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Another talent leaving TNA:

A Double

I feel like all of these talents leaving will show up in ROH and GFW, which will only heighten my suspicions.

Ya think any GFW talents will interfere in the King of the Mountain match?

 
I can't imagine an Invasion angle working if everybody is jumping ship. Everybody's leaving the damned promotion. In a month, it's just going to be Angle, ECIII, and Jeremy Borash.

This isn't a work, this isn't an angle.

This is the ship going down, Brak.

 
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The mid to late-90's fan in me would love to see an invasion angle done right, especially if it could be done with 3 (!) promotions. The realist in me, though, just can't look past the obstacles, one of the biggest being PFH's point about ROH. Despite losing several big names over the last few years they seem to be in a growth period anyway, being on an additional network and several of their alumni being key players in pretty much anything that's good in WWE. I still watch TNA but it's quite clear that they're currently trending downward. I won't buy into the hype of their demise just yet (which has been going on, literally, for years) but they definitely would need this idea far more than ROH would.

BTW, I got a good laugh several weeks back when the promo banners for ROH would run during Impact, thinking about how infuriated the TNA suits probably were.

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I can't imagine an Invasion angle working if everybody is jumping ship. Everybody's leaving the damned promotion. In a month, it's just going to be Angle, ECIII, and Jeremy Borash.
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TRI-PLE THREAT! TRI-PLE THREAT! TRI-PLE THREAT!

 
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This KOTM match is such a clusterfuck, but at least it's entertaining.

I can't tell if it's the stream or the actual broadcast, but the audio is having major hiccups.

 
slidecage said:
then why play the video of HBK if they have no plans on bring him bacl
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I've changed my mind. Everything you've predicted has come true up to this point. Slidecage, don't fail me now.

Who's he going to feud with? When is he coming back? What did your sources tell you?

I have to give WWE credit for hyping HBK's return at an untelevised event; that's a smart move for sure.

 
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Boy was the first third of this show just stuff. KOs match had Kong do more than she has since returning, and was a fine ass showcase at points. Storm vs. Magnus was a video game hardcore match using real people, who I sure hope got paid tonight. Aries-Davey wasn't much.

Tyrus and EC3's tag was an SD mid-show main event, but with Brodus Clay, who is fatter and more jiggly than Homer Simpson now. KOTM was a cluster, but ended with a crazy EY piledriver on a ladder to Jarrett - who probably shouldn't be doing that at nearly 50, and the show itself concluded with a feel-good moment for Jeff and his family celebrating. Weird show.

http://jayreviewsthings.blogspot.com/2015/06/tna-slammiversary-2015.html

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slidecage said:
then why play the video of HBK if they have no plans on bring him bacl
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Apparently WWE wanted HBK for something at Wrestlemania 32, but he turned the offer down and said he has no plans on returning to wrestling, although he did say he still has a lot of gas left in the tank.

Shawn seems happy with his life right now. I for one am happy for HBK, the dude has given us years worth of entertainment in the ring and has truly deserved to enjoy the money he has made along the way.

 
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Is it a bad clusterfuck? A sweet, spot-filled, exciting clusterfuck (a la Royal Rumble)?

The rules for KOTM seem absurd on the surface, so it's hard to get into - still, a solid cast of wrestlers could make it a fun match, I'm sure.
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Sort of between a Gail Kim-eliminating-herself battle royal and the actual Royal Rumble.

 
mykevermin said:
Is it a bad clusterfuck? A sweet, spot-filled, exciting clusterfuck (a la Royal Rumble)?

The rules for KOTM seem absurd on the surface, so it's hard to get into - still, a solid cast of wrestlers could make it a fun match, I'm sure.
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Watching a King of the Mountain match is like watching a train wreck, you can't look away despite how awful it truly is.

 
You know, as someone who used to actually watch TNA all the time, I couldnt even be bothered to find a place to watch it online last night. Hell, by 8:03 I had even forgot about the damn thing. fuck you very much Dixie Carter for making me no longer give a shit about your company.

 
Rigor Mortis said:
You know, as someone who used to actually watch TNA all the time, I couldnt even be bothered to find a place to watch it online last night. Hell, by 8:03 I had even forgot about the damn thing. fuck you very much Dixie Carter for making me no longer give a shit about your company.
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I'm with you on that. I used to be a huge TNA fan from day one. After Hogan and Bischoff came in was when I started to lose interest, but I still keep up with the product by checking out the YouTube channel and online. They tape so much TV at once and I read the spoilers for 2 months worth of TV and forget about just about everything that happens. I hope this angle with GFW can make TNA interesting again, because the product isn't terrible. They have some great talent and are capable of putting on a good show, but they can't seem to stick with a direction. The company has been all over the place for the last 5 or so years.

 
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That's the lesson, I think. There's no reward for watching continually or serially.
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I really enjoy watching the weekly playlist of Impact on YouTube. It takes less than 10 minutes and I get my fix and since the clips are only a couple of minutes long, everything runs together just like watching a full episode of Impact!

 
Rumor going around is that Slammiversary was TNA's final PPV.  As some people noticed that certain personalities(like Borash) were basically saying their goodbyes during the PPV.  Jarrett's also planning to bring the KOTM title to GFW and defend it there.   So it does make you wonder wtf is going on with TNA.

Make me wonder what they'll do with Bound for Glory(if there is one).  But it might turn out to be like what they've done with Destination X & Lockdown, turning into a special edition of Impact.

 
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Rumor going around is that Slammiversary was TNA's final PPV. As some people noticed that certain personalities(like Borash) were basically saying their goodbyes during the PPV. Jarrett's also planning to bring the KOTM title to GFW and defend it there. So it does make you wonder wtf is going on with TNA.

Make me wonder what they'll do with Bound for Glory(if there is one). But it might turn out to be like what they've done with Destination X & Lockdown, turning into a special edition of Impact.
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Bound for Glory will likely happen in some capacity, but TNA has been slowly getting out of the PPV business for awhile now. It's a dying business model and they aren't selling huge numbers by any means, so it makes sense to get out of doing them. I am hoping that TNA is just absorbed into GFW and the King of the Mountain title doesn't stick around for very long because it's such a dumb idea for a title belt.

The fact that Magnus is done with TNA and has already signed with GFW is also another sign that the companies are merging. It only makes sense with the trouble TNA is in and the trouble GFW is having gaining momentum.

 
Sigma said:
I really enjoy watching the weekly playlist of Impact on YouTube. It takes less than 10 minutes and I get my fix and since the clips are only a couple of minutes long, everything runs together just like watching a full episode of Impact!
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I can see that, but 10 minutes for the whole program? That doesn't speak well to the matches they're showing, I suppose. (or does it?)

Dirt sheets noted that Eric Young had some choice words for anti-fans via Twitter. I get the idea of not wanting to see a company go out of business, so I can empathize. I still don't care for and can't get engaged with the Impact product, though. Can I blame Rockstar Spud? Everything about that guy; awful.

 
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tangytangerine said:
Rumor going around is that Slammiversary was TNA's final PPV. As some people noticed that certain personalities(like Borash) were basically saying their goodbyes during the PPV. Jarrett's also planning to bring the KOTM title to GFW and defend it there. So it does make you wonder wtf is going on with TNA.

Make me wonder what they'll do with Bound for Glory(if there is one). But it might turn out to be like what they've done with Destination X & Lockdown, turning into a special edition of Impact.
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BFG last year was a joke. It was basically a house show in Japan and had no business being called Bound for Glory. It would be like WWE billing a live event on a Thursday in Peoria as Wrestlemania.

mykevermin said:
I can see that, but 10 minutes for the whole program? That doesn't speak well to the matches they're showing, I suppose. (or does it?)

Dirt sheets noted that Eric Young had some choice words for anti-fans via Twitter. I get the idea of not wanting to see a company go out of business, so I can empathize. I still don't care for and can't get engaged with the Impact product, though. Can I blame Rockstar Spud? Everything about that guy; awful.
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Except those suits, am I right?

 
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The opening was pretty good and at least entertaining throughout much of its 18 minutes. Miz was hilarious during Show-Mark, which was nothing. Ryback-Miz was nothing, and Paige beating Alicia via rollup was whatever. Bellas are now back as heels this week after apparently being faces last week. AMAZING Cena-Cesaro match. Owens attacked them both, which was perfect. In one night, they've remade Cesaro...if they want to. 

Lana and Dolph thiing was largely awful. Nice catfight between Lana and Summer though. Dean's homoerotic promo with Roman backstage was amusing. Neville had a nothing match with Sheamus and lost. Swagger is now beneath Barrett. Fast action to start, but we get a POST-BREAK CHINLOCK of course. Heels won thanks to the numbers game, Dean jobbed, and Roman ate five billion moves and the show FINALLY ended with a Sister Abigail.

http://jayreviewsthings.blogspot.com/2015/06/wwe-raw-6-29-15.html

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What the hell? DirecTV didn't record Raw tonight. My DVR skipped the live airing in favor of a replay listed for 6 P.M. Eastern tomorrow. That makes me mad.

EDIT: 4 Facebook friends confirmed that the same thing happened to them.
 
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That match between Cesaro and Cena was a banger last night! Cena has really been impressive this year, especially these last few months. Loved that Owens caused the DQ as well, makes everyone involved look good and hopefully will give Cesaro something to do while Kidd is gone. Love to Cesaro in a feud with Owens and Cena, KO has the ability to feud with 100 guys at once it seems. He's currently feuding with Cena, Joe, and Balor already, why not throw Cesaro into that mix as well. 

 
Matt Young said:
What the hell? DirecTV didn't record Raw tonight. My DVR skipped the live airing in favor of a replay listed for 6 P.M. Eastern tomorrow. That makes me mad.

EDIT: 4 Facebook friends confirmed that the same thing happened to them.
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Watch Cena/Cesaro. Skim the rest.

 
Tag title match was good, but not quite great until the end. EC3 vs. Kurt had a big match feel, but wasn't as good as EC3 vs. Spud, which just seems wrong. KOs 3-way was fine, and the Jeff-Tenay interview was nothing. It wasn't even surface-level as they didn't even show him winning the KOTM Title. Still, this was a really easy show to sit through, and like how they set up Drew vs. the world for the elimination match that suddenly became a "this faction must end" match for some reason.

http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/100-tna/43364-tna-impact-july-1-tv-results-and-recap-ec3-vs-kurt-angle-world-title-match

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Cesaro is attractive, fit as fuck, and incredibly strong. I think the "WWE Machine" (i.e., Vince McMahon and the Tom of Finland fantasy world he still has in terms of who he prefers to push) really wants the guy to work.

The thing against Cesaro is that, either he's no good at promos or WWE is coaching/scripting him poorly. He has *so much* going for him it baffles the mind. We know WWE is reluctant to continually push someone strictly for being a good worker (contrast Bray Wyatt's career path vs Cesaro's).

What does he need? A few key wins? A catch phrase the crowd can sing-along to? Paul Heyman (didn't they try that once?).

He's always been on the cusp of greatness, but needs that "intangible" to take it to the next level. That is, unless they let him start doing like fuckin' crossfit competitions and pushing him to that crowd (effectively pursuing a new market rather than trying to shoehorn him into a typical WWE market).

 
mykevermin said:
Cesaro is attractive, fit as fuck, and incredibly strong. I think the "WWE Machine" (i.e., Vince McMahon and the Tom of Finland fantasy world he still has in terms of who he prefers to push) really wants the guy to work.

The thing against Cesaro is that, either he's no good at promos or WWE is coaching/scripting him poorly. He has *so much* going for him it baffles the mind. We know WWE is reluctant to continually push someone strictly for being a good worker (contrast Bray Wyatt's career path vs Cesaro's).

What does he need? A few key wins? A catch phrase the crowd can sing-along to? Paul Heyman (didn't they try that once?).

He's always been on the cusp of greatness, but needs that "intangible" to take it to the next level. That is, unless they let him start doing like fuckin' crossfit competitions and pushing him to that crowd (effectively pursuing a new market rather than trying to shoehorn him into a typical WWE market).
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The thing with Cesaro is that he doesn't really need to talk much. His work in the ring speaks volumes, my girlfriend absolutely loves Cesaro and the crowds all seem to react to Cesaro everywhere he goes. It's just a mater of WWE knowing they have something with him, but they can't seem to figure out what to do with the guy. I personally think they could go a sort of Chris Benoti route with his character, Benoit was never known for his mic work, but excelled due to his skills inside the ring. Cesaro could be built up a similar way and I think it would work, he needs to be in the IC title picture right now and competing for that belt. Not only would Cesaro elevate the competition when it comes to the IC title, but he would make guys like the Ryback look great in the ring. Maybe even have Nattie come out with him while Tyson is gone and when Tyson returns have him feud with Cesaro over the IC title.

 
Defying the odds and making his entrance music tolerable. Testament to Cesaro's ability to put himself over no matter what. Goddamn is that music terrible. Might as well release Swagger and give back that music to Cesaro.

 
I Always thought Cesaro looked like an alternate universe Dave Attell (from the Comedy Central 90's show, Insomniac) if he were to not be a comedian and drink and instead grew up in Switzerland and worked out alot. With that being said, even if he didn't have sheer amazing wrestling talent, I'd still pop for him because of that alone.

Also it's weird that Cena and the US title belt have become the highlight for me on Raw now.

 
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There's the gimmick! Cesaro goes out in each city, drinks with fans, tells a bunch of filthy sex jokes, and snaps photos of it all with a disposable camera.
 
Oh, agreed 100% that his music is the drizzling shits.

I don't think we can simply say "make him silent and intense." The guy has great variety in his facial expressions, and that should be a part of his arsenal.

Also, it's not particularly creative to say "if he can't talk, then he won't talk - AND he'll get over!" I suspect that's the kind of gesture where wrestlers and creative have a laugh at the expense of internet fans.

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geM7g2l88BE

Some of the editing in here is awesome.  Like Sting from Sgt Pepper to the Crow and Hogan to Hollywood.

 
Cesaro HAD an extremely over catchphrase in "We the people@ when he was with swagger in the real Americans. Then they broke them up. Then they tried pairing him with Heyman.

I'm not going to pretend to know what will get him over the hump, but I like his work.
 
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Just started watching the beast in the east special, great so far. I love the Japanese fans. Jericho is real fat now but can still go. I wish WWE could be more like this all of the time.
 
I think the problem is that they keep duck taping him into someone else's gimmick. I think the Superior Champion of an Inferior Nation gimmick could of worked out fine if they didn't decide he needed to be a face. I also think he probably needs his own manager and not one that's he's just renting like Paul Heyman / Zeb Coulter. 

 
Maybe the answer is consistency, then. So many of y'all point out that he's never in the same place for very long, so it's hard to invest in a character when you feel WWE is gonna get wishy-washy on them and change direction in 4 months.

Maybe (maybe I'm just selfish) he should go to NXT and feud with the champion for the next six months. He hardly needs the in-ring training, but so few of those guys in NXT do (outside of Baron Corbin, who is the opposite of Cesaro - everything BUT the in-ring talent. good lord, he's bad).

 
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Loved Jericho-Neville - it was just what it needed to be. Divas title triple threat was a thing. BROCK-KOFI WAS PERFECT. Kofi took a great ass-kicking, but had enough from Kofi to where he didn't look like a total chump. Loved New Day being beaten up too - I now want Brock-Big E. Balor-Owens was just perfect. It had drama from beginning to end, and we got to see the WWE debut of BLOODY SUNDAY! "Fujiyami" celebration with Balor was nice. Glad to see Finn win it - they're doing everything right with him so far.

http://jayreviewsthings.blogspot.com/2015/07/wwe-presents-brock-lensar-beast-in-east.html

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JaytheGamefan said:
Loved Jericho-Neville - it was just what it needed to be. Divas title triple threat was a thing. BROCK-KOFI WAS PERFECT. Kofi took a great ass-kicking, but had enough from Kofi to where he didn't look like a total chump. Loved New Day being beaten up too - I now want Brock-Big E. Balor-Owens was just perfect. It had drama from beginning to end, and we got to see the WWE debut of BLOODY SUNDAY! "Fujiyami" celebration with Balor was nice. Glad to see Finn win it - they're doing everything right with him so far.

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replays at 8pm est tonight might watch it then

 
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