Rock Band series - Rock Band 4 out now

Doesn't Green Day have three members? I think it's gonna be kind of weird to have four players playing three people.
 
[quote name='YourFace']Doesn't Green Day have three members? I think it's gonna be kind of weird to have four players playing three people.[/QUOTE]

They do. But like many power trios, they carry a fourth when they tour because the album recordings usually have many parts overdubbed. I get what you're saying, but there's definitely more than just 3 instruments going on in many of their songs. See this performance of "American Idiot" for an example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO9i7REhw1U

Ya know, now that I'm thinking about it, one of the biggest things I'm going to hate about this Green Day game is how some of the songs are going to be butchered to edit out the "bad words". It's one thing to do it for DLC, but if you're going to make a new $60 disc devoted to one specific band, that disc sure as hell needs to be true to that band's music. I can't even imagine how shitty "Longview" is going to be.
 
The argument that they need to have new product on retail shelves is idiotic.

The could be using the manpower that's being wasted on Green Day to quicken development on Rock Band 3, which would be a hell of a lot more important of a product than Green Day ever could.

Or EA. Don't forget that they're the publisher, and concentrated evil to boot.
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Actually, I believe that they are the distributor, and not directly involved in the games, creatively. I suppose I'm playing devil's advocate, but I could be wrong.

Isn't this exactly what they're doing? Make skins for the band, make a few stages, slap it all over the Beatles engine (look at the vocals in the video)...it isn't that much work, and it won't detract from development of anything else they're working on.
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And that's what's cheap and awful and cash-in-ish. The Beatles was so much more than that, which is why it was an acceptable exception.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Ya know, now that I'm thinking about it, one of the biggest things I'm going to hate about this Green Day game is how some of the songs are going to be butchered to edit out the "bad words". It's one thing to do it for DLC, but if you're going to make a new $60 disc devoted to one specific band, that disc sure as hell needs to be true to that band's music. I can't even imagine how shitty "Longview" is going to be.[/QUOTE]

Or "Holiday."

We can always hope that this might be the first unedited track pack. If Green Day refuses to edit their albums for Wal-Mart, maybe they'll do the same for Harmonix?

[quote name='seanr1221']I apologize, Walrus.[/QUOTE]

Not a problem. I figured I was wrong anyway. :lol:

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']The argument that they need to have new product on retail shelves is idiotic.

The could be using the manpower that's being wasted on Green Day to quicken development on Rock Band 3, which would be a hell of a lot more important of a product than Green Day ever could.[/QUOTE]

My problem with that argument is that this shouldn't take a lot of manpower. If they're using the Beatles engine, then most of the work for this project would be art assets and charting, neither of which are going to take a significant number of people from their staff of 300 or a huge amount of time. I don't see why this can't be a side project to a full-blown Rock Band 3.

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Actually, I believe that they are the distributor, and not directly involved in the games, creatively. I suppose I'm playing devil's advocate, but I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]

Wikipedia says publisher, although I don't know how much control they have over the game.

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']And that's what's cheap and awful and cash-in-ish. The Beatles was so much more than that, which is why it was an acceptable exception.[/QUOTE]

This is sort of a catch-22, isn't it? If it's a full-blown game, then it's too much and it's eating up development time; if it's a fancy track pack, then it isn't good enough to release under the Rock Band name. That leaves not releasing the tracks at all (which is a horrible idea, especially since it appears that Green Day is one of the few Rock Band exclusive bands) or releasing them all as DLC, which will result in much less profit. This seems like a middle road that will make the band, developer, publisher, and the majority of people who buy the game happy. From what I've seen so far, the only ones who are unhappy are a handful of anonymous internet posters, and the Left 4 Dead 2 and Modern Warfare 2 boycotts showed there wasn't really much impact when those people swore not to buy the games.

I've got faith in Harmonix, because every one of their games so far has been quality. I also think we should reserve calling it a cheap cash-in until we've seen more than a minute of what could very well be an alpha build of the game. Am I the only one who remembers the initial reaction to how "horrible" the Beatles Rock Band footage looked when it showed up at Coachella for the first time? We all know how well that game turned out; why not give this one the same benefit of the doubt?
 
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[quote name='Gothic Walrus']Or "Holiday."

We can always hope that this might be the first unedited track pack. If Green Day refuses to edit their albums for Wal-Mart, maybe they'll do the same for Harmonix?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, if that ends up being true, then I'd really be completely willing to give this game a pass just on the basis of being "groundbreaking". It would just seem counterproductive (in terms of marketing and sales) to release a standalone band-specific game and have it rated M. If Harmonix has the balls to do that, then I'll give them massive amounts of credit and would probably even buy the game day one to show my support for uncensored tracks.
 
Green Day? Really? God Damn, I know people listened to them in 6th grade and all, but I can't say I know a single person over the age of 13 who listens to them, and if you're over 13 and actually listen to them, you need a better taste in music ;/
 
[quote name='Cheapass24']Green Day? Really? God Damn, I know people listened to them in 6th grade and all, but I can't say I know a single person over the age of 13 who listens to them, and if you're over 13 and actually listen to them, you need a better taste in music ;/[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Haha, don't be silly, of course it'll be edited for a "T" rating.[/QUOTE]
You are a dick, Scott.

I have yet to buy a full band kit, and being a huge Green Day fan (excluding their new album) this is definetely going to help my decision, even if I am just going to get their tracks exported.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Haha, don't be silly, of course it'll be edited for a "T" rating.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']God, what a shitty album. What is that supposed to prove?



Wut.[/QUOTE]

Dude, you're at the point of trolling. Just shut the fuck up, or find something better to do.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Dude, you're at the point of trolling. Just shut the fuck up, or find something better to do.[/QUOTE]

What the hell is "trolling" about saying that I think it'll be edited for a T rating? :whistle2:s That's just common sense.
 
[quote name='dastly75']Oh shit this thread got ransacked with bitching. No one's forcing you to buy shit, get over it .[/QUOTE]
This is a bad attitude.

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']What the hell is "trolling" about saying that I think it'll be edited for a T rating? :whistle2:s That's just common sense.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I would be floored if the game isn't T.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']What the hell is "trolling" about saying that I think it'll be edited for a T rating? :whistle2:s That's just common sense.[/QUOTE]

What about this part?

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']God, what a shitty album. What is that supposed to prove?[/QUOTE]

We get it. You don't like Green Day. Is it ok if anybody does? I'm not even going to bother asking what you think is good music.
 
I know they already have a bunch of songs in Rock Band, and I also know that the first thought into your heads after reading this will be the Penny Arcade comic, but man, I wish this was Nirvana: Rock Band instead. Even if it's just a Rock Band recreation of Live At Reading it would still be more entertaining than Green Day: Rock Band probably will be.
 
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[quote name='BlueSwim']I know they already have a bunch of songs in Rock Band , and I also know that the first thought into your heads after reading this will be the Penny Arcade comic, but man, I wish this was Nirvana: Rock Band instead. Even if its just a Rock Band recreation of Live At Reading it would be more entertaining than Green Day: Rock Band.[/QUOTE]

I wish.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']We get it. You don't like Green Day. Is it ok if anybody does? I'm not even going to bother asking what you think is good music.[/QUOTE]

Me saying that that album sucks, directed a person who likes it, is no more "trolling" than that same person using an image of that album's cover as some sort of counter-point in response to a person who was basically saying they think the band is crap.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Me saying that that album sucks, directed a person who likes it, is no more "trolling" than that same person using an image of that album's cover as some sort of counter-point[/QUOTE]
Yes it is.

My mind has been blown. You sincerely don't like any of Green Day's albums? What type of music do you actually like?

And Never4ever is correct, it's just a track pack for those who don't want the game; no need quote everyone's favorite bands just to say that they suck.
 
[quote name='Nebenator']Yes it is.[/quote]
No, it isn't. Trolling isn't limited to negative comments only.

My mind has been blown. You sincerely don't like any of Green Day's albums?
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Cool, you are incredibly narrow-minded! Congratulations?

What type of music do you actually like?
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Not awful teenie mall punk.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Cool, you are incredibly narrow-minded! Congratulations?


Not awful teenie mall punk.[/QUOTE]

Jesus Christ. Do these statements not directly contradict each other??? You're calling someone narrow-minded, and then you make fun of them for liking something you don't like? Are you fucking retarded?
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Jesus Christ. Do these statements not directly contradict each other??? You're calling someone narrow-minded, and then you make fun of them for liking something you don't like? Are you fucking retarded?[/QUOTE]

Not being narrow-minded does not mean that you like every sort of music, so, no contradictions there.

And I didn't make fun of you (and I certainly did not do anything like ask if you were "fucking retarded"). I think it's fair to call someone whose "mind [is] blown" when they hear that someone does not like the same music as them "narrow-minded."
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']So they're basically releasing a Green Day: Track Pack.

Big whoop.

You guys are putting way too much into this.[/QUOTE]

I think I'm going to quote this every page until people shut up about this. Big deal if the come out with a Rock Band: every 4 months. If those games are exportable then they are just glorified DLC track packs and you shouldn't care anymore than if you were to see them show up on Tuesday as DLC.

As for the Green Day is awesome/awful discussion, you guys need to grow up. Don't like Green Day? I don't care. Like Green Day and are mad that others don't? Who cares? Why does it matter if someone doesn't like the music you do?

/rant
 
You guy spouting "glorified track pack" aren't seeing the big picture. Eight music games a year isn't helping the genre. What we're seeing is the beginning of the end. Activision was the sole contributor to the downfall, and now Harmonix is helping.

Whatever, let Harmonix fuck themselves over.
 
[quote name='Trakan']You guy spouting "glorified track pack" aren't seeing the big picture. Eight music games a year isn't helping the genre. What we're seeing is the beginning of the end. Activision was the sole contributor to the downfall, and now Harmonix is helping.

Whatever, let Harmonix fuck themselves over.[/QUOTE]

8 games is a LOT, I will grant you that. I personally think the music game genre already peaked and I don't blame anyone for trying to get as much money as possible. Especially if that means I get more music to choose from.

Hell, once the RBN opens up then we'll be drowning in music. Is having a game on the shelf really that much different?
 
[quote name='ZForce915']I think I'm going to quote this every page until people shut up about this. Big deal if the come out with a Rock Band: every 4 months. If those games are exportable then they are just glorified DLC track packs and you shouldn't care anymore than if you were to see them show up on Tuesday as DLC.

As for the Green Day is awesome/awful discussion, you guys need to grow up. Don't like Green Day? I don't care. Like Green Day and are mad that others don't? Who cares? Why does it matter if someone doesn't like the music you do?

/rant[/QUOTE]

Well said. This was actually my point. I have no interest in converting people to the pro-Green Day side. But to tell others that they suck and belittle people who may enjoy them is unnecessary.
 
Danzig Rock Band...

If they were to release that and have it span from Misfits to Samhain and into his solo career (specifically his first four albums) then I'd buy that in a heartbeat. Plus each band and even albums have a different sound so it would give some variety.
 
[quote name='bardockkun']Danzig Rock Band...

If they were to release that and have it span from Misfits to Samhain and into his solo career (specifically his first four albums) then I'd buy that in a heartbeat. Plus each band and even albums have a different sound so it would give some variety.[/QUOTE]

Me too, but at the same time I want less of these single-band games, not more.


On another topic...

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN:

Devin Townsend's Twitter]I would love to have something on Rock Band said:
http://twitter.com/dvntownsend/status/6645510820

Maybe we can get some RBN stuff out of him, at least.
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[quote name='Bioshocked360']The worst part of Green Day Rock Band is that they're working on that, when they could be working on Rock Band 3.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely.
 
I would hope the Beatles and Green Day titles ARE essentially work on "Rock Band 3," since we've already seen some new features.

Agreed with bardockkun, though - as annoying as the Green Day stuff is, if RBN lives up to its potential I'm pretty much willing to forgive anything I'm not happy about.
 
[quote name='Trakan']You guy spouting "glorified track pack" aren't seeing the big picture. Eight music games a year isn't helping the genre. What we're seeing is the beginning of the end. Activision was the sole contributor to the downfall, and now Harmonix is helping.

Whatever, let Harmonix fuck themselves over.[/QUOTE]

Harmonix released two games last year, and as far as we know this is the only title that's confirmed for 2010 from them. If anyone's going to kill the market from overpopulation it's going to be Activision, which means Harmonix can either sit on the sidelines and watch Guitar Hero beat them into submission in the only genre they make games for, or release occasional titles so the series doesn't fade into oblivion.

[quote name='Bioshocked360']The worst part of Green Day Rock Band is that they're working on that, when they could be working on Rock Band 3.[/QUOTE]

I still don't understand this argument, and haven't gotten a good answer as to why it's valid. Why can't Harmonix work on both at the same time? Who's to say the side project isn't a way to keep their staff employed until they're ready to start into Rock Band 3, or devote more resources to it if they haven't begun already? How do we know they didn't hire some extra staff members specifically for this project when it began?

Theoretically, they could devote all of their resources to pumping out a potential Rock Band 3 for the fall, but then we get into Activision territory. I thought the consensus here was that pushing out sequels with minor improvements as a cash grab was a bad idea. Isn't it better to let them take as much time as they want so the final product is actually something good instead of something rushed? Given that they're supposedly redesigning the controls and making significant changes to the game, I would expect that to take time. Especially since there isn't even an announcement for the game yet.

And for what it's worth, the last paragraph from that article:
Analysts believe that both Guitar Hero 5 and The Beatles: Rock Band have performed worse than initially expected, pointing to a saturation in the music simulation market, accentuated by the release of the DJ Hero spinoff. For Harmonix and MTV Games, it might pay off to focus more on creating experiences tailored to the most important bands, like Led Zeppelin or maybe even Queen, rather than creating a Rock Band 3, while continuing to out DLC tracks for the previous titles.
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You can argue about whether or not Green Day is one of those "most important bands," but given their popularity, their willingness to work with Harmonix, and the fact that it's almost guaranteed to sell they could have done a lot worse.
 
[quote name='Nebenator']Walrus, you are the unbiased peacekeeper in this thread of chaos.[/QUOTE]

No way, he's a flip-flopper, just like that commie John Kerry!
 
[quote name='Gothic Walrus']You can argue about whether or not Green Day is one of those "most important bands," but given their popularity, their willingness to work with Harmonix, and the fact that it's almost guaranteed to sell they could have done a lot worse.[/QUOTE]

I think this game will tank as bad as Guitar Hero: Van Halen.
 
[quote name='Gothic Walrus']Who's to say the side project isn't a way to keep their staff employed until they're ready to start into Rock Band 3, or devote more resources to it if they haven't begun already? How do we know they didn't hire some extra staff members specifically for this project when it began?[/QUOTE]Umm, this news story broke the day before GD:RB leaked.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/12/10/restructuring-layoffs-hit-harmonix-the-band-plays-on/

Also, Dhani Harrison was full of shit.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/105/1052964p1.html

I hope they half-ass it like they did the AC/DC pack, Green Day doesn't deserve the same effort as The Beatles or The Who or The Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd or Queen, especially when they're working with limited resources that should be focused on RB3.
 
It kind of makes sense to release greenday rockband. The rockband 2 SKU is kind of old and there must be plenty of stores that don't cary it any more.

So if you take the "core" rockband 2 game out of the equation you are left with:

Lego Rockband: for the kids
Greeday Rockband: for the teens (and girls*)
Beatles Rockband: for the adults

Without that middle sku you have the DLC that haromix push out that can't really be used by all SKU levels. Some DLC doesn't work with Lego and none works with Beatles. You need that middle SKU. I like greenday, but don't love greenday. I'm sure I'll be able to score it cheap, considering how fast you could score a copy of Lego for 25 bucks these past few weeks.

*And yes girls love greenday, I went to a greenday concernt and had to say at least 70% of the fans were girls.
 
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[quote name='KingDox']*And yes girls love greenday, I went to a greenday concernt and had to say at least 70 of the fans were girls.[/QUOTE]
Over the course of 15 years they managed to replace their weed with teenage girls and eyeliner. But they still play their old albums live, so I go anyway.
 
If you're going to go with a punk band, why not go with the fucking Offspring?! And if they did make an offspring game I would have to insist they go for the M rating as I don't want them to slaughter the songs and leave out ones with iffy subject matter like spare me the details.

I agree with a lot of you though that they need to just push out the 3rd game to breath life back into the franchise. I haven't bought any DLC in a really long time and am looking for the next game to give me something else to work towards.

All I know is it better be loaded down with features and how about something to keep track of songs you FC /100% etc? This is shit the community has been keeping track of since the first guitar hero, so why the hell isn't software doing it for us yet?!?!?!
 
[quote name='Mojimbo']Umm, this news story broke the day before GD:RB leaked.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/12/10/restructuring-layoffs-hit-harmonix-the-band-plays-on/[/QUOTE]

Believe it or not, I was aware of it when I said that. "Quality assurance" usually means "testing," which is something that can be outsourced, and usually is by most other developers. It's not good that they did it, but I'd be a lot more concerned if they were cutting development positions.

The timing makes sense, too - what does Harmonix need a testing staff for when they don't have any titles announced for the immediate future? What would they be paying them to do, other than sit around on their asses all day? The testing staff you need for two games (assuming they handled Lego Rock Band too) is obviously bigger than the one you need for zero games, right?

Don't believe me? Look at the followup that was linked to from your Joystiq article. It's from MTV Games so there's definitely a PR filter in place, but I think we would have heard if they'd laid off a significant amount of their development staff instead of the "at least one" Joystiq cited in the first article.

[quote name='Mojimbo']Also, Dhani Harrison was full of shit.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/105/1052964p1.html[/QUOTE]

How many times have we seen developers issue flat denials for stories that eventually end up being true? This would definitely not be the first time, and I don't think Dhani Harrison would have a reason to be making up lies about a video game that hasn't been announced yet.

[quote name='Trakan']I think this game will tank as bad as Guitar Hero: Van Halen.[/QUOTE]

Really? You're comparing the sales of the game to a Guitar Hero title that doesn't come out for another week?

Between the timing of the release, the fact that Van Halen hasn't been relevant for years, and the impressions from people who got it free from the GH5 promotion, I wouldn't be surprised if it did tank...but it's a little early to be citing sales figures for it, isn't it?

[quote name='KingDox']It kind of makes sense to release greenday rockband. The rockband 2 SKU is kind of old and there must be plenty of stores that don't cary it any more.

So if you take the "core" rockband 2 game out of the equation you are left with:

Lego Rockband: for the kids
Greeday Rockband: for the teens (and girls*)
Beatles Rockband: for the adults

Without that middle sku you have the DLC that haromix push out that can't really be used by all SKU levels. Some DLC doesn't work with Lego and none works with Beatles. You need that middle SKU. I like greenday, but don't love greenday. I'm sure I'll be able to score it cheap, considering how fast you could score a copy of Lego for 25 bucks these past few weeks.

*And yes girls love greenday, I went to a greenday concernt and had to say at least 70% of the fans were girls.[/QUOTE]

The theory does make some sense, but the problem is that by the time the Green Day game ships - whenever that is - there's a chance that the Lego and Beatles games will be on clearance or gone from shelves already. The DLC argument doesn't work well either; I'd be surprised if the game was compatible with anything other than the handful of Green Day songs that have been released so far.

It wouldn't surprise me if Green Day is a summer or early fall release, leaving room for a Rock Band 3 announced at E3 to come out in time for the holidays. Even though I'm not convinced the game will fail like a few of you already are, putting all of their eggs into this one basket isn't the best idea.

[quote name='RichMeisterMan']If you're going to go with a punk band, why not go with the fucking Offspring?! And if they did make an offspring game I would have to insist they go for the M rating as I don't want them to slaughter the songs and leave out ones with iffy subject matter like spare me the details.[/QUOTE]

Probably because they've released two albums in the last decade, and have fallen off the radar for most people.

I wouldn't mind an Offspring game, but I don't doubt it'd be a complete failure in sales.

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']No way, he's a flip-flopper, just like that commie John Kerry![/QUOTE]

I prefer "waffling."
 
Here's my take on RB:GD. I was disappointed with The Beatles because it didn't have all the most popular songs but rather saved them for DLC. I'm not the biggest fan of The Beatles so I didn't know half the songs on the game. And the game was pretty short too. I can see them holding back popular songs for DLC. If they are going to make a band specific game they need to have the most popular songs and not fill in the spaces with songs not everyone would know.

I think this is going to be a rental or borrow from a friend.

I wonder how they will handle "Jesus of Suburbia" and "Homecoming" (if they are included) which are 9 minute songs and are basically 5 songs put together.

Come on, give us Rock Band: Coheed and Cambria *puts on flame suit*
 
[quote name='Gothic Walrus']Really? You're comparing the sales of the game to a Guitar Hero title that doesn't come out for another week?[/QUOTE]

Yes.

[quote name='Gothic Walrus']Between the timing of the release, the fact that Van Halen hasn't been relevant for years, and the impressions from people who got it free from the GH5 promotion, I wouldn't be surprised if it did tank...but it's a little early to be citing sales figures for it, isn't it?[/QUOTE]

No.

GH: VH is going to tank... hard. I believe Green Day will as well.
 
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