Playstation 4: Rumors and Speculation, complete with fanboy rage!

[quote name='gettinmoney662']Literally one of the dumbest things said in this thread, and that includes blaster man's posts.[/QUOTE]


the dumbest shit said mostly has come from you and any other moron defending publishers trying to eliminate used game sales. why be part of a site that helps people pay less for games if youre so pro developers ? only a fucking idiot supports what theyre against. just shut up , pay full price and quit posting circular arguments and trolling.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I think that by not having used games, there will be more pirating and/or people will wait for the games to drop prices.
 
[quote name='H4Y4TO']I think that by not having used games, there will be more pirating and/or people will wait for the games to drop prices.[/QUOTE]
You may be right. No one knows, since no one can predict the future. But if too many games are pirated and no one pays the creator, eventually no one will create new content. Then we all lose.
 
[quote name='lokizz']the dumbest shit said mostly has come from you and any other moron defending publishers trying to eliminate used game sales. why be part of a site that helps people pay less for games if youre so pro developers ? only a fucking idiot supports what theyre against. just shut up , pay full price and quit posting circular arguments and trolling.[/QUOTE]

I bought El Shaddai a couple of days ago for $15. Was it used? Nope. You're a moron.
 
[quote name='gettinmoney662']I bought El Shaddai a couple of days ago for $15. Was it used? Nope. You're a moron.[/QUOTE]


but did you buy it at full price for 60? no so stfu if you want to support them so much buy it at its full price new last time i checked 60 is more than 15 so by your own ignorant rationale youre shorting the developers 45 bucks. you do want to support them fully dont you or do you just like talking out of your ass..........yeah you do so nvm.

i cant stand arrogant assholes like you who feel the need to wave your little flag of superiority because i bought it new so i support developers lol wtf whoopdedooo but people who buy used shit are apparently scum. if you want your argument to hold any fucking water buy your shit full price new if you dont then youre really no better than those who buy stuff used because as it stands the developers feel their games are worth 60 bucks new but here you are paying 15 bucks for a new copy which is alot less than they feel its worth.
 
[quote name='lokizz']but did you buy it at full price for 60? no so stfu if you want to support them so much buy it at its full price new last time i checked 60 is more than 15 so by your own ignorant rationale youre shorting the developers 45 bucks. you do want to support them fully dont you or do you just like talking out of your ass..........yeah you do so nvm.[/QUOTE]

lokizz: If you don't like used games, you don't like cheap games and must pay full price.
lokizz part two: If you don't like used games but get cheap, new games, you should pay full price.

What's your next argument gonna be?

Furthermore, buying a new game for $15 supports the publisher more than buying a $55 used game does.
 
wow man youre a worst troll than cheapestgamer at the height of his sony hate keep rationalizing but in the end at least some of his rantings made sense.
 
[quote name='gettinmoney662']Ooo, good counter argument. I take it back, you're not a moron at all.[/QUOTE]


yeah but your parents were for not using condoms. say whatever you want man you know im right if you want to support them so much pay the full price. enough said.... oh look theyve got your bridge ready for you .
 
[quote name='lokizz']yeah but your parents were for not using condoms. say whatever you want man you know im right if you want to support them so much pay the full price. enough said.... oh look theyve got your bridge ready for you .[/QUOTE]

I don't understand how you think you're right. Buying new is still supporting developers because publishers will get money for it and will be a deciding factor for a sequel or to keep the developers around. gettinmoney is right when he said buying new at $15 is better for publishers then people how buy used at $50 or $55.
 
but buying it at 15 new isnt better than buy it it at 60 new which is what developers really want which is my point. if a person is really so into supporting devs then wouldnt the best way to support them be to buy it at its full price?
 
[quote name='lokizz']but buying it at 15 new isnt better than buy it it at 60 new which is what developers really want which is my point. if a person is really so into supporting devs then wouldnt the best way to support them be to buy it at its full price?[/QUOTE]

What publishers and developers want is to make any kind of money which they don't get from used sales. Nobody really has money to buy every game at $60 which why I think when gaming goes fully digital that they will lower the prices a bit and something similar to the steam system.
 
[quote name='lokizz']but buying it at 15 new isnt better than buy it it at 60 new which is what developers really want which is my point. if a person is really so into supporting devs then wouldnt the best way to support them be to buy it at its full price?[/QUOTE]

Lol, and having people buying games at $1000 is even better in their minds then.
 
[quote name='elessar123']Lol, and having people buying games at $1000 is even better in their minds then.[/QUOTE]


exactly so whats wrong with someone buying a used game. that fact that its used means someone at some point bought it new after that its up to the person who owns it what they do with it so they trade it in to gamestop for credit and now its gamestops property to do with as they please.


like someone else mentioned if developers are so against gamestop and other stroes selling games used then buy the damn games back from the people who bought them and then you can sell it yourself. theyre only pissing and moaning because gamestop beat them to the punch and now even after coming up with online codes ( which now include shit that has nothing to do with online play like rage or arkham city) they just want more money. just like charging money for dlc already on the disk.

you all want to blindly hold onto your flawed beliefs in the greater good of the developer fine do it but you cant ignore the hypocrisy in it all. you will of course so you can walk some imaginary high road of " I pay for new shit" but used shit was once new shit so they got their money.
 
[quote name='lokizz']wow man youre a worst troll than cheapestgamer at the height of his sony hate keep rationalizing but in the end at least some of his rantings made sense.[/QUOTE]
:cry:You do care.;):booty: But honestly my 'Sony hate' is still full fledged, I just learned to not express it that often.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']:cry:You do care.;):booty: But honestly my 'Sony hate' is still full fledged, I just learned to not express it that often.[/QUOTE]


good for you gotta keep that hate inside and let it eat you up from within lol thats how i deal with my loathing of american idol and ryan seacrest....fucking smug sob.
 
[quote name='lokizz']but buying it at 15 new isnt better than buy it it at 60 new which is what developers really want which is my point. if a person is really so into supporting devs then wouldnt the best way to support them be to buy it at its full price?[/QUOTE]

The way to support them is buying new regardless of price. The price differences are irrelevant from the publisher side because its the store who receives that money, not the devs. The pubs and devs already received the money.

The problem is, that if used games are being sold and new arent, then the store wont buy anymore new games, because they still have plenty inventory. Thus, the dev and publisher wont get more sales because stores wont need anymore.

Then devs see that although they only sold 1 million, there are 3 million players. To them, thats 2 million potential sales that they should have seen, but didnt. And its not a argument of "these players wouldnt have ever bought it", because (for at least a good number of them) they would and did. And its not because the game was used, its because it was cheaper. And for a lot of cases, its to save $5-10 bucks. But when the new price lowers to that amount, used sales lower too and still get the sale. Its another hypocritical thing some gamers do.

So we can say greed is what drives companies, but it drives buyers too. But whereas gamers do it to save a few bucks, companies need money to make up for the cost of development and staff. When they dont make up costs, devs close or companies dont bother with sequels because why woulnt they expect the same result?

Theres a lot of issues to tackle with this whole problem. Its not the fault of just one side.
 
[quote name='4thHorseman']The way to support them is buying new regardless of price. The price differences are irrelevant from the publisher side because its the store who receives that money, not the devs. The pubs and devs already received the money.

The problem is, that if used games are being sold and new arent, then the store wont buy anymore new games, because they still have plenty inventory. Thus, the dev and publisher wont get more sales because stores wont need anymore.

Then devs see that although they only sold 1 million, there are 3 million players. To them, thats 2 million potential sales that they should have seen, but didnt. And its not a argument of "these players wouldnt have ever bought it", because (for at least a good number of them) they would and did. And its not because the game was used, its because it was cheaper. And for a lot of cases, its to save $5-10 bucks. But when the new price lowers to that amount, used sales lower too and still get the sale. Its another hypocritical thing some gamers do.

So we can say greed is what drives companies, but it drives buyers too. But whereas gamers do it to save a few bucks, companies need money to make up for the cost of development and staff. When they dont make up costs, devs close or companies dont bother with sequels because why would they expect the same result?

Theres a lot of issues to tackle with this whole problem. Its not the fault of just one side.[/QUOTE]

Nope, if you really wanted to support developers, you'd give them access to your bank account and go give them blow jobs. If you're not willing to do that, you might as well buy used.

/lokizz
 
[quote name='gettinmoney662']Nope, if you really wanted to support developers, you'd give them access to your bank account and go give them blow jobs. If you're not willing to do that, you might as well buy used.

/lokizz[/QUOTE]

Maybe if they finally made.a really good Superman game...
 
[quote name='gettinmoney662']Nope, if you really wanted to support developers, you'd give them access to your bank account and go give them blow jobs. If you're not willing to do that, you might as well buy used.

/lokizz[/QUOTE]


man you must really like giving blowjobs to go to that length good luck with that bro i guess thats how you go about "gettin money".:applause:
 
[quote name='lokizz']man you must really like giving blowjobs to go to that length good luck with that bro i guess thats how you go about "gettin money".:applause:[/QUOTE]

Bwahahaha.
 
[quote name='Jodou']Amateur trolls, pssh. Like watching two teens learn how to fuck.[/QUOTE]
You need to watch better porn my friend.
 
[quote name='lokizz']good for you gotta keep that hate inside and let it eat you up from within lol thats how i deal with my loathing of american idol and ryan seacrest....fucking smug sob.[/QUOTE]
Nah. I let out my hate when Sony implements another of their annoying firmware updates, since they never tell you what it adds or removes 100%. I always feel as if those are a huge waste of time since they never add anything decent to them. It's always some fluff nonsense like another stupid video app or something.
 
As bad as it seems, I think I would welcome them going the locked game route so I can just stop buying new games and consoles. My backlog should already last me until I die. I will be that 80 yr old man still playing an atari 2600 when other consoles are stitched into your eyelids
 
The ONLY good thing about a non used game console is that it'll keep GameStop from selling (or trying to sell) used games as new.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']The ONLY good thing about a non used game console s hat it'll keep GameStop from selling (or trying to sell) used games as new.[/QUOTE]

They'll still be gutting new games for display.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']They'll still be gutting new games for display.[/QUOTE]
Then no one will ever buy them unless they are rare other than soccer moms:roll:
 
[quote name='bjstucker']Then no one will ever buy them unless they are rare other than soccer moms:roll:[/QUOTE]

Gamestop employees won't be able to "borrow" the games anymore and sell them as new.
 
So if a game gets sold through ebay sealed does it still go to the devs after all it is new :roll:

Or how about when you pick up a clearance game for 75% off yea i'm sure thats what the devs wanted when they wanted you to buy new:applause:

Defenders of this no used game shit are sad.
 
[quote name='renique46']Or how about when you pick up a clearance game for 75% off yea i'm sure thats what the devs wanted when they wanted you to buy new:applause:

Defenders of this no used game shit are sad.[/QUOTE]

As previously mentioned, the devs already got their money from the retail store. Furthermore, even if they offered price protection to the retailer, buying a $15 new game is still better for the developers than buying a $55 used game.

Morons who lack logic are sad.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']Gamestop employees won't be able to "borrow" the games anymore and sell them as new.[/QUOTE]

Exactly!
 
Every time someone mentions Gamestop selling gutted games, I want to slap them and say "then don't buy the display copy, you dumbass."
 
[quote name='Survivalism']Every time someone mentions Gamestop selling gutted games, I want to slap them and say "then don't buy the display copy, you dumbass."[/QUOTE]
But they told me it was the last copy they had(ya know besides the 20 sitting in the drawer under the counter:roll:) and I didn't wanna drive all over town to see if other stores had one sealed.:):booty:
 
[quote name='Survivalism']Every time someone mentions Gamestop selling gutted games, I want to slap them and say "then don't buy the display copy, you dumbass."[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure they gut more than just the display copy although I'm not 100% sure. The very few times I had to buy from Gamestop (to get Hyperdimension Neptunia and Ar Tonelico Qoga), I called ahead to see if they had sealed copies.
 
[quote name='Fell Open Ian']If publishers were really so hurt by the used games market then they'd play hardball and stop selling games to retailers which participate in it.

Unless and until then it's just publishers fucking consumers under the bullshit guise of protecting themselves.

"Places like Gamestop are destroying this industry!...Now please pre-order our next game from Gamestop for an exclusive in-game shiny bauble and ignore the fact that we don't care enough to not sell them games in the first place when we can just suck $10 more dollars out of you for an online pass."

I've long since stopped participating in the used games market as I've become far more adept at getting good deals on new games but come on...publishers are so full of shit on this subject that their eyes are brown.[/QUOTE]

Not a viable strategy from a legal standpoint. So long as the machines themselves support it the laws regarding second-hand sales of products are quite clear.

In the state of CA a trade group of Optometrists lobbied for a law that prevented eyeglass chains like Lenscrafters from offering eye exams as part of the sale of eyeglasses and contacts. It was wrapped in a bunch of utter bullcrap about people not getting proper eye exams but it was really about protecting the bread and butter of Optometrists in private practice. So, what Lenscrafters did was partner with companies that created a chain of tiny eye exam outlets. These were found, by no small coincidence, tucked in a corner of every Lenscrafters store across the state. All billing was separate but you could get your prescription and have your new glasses made up without delay.

If game publishers went to the extreme of having a similar law, preventing sales of used games in the same venues selling new, they'd simply work around it and nothing would change.

The only thing that will work is to design against used product sales in the platform itself and take the issue out of contention by retailers. Note that Apple has done this quite well with the iOS devices. You can buy an iPad at any of thousands of Walmarts across the nation even though there is no software for them to sell. They try to make their money on high margin accessories. A download only game console would have tot ake the same approach. The software displays go away and the focus goes to additional hardware sales on top of the base system.
 
[quote name='lokizz']for those of you who seem so anti used games why the hell even join a site like cheapass gamer? wouldnt you be more comfortable at a site like retail gamer? or full priced gamer?[/QUOTE]

A desire for low price is not incompatible with a dislike of used products or a desire for publishers to adopt business models better suited to lower prices.

So much of the commentary in these threads repeats the same line: I can only afford new games because I sell of my old games.

But doesn't that say the games are much too high priced? This is a luxury entertainment item. Not an essential item like a home or car. I've little concern about selling off my old games because my average cost is so low that I can afford to indulge the pleasure of having an extensive collection. When I sold off a bunch of older systems and libraries last year it was primarily because the cost of storing them had made retaining them questionable. Everything from that era and older was widely available in emulated form. The entirety of the SNES/SF library fits on a single DVD with plenty of room to spare.

Getting rid of those collections freed up several cubic yards of storage space. The money I got was a small fraction of what I paid long ago but it wasn't really about getting money. It was mainly about not having an ongoing expenditure of money to continue having those items and the desire to make sure they'd go somewhere they'd be appreciated.
 
[quote name='lokizz']but did you buy it at full price for 60? no so stfu if you want to support them so much buy it at its full price new last time i checked 60 is more than 15 so by your own ignorant rationale youre shorting the developers 45 bucks. you do want to support them fully dont you or do you just like talking out of your ass..........yeah you do so nvm.

i cant stand arrogant assholes like you who feel the need to wave your little flag of superiority because i bought it new so i support developers lol wtf whoopdedooo but people who buy used shit are apparently scum. if you want your argument to hold any fucking water buy your shit full price new if you dont then youre really no better than those who buy stuff used because as it stands the developers feel their games are worth 60 bucks new but here you are paying 15 bucks for a new copy which is alot less than they feel its worth.[/QUOTE]

Completely untrue. You fail at basic game economics.

The $60 price point is based on a need to reach profits on a production in the same quarter as it is released. There are business reasons for this that have already been detailed elsewhere. The important part is that once a game is in profits the price per unit can be far, far lower and still be profitable for the publisher.

Perhaps you've noticed that every platform has some form of Greatest Hits product line specifically offering games that reached profitability at a price half or one third of the launch price? This was a huge advantage for Sony in promoting the Playstation. Cartridge based systems such as the N64 couldn't match this because the ROM cost was a major factor in the pricing of the game, even after it had paid off its development costs. An N64 title could only be substantially discounted when the cost of the chips took a big drop, which is why Player's Choice cartridges tended to be very old titles with a low megabit count.

Optical media changed all of that. A big seller could be relaunched as a Greatest Hit within a year of release and saturating the market willing to pay the highest price. The market for the Greatest Hit offered millions more sales and the profit margin for the retailer and publisher wasn't severely lower while volumes could be very good.

There is no reason to feel any guilt over buying a new in the shrinkwrap game cheap. It was either a hit that continues to make money at the lower price point, or it was not so popular and the publisher and retailer alike are grateful to see the inventory cleared away.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']They'll still be gutting new games for display.[/QUOTE]

They don't really need to do that...... They could get a dedicated display case. They gut games for employee use before the game has been officially released....if they have it in the back.

[quote name='Survivalism']Every time someone mentions Gamestop selling gutted games, I want to slap them and say "then don't buy the display copy, you dumbass."[/QUOTE]

fuck that...no, just don't shop at the store. Kids shop at at GameStop, and that's how they treat their customers....like kids (stupid kids).

[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']But they told me it was the last copy they had(ya know besides the 20 sitting in the drawer under the counter:roll:) and I didn't wanna drive all over town to see if other stores had one sealed.:):booty:[/QUOTE]

They all have the same fucking script. "It's the last copy.....". If GameStop wants to gut games for display, and /or employee use then fine but damn they can at least knock off 5 dollars for the customer that buys the game.

[quote name='gettinmoney662']I'm pretty sure they gut more than just the display copy although I'm not 100% sure. The very few times I had to buy from Gamestop (to get Hyperdimension Neptunia and Ar Tonelico Qoga), I called ahead to see if they had sealed copies.[/QUOTE]

I hate calling GameStop. Rest assured they gut a lot more than the display copy. Every time GameStop has a sale (like the one that's going on now) that's when all the "gutted for display" copies start to come out.
 
[quote name='epobirs']Completely untrue. You fail at basic game economics.

The $60 price point is based on a need to reach profits on a production in the same quarter as it is released. There are business reasons for this that have already been detailed elsewhere. The important part is that once a game is in profits the price per unit can be far, far lower and still be profitable for the publisher.

Perhaps you've noticed that every platform has some form of Greatest Hits product line specifically offering games that reached profitability at a price half or one third of the launch price? This was a huge advantage for Sony in promoting the Playstation. Cartridge based systems such as the N64 couldn't match this because the ROM cost was a major factor in the pricing of the game, even after it had paid off its development costs. An N64 title could only be substantially discounted when the cost of the chips took a big drop, which is why Player's Choice cartridges tended to be very old titles with a low megabit count.

Optical media changed all of that. A big seller could be relaunched as a Greatest Hit within a year of release and saturating the market willing to pay the highest price. The market for the Greatest Hit offered millions more sales and the profit margin for the retailer and publisher wasn't severely lower while volumes could be very good.

There is no reason to feel any guilt over buying a new in the shrinkwrap game cheap. It was either a hit that continues to make money at the lower price point, or it was not so popular and the publisher and retailer alike are grateful to see the inventory cleared away.[/QUOTE]


damn dude how bored are you to respond to old posts lol. i dont care anymore blah blah blah crippled masters!!!!!!!
 
[quote name='lokizz']damn dude how bored are you to respond to old posts lol. i dont care anymore blah blah blah crippled masters!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

If multiple people said I was wrong, I would probably stop caring too.
 
[quote name='gettinmoney662']If multiple people said I was wrong, I would probably stop caring too.[/QUOTE]


nah youd still be too busy sucking dicks and GETTIN DAT MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
bread's done
Back
Top