' to counter the consumption of unchecked bullshit by the overeager masses.

The only workaround I can see is what I've done for years; take everything from CAG to GameRankings and synthesize a 'consensus' to make educated guesses from.

P.S. And don't think that 'real' magazines and sites are going to become the credible sources. The latest Time gave The Force Unleashed an "A". Even Maxim questions if they actually played it.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']We're still talking about what some mildly-relevant-at-best blog cried and moaned about?

When the hell did CAG become Bill O'Reilly?[/quote]

CAG is more like Neal Boortz IMO.
 
And doesn't a "journalist" generally go right to the source and question them before making a statement? Look at television journalists who travel to other countries, sometimes in the middle of actual battlefields to get to the bottom of a situation. Now are you telling me that the blogger couldn't figure out for his/herself that there was some type of contest going on just by looking at posts made by other people? That's all they really had to do, it's not dangerous or anything...

It's just a little ridiculous that they had to go right on ahead and post this as soon as they could without any attempt to verify it.
 
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[quote name='mykevermin']Ow. I was thinking HuffPo, but you know, my ideology won't let me admit to there being whining crybabies on the left. ;)[/quote]

:lol:
 
This is all very silly that they're trying to blame CAG for their lack of credibility. This is sort of like OJ Simpson spotting Charles Manson in the back of the court room and saying, "Charles Manson is responsible for so many deaths."
 
I hate news sites that call themselves blogs. Fair use to other people's stories has gotten out of hand. I just want a news site that reports things.

Most(if not all) people that go to Kotaku.com, go there for NEWS, not ANALYSIS.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Just a heads up, not only will we be discussing this in depth on Monday's CAGcast, but I've also written up an article (which will also be posted on Monday) about how I feel about the situation.[/quote]


Hey Cheapy, have you considered/would you consider trying to get Brian Crecente on the show next week to talk about what happened?
 
[quote name='BlueSwim']Hey Cheapy, have you considered/would you consider trying to get Brian Crecente on the show next week to talk about what happened?[/QUOTE]

Is it really that deep? :whistle2:s
 
[quote name='lilboo']Is it really that deep? :whistle2:s[/quote]


It's been a while since the show had a real guest/interview.
 
Why is this turning out to be such a big deal?
If he shows up on the CAGCast to discuss this, then I was right: He is just acting like a titty just for the attention.
 
It's becoming a thing because of the way Crecente reacted, plain and simple. Engadget just said 'it was a fake' and that was the end of it. Crecente whimpered like a little girl and pointed the finger at CAG instead of just fessing up to getting hosed. What he doesn't seem to understand is that CAG is a video game deal website and Cheapy only posts stuff to the front page that has been confirmed.
 
[quote name='lilboo']Is it really that deep? :whistle2:s[/quote]

I was thinking about how entertaining the show that resulted from his appearence would be. What happened was a pretty big deal judging by all the comments the original Kotaku post got, not to mention a several page thread both here and over on GAF.
 
[quote name='muteprophet2000']this is rich. this weeks cag cast is going to be soo good[/quote]


I have it downloaded on iTunes. I'll have to listen to it later today. I am really interested to hear Cheapy and Wombat's thoughts on the matter. :D
 
[quote name='Wombat']there is no way our show can live up to expectaion, prepare to be dissappointed, kinda like Fable 2[/quote]

To be fair, that'd be impossible. I've noticed these boards really thrive on conflict against other communities. If it doesn't meet our expectations, it's our own fault blowing this out of proportion. I'm sure both parties would like to move on from this, but both their respective communities are reluctant to let that happen.
 
[quote name='DQT']To be fair, that'd be impossible. I've noticed these boards really thrive on conflict against other communities. If it doesn't meet our expectations, it's our own fault blowing this out of proportion. I'm sure both parties would like to move on from this, but both their respective communities are reluctant to let that happen.[/quote]


Nothing like promotion via controversy, eh?
 
:lol: I totally missed out on this over the weekend so I've been catching up after listening to the CAGcast. The timeliness of the prank, the result and this thread definitely bring teh funny. I am however saddened by the lack of 'Kotaku / pwned' pics I thought I was sure to find in here.

I only check Kotaku occasionally but probably won't anymore. Their site is one giant eye-sore anyway.
 
Meh, he posted that himself. I wonder if he is trying to capitalize on being the new "heel" of Internet gaming blogdom? Either way, it's clear he could give two shits about what goes on his site as long as people keep going there.

I think it'd benefit both CAG and Kotaku to have some kind of Internetz feud. Cheapy and Brian should both go on each other's podcasts and just cut promos on each other for a few weeks and then have the gaming-blog equivalent of Wrestlemania. They should make the event PPV -- win win for everyone!
 
Ok would someone Adam Sessler be called out like this if he went off on the game blogs? Probably not. The fact of the matter is Crecente felt like CAG is a easy target. I MEAN COME ON!! CAG IS NOT A RUMORS site. Seriously, you have to have a few sources within Microsoft and such when you are someone supposedly as big as Mr. Shit don't stink Crecente. Can't you email someone for at least something of a confirmation??
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Gotta laugh at the part at the end where he gets all super serious and talks about CAG no longer having credibility. Dude's just pissed that he fell for it and was proof of the point being made in the first place. Blogs will post anything even remotely plausible with very little/no research done to support it.

As I said in the comments of their post, their little chest-puffing statement at the end is laughable. Pretending they wouldn't post major news from this site is a joke. If some CAG posted some (at least semi-credible) news about the Wii dropping to $200 (or whatever), you can bet your ass Kotaku would put it on their site immediately, as would pretty much every other popular gaming blog.[/quote]

But Kane, the Wii is dropping to $199 in November. Didn't you get the secret CAG news team memo?
 
[quote name='chwisch87']Ok would someone Adam Sessler be called out like this if he went off on the game blogs? Probably not. The fact of the matter is Crecente felt like CAG is a easy target. I MEAN COME ON!! CAG IS NOT A RUMORS site. Seriously, you have to have a few sources within Microsoft and such when you are someone supposedly as big as Mr. Shit don't stink Crecente. Can't you email someone for at least something of a confirmation??[/quote]

Sessler actually went off on the blogs on his video podcast, Sessler's Soapbox, right before this whole mess started because no one called G4 to verify the 360 relaunch rumor.
 
BTW, Kotaku just reported that Amazon is giving away a 1600 Point Card when you purchase RockBand2.

"Here's a deal for you, bargain shoppers. If you're in the market for Rock Band 2 on Xbox 360, you could do worse than buy the game from Amazon, because the online retailer is giving away MS points with every purchase of the game. 1600 MS points, to be precise, which you'll get if you order the game before October 4, a none too shabby amount that should have you bickering with friends and loved ones over which DLC to buy in no time."

No credit given to CAG nor is this really news. Not only that it was reported a few days later then originally announced. Someone is just looking to raise their post count.
 
This is proof that gaming blogs, journalism is a joke, any rumor can get posted for hits and views, but going with a story in a forum(not on front pg) without doing research is sad, and the brian Cresente guy reminds me of the guy in high school who wanted to hang out with the cool kids, but instead ending up holding his wang by his pc on weekends. maybe you should cut that awful long hair of yours, so you can see that Cheapy's and wombats point were proven, do your fact checks 1st and maybe your pants and credibity wont be caught by your ankles!
 
[quote name='Wombat']there is no way our show can live up to expectaion, prepare to be dissappointed, kinda like Fable 2[/quote]

Nooooooooooo! Don't say that!
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I can see why Brian hates Cheapy and CAG, which promotes baldness all over the site and he's biased against baldness.[/quote]

No, that's Joystiq. With all the talk of the fabled "Laser Comb".
 
About 5 minutes into this podcast video discussion thing they kind of take another dig not directly at CAG, but rumors who may not come from credible sources. But the way he says it you kind of get the feeling where it's directed.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']ehh is hive mind really that rough a diss.[/QUOTE]

I just don't see the need to explain how Cheapy makes money, when Crecente doesn't do that for the other sites listed.
 
[quote name='AlohaMars2']I hate to be a necro poster but I didn't want to make another thread and thought that this little shot from Kotaku today might interest people.

http://kotaku.com/5155358/get-a-good-deal-on-games[/quote]

I disagree...It's just a summary of the mention of the WSJ article.


Of course, there's always old-fashioned bargain-hunting. Several years ago, David Abrams became obsessed with finding bargains online, often buying cheap electronics, such as fax machines, simply because they were inexpensive. An avid videogame player, Mr. Abrams launched www.cheapassgamer.com to help other parsimonious consumers find deals from retailers. Now residing in Tokyo, the former New Yorker is adding a videogame-deals search engine to streamline the process. The site also has an avid community of more than 200,000 users who offer tips about finding the best deals online. The site makes money through a commission collected from online retailers for referral sales, he says.


Dane Galden, 42, checked out Mr. Abrams's Web site over the holidays and learned that the new Electronic Arts Inc. puzzle game Boom Blox would be available at Target for less than half of its retail price. After buying the last two copies from the store, the Columbus, Ohio, product-development consultant then took the Target circular to a different retailer to "price match" and received the lower price, a technique he learned on CAG. He also checks the site for sales throughout the year and hoards discounted products for his son's birthday and Christmas presents. "I probably spend less money now overall than I used to, but I get more stuff," he says.
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[quote name='zewone']I just don't see the need to explain how Cheapy makes money, when Crecente doesn't do that for the other sites listed.[/quote]

GameStop: The granddaddy of the used games business with more than 6,100 stores world wide.
Switch Games: A free website for online trading of consoles and games with a social network for game trade matchmaking.
Goozex: An online trading site for gamers that uses a special point system.
GameFly: The $16 a month video game rental service that also offers used game sales.
GameTap: Well-known download service for older PC games.
Good Old Games: Another download service for PC games, this one from CD Projekt.
Cheap Ass Gamer: Hive mind for video gaming deals world wide, makes it's money through a commission collected from online retailers for referral sales.




also it says it specifically in the article
 
I've read it a few times, and I can't but help feel as though it was a bit of a shot at CAG. Just the context, and referencing of every other store and matching it to waht was said about CAG...well...
 
[quote name='zewone']I just don't see the need to explain how Cheapy makes money, when Crecente doesn't do that for the other sites listed.[/quote]

[quote name='Z(+)DIAC']I've read it a few times, and I can't but help feel as though it was a bit of a shot at CAG. Just the context, and referencing of every other store and matching it to waht was said about CAG...well...[/quote]


It isn't like its that hard to figure out how Cheapy makes money. To call that taking a shot at CAG is a stretch.
 
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