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[quote name='2Fast']"Way of the Warrior" 1 & 2 are on today, gotta love Worf + DS9.[/quote]

Man, I'll only be able to watch the first part before I have to go to work.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']It says "The url contained a malformed video id." Can't see the vid. I am assuming it is the new Captain Kirk commerical though.[/quote]

yeah that was it.
 
Star Trek encounters is a damn good game for $20. Nothing terribly deep but it will keep you entertained, especially if you're a trek fan.
 
Not sure if anyone has seen this before, but apparently Wil Wheaton is now doing reviews of old Star Trek: TNG episodes. I haven't read too much of it, but I've heard they're pretty funny.

http://www.tvsquad.com/bloggers/wil-wheaton/


He mentions somewhere that when he was little and was in the show, he often thought some of his lines were ridiculously stupid and hated saying some of the shit they made him say. He didn't learn until later that one of the writers really hated him because he hated that there was a kid on Star Trek, and purposely wrote stupid ass lines for him to say. :lol:
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Star Trek encounters is a damn good game for $20. Nothing terribly deep but it will keep you entertained, especially if you're a trek fan.[/quote]

Could you tell me a little more about it? I would really appreciate it.
 
[quote name='GuyWithGun']Not sure if anyone has seen this before, but apparently Wil Wheaton is now doing reviews of old Star Trek: TNG episodes. I haven't read too much of it, but I've heard they're pretty funny.

http://www.tvsquad.com/bloggers/wil-wheaton/


He mentions somewhere that when he was little and was in the show, he often thought some of his lines were ridiculously stupid and hated saying some of the shit they made him say. He didn't learn until later that one of the writers really hated him because he hated that there was a kid on Star Trek, and purposely wrote stupid ass lines for him to say. :lol:[/quote]

I'll check it out. Unfortunately I have the day off so I'll have free time (most of which I'll use to watch DS9 and TNG unless something comes up).
 
I really don't like the Starfleet uniforms that debuted in DS9 and that were used in Voyager, they look really chintzy.
 
I have to say, I love having a DVR now. I never got a chance to watch DS9 when it was on, but I've been DVRing 2 episodes a day, great stuff, a lot better than the episodes here or there I remember seeing.
 
[quote name='2Fast']Neelix has to be the worst/most annoying character in all of Star Trek...[/quote]

It took you this long? What finally pushed you over the edge with him?
 
[quote name='blandstalker']It took you this long? What finally pushed you over the edge with him?[/quote]

The fact he managed to snag a hottie like Kes makes me think she lost an intergalactic bet somewhere. :lol:
 
[quote name='blandstalker']It took you this long? What finally pushed you over the edge with him?[/quote]
Well, I felt that way from the second he appeared, but I guess after one and a half seasons, it's just become too much. The episode that really pushed me over the edge is where he and Tom Paris get into a spaghetti fight over Kes.
 
[quote name='2Fast']I HATE Jellico :bomb:[/quote]

:lol: I think everyone does. Even when he left the ship you could tell the crew was thinking, "about damn time he left."
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']:lol: I think everyone does. Even when he left the ship you could tell the crew was thinking, "about damn time he left."[/quote]

He even managed to really piss Geordi off, something few could do. I would have liked to see Geordi be more of a bad-ass, but most of the time he came off as a big wuss.
 
[quote name='2Fast']He even managed to really piss Geordi off, something few could do. I would have liked to see Geordi be more of a bad-ass, but most of the time he came off as a big wuss.[/quote]

It didn't help that Geordi was pretty inept around women. I was reading on Memory Alpha that Sonya Gomez was going to be a romantic interest for him. I wish they would have went ahead and ran with that idea. She was very attractive IMO and her personality would have really worked well with Geordi.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Sonya_Gomez

I mentioned it before, but I think he and Ro should have gotten together after after the episode "The Next Phase". They spent a lot of time together in that ep and really seemed to hit it off at the end.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']It didn't help that Geordi was pretty inept around women. I was reading on Memory Alpha that Sonya Gomez was going to be a romantic interest for him. I wish they would have went ahead and ran with that idea. She was very attractive IMO and her personality would have really worked well with Geordi.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Sonya_Gomez

I mentioned it before, but I think he and Ro should have gotten together after after the episode "The Next Phase". They spent a lot of time together in that ep and really seemed to hit it off at the end.[/quote]

They should have let him get some tail in Nemesis, but they couldn't do anything right if they tried in that movie; he should have got Guinan liquored up at the wedding. Come to think of it, he didn't do shit in that movie, besides smile reassuringly and act sad when Data dies. I bet the reason he was so inept is because his VISOR and implants had an x-ray vision setting, so he just took in the sights.
 
[quote name='2Fast']Whoa Guile, where'd you get the logos in your sig from?[/quote]

I found them through a google search. I was going to do a sig with my favorite Trek characters but I don't feel like fooling with Photoshop today. You are welcome to use those too if you want.
 
So do you guys think there will ever be another Star Trek TV series? And if so, what would it be about?

I think if anything there will be a series revolving around the Titan which will have a few familiar faces on it.
 
[quote name='2Fast']So do you guys think there will ever be another Star Trek TV series? And if so, what would it be about?

I think if anything there will be a series revolving around the Titan which will have a few familiar faces on it.[/quote]

I dunno. I hope so, but I personally want a new animated series done by Warner Bros. in the same art style as Justice League Unlimited. I know that is really unlikely though.

*EDIT* I went back and this is the site I found for the Klingon logo. Whoa! I just looked at teh direct link for the logo and not the actual site. Some cool stuff there! I might use a different Starfleet one now.

http://www.tucoo.com/icon/trekinsignia/
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I dunno. I hope so, but I personally want a new animated series done by Warner Bros. in the same art style as Justice League Unlimited. I know that is really unlikely though.[/quote]
That would be pretty cool, actually. Definitely would save cheap-o Paramount some money and would give us fans something to watch while the future of the franchise is being decided. I just hope that the franchise isn't dead, at least as far as TV goes.

EDIT: Awesome site, Guile.
 
[quote name='lordwow']He was annoying because he rubbed the entire crew the wrong way. But I don't put Jellico anywhere near Neelix on the annoying factor.[/quote]

There's an even bigger reason why.

Jellico was created with a giant bullseye on him. You were supposed to hate him.

I'm guessing Neelix was created by someone who thought the Ferengi were the Best Aliens Ever but greed was already taken, so Neelix would be all about jealousy. But in a fun, wacky uncle, sort of way. I'll never understand why anyone thought this was a good idea.

But, unlike Jellico, we were supposed to like Neelix. More than, say, fingernails on a chalkboard.

Which makes it so much worse.
 
[quote name='2Fast']So do you guys think there will ever be another Star Trek TV series? And if so, what would it be about?[/quote]

Of course there will be. Maybe not for a few years, because the death of Enterprise is still fresh, but it's inevitable.

I think it's safe to say it won't be pre-TNG. This just didn't work for Enterprise. It was a good idea, poorly executed -- using dumber names for the same technologies doesn't make it seem less advanced. And they just didn't have the discipline to tell stories that fit within established timelines and continuities and still make sense.

I don't think it will be at Starfleet Academy, since that pegs it to Earth, which as a location is even more boring than a space station. Would it make sense for a bunch of students to be gallivanting all over the galaxy? No, it would be silly. (Which means the smart money really is on this for the next series, but I don't want to be that cynical).

I think it also won't be in the far future. They're going to want it to seem familiar. They're also going to be looking toward their biggest success and not straying too far from it. That's TNG for sure.

So, look for a series set 10-20 years after the end of TNG. Probably a mission of exploration, but there will be some kind of hook or catch. Maybe a big bad alien that's on the rampage?

Yeah, that's it. A menacing and mysterious alien threat has destroyed the Klingon and Romulan empires, smashed the Borg, and annhiliated the Ferengi. A crew made up of representatives of all of these, plus Starfleet officers, are sent on a mission to find these aliens before they destroy Earth.

Or they could just do a buddy sitcom with Quark and Neelix.
 
[quote name='blandstalker']Of course there will be. Maybe not for a few years, because the death of Enterprise is still fresh, but it's inevitable.

I think it's safe to say it won't be pre-TNG. This just didn't work for Enterprise. It was a good idea, poorly executed -- using dumber names for the same technologies doesn't make it seem less advanced. And they just didn't have the discipline to tell stories that fit within established timelines and continuities and still make sense.

I don't think it will be at Starfleet Academy, since that pegs it to Earth, which as a location is even more boring than a space station. Would it make sense for a bunch of students to be gallivanting all over the galaxy? No, it would be silly. (Which means the smart money really is on this for the next series, but I don't want to be that cynical).

I think it also won't be in the far future. They're going to want it to seem familiar. They're also going to be looking toward their biggest success and not straying too far from it. That's TNG for sure.

So, look for a series set 10-20 years after the end of TNG. Probably a mission of exploration, but there will be some kind of hook or catch. Maybe a big bad alien that's on the rampage?

Yeah, that's it. A menacing and mysterious alien threat has destroyed the Klingon and Romulan empires, smashed the Borg, and annhiliated the Ferengi. A crew made up of representatives of all of these, plus Starfleet officers, are sent on a mission to find these aliens before they destroy Earth.

Or they could just do a buddy sitcom with Quark and Neelix.[/QUOTE]

There was a long discussion about this over on DVDTalk, most of the consensus was there should be another TNG-era show.

My suggestion was a darker-tone (DS9 like I suppose) with more of an ensemble cast on a smaller ship. Exploring the galaxy and all of that, but having run-ins with the most well known events (Borg invasion(s) and Dominon War). I even went so far as to say it should be "Lost"-like in the sense that not everyone is tenured for 7 years or whatever, so they can kill of main characters, and examine that aspect of life in the future.
 
I still think they'll do a series revolving around the Titan and it will feature Riker, Troi, Wesley Crusher, and possibly Tuvok (in the Titan books I believe he was made part of the crew). The possibilities for cameos are endless.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']After seeing this last DS9 episode, Sikso and Kira would have been an interesting pairing.[/quote]

Indeed.

Ooooh Little Green Men is on, this is a fun episode.
 
[quote name='2Fast']I still think they'll do a series revolving around the Titan and it will feature Riker, Troi, Wesley Crusher, and possibly Tuvok (in the Titan books I believe he was made part of the crew). The possibilities for cameos are endless.[/quote]

Troi and Wesley Crusher are two of the most hated characters in all of Star Trek. I don't know about you, but I'd want this series to have a chance to succeed.

It's a shame about Troi, too. I saw Marina Sirtis at a convention once. She's fun, interesting, and captivating. Basically everything her character is not.
 
[quote name='2Fast']So do you guys think there will ever be another Star Trek TV series? And if so, what would it be about?
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I think we will see another Trek some day, but I would guess it would be on cable since it wouldn't have the ratings expectations of a network show and the vast majority of the fanbase will be able to watch it.
Plus now that the other shows are over they can rehire a crew for a lower cost, and maybe even film the show in Canada, among other cost saving methods.
 
[quote name='blandstalker']Troi and Wesley Crusher are two of the most hated characters in all of Star Trek. I don't know about you, but I'd want this series to have a chance to succeed.

It's a shame about Troi, too. I saw Marina Sirtis at a convention once. She's fun, interesting, and captivating. Basically everything her character is not.[/quote]

What do people hate about Troi so much? I know people hate Wesley, but now that he's an adult I think he could be forgiven.
 
[quote name='2Fast']What do people hate about Troi so much? I know people hate Wesley, but now that he's an adult I think he could be forgiven.[/quote]

In the first few episodes she didn't just sense emotions,she felt them with whoever she was sensing them from.

I really don't hate Troi or Crusher. Troi was too hot to hate, and Wes snagged Ashley Judd for cryin' out loud! :lol:

Beverly grated me the wrong way though.
 
[quote name='2Fast']What do people hate about Troi so much? I know people hate Wesley, but now that he's an adult I think he could be forgiven.[/quote]

I don't hate Troi, but her character was ill-considered from the start.

Obviously mind-reading was out of the question, so they gave her empathy. But this led to lots of dialogue that was either obvious ("They're hiding something!" No, really?) or lame ("I sense...something. Strong emotion." Yeah, that's helpful).

This led mostly to her character being a conduit for exposition that was...already completely obvious or superfluous. She should have been a great advantage but how many times did Troi actually make a difference?

Troi episodes also tend to rank toward the bottom of the barrel. "The Loss" (featuring two-dimensional characters that were more interesting than Troi), "The Price" (featuring perhaps the lamest seduction not involving Geordi), "The Child" (ugh). Then there's the Lwaxana Troi episodes. While I enjoy watching Majel Barret and seeing Lwaxana Troi, these episodes tend to be awful. Finally, Troi unfortunately gets featured in many of the "problem with the families" episodes, which tend to have annoying child actors and tedious plotlines.

For a counselor, she is often whiny (see "The Loss") or easily upset or unhinged. Guinan is almost always a better counselor, and managed to get a lot of the scenes Troi should have had. You can essentially sum up all of Troi in three words: counselor, chocolate, and cleavage.

Her character goes nowhere. The most interesting thing she does is go for command, which was pretty brief. The rest of the time she's defined by her non-relationship with Riker, her relationship with Worf, and her earth-mother position of counselor.

There are few exceptions. One is "Face of the Enemy", where Troi is deposited in a situation and has to deal with it. It plays to her strengths and insecurites, and she's able to carry the show. Also, she plays a good supporting role in "Darmok". But these really good uses of her character are the exceptions. And it's pretty interesting to note that the best Troi episode has her off the ship, outside her normal job, pretending to be a Romulan.

Really, did you ever say "Oh boy! A Troi episode!" ? Can you name your top five Troi episodes? Do you even have 5 Troi episodes you can name?
 
[quote name='blandstalker']Really, did you ever say "Oh boy! A Troi episode!" ? Can you name your top five Troi episodes? Do you even have 5 Troi episodes you can name?[/quote]

Other than the awesome "Face of the Enemy" (one of my favorite overall TNG episodes) that you mentioned, I can't think of any. The one where she and her mother were abducted by a Ferengi was cool but that was as much a Riker/Luwaxana episode as it was Troi.

Excellent analysis BTW.
 
I was never excited about Troi episodes, although I do like the occasional Luwaxana episode. Not too many, but it's always fun to see her drive Picard up the wall.
 
The thing is, most usually only Picard, Worf, and Data episodes were really good and to a lesser extent, Riker. Geordi, Troi, Beverly, Pulaski, Wesley and recurring character episodes were mostly lame.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I bet I am the only one here who wished Dr. Pulaski replaced Crusher for teh whole series. :lol:[/quote]

Only one part of my body disagrees with that statement ;)
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']I bet you are.[/quote]

:lol:

I know a lot of people found her to be Bones 2.0, but I just really liked her personality clashes with Picard. Beverly just seemed so blah. Beverly acted like the ultimate idealist and Pulaski was a realist.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']:lol:

I know a lot of people found her to be Bones 2.0, but I just really liked her personality clashes with Picard. Beverly just seemed so blah. Beverly acted like the ultimate idealist and Pulaski was a realist.[/quote]

I wish Picard would have finally boned Beverly in Nemesis.
 
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