Super Smash Bros. Brawl - Gen. Discussion & Info

[quote name='lilboo']Peach's Final Smash is going to be really useful on stages that move ^_^[/quote]

LOL.

Snake's FS is going to be nuts on stages that move. But it'll also be more of an advantage for Snake to escape the stage for that 30 seconds or so if the stage is so dangerous.
 
[quote name='maigoyume']its like using lucas's FS, its effectiveness is stage dependant, can't win'em all[/quote]I don't know what ya'll are talking about everyone knows the real smash players will only be playing on Final Destination anyway. This will allow us to perfect using FS on a flat planar field. So it's even and fair. The only way top lay really when you think about it. Not that it matters because final smashes break the game and we'll all be playing without them or any item except riceballs.[quote name='dallow']How did GFAQs of all sites/forums figure this out.
[/quote]I'm going to refer you to my reference post. It was revealed in the new japanese commercial. For what it's worth some of you have terrible vision. I saw the uncut video and it doesn't go by too fast to see. They have scrubbed it now so you can't see to whom the stickers attach.[quote name='ChibiJosh']anomynous - Who's Lucario?
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/448.shtml[/quote]That doesn't help at all unless you actually have a Lucario in your game and you don't know what to do with it. The Wikilink is much easier to comprehend.
 
[quote name='Wolfkin']That doesn't help at all unless you actually have a Lucario in your game and you don't know what to do with it. The Wikilink is much easier to comprehend.[/quote]

I was just going for a picture, and a list of attacks since at least one person mentioned that his moveset would be similar to Mewtwo's.
 
Ok, as much as I like new characters, I'm getting tired of the Pokemon (much like how people were complaining about swordsmen). And this is coming from someone who even thinks Pichu has his place in the game, and readily uses Jigglypuff. Hell, I will pull out Irish Pikachu simply to say things in a badly stereotyped Irish accent. M' Boy-o.

We have literally dozens of characters that would be more enjoyable than another Pokemon, who - as a series represented in Smash - already hold a huge majority in terms of playable characters, assist trophies, trophies-to-win, etc. I'm willing to bet there are more stickers, trophies, and overall content devoted to Pokemon than even Mario. There's enough.

But since I haven't touched a Pokemon game since Blue, I'll just chalk it up as something that doesn't appeal to me and leave it at that.

Which means you should read this post as nothing more than empty whining from someone who really, really wants to play the game. :(
 
I think it seems like there's a lot of Pokemon characters in this game because of the addition of the 3 with Pokemon Trainer, but there's exactly the same amount as Pokemon characters in Melee. Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokmon Trainer & Lucario. Take away trainer & Lucario and you have Pichu & Mewtwo.

But I agree, there's so many people.. better people..that can be in this game. Sigh @
Star Wolf
..........:whistle2:\
 
Arrr... I be with Strell! They finally lose their monopoly on the "best items ever", and now we get new playable Pokemon? If I don't get Hector out of this, somebody's gonna get-a hurt real bad.

...

I went from pirate accent to normal to Indian on that one. That's how strongly I feel about this.
 
I do agree, Strell, the Poke-level in this game is a bit much. However, lilboo's correct: there is the exact same number of playable Pokemon in Brawl as there were in Melee. Pikachu and Jigglypuff were fun characters, and the Pokemon Trainer is going to be a far, far better character than Pichu. Yeah, we'd have better off if Mewtwo had gotten replaced by a non-Pokemon character, but I guess Nintendo's gotta keep the kiddie appeal going strong. On the other hand, Poke-mania isn't exactly at its peak. Heck, it was on the downward slope in early 2002 when Melee was released. So I do sort of question the need for a fourth Pokemon character, but as long as he's at least as fun to control as Mewtwo was, I'm fine with his presence.
 
Two things.

1:

[quote name='Killer Rabbit']there is the exact same number of playable Pokemon in Brawl as there were in Melee[/quote]

So far.

2:

On the other hand, Poke-mania isn't exactly at its peak. Heck, it was on the downward slope in early 2002 when Melee was released.

I do not know the data or have the figures, but I'm pretty sure Diamond/Pearl are selling extraordinarily well, given the added wi-fi capability. Pokemania has fluctuated, but I'm willing to bet it is higher now than it has been in previous years.

Also, TC, I'd think that was Italian there at the end. But maybe I'm just trying to push my own interests, and thus seeing it where it might not be.
 
Poke-mania hasn't gone downhill though, especially when Diamond & Pearl came it. It was rather crazy. I think this is a good number of pokemon though.
 
I don't think Brawl has too many Pokemon. Consider how popular the franchise is, and the fact that they have hundreds of potential characters, 4 isn't all that unreasonable.
 
[quote name='Strell']
Also, TC, I'd think that was Italian there at the end. But maybe I'm just trying to push my own interests, and thus seeing it where it might not be.[/quote]Youtube "Russel Peters". Now-like.

[quote name='Kaijufan']I don't think Brawl has too many Pokemon. Consider how popular the franchise is, and the fact that they have hundreds of potential characters, 4 isn't all that unreasonable.[/quote]... and they've got, like, 30 items. I think that counts for something.
 
[quote name='Strell']Two things.

1:
So far.
[/quote]
True. If a fifth playable Pokemon is announced, I'll be irritated, for sure. But I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

2:
I do not know the data or have the figures, but I'm pretty sure Diamond/Pearl are selling extraordinarily well, given the added wi-fi capability. Pokemania has fluctuated, but I'm willing to bet it is higher now than it has been in previous years.
Well, it's certainly more popular now than it was a few years ago, that's for sure. But I seem to remember it being practically nothing a few years ago. I'm probably just too out of touch with the main Pokemon fan base, though.
 
Yeah I love Pokeballs. They are easily my favorite item in the first two games.

Also, Pokemon Diamond and Pearl has sold about 12 million copies worldwide.
 
[quote name='Wolfkin']I don't know what ya'll are talking about everyone knows the real smash players will only be playing on Final Destination anyway.[/QUOTE]

You know, sometimes I wonder if these "real" smash players actually get any entertainment value out of the game considering they typically only play one level, 1-2 characters, and no items. Half the fun of smash to me is the randomness involved.

On the subject of Pokemon, I was thinking the exact same thing that Pokemon has a very strong existence in brawl. As it stands right now, I think that four does equate to a nice balance, provided each character's move set is fundamentally different. If there were any more additional playable Pokemon characters, I would feel that the amount of characters is a little too extreme; but as it stands right now it's okay.
 
Now, if every other franchise got as many characters as Pokemon got, I'd be fine with that.

I'll just be over here listing off the FE characters I want...
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Now, if every other franchise got as many characters as Pokemon got, I'd be fine with that.

I'll just be over here listing off the FE characters I want...[/quote]

Well, let's see:

Of the franchises currently represented in Brawl (from the wikipedia entry):

Mario: Five (Mario, Bowser, Peach, Yoshi, and Wario). Potentially seven if Dr. Mario and Luigi return. I'd put fairly good odds on Luigi returning, and fairly bad odds on Dr. Mario, since we're getting Wario.

Donkey Kong:
Two (Diddy Kong and Donkey Kong).

Star Fox:
One. Potentially two if this Star Wolf rumor is true; I highly doubt that we'll be getting Falco and Star Wolf, though. At least, I hope we don't.

Zelda:
Two (Link & Zelda). Three if you count Sheik; potentially four (five if you count Sheik) if Ganondorf and Young Link return.

Kirby:
Three (Kirby, Dedede, and Meta Knight).

Earthbound:
Two now (Ness & Lucas).

Pikmin, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Ice Climber, Kid Icarus, Metal Gear, Sonic:
One each. Two for Metroid if you count Zero Suit Samus.

So, which franchises are probably going to be lacking? Donkey Kong and Star Fox will, I'm sure. And I'm more than okay with that. Not that DK and Fox aren't cool, but nobody else in either of those franchises is worthy of inclusion. Except maybe Slippy, since, as I mentioned, he could be the Dan of SSBB. Kirby and Zelda look like they're hitting the sweet spot, and Mario has more than enough already. Frankly, I'm surprised Ness made the cut, if only because of how similar Lucas' moves are to the ones Ness had in Melee. I don't know the Earthbound series at all, though, so I don't know if there were any better choices. Earthbound fans do deserve at least two characters. Pikmin, Metroid, and Ice Climbers don't really offer any more likely choices. I don't know Kid Icarus, but it sounds like the same situation with that game.

So, that leaves Fire Emblem, Metal Gear, and Sonic. Fire Emblem does seem like the most likely franchise to receive new characters. Metal Gear and Sonic are both dependant on whether or not Sakurai wants to allow more than one character per third-party franchise. I imagine he does, but you never know.
 
[quote name='BlueLobstah']YOn the subject of Pokemon, I was thinking the exact same thing that Pokemon has a very strong existence in brawl. As it stands right now, I think that four does equate to a nice balance, provided each character's move set is fundamentally different. If there were any more additional playable Pokemon characters, I would feel that the amount of characters is a little too extreme; but as it stands right now it's okay.[/quote]

Well, let's think about this mathematically. Pokemon has nearly 500 characters in its series. How many character do any of the other series have total? A couple dozen max (with the exception of Fire Emblem which I assume has quite a bit). Comparitively, it should have that many more pieces (characters/items) in Brawl.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']Well, let's think about this mathematically. Pokemon has nearly 500 characters in its series. How many character do any of the other series have total? A couple dozen max (with the exception of Fire Emblem which I assume has quite a bit). Comparitively, it should have that many more pieces (characters/items) in Brawl.[/QUOTE]

I just don't feel one franchise should overwhelm the other. Provided some franchises have limited characters to choose from (Metroid, Pikmin, Kid Icarus, ect.), I just feel every franchise should be given an equal opportunity. I think the amount of playable Pokemon characters is at a fine balance right now, but any more would be overkill, especially given the flexibility of Pokemon Trainer.
 
Since we are on the talk of Pokemon, I wonder how many Pokeballs we will get this time around. Since our current total of Pokemon is 493 (lol, really ridiculous) it just makes ya wonder how many is enough.. or too little.

I know many people have said that the game is pretty heavy on Pokemon, but how would you all feel if they had 100 different Pokeballs? Personally, I think that would be awesome.. but I'm a fan of Pokemon so of course that tickles my fancy ;)

And since AT's are just glorified Pokeballs, how many do you think is enough? Personally, I think there should be more AT's then Pokeballs. AT's can be ANYONE..where Pokeballs have a max. Yeah, there won't be 493 Pokeballs (But would be awesome, nonetheless..) but they technically can not have more then that. ATs just seem endless...:applause:

I'm actually looking forward to being surprised by some kick ass ATs then I am about hidden characters.
 
[quote name='BlueLobstah']I just don't feel one franchise should overwhelm the other. Provided some franchises have limited characters to choose from (Metroid, Pikmin, Kid Icarus, ect.), I just feel every franchise should be given an equal opportunity. I think the amount of playable Pokemon characters is at a fine balance right now, but any more would be overkill, especially given the flexibility of Pokemon Trainer.[/quote]

People were also mentioning how many items pokemon had, so I wasn't just addressing playable characters.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Who is "Star Wolf"?[/QUOTE]

:rofl: Well his name is Wolf and he's FROM Star Wolf. MY bad :razz:

But I don't know if you were being sarcastic, so ::shrugs:: :lol:

EDIT: Oh. This seems to be a pretty good screen shot of the character selection screen. I'd say this is believable.
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Man, I don't give a damn about Brawl unless it has Captain Falcon in it. Because I want to do FAL-CONE PAUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and if I can't do FALCON PUNCH in this game, I'm not buying it.
 
This Pokemon looks like it's going to be a lot of fun.
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Man, I don't give a damn about Brawl unless it has Captain Falcon in it. Because I want to do FAL-CONE PAUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and if I can't do FALCON PUNCH in this game, I'm not buying it.[/quote]
Captain Falcon (or some F-Zero character) will be in the game.
If you look at Samurai Goroh's assist trophy page it has an F-Zero icon. If you look at the assist trophies with playable characters in the franchise (such as Andross) they have their franchise icon. If you look at an assist trophy without a playable character in the franchise (such as Stafy) they have the generic smash icon. Someone from the F-Zero franchise will be a playable character in Brawl (and really who else would it be besides Captain Falcon?)
 
What does everyone think of what is believed to be the final roster (from NeoGaf)?
Don't click on the spoiler if you don't want to see what is believed to be the roster.

Returning = 20
Mario
Link
Kirby
Pikachu
Fox
Samus/ZSS
Zelda/Sheik
Bowser
Donkey Kong
Yoshi
Peach
Ice Climbers
Ness
Jigglypuff
Falco
Luigi
Ganondorf
Captain Falcon
Mr. Game & Watch
Marth

Newcomers = 15
Pit
Wario
Ike
Pokemon Trainer
Diddy Kong
Meta Knight
WW Link
Snake
Lucas
Sonic
King Dedede
R.O.B.
Olimar
Lucario
Wolf

I'm not a huge fan of ROB being in the game, it was funny that he was in Mario Kart DS, but there are so many better characters for Brawl.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']What does everyone think of what is believed to be the final roster (from NeoGaf)?
Don't click on the spoiler if you don't want to see what is believed to be the roster.

Returning = 20
Mario
Link
Kirby
Pikachu
Fox
Samus/ZSS
Zelda/Sheik
Bowser
Donkey Kong
Yoshi
Peach
Ice Climbers
Ness
Jigglypuff
Falco
Luigi
Ganondorf
Captain Falcon
Mr. Game & Watch
Marth

Newcomers = 15
Pit
Wario
Ike
Pokemon Trainer
Diddy Kong
Meta Knight
WW Link
Snake
Lucas
Sonic
King Dedede
R.O.B.
Olimar
Lucario
Wolf

I'm not a huge fan of ROB being in the game, it was funny that he was in Mario Kart DS, but there are so many better characters for Brawl.
[/quote]

One thing I've never understood is how WW Link is going to look. He couldn't possibly be his normal cel shaded self, could he? That would look way to out of place and I'd hate it emensely.

ROB seems interesting, but what would his attacks be?

I have a difficult time believing this.
 
ROB
is already part of Subspace Emmisary. I doubt that'll be the final roster.

Also, checking out the "Ask Iwata" bit that everyone missed at first right now...
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']People were also mentioning how many items pokemon had, so I wasn't just addressing playable characters.[/QUOTE]

Well for some reason, the number of Pokemon items doesn't really bother me. Items seem less trouble to implement than a whole character. As I recall, there's only Poke balls, right? I'm not as familiar with the Pokemon world.

And tonight's update? Awesome. That's going to be a blast with friends.

On another note, don't you think Zelda would be pretty pissed to turn into DK?
 
I just don't see ROB making the playable characters roster, since they showed him already in the storymode. Seems like Sakurai would've kept him out of the video, if he was intended to be a regular character...

Plus, I still don't think WW Link is going to be in, especially if they have removed all the other clones (besides Luigi). I mean, he would end up pretty similar to Link and Young Link.
 
[quote name='MarkMan']35 characters. :)[/QUOTE]

Now I understand you can not confirm anything or really share anything. That's cool. But lemme ask a question and HOPEFULLY you can answer.

Is there anyone on that list that's actually going to be a "WOW! Didn't see that one coming!"...?
 
[quote name='BlueLobstah']Well for some reason, the number of Pokemon items doesn't really bother me. Items seem less trouble to implement than a whole character. As I recall, there's only Poke balls, right? I'm not as familiar with the Pokemon world.[/quote] There are only pokeballs in Smash Bros (as far as I can remember), but people count the different pokemon as a separate item.

[quote name='MarkMan']35 characters. :)[/quote]
What does that mean? Why are you toying with us?!
 
Anyone having trouble getting into the "Iwata Asks" thing? I can't find it... I mean, I can find the Iwata Asks bit, but nothing pertaining to SSBB.

EDIT:

[quote name='lilboo']
Is there anyone on that list that's actually going to be a "WOW! Didn't see that one coming!"...?[/quote]It's a pretty shitty list.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Anyone having trouble getting into the "Iwata Asks" thing? I can't find it... I mean, I can find the Iwata Asks bit, but nothing pertaining to SSBB.[/quote]
I read it (someone posted a link on the previous page). It's just Iwata interviewing Sakurai about the conception and birth of Brawl. Nothing new, really.
 
One thing Sakurai mentions in the interview:

Game Arts is the developer?! Did I miss that a while back? How long have they been known to be working on this?! THIS IS GREAT NEWS!

*looks below username*
 
Manaphy sounds AWESOME. Could you imagine the tourny players coming across a Manaphy? I could just hear them screaming. "NOOOO!!!!". That is going to be an awesome pokemon. Do you think training mode will let you select the pokemon? It would be cool to practice some stuff with specific types. I'd like to know what happens if you get two Manaphy at once. Or if you get Manaphy as opponent is falling off the edge. It looks like the hearts swap but I'm wondering if it's a body change.

[quote name='lilboo']I think it seems like there's a lot of Pokemon characters in this game because of the addition of the 3 with Pokemon Trainer, but there's exactly the same amount as Pokemon characters in Melee. Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokmon Trainer & Lucario.[/quote]You can't count like that. First off I must AGAIN remind everyone that just because they throw in a new character doesn't mean they're tossing an old character. Must I once again bring up the Lucas/Ness argument? Just because we've received semi-confirmation of Jigglypuff and Lucario doesn't mean Pichu and Mewtwo are no longer in the game. So Brawl DOES NOT have the same amount of pokemon characters as Melee.

I swear lilboo I blame you for starting this annoying rumor unnecessarily. Rather than assume that the sticker just couldn't be used on Mewtwo or more likely that Mewtwo wasn't unlocked. We assume that there is no Mewtwo. I feel like I'm stuck in the Matrix sequels.

I don't remember if I mentioned it earlier but I think a Pokemon spinoff Smash Bros game would be awesome. I played one of the Pokemon console games before and it was disappointing. If they made Smash Bros with all pokemon that would be awesome again.
 
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