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That's kind of sad, its the 40th anniversary of Star Trek and there's nothing around to celebrate it.
By the way, what ever happened to the idea of having a Star Fleet Academy based show?
That's kind of sad, its the 40th anniversary of Star Trek and there's nothing around to celebrate it.
By the way, what ever happened to the idea of having a Star Fleet Academy based show?
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[quote name='javeryh']God damn Jolene Blaylock is hot.[/quote]
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That came out of nowhere. It's an accurate statement though.
Here's a nice wallpaper.
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That came out of nowhere. It's an accurate statement though.
Here's a nice wallpaper.
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[quote name='2Fast']For some reason I think she looks hotter as T'Pol, and in other news, I may have just uncovered a Vulcan fetish.[/quote]
Here you go.
After I get off work, I might post some more stuff. It will depend on how tired I am though. It won't be until after 11:30 pm.
Here you go.
After I get off work, I might post some more stuff. It will depend on how tired I am though. It won't be until after 11:30 pm.
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Here you go.
After I get off work, I might post some more stuff. It will depend on how tired I am though. It won't be until after 11:30 pm.[/quote]
Oh, you got a job Guile? I remember you saying that you were looking for/needed one.
She looks much better as a brunette IMO.
After I get off work, I might post some more stuff. It will depend on how tired I am though. It won't be until after 11:30 pm.[/quote]
Oh, you got a job Guile? I remember you saying that you were looking for/needed one.
She looks much better as a brunette IMO.
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[quote name='2Fast']Oh, you got a job Guile? I remember you saying that you were looking for/needed one.
She looks much better as a brunette IMO.[/quote]
Yeah, I started yesterday. I have to leave in 30 minutes. It's just a temp job until I find something better. I just have to have some money coming in right now. It's in a warehouse, in the shipping department. At least with 2nd shift I can look for other work during the day.
I can already tell I don't want to be doing this for too long (especially since I do have a BS degree), but you do what you gotta do sometimes. The unemployment rate in this area is around 10% and it's hard to find a good job.
She looks much better as a brunette IMO.[/quote]
Yeah, I started yesterday. I have to leave in 30 minutes. It's just a temp job until I find something better. I just have to have some money coming in right now. It's in a warehouse, in the shipping department. At least with 2nd shift I can look for other work during the day.
I can already tell I don't want to be doing this for too long (especially since I do have a BS degree), but you do what you gotta do sometimes. The unemployment rate in this area is around 10% and it's hard to find a good job.
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Here's more Jolene. Click the thumbnails.
Couldn't find any good ones in T'Pol form. I used Imagevenue becuase of the batch uploading. If you can't see these, let me know. Sometimes peopl have problems with Imagevenue for some reason.
Couldn't find any good ones in T'Pol form. I used Imagevenue becuase of the batch uploading. If you can't see these, let me know. Sometimes peopl have problems with Imagevenue for some reason.
Very nice.
I've recently started to rent Enterprise and Voyager since I never watched them/wasn't too into Star Trek when they first aired, and I have to say that I enjoy Enterprise more than I thought I would and feel kind of disappointed with Voyager - although I plan on watching all 7 seasons regardless.
The only problems with Enterprise is that it doesn't feel all that much like Star Trek and messes with canon a bit too much, but I'm enjoying it nonetheless. As a standalone sci-fi show, it would have been great. The Enterprise feels realistic to me, my dad was even sorta impressed with it and he actually works on the space shuttle, so I guess that says something for it.
The picture quality in Voyager is horrible and it looks like the show was really neutered by its budget. Janeway annoys me and I absolutely can't stand Chakotay, I want to punch his tattoo. I'm going to give it a chance though, hopefully the Borg stuff is decent.
I've recently started to rent Enterprise and Voyager since I never watched them/wasn't too into Star Trek when they first aired, and I have to say that I enjoy Enterprise more than I thought I would and feel kind of disappointed with Voyager - although I plan on watching all 7 seasons regardless.
The only problems with Enterprise is that it doesn't feel all that much like Star Trek and messes with canon a bit too much, but I'm enjoying it nonetheless. As a standalone sci-fi show, it would have been great. The Enterprise feels realistic to me, my dad was even sorta impressed with it and he actually works on the space shuttle, so I guess that says something for it.
The picture quality in Voyager is horrible and it looks like the show was really neutered by its budget. Janeway annoys me and I absolutely can't stand Chakotay, I want to punch his tattoo. I'm going to give it a chance though, hopefully the Borg stuff is decent.
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[quote name='2Fast']Very nice.
The only problems with Enterprise is that it doesn't feel all that much like Star Trek and messes with canon a bit too much, but I'm enjoying it nonetheless. As a standalone sci-fi show, it would have been great. The Enterprise feels realistic to me, my dad was even sorta impressed with it and he actually works on the space shuttle, so I guess that says something for it.
The picture quality in Voyager is horrible and it looks like the show was really neutered by its budget. Janeway annoys me and I absolutely can't stand Chakotay, I want to punch his tattoo. I'm going to give it a chance though, hopefully the Borg stuff is decent.[/quote]
I felt the exact same way about Enterprise. To this day I have only seen a handful of episodes. Voyager has its moments. I like Tuvok and the Doctor the best. The Janeway is a bit annoying though. I agree with that.
The only problems with Enterprise is that it doesn't feel all that much like Star Trek and messes with canon a bit too much, but I'm enjoying it nonetheless. As a standalone sci-fi show, it would have been great. The Enterprise feels realistic to me, my dad was even sorta impressed with it and he actually works on the space shuttle, so I guess that says something for it.
The picture quality in Voyager is horrible and it looks like the show was really neutered by its budget. Janeway annoys me and I absolutely can't stand Chakotay, I want to punch his tattoo. I'm going to give it a chance though, hopefully the Borg stuff is decent.[/quote]
I felt the exact same way about Enterprise. To this day I have only seen a handful of episodes. Voyager has its moments. I like Tuvok and the Doctor the best. The Janeway is a bit annoying though. I agree with that.
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I felt the exact same way about Enterprise. To this day I have only seen a handful of episodes. Voyager has its moments. I like Tuvok and the Doctor the best. The Janeway is a bit annoying though. I agree with that.[/quote]
Do they ever explain Tuvok being a black Vulcan? I mean, it makes sense considering that there are different shades of people on Earth, but I guess I sort of had the preconception that it was only Earth specific and you only ever see traditional tan/white-skinned Vulcans in everything else. But of course, that sort of thing is neither here nor there in the 24th century, so why ask
Does Chakotay ever have any redeeming moments? So far he is the worst part of the show for me.
Do they ever explain Tuvok being a black Vulcan? I mean, it makes sense considering that there are different shades of people on Earth, but I guess I sort of had the preconception that it was only Earth specific and you only ever see traditional tan/white-skinned Vulcans in everything else. But of course, that sort of thing is neither here nor there in the 24th century, so why ask
Does Chakotay ever have any redeeming moments? So far he is the worst part of the show for me.
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[quote name='2Fast']Do they ever explain Tuvok being a black Vulcan? I mean, it makes sense considering that there are different shades of people on Earth, but I guess I sort of had the preconception that it was only Earth specific and you only ever see traditional tan/white-skinned Vulcans in everything else. But of course, that sort of thing is neither here nor there in the 24th century, so why ask
Does Chakotay ever have any redeeming moments? So far he is the worst part of the show for me.[/quote]
That's a good question. Romulans are off-shoots of Vulcans yet they all had the same color and hair, except for the one that looked like Tasha Yar who was a blonde. Yet, Vulcans have more variety to its people. Almost all the other races in Star Trek have one one color to their people. Maybe Vulcans have closer ties to humans than we realize?
I can't remember a whole lot about Chakotay other than some episodes dealing with him finding his spirit guide or something.
Does Chakotay ever have any redeeming moments? So far he is the worst part of the show for me.[/quote]
That's a good question. Romulans are off-shoots of Vulcans yet they all had the same color and hair, except for the one that looked like Tasha Yar who was a blonde. Yet, Vulcans have more variety to its people. Almost all the other races in Star Trek have one one color to their people. Maybe Vulcans have closer ties to humans than we realize?
I can't remember a whole lot about Chakotay other than some episodes dealing with him finding his spirit guide or something.
[quote name='GuilewasNK']That's a good question. Romulans are off-shoots of Vulcans yet they all had the same color and hair, except for the one that looked like Tasha Yar who was a blonde. Yet, Vulcans have more variety to its people. Almost all the other races in Star Trek have one one color to their people. Maybe Vulcans have closer ties to humans than we realize?
I can't remember a whole lot about Chakotay other than some episodes dealing with him finding his spirit guide or something.[/quote]
I think Sela was half-human though.
I've also always wondered about Romulans and why their two main planets were named Romulus and Remus - named after the brothers who founded ancient Rome. I think I read somewhere that the Greek/Roman Pantheon of Gods were actually god-like aliens and had visited the Romulans during some period in Star Trek lore. I'm not sure if that's established in canon or not though, and it's waaaaay too nerdy for me to even know that. Anyway I've always been intrigued by the Vulcans and Romulans, I wish they were fleshed out a bit more, as well as the Andorians.
Spirit guide
Y'know, after Q, they really went gung-ho with all these god-like aliens and whatnot. It made Star Trek feel more like fantasy than sci-fi.
I can't remember a whole lot about Chakotay other than some episodes dealing with him finding his spirit guide or something.[/quote]
I think Sela was half-human though.
I've also always wondered about Romulans and why their two main planets were named Romulus and Remus - named after the brothers who founded ancient Rome. I think I read somewhere that the Greek/Roman Pantheon of Gods were actually god-like aliens and had visited the Romulans during some period in Star Trek lore. I'm not sure if that's established in canon or not though, and it's waaaaay too nerdy for me to even know that. Anyway I've always been intrigued by the Vulcans and Romulans, I wish they were fleshed out a bit more, as well as the Andorians.
Spirit guide
Y'know, after Q, they really went gung-ho with all these god-like aliens and whatnot. It made Star Trek feel more like fantasy than sci-fi.
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[quote name='GuilewasNK']I felt the exact same way about Enterprise. To this day I have only seen a handful of episodes. Voyager has its moments. I like Tuvok and the Doctor the best. The Janeway is a bit annoying though. I agree with that.[/quote]
Tuvok is good, and Tim Russ is amazing, but his character is wasted potential a lot of the time. They made him Security Chief so we wouldn't have another Vulcan science officer and endless comparisons to Spock, but it left him without a whole lot of interesting things to do.
The Doctor, and, later, Seven of Nine, are easily the most interesting characters. Star Trek always strikes gold with the characters that walk the boundary of what it is to be human. Too bad the actual human characters are as boring as wallpaper.
Chakotay is like a giant, unkillable red shirt. He never gets to do or say much of any great importance, and because Janeway is a strong captain, he's about as effectual and visible as a pre-Cheney Vice President. His biggest problem was that they essentially neutered his character when they abandoned the two-crews-forced-to-work-together aspect, and then again when they give him a nemesis only to make her into a caricature and then drop her.
Janeway never bugged me, but her character never really clicked for me, either. She made some weird, off-putting decisions, made the holodeck look completely boring, and failed to be as inspiring or magnetic as any of the previous captains. She's like, okay. But I never really believed in her, and it's not because she's a woman. Captain Kira? Sign me up. Captain Janeway? Well, whatever.
Enterprise failed for me because they didn't learn anything from all this. I could see that if Enterprise ever made it to a seventh season, Hoshi and that ensign who was so non-memorable that I forget his name would both be as underdeveloped and pointless as Chakotay or Harry Kim. What's the point in having characters if all they do is stand around, spout exposition or technobabble on occasion, and maybe once a season tell us something forgettable about their background or get a crappy episode featuring them?
Tuvok is good, and Tim Russ is amazing, but his character is wasted potential a lot of the time. They made him Security Chief so we wouldn't have another Vulcan science officer and endless comparisons to Spock, but it left him without a whole lot of interesting things to do.
The Doctor, and, later, Seven of Nine, are easily the most interesting characters. Star Trek always strikes gold with the characters that walk the boundary of what it is to be human. Too bad the actual human characters are as boring as wallpaper.
Chakotay is like a giant, unkillable red shirt. He never gets to do or say much of any great importance, and because Janeway is a strong captain, he's about as effectual and visible as a pre-Cheney Vice President. His biggest problem was that they essentially neutered his character when they abandoned the two-crews-forced-to-work-together aspect, and then again when they give him a nemesis only to make her into a caricature and then drop her.
Janeway never bugged me, but her character never really clicked for me, either. She made some weird, off-putting decisions, made the holodeck look completely boring, and failed to be as inspiring or magnetic as any of the previous captains. She's like, okay. But I never really believed in her, and it's not because she's a woman. Captain Kira? Sign me up. Captain Janeway? Well, whatever.
Enterprise failed for me because they didn't learn anything from all this. I could see that if Enterprise ever made it to a seventh season, Hoshi and that ensign who was so non-memorable that I forget his name would both be as underdeveloped and pointless as Chakotay or Harry Kim. What's the point in having characters if all they do is stand around, spout exposition or technobabble on occasion, and maybe once a season tell us something forgettable about their background or get a crappy episode featuring them?
That sounds pretty spot-on about Janeway. She also has some weird quirks that always bother me as well. She seems like such a hard-nosed captain half the time, but then sometimes she will be jumping up and down discussing something about temporal vortexes or solving whatever problem they were facing - it just seemed really out of place.
Do you mean Travis Mayweather? He is always doing something, but they never really tell you much about him other than about how his father was some freighter pilot or something to that effect.
Do you mean Travis Mayweather? He is always doing something, but they never really tell you much about him other than about how his father was some freighter pilot or something to that effect.
[quote name='2Fast']Very nice.
I've recently started to rent Enterprise and Voyager since I never watched them/wasn't too into Star Trek when they first aired, and I have to say that I enjoy Enterprise more than I thought I would and feel kind of disappointed with Voyager - although I plan on watching all 7 seasons regardless.
The only problems with Enterprise is that it doesn't feel all that much like Star Trek and messes with canon a bit too much, but I'm enjoying it nonetheless. As a standalone sci-fi show, it would have been great. The Enterprise feels realistic to me, my dad was even sorta impressed with it and he actually works on the space shuttle, so I guess that says something for it.
The picture quality in Voyager is horrible and it looks like the show was really neutered by its budget. Janeway annoys me and I absolutely can't stand Chakotay, I want to punch his tattoo. I'm going to give it a chance though, hopefully the Borg stuff is decent.[/quote]
Voyager is a disgrace. They had a great idea initially that they could have done ANYTHING with because the events didn't occur in the Alpha Quadrant but they blew it. They also completely neutered one of the greatest sci-fi villians of all time - the Borg. One cube on TNG was more than the Enterprise could handle yet out in the middle of nowhere Voyager was able to outsmart THOUSANDS of Borg cubes every other week. No thanks. The only redeeming thing about the show was the Doctor - he was great. 7 of 9 was OK most of the time but everyone else - yuck. Although B'lanna was an underappreciated hottie.
I've recently started to rent Enterprise and Voyager since I never watched them/wasn't too into Star Trek when they first aired, and I have to say that I enjoy Enterprise more than I thought I would and feel kind of disappointed with Voyager - although I plan on watching all 7 seasons regardless.
The only problems with Enterprise is that it doesn't feel all that much like Star Trek and messes with canon a bit too much, but I'm enjoying it nonetheless. As a standalone sci-fi show, it would have been great. The Enterprise feels realistic to me, my dad was even sorta impressed with it and he actually works on the space shuttle, so I guess that says something for it.
The picture quality in Voyager is horrible and it looks like the show was really neutered by its budget. Janeway annoys me and I absolutely can't stand Chakotay, I want to punch his tattoo. I'm going to give it a chance though, hopefully the Borg stuff is decent.[/quote]
Voyager is a disgrace. They had a great idea initially that they could have done ANYTHING with because the events didn't occur in the Alpha Quadrant but they blew it. They also completely neutered one of the greatest sci-fi villians of all time - the Borg. One cube on TNG was more than the Enterprise could handle yet out in the middle of nowhere Voyager was able to outsmart THOUSANDS of Borg cubes every other week. No thanks. The only redeeming thing about the show was the Doctor - he was great. 7 of 9 was OK most of the time but everyone else - yuck. Although B'lanna was an underappreciated hottie.
[quote name='javeryh']Voyager is a disgrace. They had a great idea initially that they could have done ANYTHING with because the events didn't occur in the Alpha Quadrant but they blew it. They also completely neutered one of the greatest sci-fi villians of all time - the Borg. One cube on TNG was more than the Enterprise could handle yet out in the middle of nowhere Voyager was able to outsmart THOUSANDS of Borg cubes every other week. No thanks. The only redeeming thing about the show was the Doctor - he was great. 7 of 9 was OK most of the time but everyone else - yuck. Although B'lanna was an underappreciated hottie.[/quote]
I mean, it makes sense because The Borg are the most prominent "species" in the Delta Quadrant, but they just went about it the wrong way. Shit, a Borg Cube is more than a FLEET can handle. So far the only characters I really care for are Harry Kim, EMH, and to a lesser extent, Tom Paris. I'm about halfway through the first season right now, and it's been hard to watch. I also hear that Q is in Voyager as well, which sucks if you ask me. Also, it doesn't seem like they even care that they are 70 years away from home so far.
What's the deal with "Gods" in the first episode of all three 24th century Star Trek shows? Q in TNG, Prophets in DS9, and the Caretaker in Voyager? I'm so tired of these dudes (except Q).
I mean, it makes sense because The Borg are the most prominent "species" in the Delta Quadrant, but they just went about it the wrong way. Shit, a Borg Cube is more than a FLEET can handle. So far the only characters I really care for are Harry Kim, EMH, and to a lesser extent, Tom Paris. I'm about halfway through the first season right now, and it's been hard to watch. I also hear that Q is in Voyager as well, which sucks if you ask me. Also, it doesn't seem like they even care that they are 70 years away from home so far.
What's the deal with "Gods" in the first episode of all three 24th century Star Trek shows? Q in TNG, Prophets in DS9, and the Caretaker in Voyager? I'm so tired of these dudes (except Q).
[quote name='javeryh']Voyager is a disgrace. They had a great idea initially that they could have done ANYTHING with because the events didn't occur in the Alpha Quadrant but they blew it. [/QUOTE]
Word.
[quote name='javeryh']B'lanna was an underappreciated hottie.[/QUOTE]
Exoskeletal cranium plates are hard to appreciate.
[quote name='2Fast']For some reason I think she looks hotter as T'Pol, and in other news, I may have just uncovered a Vulcan fetish.[/QUOTE]
Female Vulcans and Romulans are hott. I hated the idea of T'Pol on Enterprise, but I watched 3 or 4 episodes of Enterprise beyond my threshold simply because of T'Pol. I am a weak-willed human. Take me, T'Pol.
Word.
[quote name='javeryh']B'lanna was an underappreciated hottie.[/QUOTE]
Exoskeletal cranium plates are hard to appreciate.
[quote name='2Fast']For some reason I think she looks hotter as T'Pol, and in other news, I may have just uncovered a Vulcan fetish.[/QUOTE]
Female Vulcans and Romulans are hott. I hated the idea of T'Pol on Enterprise, but I watched 3 or 4 episodes of Enterprise beyond my threshold simply because of T'Pol. I am a weak-willed human. Take me, T'Pol.
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[quote name='javeryh']Voyager is a disgrace. They had a great idea initially that they could have done ANYTHING with because the events didn't occur in the Alpha Quadrant but they blew it. They also completely neutered one of the greatest sci-fi villians of all time - the Borg. One cube on TNG was more than the Enterprise could handle yet out in the middle of nowhere Voyager was able to outsmart THOUSANDS of Borg cubes every other week. No thanks. The only redeeming thing about the show was the Doctor - he was great. 7 of 9 was OK most of the time but everyone else - yuck. Although B'lanna was an underappreciated hottie.[/quote]
They watered down Q too. Although, I did find him to still be entertaining.
The Year of Hell story was pretty cool.
Kes was a cutie. 7 of 9 was cool, but I still liked the Kes Neelix relationship.
Voyager's best claim to fame is that in the video game realm, they had the best Star Trek game IMO in Elite Force. I still play that online quite a bit.
Dothog is right, the pointy ears look good on the female characters. Romulan Troi was awesome.
[quote name='Kaijufan']There is a series of books set after the ending of Deep Space Nine (DS9 Relaunch). I've never read any of them myself but I've been meaning to and those books are as close as we're going to get to a movie.[/quote]
I wanted to get some at a library sale. I got tons of Trek books for 50 cents a piece all last month, but none of the relaunch titles. Trek books are still my my favorite things to read.
They watered down Q too. Although, I did find him to still be entertaining.
The Year of Hell story was pretty cool.
Kes was a cutie. 7 of 9 was cool, but I still liked the Kes Neelix relationship.
Voyager's best claim to fame is that in the video game realm, they had the best Star Trek game IMO in Elite Force. I still play that online quite a bit.
Dothog is right, the pointy ears look good on the female characters. Romulan Troi was awesome.
[quote name='Kaijufan']There is a series of books set after the ending of Deep Space Nine (DS9 Relaunch). I've never read any of them myself but I've been meaning to and those books are as close as we're going to get to a movie.[/quote]
I wanted to get some at a library sale. I got tons of Trek books for 50 cents a piece all last month, but none of the relaunch titles. Trek books are still my my favorite things to read.
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Voyager's best claim to fame is that in the video game realm, they had the best Star Trek game IMO in Elite Force. I still play that online quite a bit.
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I've been looking for a complete PS2 copy of that for a while. Ebgames.com and Gamestop.com have it in-stock every once in a while for $7.99, but I'm sure it will come disc-only so I never order it.
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I've been looking for a complete PS2 copy of that for a while. Ebgames.com and Gamestop.com have it in-stock every once in a while for $7.99, but I'm sure it will come disc-only so I never order it.
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[quote name='2Fast']I've been looking for a complete PS2 copy of that for a while. Ebgames.com and Gamestop.com have it in-stock every once in a while for $8.99, but I'm sure it will come disc-only so I never order it.[/quote]
I have played the PC version more than another game in my life with the possible exceptions of Street Fighter II and Halo 2. The single player is very cool. I am still a member in the Frag-Cafe clan.
I want the PS2 version myself but I missed out when TRU was clearing them out. I actually want to get every Star Trek game ever made one day. DS9: The Fallen is the next big one I want.
I have played the PC version more than another game in my life with the possible exceptions of Street Fighter II and Halo 2. The single player is very cool. I am still a member in the Frag-Cafe clan.
I want the PS2 version myself but I missed out when TRU was clearing them out. I actually want to get every Star Trek game ever made one day. DS9: The Fallen is the next big one I want.
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I have played the PC version more than another game in my life with the possible exceptions of Street Fighter II and Halo 2. The single player is very cool. I am still a member in the Frag-Cafe clan.
I want the PS2 version myself but I missed out when TRU was clearing them out. I actually want to get every Star Trek game ever made one day. DS9: The Fallen is the next big one I want.[/quote]
Do you have Star Trek: Shattered Universe? I've always wanted to pick it up but I've heard it's horrible.
I want the PS2 version myself but I missed out when TRU was clearing them out. I actually want to get every Star Trek game ever made one day. DS9: The Fallen is the next big one I want.[/quote]
Do you have Star Trek: Shattered Universe? I've always wanted to pick it up but I've heard it's horrible.
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[quote name='2Fast']Do you have Star Trek: Shattered Universe? I've always wanted to pick it up but I've heard it's horrible.[/quote]
Nope.
I've heard it's bad also, but I still want to get it eventually.
Nope.
I've heard it's bad also, but I still want to get it eventually.
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[quote name='GuilewasNK']Nope.
I've heard it's bad also, but I still want to get it eventually.[/QUOTE]
Oh God, don't do it. One of the worst games I've ever played.
I've heard it's bad also, but I still want to get it eventually.[/QUOTE]
Oh God, don't do it. One of the worst games I've ever played.
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[quote name='CocheseUGA']Oh God, don't do it. One of the worst games I've ever played.[/quote]
:lol:
I'm eventually going to get as many Star Trek games as possible. I already have...
PC
Star Trek Elite Force II
Star Trek Pinball
Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force
Star Trek Bridge Commander
Star Trek: Hidden Evil
Star Trek: Klingon
Genesis
Star Trek Deep Space Nine - Crossroads of Time
Star Trek: The Next Generation: Echoes from the Past
PS One
Star Trek: Invasion
SNES
Star Trek: Starfleet Academy
Star Trek: The Next Generation
:lol:
I'm eventually going to get as many Star Trek games as possible. I already have...
PC
Star Trek Elite Force II
Star Trek Pinball
Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force
Star Trek Bridge Commander
Star Trek: Hidden Evil
Star Trek: Klingon
Genesis
Star Trek Deep Space Nine - Crossroads of Time
Star Trek: The Next Generation: Echoes from the Past
PS One
Star Trek: Invasion
SNES
Star Trek: Starfleet Academy
Star Trek: The Next Generation
[quote name='GuilewasNK']They watered down Q too. Although, I did find him to still be entertaining.
The Year of Hell story was pretty cool.[/quote]
Oh yeah - I forgot about what they did to Q. Why the hell would he bother with Janeway? It's a stretch to think he cares about Picard and the TNG crew but Janeway too - ugh.
I also forgot to mention how completely lame the whole Barclay and Troi episodes were. God it pisses me off just thinking about it.
You are right though - the Year of Hell was pretty cool even though if I recall correctly
and there were a bunch of good to great episodes during the show's run (it wasn't all bad). The one where Janeway was having migraines and Chakote lost his hair was pretty badass.
The Year of Hell story was pretty cool.[/quote]
Oh yeah - I forgot about what they did to Q. Why the hell would he bother with Janeway? It's a stretch to think he cares about Picard and the TNG crew but Janeway too - ugh.
I also forgot to mention how completely lame the whole Barclay and Troi episodes were. God it pisses me off just thinking about it.
You are right though - the Year of Hell was pretty cool even though if I recall correctly
they totally wussed out and at the end none of it ever happened - how cliche
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[quote name='2Fast']My god Neelix is annoying...[/quote]
I honestly believe that subconciously Tuvok wants to kill him. :lol:
I honestly believe that subconciously Tuvok wants to kill him. :lol:
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I honestly believe that subconciously Tuvok wants to kill him. :lol:[/quote]
I get that same feeling!
I was watching one of the very first episodes (episode 5 or 6 I believe) and boy oh boy...Early in the episode Tuvok talks down to Harry Kim via some kind of discrete two-way com communication, and then afer something else happens Harry Kim says something really smart-ass to Tuvok without any repercussion. Also, Chakotay is helping Janeway find her "animal guide"...nuff said there. Neelix and Kess bring some finger foods onto the bridge after Voyager has a big disaster. Tuvok wanted to kill his ass, but to everyone else it was all fun and games. Just imagine if he would have tried that shit on the Enterprise...Picard would have had his ass! It's like they were trying to destroy Star Trek. The EMH is the best part of the show by far.
I'm trying real hard to get into Voyager, but man it's been tough. I'm only on season 1, disc 2 and I already have to motivate myself to watch it.
I get that same feeling!
I was watching one of the very first episodes (episode 5 or 6 I believe) and boy oh boy...Early in the episode Tuvok talks down to Harry Kim via some kind of discrete two-way com communication, and then afer something else happens Harry Kim says something really smart-ass to Tuvok without any repercussion. Also, Chakotay is helping Janeway find her "animal guide"...nuff said there. Neelix and Kess bring some finger foods onto the bridge after Voyager has a big disaster. Tuvok wanted to kill his ass, but to everyone else it was all fun and games. Just imagine if he would have tried that shit on the Enterprise...Picard would have had his ass! It's like they were trying to destroy Star Trek. The EMH is the best part of the show by far.
I'm trying real hard to get into Voyager, but man it's been tough. I'm only on season 1, disc 2 and I already have to motivate myself to watch it.
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[quote name='GuilewasNK']I honestly believe that subconciously Tuvok wants to kill him. :lol:[/quote]
I really wish that, if there is a new Trek series, there will be no more aliens that resemble used car salesmen.
Am I also the only one that feels that Janeway's worst decision ever was
...but it would have been sooooo worth it.
I really wish that, if there is a new Trek series, there will be no more aliens that resemble used car salesmen.
Am I also the only one that feels that Janeway's worst decision ever was
Splitting Tuvix back into Tuvok and Neelix. Yeah, not having Tuvok around would be a high price to pay...
...but it would have been sooooo worth it.
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[quote name='2Fast']Y'know, after buying and re-watching Generations, I don't see why people hate it so much. The only things that really bother me are the random uniforms and to a lesser extent, Kirk's death(s).[/quote]
Soran was a great villain IMO. He made the movie for me.
I generally hate it when characters are killed off in movies anyway, even if it makes sense for it to happen.
Soran was a great villain IMO. He made the movie for me.
I generally hate it when characters are killed off in movies anyway, even if it makes sense for it to happen.
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Soran was a great villain IMO. He made the movie for me.
I generally hate it when characters are killed off in movies anyway, even if it makes sense for it to happen.[/quote]
I think he's probably the weakest out of all the Star Trek movie villains, but he was well acted.
The movie has balls, they did more to Star Trek than in any other movie by far. Finally giving Data emotions, killing Picards family, destroying the Enterprise-D, and most importantly, killing off the legendary Captain James T. Kirk. It's definitely not among the best of the Trek films, but it doesn't deserve to be dogged on as much as it is (same goes for Insurrection and Search for Spock).
I generally hate it when characters are killed off in movies anyway, even if it makes sense for it to happen.[/quote]
I think he's probably the weakest out of all the Star Trek movie villains, but he was well acted.
The movie has balls, they did more to Star Trek than in any other movie by far. Finally giving Data emotions, killing Picards family, destroying the Enterprise-D, and most importantly, killing off the legendary Captain James T. Kirk. It's definitely not among the best of the Trek films, but it doesn't deserve to be dogged on as much as it is (same goes for Insurrection and Search for Spock).
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[quote name='2Fast']Y'know, after buying and re-watching Generations, I don't see why people hate it so much. The only things that really bother me are the random uniforms and to a lesser extent, Kirk's death(s).[/quote]
Why I Hate Generations
Okay, first I love Malcolm McDowell. I was really happy when I found out he'd be the villain in the movie. But, Soran is a boring character. McDowell does what he can with him, and certainly makes him watchable, but he can only do so much with what's there. Why is this the case? Let's check his motivation.
The Nexus. The reason the movie utterly fails for me. Here's this spatial anomaly travelling through the galaxy, and if you can get inside it, you can be happy forever. No one has mentioned it before. We'll never hear about it again. But here it is now.
See, there's this thing? It's called a holodeck. The Nexus is like a giant holodeck only not as good or convincing. Was Kirk happy? Not really. Was Picard happy? Again, not really. The Nexus gave them what they really truly wanted, which are things that most viewers would scratch their heads at and say "Huh?"
Before "Generations", did anyone really think Kirk wanted to ride horses and hang around with some woman who we've never heard about? This is his heaven? That's the best they could come up with?
Before "Generations", did anyone really think Picard wanted to hang out in an armchair surrounded by lots of kids? Didn't we cover this in the series? Oh yeah. So let's kill off his family. That way we can give him some regrets that he can forget all about later. Awfully convenient they should kick the bucket now, too.
These visions of 'heaven' are utterly stupid. On the one hand, we're supposed to believe that they are so convincing, so perfectly wonderful, that a man will obsess about it for seventy years and kill lots of people to get back into it. On the other hand, they also have to be so shallow that all it takes is a nuclear Christmas tree ornament (what the...?) to realize that there are better things you could be doing.
So, Malcolm McDowell aside, you have a villain whose motivation isn't convincing at all. Add into that that he's supposed to be Picard's dark foil -- all Soran really wants is to be with his family, same as Picard, only they make different choices. But we should be able to feel sorry for Soran, which isn't really the case, not when you're blowing up 20 million people, torturing Geordi, killing Kirk, and on and on. Are these the actions of a family man?
This could have been the story of obsession and regrets and really hard choices, but instead we get a guy who twirls his mustache and makes lots of cryptic comments about time. He should be a truly tortured soul. But he's just an evil caricature with the illusion of depth. He's as much of a plot device as the Nexus.
Good drama involves choices. There aren't many in this movie. Soran is just evil personified; we never get the sense that he actually thought about his actions or their consequences. He's just there to snarl, move the plot along and get killed at the end, like a well-behaved villain. Picard's great choice is whether or not to live in a holodeck that can't even convince him for ten minutes. No drama there. Somehow, it's a little harder to convince Kirk, but again -- same non-choice. Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that either Picard or Kirk would stay in the Nexus? Of course not. If there's no doubt, there's no drama.
Data makes a choice to use his emotion chip, which is one of the only areas where the movie actually works. We see the good and the bad that comes from this, and there's genuine emotion (as opposed to cheap manipulation by killing off family members for plot purposes) involved, no pun intended.
Everyone else (to the degree they're even in the movie) is a plot device. The destruction of the Enterprise is just a disaster flick, and nothing in there is especially dramatic since everyone reacts to what is happening and has no control over it.
"Time has no meaning here". Okay. You're Jean Luc Picard. You can leave the Nexus and go wherever and whenever you wish. How about before Soran and the Klingons kidnapped Geordi? How about behind Soran with a phaser, or on top of him, or well, anything, other than giving him a chance to win?
The reason is that wouldn't be dramatic enough, and it wouldn't give us a reason to kill Kirk. Those are bad reasons. If you're going to give a character an opportunity, then it has to be thought through, or the character appears stupid. This moment -- confronting Soran with Kirk -- isn't real life or even Star Trek -- it's Scooby Doo. "He's getting away! Get him!" "If it wasn't for you meddling Captains, I would have succeeded, too. Bwah ha ha!"
Speaking of Characters Behaving Stupidly...your Chief Engineer has been kidnapped by a madman and Klingons. During his capture, he is aware that his visor was removed. When he returns you:
A) Thoroughly scan and search him to make sure he's okay
B) Send him to sick bay
C) Send him right to engineering
Of course it's C, because that's what we need to further the plot. Geordi doesn't even think that he or his visor could be tampered with (although he has been kidnapped and brainwashed before, so you think someone might have at least asked).
Nobody notices the signal coming from him and his visor. And it just so happens that he goes right to the spot that Lursa and B'Etor need to see. I know, for example, that all of my most sensitive information is always on display on my computer's monitor.
This, I think, is an example of the movie's worst quality: things happen because they need them to happen to further the plot. It's like all of a sudden they got lazy. That's the perfect word for this movie: lazy.
They clearly wanted to blow up the Enterprise, so they concoct this stupidity with Geordi's visor. Then, of course, they want to blow up the Klingons, so they invent the Magic Technobabble that lets them get blown up real good.
This movie should have been legendary. Picard meeting Kirk and squaring off together against an adversary. Instead, it's Picard vs. an evil Lieutenant Barclay and Kirk vs. an unstable bridge. Oh my.
Why I Hate Generations
Okay, first I love Malcolm McDowell. I was really happy when I found out he'd be the villain in the movie. But, Soran is a boring character. McDowell does what he can with him, and certainly makes him watchable, but he can only do so much with what's there. Why is this the case? Let's check his motivation.
The Nexus. The reason the movie utterly fails for me. Here's this spatial anomaly travelling through the galaxy, and if you can get inside it, you can be happy forever. No one has mentioned it before. We'll never hear about it again. But here it is now.
See, there's this thing? It's called a holodeck. The Nexus is like a giant holodeck only not as good or convincing. Was Kirk happy? Not really. Was Picard happy? Again, not really. The Nexus gave them what they really truly wanted, which are things that most viewers would scratch their heads at and say "Huh?"
Before "Generations", did anyone really think Kirk wanted to ride horses and hang around with some woman who we've never heard about? This is his heaven? That's the best they could come up with?
Before "Generations", did anyone really think Picard wanted to hang out in an armchair surrounded by lots of kids? Didn't we cover this in the series? Oh yeah. So let's kill off his family. That way we can give him some regrets that he can forget all about later. Awfully convenient they should kick the bucket now, too.
These visions of 'heaven' are utterly stupid. On the one hand, we're supposed to believe that they are so convincing, so perfectly wonderful, that a man will obsess about it for seventy years and kill lots of people to get back into it. On the other hand, they also have to be so shallow that all it takes is a nuclear Christmas tree ornament (what the...?) to realize that there are better things you could be doing.
So, Malcolm McDowell aside, you have a villain whose motivation isn't convincing at all. Add into that that he's supposed to be Picard's dark foil -- all Soran really wants is to be with his family, same as Picard, only they make different choices. But we should be able to feel sorry for Soran, which isn't really the case, not when you're blowing up 20 million people, torturing Geordi, killing Kirk, and on and on. Are these the actions of a family man?
This could have been the story of obsession and regrets and really hard choices, but instead we get a guy who twirls his mustache and makes lots of cryptic comments about time. He should be a truly tortured soul. But he's just an evil caricature with the illusion of depth. He's as much of a plot device as the Nexus.
Good drama involves choices. There aren't many in this movie. Soran is just evil personified; we never get the sense that he actually thought about his actions or their consequences. He's just there to snarl, move the plot along and get killed at the end, like a well-behaved villain. Picard's great choice is whether or not to live in a holodeck that can't even convince him for ten minutes. No drama there. Somehow, it's a little harder to convince Kirk, but again -- same non-choice. Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that either Picard or Kirk would stay in the Nexus? Of course not. If there's no doubt, there's no drama.
Data makes a choice to use his emotion chip, which is one of the only areas where the movie actually works. We see the good and the bad that comes from this, and there's genuine emotion (as opposed to cheap manipulation by killing off family members for plot purposes) involved, no pun intended.
Everyone else (to the degree they're even in the movie) is a plot device. The destruction of the Enterprise is just a disaster flick, and nothing in there is especially dramatic since everyone reacts to what is happening and has no control over it.
"Time has no meaning here". Okay. You're Jean Luc Picard. You can leave the Nexus and go wherever and whenever you wish. How about before Soran and the Klingons kidnapped Geordi? How about behind Soran with a phaser, or on top of him, or well, anything, other than giving him a chance to win?
The reason is that wouldn't be dramatic enough, and it wouldn't give us a reason to kill Kirk. Those are bad reasons. If you're going to give a character an opportunity, then it has to be thought through, or the character appears stupid. This moment -- confronting Soran with Kirk -- isn't real life or even Star Trek -- it's Scooby Doo. "He's getting away! Get him!" "If it wasn't for you meddling Captains, I would have succeeded, too. Bwah ha ha!"
Speaking of Characters Behaving Stupidly...your Chief Engineer has been kidnapped by a madman and Klingons. During his capture, he is aware that his visor was removed. When he returns you:
A) Thoroughly scan and search him to make sure he's okay
B) Send him to sick bay
C) Send him right to engineering
Of course it's C, because that's what we need to further the plot. Geordi doesn't even think that he or his visor could be tampered with (although he has been kidnapped and brainwashed before, so you think someone might have at least asked).
Nobody notices the signal coming from him and his visor. And it just so happens that he goes right to the spot that Lursa and B'Etor need to see. I know, for example, that all of my most sensitive information is always on display on my computer's monitor.
This, I think, is an example of the movie's worst quality: things happen because they need them to happen to further the plot. It's like all of a sudden they got lazy. That's the perfect word for this movie: lazy.
They clearly wanted to blow up the Enterprise, so they concoct this stupidity with Geordi's visor. Then, of course, they want to blow up the Klingons, so they invent the Magic Technobabble that lets them get blown up real good.
This movie should have been legendary. Picard meeting Kirk and squaring off together against an adversary. Instead, it's Picard vs. an evil Lieutenant Barclay and Kirk vs. an unstable bridge. Oh my.
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A) You've read way too much into the movie for you to ever enjoy it. It's Star Trek. If we can believe we can travel faster than the speed of light in the future (which is impossible), we can certainly pretend things like duty and honor might compel someone to stop a madman who just wants to see his family again (which is a very motivational force, as a plot device and in real life).
And B), he does go to Sick Bay. No, they don't recognize the signal being sent to a cloaked Bird of Prey. But they never seem to get found by Data's ever-present life signature that they find about a billion copies of himself, or previous versions, on trap planets.
It was the first movie that didn't star TOS cast. You had to sell it. That's why you have Kirk. But you want him to go away, so you have to kill him. Perhaps it was a poor choice, but it doesn't make it a bad movie.
And I don't care what you say, the Worf-Riker-'Fire!' moment has Shatner written all over it. He should have been credited with a writing byline so he could have gotten an Oscar.
And B), he does go to Sick Bay. No, they don't recognize the signal being sent to a cloaked Bird of Prey. But they never seem to get found by Data's ever-present life signature that they find about a billion copies of himself, or previous versions, on trap planets.
It was the first movie that didn't star TOS cast. You had to sell it. That's why you have Kirk. But you want him to go away, so you have to kill him. Perhaps it was a poor choice, but it doesn't make it a bad movie.
And I don't care what you say, the Worf-Riker-'Fire!' moment has Shatner written all over it. He should have been credited with a writing byline so he could have gotten an Oscar.
Perhaps the Nexus really did show Picard and Kirk what they wanted. It showed Picard that what he really wanted was to stop Soran and showed Kirk that he really wanted to have more adventures. All Soran cared about was his family (I guess?) and I guess he just isn't as strong-willed as Picard and Kirk.
Also, who said Picard ever really left the Nexus? :shock:
You're right about (dumb) things needing to happen to advance the plot, but can you think of a Star Trek movie that doesn't do that to some degree? Movie format and time constraints really aren't conducive to Star Trek story-telling.
Is it a disappointing movie considering what could have been? Yes. Is it as bad as everyone makes it out to be? I certainly don't think so.
Also, who said Picard ever really left the Nexus? :shock:
You're right about (dumb) things needing to happen to advance the plot, but can you think of a Star Trek movie that doesn't do that to some degree? Movie format and time constraints really aren't conducive to Star Trek story-telling.
Is it a disappointing movie considering what could have been? Yes. Is it as bad as everyone makes it out to be? I certainly don't think so.
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Huh, didn't look it up until now. Apparently, those CG updated Star Trek episodes will appear in syndication starting this weekend. Thankfully, they'll replace the Enterprise episodes.
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[quote name='CocheseUGA']A) You've read way too much into the movie for you to ever enjoy it. It's Star Trek. [/quote]
You could say the same about "Nemesis" or any of the really dreadful TV episodes. I don't think Trek should get a pass because it's Star Trek.
Good drama is good drama, no matter the form or setting. The writers and producers have to care enough to write something that isn't full of contrivances, or the characters acting stupid, or more things that make you go "Say what?" instead of "Yeah, of course."
I enjoyed Star Treks II, III, IV and First Contact. VI had some problems, but made a decent effort. Generations is like all the bad stuff from VI, very little of the good, and absolutely none of the intelligence.
Compare the Wikipedia sections on themes for VI and Generations. For VI, there's all the cold war echoes, the Shakespeare, and historical and cultural references. Generations has the contrasting methods of how one deals with personal tragedy. Which is, apparently, overcome it or become a mad scientist, destroy suns and worlds, and find yourself a cheesy holodeck.
Nemesis has become the whipping boy of the Trek movies, but it totally deserves it. Generations -- to me, at any rate -- shares a lot in common with Nemesis. A poorly thought out villain (though acted well). A lot of stuff that causes the crew to act like idiots. A completely inappropriate method of transportation used boringly in a science fiction movie (dunebuggy/horse). Poor usage of the crew as a whole. And a completely uninspired killing off of a beloved character.
[quote name='CocheseUGA'] And B), he does go to Sick Bay. No, they don't recognize the signal being sent to a cloaked Bird of Prey. [/quote]
Whoops. I forgot about that. Change B to read "Confined to sick bay or his quarters for observation or recovery." After being kidnapped and tortured, it's just not believable that someone would return to duty on the same day.
[quote name='CocheseUGA']But they never seem to get found by Data's ever-present life signature that they find about a billion copies of himself, or previous versions, on trap planets.[/quote]
Saying other episodes or movies had equally stupid things doesn't excuse this movie's stupid things. And "But they did it in Nemesis" doesn't even qualify as an excuse.
[quote name='CocheseUGA']
It was the first movie that didn't star TOS cast. You had to sell it. That's why you have Kirk. But you want him to go away, so you have to kill him. Perhaps it was a poor choice, but it doesn't make it a bad movie.[/quote]
I don't mind Kirk's presence or his death; just how it all came about. A well written movie would have us believe the Nexus is real life, only better, and would have Kirk doing something that would have the audience saying "Yeah, that's totally Kirk's fantasy." instead of "That's it?"
If the Nexus was handled properly, we the audience should be looking at Kirk's and Picard's best-of-all-possible-worlds and we should be wanting them to stay. We should feel sad or torn or anguished that they have to leave. All I felt like was looking at my watch.
Kirk deserves more than to be dropped off a bridge. Rather than feeling like a necessary consequence of the events, it feels like "well, this is how we're going to kill him." It feels like an artificial afterthought, or like someone had five minutes to think about how to end Kirk's career and ran out of time before thinking of anything better.
He doesn't have to go out in a blaze of glory or on the bridge of a starship. Spock's death, I thought, was handled really well, and it was really affecting. Kirk's death, on the other hand, feels like just another plot point to be checked off a list
Maybe I hate Generations for what it could have been but wasn't, which isn't the most fair thing in the world. But what is there isn't a great movie, or even a good one. I admire The Undiscovered Country, even though I think it had a lot of rough spots or things gone wrong, because it at least had the ambition to try to be a good movie.
I honestly don't think Generations tried that hard at all. They threw together a bunch of stuff and hoped it would magically form a good movie, somehow. But wishing it did doesn't make it so.
You could say the same about "Nemesis" or any of the really dreadful TV episodes. I don't think Trek should get a pass because it's Star Trek.
Good drama is good drama, no matter the form or setting. The writers and producers have to care enough to write something that isn't full of contrivances, or the characters acting stupid, or more things that make you go "Say what?" instead of "Yeah, of course."
I enjoyed Star Treks II, III, IV and First Contact. VI had some problems, but made a decent effort. Generations is like all the bad stuff from VI, very little of the good, and absolutely none of the intelligence.
Compare the Wikipedia sections on themes for VI and Generations. For VI, there's all the cold war echoes, the Shakespeare, and historical and cultural references. Generations has the contrasting methods of how one deals with personal tragedy. Which is, apparently, overcome it or become a mad scientist, destroy suns and worlds, and find yourself a cheesy holodeck.
Nemesis has become the whipping boy of the Trek movies, but it totally deserves it. Generations -- to me, at any rate -- shares a lot in common with Nemesis. A poorly thought out villain (though acted well). A lot of stuff that causes the crew to act like idiots. A completely inappropriate method of transportation used boringly in a science fiction movie (dunebuggy/horse). Poor usage of the crew as a whole. And a completely uninspired killing off of a beloved character.
[quote name='CocheseUGA'] And B), he does go to Sick Bay. No, they don't recognize the signal being sent to a cloaked Bird of Prey. [/quote]
Whoops. I forgot about that. Change B to read "Confined to sick bay or his quarters for observation or recovery." After being kidnapped and tortured, it's just not believable that someone would return to duty on the same day.
[quote name='CocheseUGA']But they never seem to get found by Data's ever-present life signature that they find about a billion copies of himself, or previous versions, on trap planets.[/quote]
Saying other episodes or movies had equally stupid things doesn't excuse this movie's stupid things. And "But they did it in Nemesis" doesn't even qualify as an excuse.
[quote name='CocheseUGA']
It was the first movie that didn't star TOS cast. You had to sell it. That's why you have Kirk. But you want him to go away, so you have to kill him. Perhaps it was a poor choice, but it doesn't make it a bad movie.[/quote]
I don't mind Kirk's presence or his death; just how it all came about. A well written movie would have us believe the Nexus is real life, only better, and would have Kirk doing something that would have the audience saying "Yeah, that's totally Kirk's fantasy." instead of "That's it?"
If the Nexus was handled properly, we the audience should be looking at Kirk's and Picard's best-of-all-possible-worlds and we should be wanting them to stay. We should feel sad or torn or anguished that they have to leave. All I felt like was looking at my watch.
Kirk deserves more than to be dropped off a bridge. Rather than feeling like a necessary consequence of the events, it feels like "well, this is how we're going to kill him." It feels like an artificial afterthought, or like someone had five minutes to think about how to end Kirk's career and ran out of time before thinking of anything better.
He doesn't have to go out in a blaze of glory or on the bridge of a starship. Spock's death, I thought, was handled really well, and it was really affecting. Kirk's death, on the other hand, feels like just another plot point to be checked off a list
Maybe I hate Generations for what it could have been but wasn't, which isn't the most fair thing in the world. But what is there isn't a great movie, or even a good one. I admire The Undiscovered Country, even though I think it had a lot of rough spots or things gone wrong, because it at least had the ambition to try to be a good movie.
I honestly don't think Generations tried that hard at all. They threw together a bunch of stuff and hoped it would magically form a good movie, somehow. But wishing it did doesn't make it so.
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[quote name='blandstalker']
Nemesis has become the whipping boy of the Trek movies, but it totally deserves it. Generations -- to me, at any rate -- shares a lot in common with Nemesis. A poorly thought out villain (though acted well). A lot of stuff that causes the crew to act like idiots. A completely inappropriate method of transportation used boringly in a science fiction movie (dunebuggy/horse). Poor usage of the crew as a whole. And a completely uninspired killing off of a beloved character. [/quote]
Agreed.
I also agree about the dune buggy stuff. In another movie it would have been pretty cool, but it seemed a bit out of place in Star Trek.
IMO, the ideal final TNG movie should have had a story focused on Q, but they did so many stories in the series with Q that they would have been hard pressed to find something worthy to tell on the big screen. You can only do so many, "save humanity" stories. A story dealing with Q would have had to be more cerebral than they would want in a theatrical release too. Let's face it, the reason First Contact is so awesome (and enjoyed even by non Trek fans)is because it combines Star Trek's greatest strengths (the unknown, time travel, people meeting new races) and pretty darn good action.
Nemesis has become the whipping boy of the Trek movies, but it totally deserves it. Generations -- to me, at any rate -- shares a lot in common with Nemesis. A poorly thought out villain (though acted well). A lot of stuff that causes the crew to act like idiots. A completely inappropriate method of transportation used boringly in a science fiction movie (dunebuggy/horse). Poor usage of the crew as a whole. And a completely uninspired killing off of a beloved character. [/quote]
Agreed.
The fact there was another unknown android was pretty silly. Unless that had been established previously in the series it seems really contrived.
I also agree about the dune buggy stuff. In another movie it would have been pretty cool, but it seemed a bit out of place in Star Trek.
IMO, the ideal final TNG movie should have had a story focused on Q, but they did so many stories in the series with Q that they would have been hard pressed to find something worthy to tell on the big screen. You can only do so many, "save humanity" stories. A story dealing with Q would have had to be more cerebral than they would want in a theatrical release too. Let's face it, the reason First Contact is so awesome (and enjoyed even by non Trek fans)is because it combines Star Trek's greatest strengths (the unknown, time travel, people meeting new races) and pretty darn good action.
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Agreed.
I also agree about the dune buggy stuff. In another movie it would have been pretty cool, but it seemed a bit out of place in Star Trek.
IMO, the ideal final TNG movie should have had a story focused on Q, but they did so many stories in the series with Q that they would have been hard pressed to find something worthy to tell on the big screen. You can only do so many, "save humanity" stories. A story dealing with Q would have had to be more cerebral than they would want in a theatrical release too. Let's face it, the reason First Contact is so awesome (and enjoyed even by non Trek fans)is because it combines Star Trek's greatest strengths (the unknown, time travel, people meeting new races) and pretty darn good action.[/QUOTE]
The Next Generation Series Finale would have made an amazing movie and it dealt with Q pretty heavily.
The fact there was another unknown android was pretty silly. Unless that had been established previously in the series it seems really contrived.
I also agree about the dune buggy stuff. In another movie it would have been pretty cool, but it seemed a bit out of place in Star Trek.
IMO, the ideal final TNG movie should have had a story focused on Q, but they did so many stories in the series with Q that they would have been hard pressed to find something worthy to tell on the big screen. You can only do so many, "save humanity" stories. A story dealing with Q would have had to be more cerebral than they would want in a theatrical release too. Let's face it, the reason First Contact is so awesome (and enjoyed even by non Trek fans)is because it combines Star Trek's greatest strengths (the unknown, time travel, people meeting new races) and pretty darn good action.[/QUOTE]
The Next Generation Series Finale would have made an amazing movie and it dealt with Q pretty heavily.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']The Next Generation Series Finale would have made an amazing movie and it dealt with Q pretty heavily.[/quote]
I read somewhere that they came up with "All Good Things..." and Generations at around the same time, I guess Generations got the leftovers.
I read somewhere that they came up with "All Good Things..." and Generations at around the same time, I guess Generations got the leftovers.
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Wow, it's really hard to tell the difference. They had the "Balance of Terror" episode on this weekend with the new CG space scenes. You can barely tell the difference for the Enterprise & the intro other than them smoothing out the animation. The Bird of Prey seemed much brighter compared to the original version.
[quote name='tangytangerine']Wow, it's really hard to tell the difference. They had the "Balance of Terror" episode on this weekend with the new CG space scenes. You can barely tell the difference for the Enterprise & the intro other than them smoothing out the animation. The Bird of Prey seemed much brighter compared to the original version.[/quote]
What channel are the remastered episodes coming on?
What channel are the remastered episodes coming on?
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