Pro Wrestling discussion topic--WWE, AEW, ROH, Impact, New Japan, indies

What I really dig about the talk of Bully as a great heel that two companies are missing out on is that I would have *never* bet on him to be at this stage in his career ever, let alone now. His physical and persona transformations are nothing short of remarkable.

With the kind of myopic thinking in WWE (where they more or less don't acknowledge the existence of any companies other than their own), I wonder if they think the WWE UNIVERSE™ (who clearly doesn't watch wrestling other than WWE ever, durr) would buy into him as heel.

I mean, that seems like pretty plausible numbskull corporate WWE thinking - we didn't make him heel, so the crowd doesn't know about it.

See also: whatever shithouse name they give to Samoa Joe after he signs. (though that's more Punk's fault, I suspect.)

 
mykevermin said:
What I really dig about the talk of Bully as a great heel that two companies are missing out on is that I would have *never* bet on him to be at this stage in his career ever, let alone now. His physical and persona transformations are nothing short of remarkable.

With the kind of myopic thinking in WWE (where they more or less don't acknowledge the existence of any companies other than their own), I wonder if they think the WWE UNIVERSE™ (who clearly doesn't watch wrestling other than WWE ever, durr) would buy into him as heel.

I mean, that seems like pretty plausible numbskull corporate WWE thinking - we didn't make him heel, so the crowd doesn't know about it.

See also: whatever shithouse name they give to Samoa Joe after he signs. (though that's more Punk's fault, I suspect.)
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Fiji Freddy

 
LoveLost said:
Oh I have a feeling we haven't seen Angle at his lowest yet. One day I'm sure DDP will have to save him from himself too. Even reading that article i have a hard time believing Angle isn't lying about half the stuff. He sure makes Dixie out to look good and that she takes care of her Wrestlers. That is still contradictory to what everyone who has had to deal with that company expresses.
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Yeah Angle should say that to Daphney or any of the non top 5 wrestlers who got injured while in TNA.
 
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It is really annoying how the WWE doesn't acknowledge other promotions. Sting is a prime example, they acted like he was inactive for the last decade, when most people know he was on TV for TNA on a pretty regular basis that entire time and even had a run with a different take on his character with the Joker Sting. WWE would do well to acknowledge these things and it would benefit the entire wrestling business and make things seem more legit. WWE gives the product such a sheltered feeling.

 
Sigma said:
It is really annoying how the WWE doesn't acknowledge other promotions. Sting is a prime example, they acted like he was inactive for the last decade, when most people know he was on TV for TNA on a pretty regular basis that entire time and even had a run with a different take on his character with the Joker Sting. WWE would do well to acknowledge these things and it would benefit the entire wrestling business and make things seem more legit. WWE gives the product such a sheltered feeling.
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Agreed. The ironic part of this is that if he hadn't been in TNA for 10 years and stayed in the spotlight then WWE would have had zero interest in him.

 
I love how they shit on Sting "going down with the ship" which to me says "I didn't jump to WWE because I was under guaranteed contract and hey its free money now" when other WCW guys did the same damn thing. (Goldberg, Nash, Sting, Hall, etc)
 
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Call me crazy but I'm not hating Cena coming out defending the US Title like he has. That match against Star Dust was awesome.
 
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It is definitely something that they've needed to be doing with both of the secondary belts for a while. It was always silly to me when the IC and US champs would wrestle and the belt wouldn't be on the line.
 
Halo05 said:
Samoa Joe will be named Tiki Dan when he arrives in the WWE. Bleeb dat
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More like in an effort to capitalize on merch sales in relation to a fellow Samoan going into the HoF this year, Samoa Joe will be packaged as a thong wearing surfer complete with his ass hanging out. He will be called Full Moon Joe, the Samoan Stinkface Machine.

 
Oh, dang. I think Berzerker nailed it.

Heel turn, along with Joe in the Diesel-big-guy-bodyguard role?

Easy.

 
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The big problem with TNA is also the one thing keeping it going: it's a rich kid's plaything (though perhaps the Carter family think that owning a wrestling promotion is like owning a sports franchise - the valuation of a potential sell-off is more than enough to offset year-over-year losses).

I would love to see ROH or NJPW get better tv deals (mainly so I can watch them). Also, if they get better tv deals, then dudes who work, say, NJPW and the indies can help indie shows more. Tama Tonga working some small town in Georgia on a Tuesday night will be a better draw if he's more accessible on basic cable, for instance.

TNA just isn't doing it for me anymore. NXT is great fun, and Raw is...okay. I don't have any major grievances about it, but I'm not passionate about it either. I can't recall the last time I watched Smackdown, even if I DVR it every week.

Maybe I've fallen out of love with TV pro wrestling - Colt Cabana talks about this a little bit in the into segment on his latest podcast (Roddy Piper part 1). He loves indie wrestling, not tv wrestling. I really, really see where he's coming from.

 
WWE Network added the Attitude Era Raws today. Really does me no good as I am watching WWE/WCW side by side in order and will be stuck at 1996. Hope they add 1997 Nitros and Raws within the next week or so.

 
Anybody watch The Best Of Sting? Did they do a good job with it, grabbed it from Walmart for $9.96. Want to know if it's one I should keep or return.

 
mykevermin said:
Maybe I've fallen out of love with TV pro wrestling - Colt Cabana talks about this a little bit in the into segment on his latest podcast (Roddy Piper part 1). He loves indie wrestling, not tv wrestling. I really, really see where he's coming from.
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I'm curious about what criteria you're using to draw the distinction here. Do you consider NXT "indie"?

 
Excellent start with Cena getting nuclear boos - dig Barrett just being there with a top guy again too. They had a fantastic TV match that made Barrett come off like a top guy again. IF they want to, they could use this as a springboard for him. His bull hammer hit perfectly and he even got to kick out of the AA. Loved Rusev's attack and him saying HE'LL TEAR HIS HEART OUT AT EXTREME RULES!

Divas battle royal was a showcase for Paige, who got a fantastic promo and came off like such a veteran despite being so young because she is one. She's also one of the few WWE acts that feels remotely genuine, and then Naomi attack - clearly upset over the Bellas saying she had a stank ass. Bray Wyatt did indeed say words about something and/or someone. Lucha Dragons beat The Ascension. Kalisto really does feel like he could be their Reyplacement. Then again, so did Sin Cara for a few weeks. They plug the Network - the big thing about them reaching high numbers is that they become the new on-air base. THE BIG DOG IS NEXT.

Loved Show destroying Roman. Orton vs. Cesaro and then Orton vs. CKidd was fine while it lasted. Great finish off the theoretical springboard blockbuster into the RKO. Ambrose-Rose was nothing. Ditto Stardust-Fandango, which at least led to THE RETURN OF FANDANGOING and him being a face. Kane-Seth took a while, but it seems like they could have something with Kane as a face again.

Mizdow vs. Miz was nothing, but it did establish the new Mizdow/Summer act. PTPs buried guys - didn't like the "rainbow is my favorite color" bit, but I did enjoy them burying the Puerto Rican bullfighter idea. Dolph vs. Neville was a good first and final part of a PPV opener, but it had no middle. Main event talking thing was fun thanks to Orton making wacky faces. Stips are a bit silly, but the match should be good.
 
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The crowd was split for roman again lol. Its funny that the crowd was telling big show to retire and then was also thanking him for keeping roman out of the title picture. lol

 
Liquid Metal said:
The crowd was split for roman again lol. Its funny that the crowd was telling big show to retire and then was also thanking him for keeping roman out of the title picture. lol
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When I went to NXT in Columbus, OH. Big Show wrestled Ryback and received the same Please Retire chants. He got on the mic and said he had 10 more years on his guaranteed contract and the crowd popped and started chanting 10 More Years. I hope he brings this out on TV as it was quite funny live.

 
I think the Big Show plays his role well. Although his booking of constant heel and face turns leave much to be desired.

There are not a lot of 7 foot tall 425 pound guys around and there are even less who can wrestle. He may not be as mobile as he once was, but he's still no where near as bad as the Great Khali. He's also only a few years away from being the same age as Andre the Giant when he passed, so I don't think you can expect too much at this point in his career.

His role now is to put people over. He'll probably never hold another major title, but that's ok. He gives young talent the ability to say that they slayed the giant.
 
bhk said:
I'm curious about what criteria you're using to draw the distinction here. Do you consider NXT "indie"?
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Sorta. The one-hour format is easy to digest, and the small crowd really reminds me of the NWA wrestling shows in the studio (pre-WCW, late Jim Crockett-era). The ramp and video screen are more artifacts of the last 15-20 years of WWE/WCW tee-vee wrestling, though.

More than anything, though, NXT matches have the capacity to be as good as ROH or other small-time "indie" promotions.

There's definitely a lot of WWE-style production in NXT that doesn't translate to "independent wrestling," but overall the product is solid. With 60 minutes (well, probably 52-54 minutes with breaks) to fill each week, there's absolutely zero pressure to fill time with talkie-talk-talkaroo segments like 3+ hour wrestling shows have.

Speaking of which: while I still watch Raw for the most part, I can't recall the last time I watched past 10:30 or so. (and it's not an I'm-too-old-and-going-to-bed thing.)

 
mykevermin said:
Speaking of which: while I still watch Raw for the most part, I can't recall the last time I watched past 10:30 or so. (and it's not an I'm-too-old-and-going-to-bed thing.)
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I'm in the same boat, I think it's because I'm doing something else and put RAW on in the background. So if I reach a natural stopping point in my primary activity (like reaching a checkpoint in a game) then I'll stop and stop watching RAW at the same time.

Truth be told I am old and need to go to bed so that's a part of it to :)

 
Apparently some of the TNA wrestlers have started to receive their late paychecks. So I guess news of them missing checks lit a fire under their ass.

mykevermin said:
The big problem with TNA is also the one thing keeping it going: it's a rich kid's plaything (though perhaps the Carter family think that owning a wrestling promotion is like owning a sports franchise - the valuation of a potential sell-off is more than enough to offset year-over-year losses).
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It's not just due to the Carter family now. Destination America apparently thinks they can call the shots in TNA too.

Another significant problem within TNA right now is Destination America. The network is reportedly calling a lot of the shots in TNA these days with the idea that they are paying TNA and running so many hours of their programming.

Destination America officials reportedly do not like TNA Impact Wrestling being taped from the UK. They do not know the pro wrestling business at all but they didn't like the idea of TV taped outside of America airing on their Destination America channel. Destination America may not have a problem with TNA running a yearly tour overseas but they have made it clear they want Impact taped in the US most of the time.

We noted before that Destination America officials wanted Kurt Angle to be the World Heavyweight Champion as they liked the idea of the champion on their network being an American gold medalist. They also are high on Taryn Terrell as Knockouts Champion because of her look.
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So apparently they're deciding who the champions are now. Also, they're annoyed that TNA filmed in the UK. WTF? TNA gets better crowds in the UK than they do in the US, so it's better for business.

 
I mean, let's be real: Destination America's other programming is like 23.5 hours a day of fried fucking carnival food cooking contests featuring people named "Skeeter."

So, y'know. TNA is in a lousy situation, then - but they got there by treading water for years. They did nothing innovative or unique while at Spike. They're in the shit now if DA is that controlling, sure.

 
TNA makes me sad... I wanted them to do well and I went to Lockdown 2007 when they had that stupid "electrified" steel cage. I don't know how they're still doing shows.
 
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TNA makes me sad... I wanted them to do well and I went to Lockdown 2007 when they had that stupid "electrified" steel cage. I don't know how they're still doing shows.
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I was at that Lockdown as well! I was in the second row and boy was that cage match stupid. I remember Beer Money and Team 3D selling it though, which was hilarious with the sound effects and flickering lights in the arena.

 
Since one of the Uso's is going to be out for roughly 6 months due to shoulder surgery, I am now thinking that Samoa Joe will be brought in as one of the cousin's or something to keep the tag team going. Probably end up be named Uso Fat Joe or something similar.

 
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Does Destination America know Taryn Terrell did some nudies? Doesn't really seem to fit with Olympic Gold Medalist on one side, porn star on the other.  I ditched that tier from my tv service that DA is on.  TNA and VH1 Classic were the only two things I cared about on there and TNA has been so bad since they went to DA I just decided to let them go.  I've watched TNA for many years and haven't cared about WWE at all...still don't; though I will occasionally tune in for the overrun.  I've tried watching New Japan...don't care for it.  RoH, at least the channel I get it on here, is one hour and all the commercials are about Jay Lethal selling me a knee brace.  The wrestling is good in RoH but because of the length of the show, I don't get to know the wrestlers and whether I like them or not.  I do like that Daniels and Kaz are there though.

 
Thank GOD!!!! Maybe someone can just fart into the mic for 2 hours and make more sense. For all the hate WWE announcers get, fucking taz is 100 times worse.

 
I just watched TNA this week (or last, not sure it was DVR).  It was way better than the last episode I saw but still has a ton of flaws.  Sucks to read DA wants them to continue taping in the US because unless they will pay to have them tape Impact in different cities, Orlando is the worst fucking crowds and venue and can kill the show itself.  All those corny tie ins with DA shows are also shitty.  Also sucks to hear DA is basically pushing the idea of super-white country cornbread USA champs but I guess they cater to that sort of crowd so it's not surprising.  

 
After WWE didn't even put the guy on NXT TV (as Slate Randall), I'm thrilled to see Shaun Ricker (Eli Drake now) get a shot in TNA. Been a big fan for 5 years or so due to his work as 1/2 of Natural Selection on local NWA shows with Brian Cage. They were managed by Percy Pringle. Ricker also went on to singles success in Championship Wrestling From Hollywood.
 
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