Pro Wrestling discussion topic--WWE, AEW, ROH, Impact, New Japan, indies

slidecage said:
replays at 8pm est tonight might watch it then
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You can watch it whenever you want now. Just go to the replay and pick watch now.

It was a good show minus the Divas, and I didnt bother watching the tag match. Dolph Ziggler... Blegh...

 
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Partial NJPW Dominion Thoughts -

Skimmed through the show this morning - really enjoying spending a bit more time with the matches I cared about. Haven't gotten through everything, but the main event was an all-time great. All of the finishing stuff at the end...damn, that was Flair-Steamboat slick there. IC Title match had the right result, and the heavyweight tag title match was about what it needed to be and the best match between the teams so far.

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Killer weekend for wrestling with Beast from the East and NJPW's Dominion PPV. Really dug Neville and Jericho, great chemistry between those guys and Chris Jericho pulling out the Lion Tamer was excellent.

Balor vs. Owens was amazing, glad to see Balor win the title and Owens was at the top of his heel game in Japan, dude is the best heel WWE has seen in the last decade. 

As for NJPW, I haven't had a chance to watch the whole show. I did watch Styles vs. Okada though and that was one hell of a match and I really enjoyed the finish. 

Pretty stoked for Raw tonight as well, Owens is going to be in top heel form and he is sure to be very unhappy right now. 

 
ProfessorStotch said:
Finn Balor has the dumbest finishing move I've ever seen.
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You obviously haven't seen Solomon Crowe's finisher yet, it's the worst.

Balor did pull out his true finisher on Saturday against Kevin Owens though. He hit the Bloody Sunday early on in the match, but of course one with the double foot stomp, which is indeed a lame finisher, especially since Lo-Ki does it as a finisher and he makes the move look a lot more brutal too.

 
Sigma said:
You obviously haven't seen Solomon Crowe's finisher yet, it's the worst.

Balor did pull out his true finisher on Saturday against Kevin Owens though. He hit the Bloody Sunday early on in the match, but of course one with the double foot stomp, which is indeed a lame finisher, especially since Lo-Ki does it as a finisher and he makes the move look a lot more brutal too.
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Yeah, Low Ki does it perfectly even when he let out a high pitched yell before doing it. Balor looks like he slipped as soon as his feet makes contact with their body.

And I always hated Wade Barret's Wasteland as a finisher. It looks like a lazy Attitude Adjustment, which in turn was a lazy F5. That or Edge's flying hug if we're not counting TLC highlight spot.

 
bardockkun said:
Yeah, Low Ki does it perfectly even when he let out a high pitched yell before doing it. Balor looks like he slipped as soon as his feet makes contact with their body.

And I always hated Wade Barret's Wasteland as a finisher. It looks like a lazy Attitude Adjustment, which in turn was a lazy F5. That or Edge's flying hug if we're not counting TLC highlight spot.
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I always wanted him to get an endorsement deal and call it the Nerf Spear™.

 
I hope they explain in the game why Austin buried his old belt. Or if it wasn't him, is he going to find out who did it and get revenge?

I bet it was Steve Blackman.
 
That Dianna girl from Tough Enough reminds me so much of Taryn Terrell in the face, with a little bit of Kaley Cuoco mixed in. Too bad she quit.
 
Matt Young said:
That Dianna girl from Tough Enough reminds me so much of Taryn Terrell in the face, with a little bit of Kaley Cuoco mixed in. Too bad she quit.
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Yea, I liked the shorts she was wearing when she left though. Giorgia is easily the best of the women and SHOULD win it. With the way they have people vote who knows.

There really doesnt seem like anyone good on the mens side. ZZ has the personality but too out of shape at the moment. Patrick seems like such a tool, he knows and loves the product and may even be good in the ring, but he is SO boring. If he wasnt such a kiss up I think he should be in the bottom for the same reason that Sarah Lee always is.

I wish we got to see more of the in ring stuff so we could actually see who can and cannot wrestle. The big guy has the look and maybe the personality but something tells me hes terrible in the ring. No way to know.

 
MushaOne said:
Yea, I liked the shorts she was wearing when she left though. Giorgia is easily the best of the women and SHOULD win it. With the way they have people vote who knows.

There really doesnt seem like anyone good on the mens side. ZZ has the personality but too out of shape at the moment. Patrick seems like such a tool, he knows and loves the product and may even be good in the ring, but he is SO boring. If he wasnt such a kiss up I think he should be in the bottom for the same reason that Sarah Lee always is.

I wish we got to see more of the in ring stuff so we could actually see who can and cannot wrestle. The big guy has the look and maybe the personality but something tells me hes terrible in the ring. No way to know.
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This is the weakest group of any Tough Enough IMO. Patrick is a bit of a tool, but I think it's partially due to filling like everyone else on the show doesn't care about the business. Patrick was the only one to check out Beast from the East and generally seems to be the only one who really follows the product and wrestling as a whole. ZZ is interesting for reality TV, but seeing him wrestle on a weekly basis would be cringe inducing. The big dude with the dumb haircut just doesn't do it for me, something about the way he looks and his personality that I just don't care for. Everyone else on the show is incredibly uninteresting and forgettable. The women are all bland, the most interesting one was the Asian girl who was sent home for medical reasons.

 
Was a bit surprised to see Vaudevillians as #1 contenders for the NXT tag titles last night. Mostly because Blake and Murphy vs Vaudevillains is something I can't imagine anyone having interest in (though I tend to waver on whether or not I think they're acceptable heels).

Saw a headline for a recap of last night's TNA that says "Dixie Carter returns" and I know I make the right decision, week in and week out, to not give a flying fuck about that promotion. It's always been a plaything for a rich kid who's a mark for herself.

 
mykevermin said:
Was a bit surprised to see Vaudevillians as #1 contenders for the NXT tag titles last night. Mostly because Blake and Murphy vs Vaudevillains is something I can't imagine anyone having interest in (though I tend to waver on whether or not I think they're acceptable heels).

Saw a headline for a recap of last night's TNA that says "Dixie Carter returns" and I know I make the right decision, week in and week out, to not give a flying fuck about that promotion. It's always been a plaything for a rich kid who's a mark for herself.
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Vaudevillians as #1 contenders is a good thing IMO. It means they can get Enzo and Cass moved up sooner, I don't think they need to win the tag-titles in NXT and could go to the main roster at any time now and be hugely over, they are both more entertaining than just about everyone else on NXT and the main roster right now.

 
mykevermin said:
I really really dig Enzo and Cass, but you think they are main roster ready?

Nuh-uh.
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Oh yeah, they have been ready for the main-roster for awhile now. Enzo isn't the greatest wrestler in the world, but he has gotten quite a bit better as of late. The thing with Enzo and Cass is the entertainment factor they bring, when they have the mics they are always on the money and they are a good enough tag-team that they could put on some entertaining matches. I think the crowd would immediately be into the act and I have noticed an influx of How You Doin? and SAWFT! shirts in the crowds lately. WWE needs to strike while the iron is hot with these two. They don't need to win the NXT tag-titles and the they don't need to immediately win the WWE tag-titles, they are over without the belts, but need to move out of NXT before they lose steam. Aside from Enzo and Cass another guy who needs to immediately get out of NXT is Tyler Breeze, I think at this point he has been in developmental longer than anyone else.

 
I'm totally with you on Tyler Breeze. I could see him doing something with Fandango right off the bat. It's strange to see someone floundering in NXT, but he seems kinda lost lately - like the upper card guy who loses all the time but still remains over? Like NXT's Kane or Mark Henry.

I can't put my finger on why I don't see Enzo and Cass as ready. Maybe it just feels like their characters are indie-at-best. Which, please don't misunderstand, I fuckin' LOVE when they're on NXT, and I find myself sincerely disappointed if they're not. They're a solid tag team, too. Maybe, to me, their whole pre-match spiel is too long, or too geographically specific (hard-g, phonetically, I mean, Long Islanders!). Like they would have been MAD over in ECW 1999, which is precisely why I don't think it would work on Raw.

Maybe I'm dead wrong? I'd be delighted to see those guys get a HOW YOU DOIN chant from 13K strong on a Monday night. If so, great.

Speaking of ECW, it's funny that, for as long as Vince has tried to kill the ECW vibe, the thing that did it was NXT. Replacing a legacy of beloved wrestling by creating a new beloved wrestling company.

 
mykevermin said:
I'm totally with you on Tyler Breeze. I could see him doing something with Fandango right off the bat. It's strange to see someone floundering in NXT, but he seems kinda lost lately - like the upper card guy who loses all the time but still remains over? Like NXT's Kane or Mark Henry.

I can't put my finger on why I don't see Enzo and Cass as ready. Maybe it just feels like their characters are indie-at-best. Which, please don't misunderstand, I fuckin' LOVE when they're on NXT, and I find myself sincerely disappointed if they're not. They're a solid tag team, too. Maybe, to me, their whole pre-match spiel is too long, or too geographically specific (hard-g, phonetically, I mean, Long Islanders!). Like they would have been MAD over in ECW 1999, which is precisely why I don't think it would work on Raw.

Maybe I'm dead wrong? I'd be delighted to see those guys get a HOW YOU DOIN chant from 13K strong on a Monday night. If so, great.

Speaking of ECW, it's funny that, for as long as Vince has tried to kill the ECW vibe, the thing that did it was NXT. Replacing a legacy of beloved wrestling by creating a new beloved wrestling company.
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Vince tried to turn ECW into something similar to what NXT currently is. I still think the WWE version of ECW would have worked if it wasn't called ECW. They should have known better to take such a beloved brand with an extremely dedicated fan base and turn it into something that it wasn't and something that no one had asked for. ECW One Night Stand should have been exactly that, but it spiraled into how much can we milk this cow and the legacy of ECW suffered as a result. ECW wasn't a terrible show though and if branded differently could still be around today.

 
"According to Pwinsider.com, CZW signed a deal today that will see the promotion run live PPV events on traditional PPV outlets. Steve Karel of Stonecutter Wrestling (Urban Wrestling Federation and other taped PPV wrestling shows) was at today’s CZW event to finalize the deal with CZW owner DJ Hyde. Stonecutter will be producing and distributing the events. The deal has reportedly been in the works for some time, and more details are expected this week."

I'm having a tough time deciding if this is a good idea, a bad idea or just a joke.

 
Dr. Venkman said:
"According to Pwinsider.com, CZW signed a deal today that will see the promotion run live PPV events on traditional PPV outlets. Steve Karel of Stonecutter Wrestling (Urban Wrestling Federation and other taped PPV wrestling shows) was at today’s CZW event to finalize the deal with CZW owner DJ Hyde. Stonecutter will be producing and distributing the events. The deal has reportedly been in the works for some time, and more details are expected this week."

I'm having a tough time deciding if this is a good idea, a bad idea or just a joke.
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CZW has a pretty dedicated fan base and they do have some great matches from time to time, but the death matches and all the insane hardcore stuff isn't for me and isn't what I would consider pro wrestling either. I'm all for a big hardcore death match, but that should only be to end a long running feud and remain something special, the types of matches and insane stunts they pull in CZW just aren't safe and it's tough to watch sometimes.

CZW is sadly also most well known for botching due to being a consistent part of Botchamania for years now.

 
First hour wasn't much beyond the NXT divas stuff, which was played up as a revolution, but really didn't feel like a big deal. It felt like something WWE would call a big deal - like WWE Fatal Four Way. Loved the Rusev vs. Cesaro vs. Owens match. It really made everyone seem like a star, except for Owens.

Rusev came off like a total face here. Moreso when his fairly-earned shot was taken from him by an Owens cheapshot. The Stardust gimmick continuing was pretty stupid. Just make him Cody again, have him cut a great promo - because he can, and give him the IC Title and see what happens. Main event contract signing dragged on a bit, but wasn't really long - and I did enjoy Brock just flipping the table around with one hand like it was nothing. I loved Seth being a super-dick to Kane, although it feels like they've gone done this exact same road many times. Maybe Suplex City has a lot of roundabouts.

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Goddamn, Cesaro/Rusev/Owens. Amazing stuff, really solidified Rusev coming back from injury.

Does it hurt Cesaro to take three consecutive losses? Or is it moot since he's getting over by holding his own (also: goddamn on that stall suplex. What absurd strength, almost makes me a believer in crossfit.)

 
mykevermin said:
Goddamn, Cesaro/Rusev/Owens. Amazing stuff, really solidified Rusev coming back from injury.

Does it hurt Cesaro to take three consecutive losses? Or is it moot since he's getting over by holding his own (also: goddamn on that stall suplex. What absurd strength, almost makes me a believer in crossfit.)
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I don't think a loss hurts Ceasro. The triple threat was handled perfectly last night with Owens walking out, Cesaro putting on a clinc, and Rusev getting a win on his return match on Raw. Made all three guys look good IMO.

Really solid episode all around though. Love the idea of a Neville and Stardust feud, the NXT women taking over was amazing and really just a feel good moment that will go down in history. NXT is taking over Monday nights and I for one can't get enough of it.

 
Agreed on Neville/Stardust. Something about Stardust's promo gave me a great childhood nostalgia trip, like I was watching SNME or somesuch. The music and background perhaps helped there.

 
I can't stand people whining "WE WANTED CODY" - no you fucking don't. If "Cody" shows up, he gets a 3 week sympathy push and then he's feuding with guys that are already doomed and he jobs to Neville in that same match. Stardust hasn't been handled particularly well, but at least he HAS something with Stardust that they can work with. I thought his stuff last night was really good. Not thrilled about the apparent feud coming up with an actor, but at least it means there are plans for him.

The divas stuff was awful. I get that people are excited about some of the more talented females showing up, but Sasha Banks should have been a night after Wrestlemania debut where she wins the title, not some also-ran in a Bellas storyline. If they're going to do this, bring up Charlotte and have her team with Paige. That's plenty. Now she's just one of three, in a ring that already had 6 other people in it.

 
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Are you saying you want a diva debut leading to a title change every year on the night after Wrestlemania?

 
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I think the simpler point is that debuting three people at once is an easy-peasy way to lose someone in the shuffle.

Also, Becky Lynch is not quite there yet, IMO. She flobbles about the ring in her entrance like a Tough Enough contestant on week 7 of a 12-week series. Getting it somewhat, but still quite raw. No pun intended.

 
mykevermin said:
I think the simpler point is that debuting three people at once is an easy-peasy way to lose someone in the shuffle.

Also, Becky Lynch is not quite there yet, IMO. She flobbles about the ring in her entrance like a Tough Enough contestant on week 7 of a 12-week series. Getting it somewhat, but still quite raw. No pun intended.
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But how does she look when they shove the camera up her crack and Jay screengrabs it?

 
Not sure of the interest in Tough Enough here, but last night on Tough Talk, Patrick absolutely killed Mada in an impromptu promo battle.  It wasn't the greatest promo in the world, but for being on the spot and carrying himself the way he did Patrick looked and sounded like a real pro. I think this kid has a huge upside, especially only being 19 years old. I'd be shocked if he didn't win the contest at this point.

 
I have zero interest in TE, but that sounds interesting. Funny how they seem to stress off-the-cuff promos as an important skill for training to be a wrestler, and then WWE programming (still?) scripts, word-for-word, like fuckin' *everyone's* promos with the exception of Cena, Heyman, and perhaps 1-2 other guys.

I'm more into Stardust recently (good promo on Monday, he's clearly *feeling* the character, and so on), but apparently some fans thought he should return as Cody Rhodes?

Cody makes the point quite clear on Twitter, and I couldn't agree more: "Troubled seeing some people think I’d allow or be comfortable w/the worst thing that’s ever happened to me be exploited on TV for a ‘return.'”

 
mykevermin said:
Cody makes the point quite clear on Twitter, and I couldn't agree more: "Troubled seeing some people think I’d allow or be comfortable w/the worst thing that’s ever happened to me be exploited on TV for a ‘return.'”
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I agree as well but I feel like that's against the norm for Pro Wrestling. When Jerry Lawler had that heart attack wasn't Punk using it to get heat like the next week.

Also didn't Chavo break out of that terrible gimmick he was doing when Eddie died?

I understand Cody's point but I feel like wrestlers have a different attitude towards death, a more "anything goes for the business" attitude.

 
mykevermin said:
I have zero interest in TE, but that sounds interesting. Funny how they seem to stress off-the-cuff promos as an important skill for training to be a wrestler, and then WWE programming (still?) scripts, word-for-word, like fuckin' *everyone's* promos with the exception of Cena, Heyman, and perhaps 1-2 other guys.

I'm more into Stardust recently (good promo on Monday, he's clearly *feeling* the character, and so on), but apparently some fans thought he should return as Cody Rhodes?

Cody makes the point quite clear on Twitter, and I couldn't agree more: "Troubled seeing some people think I’d allow or be comfortable w/the worst thing that’s ever happened to me be exploited on TV for a ‘return.'”
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Same here with the actual show, but Tough Talk is quite good and provides all you need in 30 minutes and every week Patrick is gold when he shuts up the competition and makes them look like fools every week. I don't think I could handle watching the actual TE show on USA though, seems like a mess and when Patrick and Chelsea are both so far ahead of the rest of the competition in terms of experience, talent, and actual knowledge of the product it makes the show even more boring. ZZ is entertaining, but lacks skill, charisma, and just about everything else and is clearly only on the cast because of how great of a reality TV character he is.

 
This is one of those moments where you need to check for legal reasons and not take a wrestler's word for granted. TNA taped shows last month with a certain wrestler returning, even though he's under contract with another company. They now have to edit him out of the taped shows, which screws up the storyline. This is one of many things that makes TNA look like bush league compared to WWE.

Warning the quote contains spoilers

As noted earlier, Shawn Hernandez recently returned to TNA Wrestling and became part of the Beat Down Clan. At the time he signed with the company, he claimed that he was not under contract with any other wrestling promotion, however that is not the case.

After TNA taped several segments and matches that included him, Lucha Underground, who he previously worked with before TNA, reached out to TNA claiming that he was still under contract with them.

Hernandez was not released from his obligations to Lucha Underground, therefore he could not legally appear on broadcasts of Impact Wrestling. TNA officials attempted to work out an agreement with Lucha Underground that would allow the existing footage to be used, but Lucha Underground wasn’t interested and turned the offer down.

TNA will now have to film material at their next set of TV Tapings later this month so they can fill in the gaps where they remove Hernandez from future broadcasts.
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tangytangerine said:
This is one of those moments where you need to check for legal reasons and not take a wrestler's word for granted. TNA taped shows last month with a certain wrestler returning, even though he's under contract with another company. They now have to edit him out of the taped shows, which screws up the storyline. This is one of many things that makes TNA look like bush league compared to WWE.

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I read this last night and got some good lawls out of it. I knew something was up with Hernandez when he showed up in TNA again recently, I'm pretty sure the Lucha Underground contracts are all pretty strict when it comes to wrestling on TV. TNA should have hired Tyson Kidd to check some facts before they decided to film over a month of TV with Hernandez.

I feel the worst for the other members of the BDC who are all going to be off TV because of TNA being ran by a bunch of idiots.

 
Matt Young said:
Man... guys who I've been photographed with have not had good luck after joining the BDC. That makes 3.
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It's more of a problem for the actual Impact show because they have essentially lost a ton of content and will now have to show old matches for weeks on weeks to cover for the time those segments had taken up. Most people who follow TNA have likely seen the spoilers well in advance anyway so they know what should have aired, but it still sucks for the BDC as they will have to pretend the last month of story development never happened. TNA's ratings are already so bad though that this can't hurt the ratings any more.

 
KaneRobot said:
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Sounds about right. Everyone wanted this match, now that we have seen Sting lose to HHH and tarnished the match they will give it to us. I really wish that they would have done that match last year as either Takers last or second to last. Both these guys are really pushing their limits in ring pretty hard right now and its both showing in their matches and hair lines. I really do believe they have likely missed the boat on a truely epic match between the two, taker has just looked too gassed the last two Wrestlemanias and even if Sting can go in the ring age is claiming his body all the same.

 
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