[quote name='jollydwarf']Nice observations, jaso. I forgot to mention it, but please note the following:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
The specific gospel, chapter and verse? John, 3:16, of course.[/QUOTE]
i was just about to post this. and the name of the episode, 316 and the flight they were on, 316.
also, the whole ben telling jack the st thomas story. foreshadowing anyone? obviously jack will be playing the role of thomas when they are back on the island.
Best part had to be when the pilot sees the old crew and says "So...guess we're not going to Guam?"
:lol:[/QUOTE]
I liked that line along with the line Ben delivered when Jack asked what was going to happen to the rest of the pasangers on the flight.
"who cares?"
That line was so awesome. It really shows again Ben really cares about his agenda. One thing I did want to see if the plane break in half again with only the people in the front making it to the island.
[quote name='jollydwarf']I hope we at least see a brief appearance by Walt next week, what with it being the 'Jeremy Bentham backstory' episode and all. I'd really hate for his character to simply become an unresolved loose end.[/quote]
If you look at the promo for next week's episode, there is a scene where Locke is standing on a table (where he presumably hangs himself) and there is a person kneeling before him. That person appears to be African-American. Might that be older Walt?
Also, in that promo, Locke appears to be talking to the same lady that is "escorting" Zayid onto the plane. It looks like they're on a beach and she asks him "What do you remember?" and Locke answers, "I remember dying." Not sure if they are talking before or after the return to the island but I have a feeling that Locke is going to be ressurected hence the "I remember dying" line.
This show is soooooo good. Is there anything better on TV? Maybe ever? Battlestar Galactica is close but you could spend years analyzing Lost and all the hidden clues/references and never figure it out. It's actually amazing looking back that it wasn't canceled after 3 episodes.
[quote name='emg28']If you look at the promo for next week's episode, there is a scene where Locke is standing on a table (where he presumably hangs himself) and there is a person kneeling before him. That person appears to be African-American. Might that be older Walt?[/quote]
Doesn't look like Walt at all to me; looks more like Ben, and the voiceover during that shot in the preview sounds like Ben, too. Also, I noticed Locke strikes a Christ pose - he's at last intentionally doing something with his right arm/hand.
[quote name='emg28']Also, in that promo, Locke appears to be talking to the same lady that is "escorting" Zayid onto the plane. It looks like they're on a beach and she asks him "What do you remember?" and Locke answers, "I remember dying." Not sure if they are talking before or after the return to the island but I have a feeling that Locke is going to be ressurected hence the "I remember dying" line.[/quote]
I hadn't realized that as the same woman - nice catch. But this does appear to be on the island after he has "died" - you can tell by comparing the dress shirt he's wearing in the coffin to the one he's wearing when he says "I remember dying."
New questions: Why the "F" is he wearing a hooded robe?
Here's my thought from watching that preview slowed down, though. It does appear that Locke ends up in Tunisia after he turns the wheel. He looks like he's laying in the desert at night. More importantly, my guess is that it's Widmore in the car that's approaching him head-on, and he's there to pick him up. If you look at the shot where he's talking to Widmore, you can faintly see an Arabic-looking guy in a turbin or some type of head wrap. Also, maybe it's just me, but the car approaching Locke in the preview looks like a Mercedes. The clip I watched over wasn't the greatest quality, though.
I constantly find myself referencing old episodes to find things I completely forgot about (like Charlotte finding polar bear bones in Tunisia with a Dharma logo, and the line about Lapidus originally being the pilot for 815). I keep having to remind myself that almost nothing that happens in this show is unintentional - I'm looking for hidden meanings in almost everything.
[quote name='JJSP']I constantly find myself referencing old episodes to find things I completely forgot about (like Charlotte finding polar bear bones in Tunisia with a Dharma logo, and the line about Lapidus originally being the pilot for 815). I keep having to remind myself that almost nothing that happens in this show is unintentional - I'm looking for hidden meanings in almost everything.[/quote] This is the main reason I hope the show ends well. I'm looking forward to rewatching the entire series and trying to catch all this kind of stuff. A lame ending would derail that.
That's why I kick myself for buying S1 and S2 on DVD because I know there's going to be a ing amazing collectors set inside a mock up Dharma hatch or something. I'm thinking like 40 discs, with at least five of those bonus material.
[quote name='JJSP']That's why I kick myself for buying S1 and S2 on DVD because I know there's going to be a ing amazing collectors set inside a mock up Dharma hatch or something. I'm thinking like 40 discs, with at least five of those bonus material.[/quote]
Yeah I'm putting off buying the series as well until the complete series comes out in spectacular fashion... Just imagine:
Lost: The Complete Series on Blu-Ray. Comes with your own island!
New questions: Why the "F" is he wearing a hooded robe?
Not sure, but my gut instinct tells me not to look to the Bible or our own ancient history, but instead what happened a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. At this point, I can't really say who he'd be directly comparable to, Jedi or Sith. Maybe Luke after he becomes a Jedi?
[quote name='javeryh']This show is soooooo good. Is there anything better on TV? Maybe ever? Battlestar Galactica is close but you could spend years analyzing Lost and all the hidden clues/references and never figure it out. It's actually amazing looking back that it wasn't canceled after 3 episodes.[/QUOTE]
as ive said before, ive been watching the whole series with my brother trying to catch him up. we just finished season 3, and i appriciate it a lot more than i did before. there are so many little things in that season that are playing out now, this is one of those shows that everytime ive watched it over ive liked it more. this is my third time going through the past seasons (first with my gf and now with my brother).
Yeah, IGN mentioned it, too, in their preview this morning. They also hinted at an Abbadon appearance, which certainly wouldn't be out of the question.
[quote name='jaso']Yeah, IGN mentioned it, too, in their preview this morning. They also hinted at an Abbadon appearance, which certainly wouldn't be out of the question.[/QUOTE]
since im in the middle of season four catching my brother up im dying to know wtf is up with abbadon, he seems like a big player that just kinda fell off the radar.
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']since im in the middle of season four catching my brother up im dying to know wtf is up with abbadon, he seems like a big player that just kinda fell off the radar.[/quote]
My guess is that he'll be key this year as the show continues to pepper in biblical references more and more. I'm too lazy to go double-check this right now, but I seem to remember reading that Abbadon was the guardian of the lake of fire, set to keep Lucifer from escaping. That's probably only marginally accurate, but you get the idea.
[quote name='jaso']My guess is that he'll be key this year as the show continues to pepper in biblical references more and more.[/quote]
Hehe. Not sure I've ever been more wrong.
Thought it was fitting that
Ben had to kill Locke as opposed to Locke taking his own life. Suicides become lost souls, and lost souls could never be ressurrected. Now, do we think he was already planning on killing John, or did the name drop of Eloise Hawking set Ben off?
I'll admit I was rather underwhelmed. Every cool scene from tonight's episode, aside from the one I just mentioned, was shown in last week's preview.
I did think it was interesting to see that some people got hurt. I didn't think the plane actually crashed. It's worth noting that the island seems to heal those who are deemed worthy. So, for the opposite to happen says something about the injured's character.
It's the second time Hawking's name being brought up visibly stunned him. Same thing happened when Desmond showed up at the church and said he was looking for her. I think maybe it's less that Hawking is a major player, but that Faraday is. Could be he was on the island same time Ben went under Alpert's wing. They are implying Faraday was some sort of seriously evil dude. Faraday's mother was there, right? And Whidmore. And Namaste Orientation Dude is obviously Miles' father. It's like some big Dharma reunion going on.
Yeah, IGN mentioned it, too, in their preview this morning. They also hinted at an Abbadon appearance, which certainly wouldn't be out of the question.
See, and that's why I don't even read such seemingly innocuous previews about upcoming episodes. This show is best enjoyed with minimal concrete spoilage going in, and anyone who says otherwise is insane and missing the point. So, yes, if any of you feel otherwise, I don't respect your opinion on this matter. Now...that's different from taking clues and speculating and being validated--that's very intellectually gratifying.
Otherwise, I thought this was a Top-Tenner. As in, the entire series so far. Just an outstanding performance by Terry O'Quinn (again). I'm also more confused that ever about which 'side' to trust, which is exactly what the creators want.
Although, I'm really perplexed as to why Locke's mention of Hawking seems to be the thing that made Ben do a '180'. Ben's working with her and he makes it a priority to get John back to the island. Maybe Ben was simply keeping Locke from committing suicide, the Unforgivable Sin?
Does anyone else think that the returning Losties on the Ajira flight were effectively 'raptured'? Not a fan of that whole line of apocalyptical thinking, but that seems like a reference point for what happened to them.
P.S. Anyone else think that Castle has a lot of potential? I rarely get interested by new shows (I was even skeptical of LOST back when they were bombarding us with the "Dominic Monaghan is...LOST" ads in September of '04), but this one seems fun and just on the right side of the "clever/stupid" line.
EDIT:They are implying Faraday was some sort of seriously evil dude.
They are? As in, the show's creators and writers? I don't think Dan's evil, but I do somewhat suspect he's going to lose his mind at some point, relatively, uh, 'soon.' I'm still wondering if he gets 'sick' (read: assimilated?) from Smokey. We still haven't seen the footage from the first couple teasers that shows him in his 'miner hat' outfit investigating subterranean caves, which could very easily be the interior of a Cerberus Vent.
It also seems like the people who speculated that The Others' 'big project' from Season Three was some sort of landing area for a return trip might be validated. I know the plane seems to have landed in the jungle brush, but that's the first thing I thought when I saw where the non-'raptured' were (which somehow wasn't a surprise).
Nathan Fillion is in Castle...so it'll be a great show that gets prematurely cancelled.
Oh, snap! But again...it's not FOX, so it's got a chance, right?
[quote name='jollydwarf']
They are? As in, the show's creators and writers? I don't think Dan's evil, but I do somewhat suspect he's going to lose his mind at some point, relatively, uh, 'soon.' [/quote]
Charlotte says a "bad man" was on the island while she was there, and that she thinks it was Faraday (how all of a sudden she remembers him as someone else from her past wasn't exactly explained). Plus, there's that girl that became a vegetable after some mysterious experiment he did with her. He was probably some Josef Mengele type guy on the Dharma payroll.
EDIT: One thing's for sure based on next week's teaser. I'm getting sick of this show's constant use of the mystery dude creeps out of shadows, mystery dude has back to camera and turns around, mystery dude observing ominously from bushes, revealing mystery hostage dude behind door, mystery dude revealed after bag is pulled off head, etc.
Not to be the quintessential LOST nitpicker, but she actually calls him a "crazy man." I know, because I watched the episode more than once, and because the first time, I thought she said "crazy old man." So it's easy with this show to have the details get tweaked in your head.
In other words, I think Dan might pay the price for too much scientific inquisitiveness, but I also believe at this point, he's got the best intentions.
One thing we haven't talked much about is what they're supposed to do now that they're back on the island. It seems like at least a couple of them came to the island with no intention of leaving.
There was something Abaddon mentioned about Locke needing to get back before the war begins. My mind immediately went to The Stand.
A war?...the final season of this show is going to be insane.
Wonder if Walt, Aaron, and Desmond are going to eventually go back. That would be an odd episode. "Penny, I'm going on a field trip with an teenage black kid and an infant I kidnapped. BRB!"
This episode, "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" really gave me so many "OMG" mouth wide open moment... great episode. The next week's episode teaser as well... I wanted a white flash to envelope me and send me to next week.
Oh man, another great episode tonight! The Locke episodes are usually pretty good and pretty revealing!
I am more convinced than ever that Locke is destined for great things.
I also wanted a white flash to take me to next week!
I really think we are going to see Walt back on the island. It would be silly to have him in the episode like that and then never show him again! I wonder if all the kids (Walt, Aaron, Charlie, Ji Yeong) are going to go back to the Island together or end up on the island?
I heart this show with all of my body, including my pp. (I know, I know - I didn't come up with that idea, it is such a good line though!)
i thought it was a great episode. there have been a lot of episodes where they just throw things at you that raise more questions, and its very frustrating, but this episode did a very good job of adding new questions but not feel like they were being forced.
of course they have to mind us even more with whos the bad guy, ben or charles. it almost makes me think like they are both bad guys, and the only good guy is richard (and the losties).
im still wondering who else was on the plane, we only saw the people in first class, for all we know desmond and walt both could have been in coach (they never knew each other after all).
i dont like the idea of a whole other plane landing on the island, now theres just going to be a bunch of new red shirts to kill, we got a new guys, ceaser, who i already dont trust. and some random kind of hot chick to poke her nose if everyones business and make kate jealous in a couple of episodes.
Yeah, I don't get it. Are we supposed to like Ben or hate Ben? I like him regardless, easily one of the greatest "villains" ever created. At first glance the viewers are led to believe he's a weak little nerd but then he's in Tunisia getting all Jason Bourne on the natives. He's a hardcore motherer. Ethan's my favorite badass though. Nowhere near enough screen time. Check that dude out in In The Bedroom. ing great movie there.
1. I'm not sure I believe that Helen is dead. The gravestone could have been placed there by Widmore so Locke wouldn't get sidetracked from his mission.
2. The reveal of Locke under the blanket on the beach was the most obvious thing ever, so I'm not sure why the suspenseful music was used.
3. When Locke got out of the wheelchair to rig up the noose, I was sure they only showed him having four toes, but then there was another shot and he had all five.
Last night's episode was absolutely amazing. Much, much better than last week's episode.
However I do have a question. I thought when Ben originally took Jack to the funeral home where Locke's body was at, Jack said something like, "So he made it off the island huh?".
[quote name='darthbudge']Last night's episode was absolutely amazing. Much, much better than last week's episode.
However I do have a question. I thought when Ben originally took Jack to the funeral home where Locke's body was at, Jack said something like, "So he made it off the island huh?".
Does anybody else remember something like that?[/quote]
Vaguely. If that's accurate, it's possible he was playing dumb about having encountered Locke previously. But he recognized the name "Jeremy Bentham" and they were all discussing Locke as Bentham, so clearly they knew his alias which means they had to know he had returned.
Maybe just a very small continuity mistake on their part?
[quote name='crunchb3rry']Charlotte says a "bad man" was on the island while she was there, and that she thinks it was Faraday (how all of a sudden she remembers him as someone else from her past wasn't exactly explained). Plus, there's that girl that became a vegetable after some mysterious experiment he did with her. He was probably some Josef Mengele type guy on the Dharma payroll.[/quote]
[quote name='jollydwarf']Not to be the quintessential LOST nitpicker, but she actually calls him a "crazy man." I know, because I watched the episode more than once, and because the first time, I thought she said "crazy old man." So it's easy with this show to have the details get tweaked in your head.
In other words, I think Dan might pay the price for too much scientific inquisitiveness, but I also believe at this point, he's got the best intentions.[/quote]
I bet Faraday can't resist resuming his experiments once he's in with Dharma and sees whatever they've accomplished/discovered/etc. He probably thinks he can do it correctly now (whatever it was he was doing) and ends up being obsessed.
Remember... time passes differently on the island, or so it seems. For all we know, Sawyer, Jin, Juliette, etc could have been trapped in the 70's working for Dharma for a few years now and learned a whole lot. Locke said it had been roughly 4 days since he had met Whitmore, but Jack, etc had been off the island for over 3 years.
I'm still recovering from seeing
Ben kill Locke. He looked pretty sinister when he did it, and the fact he said, "I'm going to miss you John, I really am," makes me think he isn't expecting Locke to return alive and well in all of his Christ-like glory once they get back to the island.
[quote name='crunchb3rry']Check that dude out in In The Bedroom. ing great movie there.[/quote]
One of my favorite films. Tom Wilkinson is hardcore in that movie.
[quote name='pitfallharry219']4. Walt was a better actor five years ago.[/quote]
QFT.
[quote name='johnnypark']I'm still recovering from seeing
Ben kill Locke. He looked pretty sinister when he did it, and the fact he said, "I'm going to miss you John, I really am," makes me think he isn't expecting Locke to return alive and well in all of his Christ-like glory once they get back to the island.
[/quote]
Agreed. I think that's what they were setting up with the episode-ending cliffhanger ... that turning of the tables. But at the same time, I second-guess myself. Ben knows the island better than anyone, plus, he practically killed John once before on the island only to see him recover almost miraculously.
ing amazing collectors set inside a mock up Dharma hatch or something. I'm thinking like 40 discs, with at least five of those bonus material.
