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hey guys im doing an analysis on the hd format war for my a class. anyone know some good places where i could get information on how it can affect the consumer, movie industry, etc??
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[quote name='Sarang01']You realize using TrueHD MIGHT make it possible on 360's stuff right? I mean SACD is Lossless and takes up ONE cd.
Also dallow my issue is most of the time they'll just go over the DVD mark if this is the case. Otherwise if it's utilized I just see BD-50's loaded with CGI movies. I'd like to see another case scenario, much higher quality textures being used instead. That's not asking too much is it? In a souped up version using the extra space, I mean REALLY using it.[/QUOTE]
It is already really being used. The thing is, the advantage is purely for developers, not consumers. The extra space gives developers more room to breathe, but it doesn't automatically mean they are going to churn out extra content. It just means they will be a little more efficient with development.
Also dallow my issue is most of the time they'll just go over the DVD mark if this is the case. Otherwise if it's utilized I just see BD-50's loaded with CGI movies. I'd like to see another case scenario, much higher quality textures being used instead. That's not asking too much is it? In a souped up version using the extra space, I mean REALLY using it.[/QUOTE]
It is already really being used. The thing is, the advantage is purely for developers, not consumers. The extra space gives developers more room to breathe, but it doesn't automatically mean they are going to churn out extra content. It just means they will be a little more efficient with development.
[quote name='dallow']
BD gives them room to breath. I don't need to them fill up all 50GB, or even 25GB, I just want devs to have the freedom do what they want without worrying about space and compression techniques.[/QUOTE]
I see it as giving devs extra space to be lazy. No need to compress anything etc.
Its not a bad thing, but it just encourages laziness all around. A normal DVD is just fine for this generation and so far only 2 out of how many 360 games needed additional discs? Have you see Gears of War? That didn't need two discs (Waiting for the 'well MS forces you to download the other stuff' comments).
Oh, Dallow. I'm going to pick up that Onkyo system that was suggested. The only thing I am worried about is all the damn excess wires that will be all around my apartment. Is there a way to make any speakers wireless? Ive seen adapters before (Sony and Panasonic)....just not sure how that will work if I use a few speakers provided by Onkyo and then a set thats made by a different brad. Again, I am really new to the world of audio so I don't know a whole lot on it.
BD gives them room to breath. I don't need to them fill up all 50GB, or even 25GB, I just want devs to have the freedom do what they want without worrying about space and compression techniques.[/QUOTE]
I see it as giving devs extra space to be lazy. No need to compress anything etc.
Its not a bad thing, but it just encourages laziness all around. A normal DVD is just fine for this generation and so far only 2 out of how many 360 games needed additional discs? Have you see Gears of War? That didn't need two discs (Waiting for the 'well MS forces you to download the other stuff' comments).
Oh, Dallow. I'm going to pick up that Onkyo system that was suggested. The only thing I am worried about is all the damn excess wires that will be all around my apartment. Is there a way to make any speakers wireless? Ive seen adapters before (Sony and Panasonic)....just not sure how that will work if I use a few speakers provided by Onkyo and then a set thats made by a different brad. Again, I am really new to the world of audio so I don't know a whole lot on it.
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Those aren't out for two more weeks (save for Corpses/Rejects). Where's you come by them?
And, we thank you for your continued support of the Blu-Ray format. 28 and counting now?
And, we thank you for your continued support of the Blu-Ray format. 28 and counting now?
[quote name='mykevermin']Those aren't out for two more weeks (save for Corpses/Rejects). Where's you come by them?
And, we thank you for your continued support of the Blu-Ray format. 28 and counting now?[/QUOTE]
DVDPacific is notorious for shipping early. I would have had Knocked Up but I'll wait and use my Amazon giftcard on it.
You're welcome. As I stated many times, I support both formats but prefer HD DVD.
And, we thank you for your continued support of the Blu-Ray format. 28 and counting now?[/QUOTE]
DVDPacific is notorious for shipping early. I would have had Knocked Up but I'll wait and use my Amazon giftcard on it.
You're welcome. As I stated many times, I support both formats but prefer HD DVD.
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looks like gizmo is getting tempted by the dark side
[quote name='dpatel']Weren't there two games that also had to sacrifice some content due to the limitations of DVD? I'm not saying Blu-ray is needed, and I don't even think it is worth the extra cost, but I definitely do think it is more beneficial than simple eliminating the need for consumers to switch discs. Problem is, pretty much all the benefits are on the developer end, so, we, the consumers, don't really get to see any real direct advantages even though we do pay more for it.[/QUOTE]
Well of course it's always nicer for the developer to have extra room but until games like iD's RAGE become the standard it won't be really necessary for next-gen media to be in consoles.
Lucky for us that seems to be shaping up just in time for the next set of consoles.
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']If switching discs isn't a big deal why aren't we still using CD's?......[/QUOTE]
Because we were getting to the point where it was 6/7 CDs just for a game, and it was happening alot.
We currently have two games on Xbox 360 that use more than one disc and that's because of them using insane amounts of cutscenes.
Like I said many times before, DVD should be just fine until the next generation of consoles.
[quote name='GizmoGC']Lookie what I got today...
Its going to be an AWESOME weekend! Can't wait to watch Dawn and Day in HD and check out the new 'pop-up Trivia' as not a single review has mentioned how it is.[/QUOTE]
I
ing hate you so much right now. You will report back in 2400 hours and deliver me a status report solder. 
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Well of course it's always nicer for the developer to have extra room but until games like iD's RAGE become the standard it won't be really necessary for next-gen media to be in consoles.
Lucky for us that seems to be shaping up just in time for the next set of consoles.
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']If switching discs isn't a big deal why aren't we still using CD's?......[/QUOTE]
Because we were getting to the point where it was 6/7 CDs just for a game, and it was happening alot.
We currently have two games on Xbox 360 that use more than one disc and that's because of them using insane amounts of cutscenes.
Like I said many times before, DVD should be just fine until the next generation of consoles.
[quote name='GizmoGC']Lookie what I got today...
Its going to be an AWESOME weekend! Can't wait to watch Dawn and Day in HD and check out the new 'pop-up Trivia' as not a single review has mentioned how it is.[/QUOTE]
I
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Just thread that wire around the corners of your living room gizmo.
Only 1 wire of mine is visible, and I didn't really try that much to hide them.
Just made sure the went around corners, and behind furniture.
They do make flat, paintable speaker cable, and tube/covers to help, but I don't have a need for it.
I HIGHLY recommend NOT using any wireless speakers at all.
It's nasty.
Only 1 wire of mine is visible, and I didn't really try that much to hide them.
Just made sure the went around corners, and behind furniture.
They do make flat, paintable speaker cable, and tube/covers to help, but I don't have a need for it.
I HIGHLY recommend NOT using any wireless speakers at all.
It's nasty.
[quote name='Sporadic']Well of course it's always nicer for the developer to have extra room but until games like iD's RAGE become the standard it won't be really necessary for next-gen media to be in consoles.
Lucky for us that seems to be shaping up just in time for the next set of consoles.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone is saying it is necessary, nor that it is worth the extra price, just that it does have benefits other than not having to switch discs every 10-20 hours in a game.
Lucky for us that seems to be shaping up just in time for the next set of consoles.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone is saying it is necessary, nor that it is worth the extra price, just that it does have benefits other than not having to switch discs every 10-20 hours in a game.
Geko, correct me if I'm wrong, but is this now the first and only player out there right now that can send a DTS-HD MA signal?
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDownDetail.do?group=&type=&subtype=&model_nm=BD-P1400&mType=FM&dType=D&cttID=1634348&prd_ia_cd=
Woo-hoo!
Firmware update for the Samsung BD-P1400 has enabled bitstream transport via HDMI for DD+, TrueHD, DTS-HD, and DTS-HD MA.
Now when you'll see the TrueHD (and DTS-HD MA) logo on your receiver rather than PCM!
I have new hope for a similar FW update for PS3.
And then I'll be able to hear the lossless tracks on those damn Fox titles!
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDownDetail.do?group=&type=&subtype=&model_nm=BD-P1400&mType=FM&dType=D&cttID=1634348&prd_ia_cd=
Woo-hoo!
Firmware update for the Samsung BD-P1400 has enabled bitstream transport via HDMI for DD+, TrueHD, DTS-HD, and DTS-HD MA.
Now when you'll see the TrueHD (and DTS-HD MA) logo on your receiver rather than PCM!
I have new hope for a similar FW update for PS3.
And then I'll be able to hear the lossless tracks on those damn Fox titles!
[quote name='dallow']Two points!
1. Frys has a 6ft HDMI cable on sale for $8.88.
They're getting there finally.
2. Evil Dead II transfer on BD sucks and comes from the same source as the Book of The Dead edition.
I'll stick to my THX edition.
[/QUOTE]
1. Sweet! Maybe Sony can actually include them with their $500-$600 PS3 systems, eh?
2. I have that DVD edition too. The Blu-ray is much nicer. People are getting WAY to picky with releases now. If the transfer is not King Kong/POTC quality then its 'crap'.
1. Frys has a 6ft HDMI cable on sale for $8.88.
They're getting there finally.
2. Evil Dead II transfer on BD sucks and comes from the same source as the Book of The Dead edition.
I'll stick to my THX edition.
1. Sweet! Maybe Sony can actually include them with their $500-$600 PS3 systems, eh?
2. I have that DVD edition too. The Blu-ray is much nicer. People are getting WAY to picky with releases now. If the transfer is not King Kong/POTC quality then its 'crap'.
[quote name='GizmoGC']1. Sweet! Maybe Sony can actually include them with their $500-$600 PS3 systems, eh?
2. I have that DVD edition too. The Blu-ray is much nicer. People are getting WAY to picky with releases now. If the transfer is not King Kong/POTC quality then its 'crap'.[/quote]1. Maybe they can use the same HDMI cables that come with the A2.
2. I hope so. I'll rent it first and try.
EDIT:
Don't know about you, but I see a big difference between this source:
THX edition
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8346/vlcsnap182395wf9.jpg
and this one
Book of the Dead edition (same source as new BD)
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7434/vlcsnap190728ey9.jpg
2. I have that DVD edition too. The Blu-ray is much nicer. People are getting WAY to picky with releases now. If the transfer is not King Kong/POTC quality then its 'crap'.[/quote]1. Maybe they can use the same HDMI cables that come with the A2.
2. I hope so. I'll rent it first and try.
EDIT:
Don't know about you, but I see a big difference between this source:
THX edition
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8346/vlcsnap182395wf9.jpg
and this one
Book of the Dead edition (same source as new BD)
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7434/vlcsnap190728ey9.jpg
[quote name='dallow']1. Maybe they can use the same HDMI cables that come with the A2.
2. I hope so. I'll rent it first and try.
EDIT:
Don't know about you, but I see a big difference between this source:
THX edition
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8346/vlcsnap182395wf9.jpg
and this one
Book of the Dead edition (same source as new BD)
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7434/vlcsnap190728ey9.jpg[/QUOTE]
If its the same source, then all they are doing is just putting the DVD version on a Blu-ray disc? They must be cleaning it up to some extent.
2. I hope so. I'll rent it first and try.
EDIT:
Don't know about you, but I see a big difference between this source:
THX edition
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8346/vlcsnap182395wf9.jpg
and this one
Book of the Dead edition (same source as new BD)
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7434/vlcsnap190728ey9.jpg[/QUOTE]
If its the same source, then all they are doing is just putting the DVD version on a Blu-ray disc? They must be cleaning it up to some extent.
[quote name='GizmoGC']If its the same source, then all they are doing is just putting the DVD version on a Blu-ray disc? They must be cleaning it up to some extent.[/quote]It's a cleaned up, nicer version of the uglier source.
That's the problem.
Still looks good, but could have looked better if they used the cleaner source.
That's the problem.
Still looks good, but could have looked better if they used the cleaner source.
[quote name='dallow']Geko, correct me if I'm wrong, but is this now the first and only player out there right now that can send a DTS-HD MA signal?
[/quote]
According to AVS you're quite correct. I would suspect Samsung's BD-P2400 would also do it when it becomes available, likewise the Toshiba HD-A35 is supposed to have that capability when it hits the market. There is supposed to be a firmware upgrade to add that feature to the HD-XA2, but since theyed up the 24p upgrade, I won't hold my breath for too long....
[/quote]
According to AVS you're quite correct. I would suspect Samsung's BD-P2400 would also do it when it becomes available, likewise the Toshiba HD-A35 is supposed to have that capability when it hits the market. There is supposed to be a firmware upgrade to add that feature to the HD-XA2, but since they
ed up the 24p upgrade, I won't hold my breath for too long....dallow,
My buddy is giving me his old Sony DDW790 Receiver and 5 speakers...
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony...74935/catOid/-13325/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
Will this be able to use some of HD DVD/Blu-ray's audio specs like PCM, TrueHD etc.? Do the players themselves decode these? I will be connecting both HD/BR through Optical cables.
My buddy is giving me his old Sony DDW790 Receiver and 5 speakers...
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony...74935/catOid/-13325/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
Will this be able to use some of HD DVD/Blu-ray's audio specs like PCM, TrueHD etc.? Do the players themselves decode these? I will be connecting both HD/BR through Optical cables.
[quote name='GizmoGC']dallow,
My buddy is giving me his old Sony DDW790 Receiver and 5 speakers...
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony-Component-Home-Theater-System-HT-DDW790/sem/rpsm/oid/174935/catOid/-13325/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
Will this be able to use some of HD DVD/Blu-ray's audio specs like PCM, TrueHD etc.? Do the players themselves decode these? I will be connecting both HD/BR through Optical cables.[/quote]Hey, I used to have that setup. It was my surround setup.
There's no HDMI and is an audio only receiver.
So right off the bat, no lossless, and only connects for sound, no video inputs.
In order for PCM/TrueHD/DTS-HD MA, you need HDMI or the player needs 6 analog outs.
For an apartment, it's great though!
It can play Dolby Digital and DTS, has only 1 optical in and one digital coax. And a decent number of audio line-ins.
Things will only get cheaper, and I know that free setup can hold you over for a while, it did for me.
My buddy is giving me his old Sony DDW790 Receiver and 5 speakers...
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony-Component-Home-Theater-System-HT-DDW790/sem/rpsm/oid/174935/catOid/-13325/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
Will this be able to use some of HD DVD/Blu-ray's audio specs like PCM, TrueHD etc.? Do the players themselves decode these? I will be connecting both HD/BR through Optical cables.[/quote]Hey, I used to have that setup. It was my surround setup.
There's no HDMI and is an audio only receiver.
So right off the bat, no lossless, and only connects for sound, no video inputs.
In order for PCM/TrueHD/DTS-HD MA, you need HDMI or the player needs 6 analog outs.
For an apartment, it's great though!
It can play Dolby Digital and DTS, has only 1 optical in and one digital coax. And a decent number of audio line-ins.
Things will only get cheaper, and I know that free setup can hold you over for a while, it did for me.
[quote name='dallow']Hey, I used to have that setup. It was my surround setup.
There's no HDMI and is an audio only receiver.
So right off the bat, no lossless, and only connects for sound, no video inputs.
In order for PCM/TrueHD/DTS-HD MA, you need HDMI or the player needs 6 analog outs.
For an apartment, it's great though!
It can play Dolby Digital and DTS, has only 1 optical in and one digital coax. And a decent number of audio line-ins.
Things will only get cheaper, and I know that free setup can hold you over for a while, it did for me.[/QUOTE]
I figured it would be decent, I would just like to take advantage of HD/BR audio as much as possible. How was it sound wise? I don't want to crank it up to the max just to hear something and piss off all my neighbors, lol. He is also giving me two stands for the back speakers.
I'll be getting the Onkyo as soon as I move into my Condo as its an isolated unit. I'll be able to run wires a hell of alot easier as well.
Edit: Whats Digital Coaxial? I know what Optical is, but not sure exactly what Digital Coaxial is (unless it goes by a different names). The cables seem to be the same thing as Optical.
There's no HDMI and is an audio only receiver.
So right off the bat, no lossless, and only connects for sound, no video inputs.
In order for PCM/TrueHD/DTS-HD MA, you need HDMI or the player needs 6 analog outs.
For an apartment, it's great though!
It can play Dolby Digital and DTS, has only 1 optical in and one digital coax. And a decent number of audio line-ins.
Things will only get cheaper, and I know that free setup can hold you over for a while, it did for me.[/QUOTE]
I figured it would be decent, I would just like to take advantage of HD/BR audio as much as possible. How was it sound wise? I don't want to crank it up to the max just to hear something and piss off all my neighbors, lol. He is also giving me two stands for the back speakers.
I'll be getting the Onkyo as soon as I move into my Condo as its an isolated unit. I'll be able to run wires a hell of alot easier as well.
Edit: Whats Digital Coaxial? I know what Optical is, but not sure exactly what Digital Coaxial is (unless it goes by a different names). The cables seem to be the same thing as Optical.
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[quote name='GizmoGC']Don't try to use logic on them. They are happy with paying an extra $200-$300 just to NOT get up every 10-15 hours and put a disc in. But hey, at least they have some quality games available to them. Remember when they were claiming that Lair, Heavenly Sword and Warhawk would boost PS3 sales and help them become #1 again? Guess THAT didn't happen :lol:[/quote]
When PS3 overtakes 360, dont try to go back and say, "OH I always thought PS3 was gonna be first!"
I don't know about you, but I thought the 360 fans were the ones boasting that their console had Saints Row and Dead Rising on its first year of being out. Im more impressed with Heavenly Sword and Warhawk than those two.
When PS3 overtakes 360, dont try to go back and say, "OH I always thought PS3 was gonna be first!"
I don't know about you, but I thought the 360 fans were the ones boasting that their console had Saints Row and Dead Rising on its first year of being out. Im more impressed with Heavenly Sword and Warhawk than those two.
[quote name='GizmoGC']I figured it would be decent, I would just like to take advantage of HD/BR audio as much as possible. How was it sound wise? I don't want to crank it up to the max just to hear something and piss off all my neighbors, lol. He is also giving me two stands for the back speakers.
I'll be getting the Onkyo as soon as I move into my Condo as its an isolated unit. I'll be able to run wires a hell of alot easier as well.
Edit: Whats Digital Coaxial? I know what Optical is, but not sure exactly what Digital Coaxial is (unless it goes by a different names). The cables seem to be the same thing as Optical.[/quote]It only gets fuzzy when you really crank it up.
But at normal and low volumes, it's perfect for small places.
Haha, two rears stands were the first thing I bought for it.
I did mount them to the wall originally but in my new apartment, that wouldn't work.
Go for it.
Optical is of course the little light thingy.
Digital coax looks just like a composite input, standard little plug, execept it's digital and can carry DD and DTS 5.1.
I'll be getting the Onkyo as soon as I move into my Condo as its an isolated unit. I'll be able to run wires a hell of alot easier as well.
Edit: Whats Digital Coaxial? I know what Optical is, but not sure exactly what Digital Coaxial is (unless it goes by a different names). The cables seem to be the same thing as Optical.[/quote]It only gets fuzzy when you really crank it up.
But at normal and low volumes, it's perfect for small places.
Haha, two rears stands were the first thing I bought for it.
I did mount them to the wall originally but in my new apartment, that wouldn't work.
Go for it.
Optical is of course the little light thingy.
Digital coax looks just like a composite input, standard little plug, execept it's digital and can carry DD and DTS 5.1.
[quote name='dallow']It only gets fuzzy when you really crank it up.
But at normal and low volumes, it's perfect for small places.
Haha, two rears stands were the first thing I bought for it.
I did mount them to the wall originally but in my new apartment, that wouldn't work.
Go for it.
Optical is of course the little light thingy.
Digital coax looks just like a composite input, standard little plug, execept it's digital and can carry DD and DTS 5.1.[/QUOTE]
Ok, cool, thanks for the help! Hopefully i'll get this from him soon.
But at normal and low volumes, it's perfect for small places.
Haha, two rears stands were the first thing I bought for it.
I did mount them to the wall originally but in my new apartment, that wouldn't work.
Go for it.
Optical is of course the little light thingy.
Digital coax looks just like a composite input, standard little plug, execept it's digital and can carry DD and DTS 5.1.[/QUOTE]
Ok, cool, thanks for the help! Hopefully i'll get this from him soon.
Just watched Halloween...
Pretty decent transfer. Ive heard its the best of the 4 (followed by Day, Dawn, and then Evil Dead II). While there was grain in some scenes, I really can't fault a near 30 year old film. There are a few shots in the movie where the picture is so clean and crisp its like watching a recent release (Annie in the car).
Up next....Day of the Dead.
Pretty decent transfer. Ive heard its the best of the 4 (followed by Day, Dawn, and then Evil Dead II). While there was grain in some scenes, I really can't fault a near 30 year old film. There are a few shots in the movie where the picture is so clean and crisp its like watching a recent release (Annie in the car).
Up next....Day of the Dead.
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Purchased 3 new movies today:
Prestige
Apocolypto
Unforgiven
I had to get Apocolypto because it is the best Bluray transfer ive seen. I got Unforgiven for free.
Prestige
Apocolypto
Unforgiven
I had to get Apocolypto because it is the best Bluray transfer ive seen. I got Unforgiven for free.
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Good to hear about Halloween. I've been in the mood for good horror movies for awhile now; it took a lot to walk out of WM the other day without any Friday the 13th movies ($5 each on DVD). But, since I'm trying to trim down my movie collection, I had to.
Shame about Sleepy Hollow's PQ (watched it yesterday). I know it's Tim Burton, but if it were any more grainy, it would have become Stargate (*rimshot*).
Shame about Sleepy Hollow's PQ (watched it yesterday). I know it's Tim Burton, but if it were any more grainy, it would have become Stargate (*rimshot*).
[quote name='GizmoGC']dallow,
Got the Sony 790....
When you had it, what setting did you have the PS3 set for? There seems to be ton, and I can even select PCM and hear audio through it.
Watching Day of the Dead now...its awesome![/quote]As fate would have it, I'm back to using the very same receiver!!
My DG1000 crapped out (granted, I bought it from an uncle, and he told me it had some problems, but it was just fine for 2 months or so!)
I'll be buying probably the Onkyo 605 as I don't need a powerhouse.
Anywho, I think you HAVE to use Video 2 (which I renamed PS3) and use optical.
Set your PS3 to "bitstream" under audio out settings, and you're set.
You can hear PCM from the BD discs, but it's only 2.0 PCM, and the other channels are lost. You lose all the surround effects.
Some people like listening to it that way, but I'd just go with the DD or DTS track.
Let me know if you have problems.
Got the Sony 790....
When you had it, what setting did you have the PS3 set for? There seems to be ton, and I can even select PCM and hear audio through it.
Watching Day of the Dead now...its awesome![/quote]As fate would have it, I'm back to using the very same receiver!!
My DG1000 crapped out (granted, I bought it from an uncle, and he told me it had some problems, but it was just fine for 2 months or so!)
I'll be buying probably the Onkyo 605 as I don't need a powerhouse.
Anywho, I think you HAVE to use Video 2 (which I renamed PS3) and use optical.
Set your PS3 to "bitstream" under audio out settings, and you're set.
You can hear PCM from the BD discs, but it's only 2.0 PCM, and the other channels are lost. You lose all the surround effects.
Some people like listening to it that way, but I'd just go with the DD or DTS track.
Let me know if you have problems.
[quote name='dallow']As fate would have it, I'm back to using the very same receiver!!
My DG1000 crapped out (granted, I bought it from an uncle, and he told me it had some problems, but it was just fine for 2 months or so!)
I'll be buying probably the Onkyo 605 as I don't need a powerhouse.
Anywho, I think you HAVE to use Video 2 (which I renamed PS3) and use optical.
Set your PS3 to "bitstream" under audio out settings, and you're set.
You can hear PCM from the BD discs, but it's only 2.0 PCM, and the other channels are lost. You lose all the surround effects.
Some people like listening to it that way, but I'd just go with the DD or DTS track.
Let me know if you have problems.[/QUOTE]
Ok, I had it running as 'Video 2' last night during Day of the Dead. My friend did not give me the microphone or the manual...so I'm guessing at all of this. I will verify my PS3 outputs at DD or FTS (is either one better?)
My DG1000 crapped out (granted, I bought it from an uncle, and he told me it had some problems, but it was just fine for 2 months or so!)
I'll be buying probably the Onkyo 605 as I don't need a powerhouse.
Anywho, I think you HAVE to use Video 2 (which I renamed PS3) and use optical.
Set your PS3 to "bitstream" under audio out settings, and you're set.
You can hear PCM from the BD discs, but it's only 2.0 PCM, and the other channels are lost. You lose all the surround effects.
Some people like listening to it that way, but I'd just go with the DD or DTS track.
Let me know if you have problems.[/QUOTE]
Ok, I had it running as 'Video 2' last night during Day of the Dead. My friend did not give me the microphone or the manual...so I'm guessing at all of this. I will verify my PS3 outputs at DD or FTS (is either one better?)
I think you can download the manual online.
DTS is supposed to be better than DD.
It has a higher bitrate, etc, but it's hard to hear the difference sometimes unless you have quality speakers.
It's lossy in any case, but if you have the option. Go with DTS.
Hell of a lot better than TV speakers isn't it?
DTS is supposed to be better than DD.
It has a higher bitrate, etc, but it's hard to hear the difference sometimes unless you have quality speakers.
It's lossy in any case, but if you have the option. Go with DTS.
Hell of a lot better than TV speakers isn't it?
[quote name='dallow']I think you can download the manual online.
DTS is supposed to be better than DD.
It has a higher bitrate, etc, but it's hard to hear the difference sometimes unless you have quality speakers.
It's lossy in any case, but if you have the option. Go with DTS.
Hell of a lot better than TV speakers isn't it?[/QUOTE]
You know, it was kinda 'eh'. Maybe it was the movie, or maybe the fact that the volume was only at 45, but the back speakers only randomly made noises I could hear (though when I put my ear to them I heard everything). I'll have a better test shortly once the neighbors leave, lol.
DTS is supposed to be better than DD.
It has a higher bitrate, etc, but it's hard to hear the difference sometimes unless you have quality speakers.
It's lossy in any case, but if you have the option. Go with DTS.
Hell of a lot better than TV speakers isn't it?[/QUOTE]
You know, it was kinda 'eh'. Maybe it was the movie, or maybe the fact that the volume was only at 45, but the back speakers only randomly made noises I could hear (though when I put my ear to them I heard everything). I'll have a better test shortly once the neighbors leave, lol.
True.
It's an old movie anyway and not designed for surround when created.
Gotta watch something more current.
In older movies, they remix the track and usually the surround speakers are just subtle ambient noises.
Also, gonna have to calibrate the speakers to get all their levels at proper levels.
Boost the surrounds if you can't hear them at all from where you sit.
It's an old movie anyway and not designed for surround when created.
Gotta watch something more current.
In older movies, they remix the track and usually the surround speakers are just subtle ambient noises.
Also, gonna have to calibrate the speakers to get all their levels at proper levels.
Boost the surrounds if you can't hear them at all from where you sit.
[quote name='dallow']True.
It's an old movie anyway and not designed for surround when created.
Gotta watch something more current.
In older movies, they remix the track and usually the surround speakers are just subtle ambient noises.
Also, gonna have to calibrate the speakers to get all their levels at proper levels.
Boost the surrounds if you can't hear them at all from where you sit.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to watch a more recent movie today and see how it sounds.
It's an old movie anyway and not designed for surround when created.
Gotta watch something more current.
In older movies, they remix the track and usually the surround speakers are just subtle ambient noises.
Also, gonna have to calibrate the speakers to get all their levels at proper levels.
Boost the surrounds if you can't hear them at all from where you sit.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to watch a more recent movie today and see how it sounds.
Nice looking remote for the PS3.
IR, not BT.
Didn't know where else to post it.
I just thought it looked neat.
http://gear.ign.com/articles/821/821700p1.html
IR, not BT.
Didn't know where else to post it.
I just thought it looked neat.
http://gear.ign.com/articles/821/821700p1.html
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i put this in the hd thread but i wanted to see what everyone else thinks of this tv and if its worth the upgrade coming from a 37in olevia
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16889101097
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16889101097
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Aquos are very good, but 37-42" is not worth the $800 or so (after getting rid of your old tv, tax, service plan, etc.). Even with the free HTIB offer (not that I know if that's even a good one or not).
If you really feel the need to upgrade, do so on BF. Besides you have a 360 HD DVD player, making 1080p irrelevant on that end
lol. What's the hurry?
If you really feel the need to upgrade, do so on BF. Besides you have a 360 HD DVD player, making 1080p irrelevant on that end
lol. What's the hurry?
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[quote name='guyver2077']i put this in the hd thread but i wanted to see what everyone else thinks of this tv and if its worth the upgrade coming from a 37in olevia
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16889101097[/quote]
they have great color reproduction/contrast & dark blacklevels.
But, they're infamous for banding (striped areas across the screen being lighter than other areas).
Office depot has the LC-C4662U 46" Aquos on sale for $1599.99 this week.
great tv if you dont get one w/ the banding.
if you do a search for it at AVSForum youll get a gigantic thread discussing it to death.
what i would do is ask OD, or whoever you end up buying it from, if they allow exchanges if it has the banding problem. because it can be annoying if its bad, not something you want to be stuck w/ for the life of the TV.
Costco allows this, and thats where most people at AVS ended up buying from. But be prepared to try a couple sets before you find one w/o banding. Costco should price match if you bring in the ad from OD (this is a YMMV since costco carries the same tv but w/ a unique model #). if you have a costco near you.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16889101097[/quote]
they have great color reproduction/contrast & dark blacklevels.
But, they're infamous for banding (striped areas across the screen being lighter than other areas).
Office depot has the LC-C4662U 46" Aquos on sale for $1599.99 this week.
great tv if you dont get one w/ the banding.
if you do a search for it at AVSForum youll get a gigantic thread discussing it to death.
what i would do is ask OD, or whoever you end up buying it from, if they allow exchanges if it has the banding problem. because it can be annoying if its bad, not something you want to be stuck w/ for the life of the TV.
Costco allows this, and thats where most people at AVS ended up buying from. But be prepared to try a couple sets before you find one w/o banding. Costco should price match if you bring in the ad from OD (this is a YMMV since costco carries the same tv but w/ a unique model #). if you have a costco near you.
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[quote name='mykevermin']Aquos are very good, but 37-42" is not worth the $800 or so (after getting rid of your old tv, tax, service plan, etc.). Even with the free HTIB offer (not that I know if that's even a good one or not).
If you really feel the need to upgrade, do so on BF. Besides you have a 360 HD DVD player, making 1080p irrelevant on that endlol. What's the hurry?[/quote]
didnt we already go over this whole 1080i/1080p thing? only downside to the 360 HD DVD is no dolby TrueHD. but if he doesnt have a receiver that accepts that (or speakers good enough to take advantage of it), its kind of a moot point.
If you really feel the need to upgrade, do so on BF. Besides you have a 360 HD DVD player, making 1080p irrelevant on that end
lol. What's the hurry?[/quote]didnt we already go over this whole 1080i/1080p thing? only downside to the 360 HD DVD is no dolby TrueHD. but if he doesnt have a receiver that accepts that (or speakers good enough to take advantage of it), its kind of a moot point.
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[quote name='mykevermin']
If you really feel the need to upgrade, do so on BF. Besides you have a 360 HD DVD player, making 1080p irrelevant on that endlol. What's the hurry?[/quote]
cmon myke.. do your hw...
i have an elite system with hdmi. 1080p is available
thanks for the feedback though..
May hold off. every now and then i just gert a sudden urge to upgrade to 1080p.
This guys offering 800 for my tv and a 360 pro..
The deal from newegg seems good to. I originally got my olevia from there. maybe i should check out the tv instore
If you really feel the need to upgrade, do so on BF. Besides you have a 360 HD DVD player, making 1080p irrelevant on that end
lol. What's the hurry?[/quote]cmon myke.. do your hw...
i have an elite system with hdmi. 1080p is available
thanks for the feedback though..
May hold off. every now and then i just gert a sudden urge to upgrade to 1080p.
This guys offering 800 for my tv and a 360 pro..
The deal from newegg seems good to. I originally got my olevia from there. maybe i should check out the tv instore
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[quote name='dallow']Downside is no HD audio options at all.[/quote] hmm, thought it output PCM. but looks like its up to DTS 5.1 and WMA Pro. not great
then again. i used to think DTS 5.1 was F'in stunning. i think so much has to do w/ pre-conceived perception. if a track is encoded well, it still sounds good if you have a good sound system. its not the same kind of jump in quality as SDTV to HDTV is imo. still sucks that it doesnt output it though. but i like to think i have good ears & the difference isnt that large on my setup. then again i dont have $10,000 speakers.
then again. i used to think DTS 5.1 was F'in stunning. i think so much has to do w/ pre-conceived perception. if a track is encoded well, it still sounds good if you have a good sound system. its not the same kind of jump in quality as SDTV to HDTV is imo. still sucks that it doesnt output it though. but i like to think i have good ears & the difference isnt that large on my setup. then again i dont have $10,000 speakers.
[quote name='propeller_head']thats not entirely true. it can decode/output all audio codecs as PCM. but if your receiver doesnt accept PCM, youre stuck w/ DD. if it does however, you do have HD audio just the same.[/quote]
No it can't. Standalone players can, but the 360 MUST re-encode all advanced audio as either DD, DTS, or WMA Pro. The chipset does not have the bandwidth to transfer multichannel PCM out the HDMI port. It's a design flaw.
There is NO WAY to get TrueHD, DD+, DTS-HD, etc out of the 360 in its original quality.
No it can't. Standalone players can, but the 360 MUST re-encode all advanced audio as either DD, DTS, or WMA Pro. The chipset does not have the bandwidth to transfer multichannel PCM out the HDMI port. It's a design flaw.
There is NO WAY to get TrueHD, DD+, DTS-HD, etc out of the 360 in its original quality.
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