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[quote name='thrustbucket']OMG the leaked list from G4TV has a song named Panic Attack. It's either Dream Theater or Finger Eleven.

Please let it be Dream theater![/quote]

Sadly, I don't see any chance of this being Dream Theater. If you look, the songs are sorted by difficulty and it's Solid Songs. No way DT is tier 3 with Foo Fighters and RHCP.
 
I'll go with doc's advice. Go ahead and grab Rock Band disc only, and use a GH guitar and USB mic or headset for vocals...there is plenty of DLC for people just getting into it now to tide you over. Once Rock Band 2 shows up, it'll have presumably better instruments and you can grab that bundle instead.
 
[quote name='Limpbizkit182521']
EDIT: Boo for "Bad Reputation" and "We Got The Beat". Both have been in GH. I want new songs.[/QUOTE]

Same goes for Motorhead - Ace of Spades and Journey - Anyway you want it. And if you want to go even further, Foo Fighters - Everlong is rumored for GH:WT as well.

[quote name='dealer']Sadly, I don't see any chance of this being Dream Theater. If you look, the songs are sorted by difficulty and it's Solid Songs. No way DT is tier 3 with Foo Fighters and RHCP.[/QUOTE]

Damn you and your logic, I bet you are right. That sucks, I'm officially bummed now. Thanks. :lol:

[quote name='linkpwns']
My question is, since I don't own Rock Band yet, do you guys think I should hold out for Guitar Hero 4 instead? The Create-A-Song Mode, Nicer Drums, and Touch-Pad-Guitar sound awesome. Not to mention, "One Armed Scissor" by At the Drive-In will be included and I friggin love At The Drive In...[/QUOTE]

You are in the Rock Band thread... of course everyone is going to tell you to buy Rock Band over GH. There is a lot of hate for GH for some goofy reason. The divide between fans is almost of console fanboy proportions.

Personally, going off what we know now, I'd say GH:WT. Red Octane's instruments are guaranteed to deliver and not be shit like EA's. Plus the rumored artist list thus far is pretty impressive (the Eagles, Van Halen, Dream Theater, Jimi Hendrix, the Doors, Smashing Pumpkins, Korn, System of a Down, Ted Nugent, Ozzy Osbourne, Muse, Interpol, Linkin Park, Sublime, Lenny Kravitz, Foo Fighters, Billy Idol, Blink 182, At the Drive In, Aerosmith).

Not to mention if you get the GH guitar it will work in GHII, GHIII, GH:Aerosmith, GH4, GH: Metallica, Rock Band and Rock Band 2. If you get the Strat, you can only use it in Rock Band 1 & 2 and maybe GH: Aerosmith(seems to be hit or miss) and maybe GH4(obviously undetermined at this point) if you are lucky. So with the Les Paul you will have access to 7 games without another guitar investment vs. 2 (possibly 4) games with the Strat from Rock Band.

The only correct answer though is to wait until E3 in a week and a half. I'm sure both companies will pulling out all the stops to one up each other. Instruments, features and tracklists. Then decide.
 
[quote name='Corvin']
Damn you and your logic, I bet you are right. That sucks, I'm officially bummed now. Thanks. :lol:
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Don't be double sad as I just realized I responded with the same thing to your post on DVDTalk. :D
 
next weeks dlc
Release Date

Tuesday, July 8th (Xbox 360 Marketplace)

Thursday, July 10th (Playstation Store)



TRACKS

Red Hot Chili Peppers - Snow (Hey Oh)

Red Hot Chili Peppers - Tell Me Baby

Rush - Closer to the Heart

Rush - Working Man (alternate-take master)



All tracks are masters

PRICE:

All tracks are $1.99 (160 Microsoft Points).
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Why didn't they do Rush masters the first time around?

...

I'll buy it eventually even though I already have the existing cover version of Working Man.

For the RHCP I would've liked stuff off the older albums, out of all their popular singles those are basically the only two I wouldn't buy. Well, those two and that one where he just sings straight-up gibberish.
 
[quote name='anomynous']What's the difference between the working mans?[/quote]

"this version, however, is an alternate-take master from the same session they recorded the hit with an alternate solo. It has never been released."
 
AWESOME news on Rush!!!!! More Rush is always good, and getting the master of Working Man is fine by me, it's also an alternate version with a different guitar solo so even better. I guess the rumors of Moving Pictures may be true after all.

As far as RHCP....why oh why do we keep getting their new stuff??? Oh well I guess I will have to check the songs out but Dani California is pretty shitty, where are songs from their first few albums, also known as the good stuff?

Finally, if something was in a previous GH game it should have NO bearing whatsoever whether it is released in Rock Band. Totally different animal with drums and vox, so it's never a 'repeat' in that case. Plus the none of the GH games hold a candle to RB in terms of gameplay, if additional instruments weren't enough of a reason.
 
I wonder who decides what songs to put out?

Like RHCP, does Harmonix go to the record label and say we want to put RHCP on Rock Band. The label says okay you can put Snow and Tell Me Baby because they are the newest songs and would be good for us.

Or

Does Harmonix go to the record label and say we want to put Snow and Tell Me Baby on Rock Band.

I'm guessing the record labels say what they want to allow to be put on RB because those are crappy RHCP choices.
 
[quote name='porieux']Finally, if something was in a previous GH game it should have NO bearing whatsoever whether it is released in Rock Band. Totally different animal with drums and vox, so it's never a 'repeat' in that case.[/quote]

Totally agreed. Especially since a lot of songs in the older GH's were covers, and we're finally getting masters of those same songs. I have a rather long list of stuff from previous GH's that I would love to see in Rock Band.
 
[quote name='Mojimbo']Why didn't they do Rush masters the first time around?[/quote]
Nope, all been covers since Guitar Hero II...UNTIL NOW!

Also I think I'll be getting all those.
 
[quote name='bardockkun']Nope, all been covers since Guitar Hero II...UNTIL NOW!

Also I think I'll be getting all those.[/QUOTE]

He didn't ask whether the old ones were covers are not, he asked why they used covers up until this point. I am really pissed they are sticking a master version of working man after I bought the cover version. That is wack garbage and Harmonix should send the people who bought the cover codes for the new master version. I will grab Closer to the Heart, but that wack bullshit with Working Man pisses me off.

If nothing else, they should have stuck something else in the game that was a master. They have a huge catalog of songs that people would like to play, so there was no reason to stick this one in the game. All it did was leave a sour taste in my mouth.
 
[quote name='Limpbizkit182521']I wonder who decides what songs to put out?

Like RHCP, does Harmonix go to the record label and say we want to put RHCP on Rock Band. The label says okay you can put Snow and Tell Me Baby because they are the newest songs and would be good for us.

Or

Does Harmonix go to the record label and say we want to put Snow and Tell Me Baby on Rock Band.

I'm guessing the record labels say what they want to allow to be put on RB because those are crappy RHCP choices.[/QUOTE]

My theory on promotional tunes... the record label goes to Harmonix and says hey, we have X song by Y artist we want to promote. Harmonix: Sounds good but if we are going to help promote X song, We'd like to get A, B & C(popular tunes people want) for Rock Band 2 or DLC.


[quote name='porieux']
Finally, if something was in a previous GH game it should have NO bearing whatsoever whether it is released in Rock Band. Totally different animal with drums and vox, so it's never a 'repeat' in that case. Plus the none of the GH games hold a candle to RB in terms of gameplay, if additional instruments weren't enough of a reason.[/QUOTE]

One, if you mostly play guitar, then there is an argument to be made. I will concede the cover argument, because a lot of the covers are barely decent at best. Lastly, nearly every artist in these games has multiple hits, why go back to the well and use a song we've already gotten when there are many more from that artist to choose from? That's my sticking point.
 
But seriously Harmonix, why Working Man again?

The Spirit of The Radio or Far Cry or something should have been in it instead
 
[quote name='Corvin']One, if you mostly play guitar, then there is an argument to be made. I will concede the cover argument, because a lot of the covers are barely decent at best. Lastly, nearly every artist in these games has multiple hits, why go back to the well and use a song we've already gotten when there are many more from that artist to choose from? That's my sticking point.[/QUOTE]

If you mostly play guitar, you are missing out on the best parts of the game! That would be sad. But even if you do only play guitar, the gameplay in RB is so far above any GH game that it's like a whole new game. I definitely don't mind repeats of good songs, for example Kool Thing made perfect sense to release because the drum part is wicked.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']He didn't ask whether the old ones were covers are not, he asked why they used covers up until this point. I am really pissed they are sticking a master version of working man after I bought the cover version. That is wack garbage and Harmonix should send the people who bought the cover codes for the new master version. I will grab Closer to the Heart, but that wack bullshit with Working Man pisses me off..[/QUOTE]


It's $2. In no way shape or form should $2 get you that worked up, no matter how much of a Cheapass you are. Especially with something totally optional.

I for one am grateful to have the opportunity to buy it because I love this song. I am also sure this means more Rush masters are coming.
 
[quote name='porieux']It's $2. In no way shape or form should $2 get you that worked up, no matter how much of a Cheapass you are.[/quote]I'm with Casey on this one. It's fucking shady on Harmonix's part.
 
[quote name='porieux']AWESOME news on Rush!!!!! More Rush is always good, and getting the master of Working Man is fine by me, it's also an alternate version with a different guitar solo so even better. I guess the rumors of Moving Pictures may be true after all.

As far as RHCP....why oh why do we keep getting their new stuff??? Oh well I guess I will have to check the songs out but Dani California is pretty shitty, where are songs from their first few albums, also known as the good stuff?

Finally, if something was in a previous GH game it should have NO bearing whatsoever whether it is released in Rock Band. Totally different animal with drums and vox, so it's never a 'repeat' in that case. Plus the none of the GH games hold a candle to RB in terms of gameplay, if additional instruments weren't enough of a reason.[/quote]


Yeah. Wow. They went with pure shit from RHCP. Keep in mind this is from some one who has 8 of their cds...

More Rush is good. HMX should put one of the versions of Working man on sale for a buck. Calm down people who feel jipped.
 
[quote name='lanzarlaluna']I'm with Casey on this one. It's fucking shady on Harmonix's part.[/QUOTE]

It really is. I don't care if it is 2 dollars or 20 dollars, the principle of the matter is that I paid for a cover version and later they stuck the real thing up. They work on these songs months in advance so they knew exactly what they were doing.
 
[quote name='hhhdx4']Snow is a great song.[/quote]

I concur. I'm really excited for this one.

Also, I may have to break out the bells set from Middle School band class that's been in my garage for 20 years for "Closer to the Heart".
 
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[quote name='CaseyRyback']It really is. I don't care if it is 2 dollars or 20 dollars, the principle of the matter is that I paid for a cover version and later they stuck the real thing up. They work on these songs months in advance so they knew exactly what they were doing.[/QUOTE]


You're wrong. There is no way they did this intentionally. It's silly to suggest otherwise.
 
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[quote name='CaseyRyback']It really is. I don't care if it is 2 dollars or 20 dollars, the principle of the matter is that I paid for a cover version and later they stuck the real thing up. They work on these songs months in advance so they knew exactly what they were doing.[/QUOTE]


You're wrong. There is no way they did this intentionally. You think they went to all kinds of trouble
to get an extra $2? Think about it, it makes no sense. They aren't stupid.

Did it occur to anyone that Rush asked them to release the song?
Way more likely than these ridiculous conspiracy theories.

Seems like some people are just looking for negativity.
 
[quote name='porieux']You're wrong. There is no way they did this intentionally. You think they went to all kinds of trouble
to get an extra $2? Think about it, it makes no sense. They aren't stupid.

Did it occur to anyone that Rush asked them to release the song?
Way more likely than these ridiculous conspiracy theories.

Seems like some people are just looking for negativity.[/QUOTE]

You are being too apologetic. They do know what songs they are making months in advance, and if they knew they were going to be releasing a non cover version of the song they could have said something a long ass time ago. Instead they let shit ride and thought they would just slip out a new version and people would be happy to rebuy it.

Also if Rush asked them, then they should have worked out a deal for a reduced price or some compensation for those who bought the cover version. It is a double dip in the worst possible way. Even Activision isn't this bad.
 
Yes, Harmonix didnt intentionally release a cover of Working man if they knew Rush would just hand over the masters however many months later, plus it has a new some new stuff in it.


"going to be releasing a non cover version of the song they could have said something a long ass time ago. Instead they let shit ride and thought they would just slip out a new version and people would be happy to rebuy it."


The fact that you think this was intentional on their part is ridiculous, no one had the masters to any Rush songs up until this point, they told you it was a cover when you purchased it, and you intentionally purchased it. If they knew they were getting the master for this song when they released it they would not have done so, it makes no sense for them to do that for a song, lets be frank here, most will not purchase or did not in the first place.


edit: I havent had my xbox in a while, but I also remember a disclaimer about this specific type of thing when purchasing a song.
 
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Harmonix on replacing Working Man

"Not possible. They are two different files, with two different charts, and different possible scoring. The leaderboards would literally implode. Second of all we didn't screw anyone. Both versions of Working Man are optional. When we first put Working Man in the game the masters were not available. Lately they have been made available and Rush were stoked to get this version in game. You don't want it? Don't buy it. But to say that we are screwing you? That's absolutely untrue no matter what tact you take."
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']You are being too apologetic. They do know what songs they are making months in advance, and if they knew they were going to be releasing a non cover version of the song they could have said something a long ass time ago. Instead they let shit ride and thought they would just slip out a new version and people would be happy to rebuy it.

Also if Rush asked them, then they should have worked out a deal for a reduced price or some compensation for those who bought the cover version. It is a double dip in the worst possible way. Even Activision isn't this bad.[/QUOTE]



I'm not being apologetic, I just understand how the industry works and I know for a fact that you are wrong about this. But if you don't want to believe me, that's your business. I tried. I'm not a Harmonix employee and I have no vested interest here, so I will butt out of it now.
 
Well that settles that


But they really should have made it 80 points

So I wonder if this means there's gonna be master versions of Limelight & Tom Sawyer coming out?


Which therefore brings huge credibility to the Moving Pictures rumor
 
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[quote name='bardockkun']Anyone else hate that Rock Band for Wii commercial? Or is it just me and getting old and frustrated with teenagers?[/quote]

No, it sucks.

It doesn't help that they are "playing" Coheed and Cambria.
 
The Coheed hate here is quite disturbing.


edit: oh and Double bass pedal confirmed? You cant do the outro to Peace Sells without it.
 
Cant wait to pick up the new Peppers songs....

I have been playing this again now that school is over and am having a blast with friends. Can't wait for the second one to come out. Seems like customizing songs isnt going to be in store for #2...although I wonder what they will do...
 
have to say that is a crappy move to release a song that is already on the marketplace. I know they have a new solo, which I guess can be a selling point, but I wonder for drums if the note chart will stay the same.
 
[quote name='Razzuel']I don't understand all the new Working Man hate.[/QUOTE]

It's not really new........


it doesn't bug me, since I didn't download the cover, but I will likely get this one being that it is a master
 
[quote name='porieux']As far as RHCP....why oh why do we keep getting their new stuff??? Oh well I guess I will have to check the songs out but Dani California is pretty shitty, where are songs from their first few albums, also known as the good stuff?[/quote]

Because RHCP only made one good album before Californication, and even that one isn't nearly as good as the aforementioned along with By the Way and Stadium Arcadium. They were incredibly overrated before they decided to tone down the incredibly lame rap-rock/funk hybrid and decided to write good songs instead.
 
[quote name='evanft']Because RHCP only made one good album before Californication, and even that one isn't nearly as good as the aforementioned along with By the Way and Stadium Arcadium. They were incredibly overrated before they decided to tone down the incredibly lame rap-rock/funk hybrid and decided to write good songs instead.[/QUOTE]

You really think By the Way and Stadium Arcadium are better than Blood Sugar Sex Magik? By the Way, Californication and Stadium Arcadium all sound the same. Each to their own, I guess, but I've never met any RHCP fan who thought that those three are better than Blood Sugar.

There are also quite a few gems from before Blood Sugar, too.
 
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