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[quote name='Chuplayer']Shane McMahon is now CEO of some Chinese internet company. In China. WTF?[/QUOTE]
Why not?

China is a market that every American businessman tries to tap. The potential of getting to their middle class...which is 300m strong (think about that!!!!) is eye opening.

That's why the NBA is trying so hard to please China. David Stern knows that 300m middle class Chinese people > 150m or so middle class American people. And that of course is not even including the real rich people in China, which I don't have statistics for, but I'm sure is probably large.
 
Wow @ Firepro on Wonderswan. Still need that one.

Also I love how every Botchamania has King of Fighters music. I guess there's a huge pool to draw from thanks to annual games for so many years.
 
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Here's the listing for the new Jericho DVD, seems like a good buy.

Breaking The Code: Behind The Walls of Chris Jericho
Throughout his remarkable career he has provided sports entertainment fans with amazing matches and astounding moments whether he was in Smokey Mountain Wrestling, ECW, WCW, and WWE. He’s also left his mark on the entertainment industry outside the ring, from his band Fozzy to writing a NY Times bestselling autobiography. This 3-disc set includes a never-before-seen documentary on the life and times of Jericho featuring new candid interviews with Jericho and his rivals, as well as more than a dozen of his greatest matches.
Disc 1
A Star is Born
International Sensation
Land of the Extreme
Arrival in WCW
Best in Show
Never Evvver the Same Again
Conspiracy Victim
Armbar
Greenberg
The Millennium Man
The Y2J Era Begins
Undisputed Champion
Highlight of the Night
The Highlight Reel
Facing an Idol
Total Buffoonery
You’re Fired!
Breaking Out
Fozzy
Time Away
Breaking the Code
An Honest Man
Career Renaissance
Save Us
The Best in the World at What I Do
Special Features
A Young Fanatic
Jack Action
Leon de Oro
The Thrillseekers Vignette #1
The Thrillseekers Vignette #2
"Have you heard of Chris Jericho?"
Paul Heyman’s Roommate
Mister Salty
The Man of 1,004 Holds
Nitro – March 30, 1998
Conspiracy Victim
Nitro – June 1, 1998 (2:30)
Father Knows Best
Thunder – June 11, 1998
"Hello, Lexington!"
Thunder – September 10, 1998
Do You Smell What Y2J is Cookin’?
RAW – October 30, 2000
Sharing a Beer with "Stone Cold" Steve Austin
Post-RAW – August 25, 2003
Jericho vs. The Old Man
Post-Smackdown! – November 17, 2009
Jericho’s Junction
Fozzy Music Video – Let the Madness Begin


Disc 2
"Cowboy" Chris Jericho vs. Lance T. Storm
Calgary, Alberta October 2, 1990
Alternate Commentary By: Chris Jericho & Matt Striker


The Thrill Seekers vs. The Infernos
Smoky Mountain Wrestling March 12, 1994


International Junior Heavyweight Championship Match
Chris Jericho vs. Ultimo Dragon
Japan July 7, 1995

Alternate Commentary By: Chris Jericho & Matt Striker
Chris Jericho vs. Cactus Jack
Hardcore TV March 12, 1996


WCW Cruiserweight Championship Match
Chris Jericho vs. Eddie Guerrero
Fall Brawl September 14, 1997


Mask vs. WCW Cruiserweight Championship Match
Chris Jericho vs. Juventud Guerrera
SuperBrawl VIII February 22, 1998


WCW Cruiserweight Championship Match
Chris Jericho vs. Dean Malenko
Nitro July 27, 1998


The Millennium Countdown Clock Expires
RAW August 9, 1999


Intercontinental Championship Match
Chris Jericho vs. Kurt Angle
No Way Out February 27, 2000


WWE Championship Match
Chris Jericho vs. Triple H
RAW April 17, 2000


WCW World Heavyweight Championship Match
Chris Jericho vs. The Rock
No Mercy October 21, 2001


Undisputed Championship Match
Chris Jericho vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin
Vengeance December 9, 2001


Disc 3
No Disqualification Match for the WWE Undisputed Championship
Chris Jericho vs. Hulk Hogan
SmackDown May 2, 2002


Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels
WrestleMania XIX March 30, 2003
Alternate Commentary By: Chris Jericho & Matt Striker



WWE Championship You’re Fired Match
Chris Jericho vs. John Cena
RAW August 22, 2005


Save_US.Y2J
RAW November 19, 2007


Intercontinental Championship Match
Chris Jericho vs. Jeff Hardy
RAW March 10, 2008


Ladder Match for the World Heavyweight Championship
Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels
No Mercy October 5, 2008


No Holds Barred Match for the Intercontinental Championship
Chris Jericho vs. Rey Mysterio
Extreme Rules June 7, 2009


Non-Title Match
Chris Jericho vs. Undertaker
SmackDown! November 13, 2009


World Heavyweight Championship Match
Chris Jericho vs. Edge
WrestleMania XXVI March 28, 2010
 
Conspiracy Victim
Armbar
Greenberg
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That right there cemented my purchase. It kinda sucked that they are just going to gloss over his time in Mexico. since a good chunk of his book was about his time there, and I thought it was pretty interesting. Also, i think it needed more WCW matches. Where's Jericho Vs Rey at Souled Out? That was a good match with an amazing finish. Also, considering that WWE loves to not have the same matches on different sets, I'm surprised they are double dipped with Vs Quasijuice Guerrera, since that was on the WCW set.
 
Perspective on TNA's PPV situation (as in, their PPVs averaging around 8,000 buys lately)

In the newest Wrestling Observer Newsletter, Dave Meltzer analyzed the Boston Globe story about Dana White. In this piece, he mentioned that during UFC's dark ages, they drew 14,000-19,000 buys per event. This was when they had no TV outlet and their shows were only available on DirecTV (which was much less of a powerhouse at the time), Primestar (Which was dying and sold to/folded into DirecTV in 1999), and a handful of small cable systems, making them available to about 25% of the PPV market. TNA has a weekly TV show seen by a million people and 100% PPV clearance.

So...yeah. There you have it.
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Apples-to-oranges comparison, not the least of which is the existence of streaming, which is where a huge portion of those thousands must be going.

Also, TNA to UFC isn't fair. Perhaps bring in the beloved ROH, which isn't selling 1,000 buys with its budget-priced PPVs ($10-15, yes?).
 
Seems apple to apple....because lord knows people are comparing UFC buyrates to WWE and Boxing buyrates....

It says a ton if you have a show that's on prime time thursday nights on a male demographic channel....doing such buyrates
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Apples-to-oranges comparison, not the least of which is the existence of streaming, which is where a huge portion of those thousands must be going.[/QUOTE]

Nope. That came up in the other thread and TNA streams don't even get that many people compared to WWE or UFC, which is in the tens of thousands.

[quote name='mykevermin']Also, TNA to UFC isn't fair. Perhaps bring in the beloved ROH, which isn't selling 1,000 buys with its budget-priced PPVs ($10-15, yes?).[/QUOTE]

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TNA is available on every PPV provider just like UFC. ROH is online only. Why is TNA to UFC not fair while TNA to ROH (which is online only) is?
 
I always wondered how many television providers offered HDNet. It's part of my DirecTV Total Choice Plus HD package. It's actually a damn good channel for movies, concerts, and allowing me to catch up on the first 5 seasons of Smallville that I'd never seen before.

Late NXT thoughts (I just watched it today):

With 411mania's non-spoiler match listing only mentioning the first 2 matches, and the guide description mentioning the kissing contest, I figured the show would be horrible. It wasn't.

The kissing contest concept was really stupid and it went on too long, but there were some redeeming qualities to it. LayCool was brilliant as always. They have to be the most entertaining divas on the mic that I can remember, especially Layla.

I have no idea what was up with McGillicutty licking the fat chick's face. That was pretty gross. Percy Watson's "I just saw/smelled something nasty" face he makes when he's not smiling was perfectly fitting here. Kaval is a lucky sumbitch for getting to kiss the gorgeous miss Layla El. Alex Riley was hilarious with his reaction to the kiss, the back bump afterwards, and his reaction following that. Speaking of Riley, the "Last, but not Least"/"Well, kind of least" comments from LayCool made me laugh a little.

Lucky Cannon is a guy I still really dislike. Titus O'Neal and Eli Cottonwood were definitely worse and deserved to be eliminated, but Lucky should be the next to go. The other 5 have what it takes to make it on Raw or Smackdown, in my opinion.

Kaval's leap onto Husky's shoulders, standing on them for a second, followed by the dropkick was pretty nifty. I'm glad they're giving Husky Harris wins, because he needs to get some of that fan vote. Kaval is not going to be eliminated anytime soon.

The McGillicutter name for Joe Hennig's finisher, I like. "McGillibuddies", not so much. Kofi's comments about Kaval being the closest thing to a ninja that he's seen, and LayCool forcing him to wear a pink Snuggie, were amusing.

Alex Riley vs. Percy Watson was short like all the other matches, but the right guy won, just like in the other matches. Those 2 have the best personalities of anyone on NXT for sure. It's scary how much Riley resembles The Miz in his character and his facial features. Plus he's bigger and has a better body, so I really think he could go places.

I was kind of disappointed to see McGillicutty's undefeated streak end, but of course there's no way an NXT rookie should beat the US Champion/MITB briefcase holder. I wish the match had gone longer than 4 minutes, but McG looked good in it and lost due to a "rookie mistake". And he had already wrestled one match, even if it was a 2 minute beating of Lucky Cannon.

Overall, it was a much better show than I was expecting, but I was expecting it to be atrocious, so... ya know.

Looking forward to Superstars and Impact, although as usual, I'll probably watch them the following day via DVR. I'm really interested in seeing Evan Bourne vs. Zack Ryder on Superstars, even though it probably means another Ryder loss. But hey, they've surprised me lately with guys like Chavo and Primo winning matches, so who knows?

A friend of mine is hoping to come up here from San Diego this weekend and, if he does, he wants to order the TNA PPV. I'm really interested in seeing it, and he suggested ordering it and offered to pay, so hopefully that will work out. The card's supposed to be a surprise for the most part, with names announced but only a few matches. All they've announced so far in the way of matches is
RVD vs. Jerry Lynn and Tommy Dreamer vs. Raven with Foley as the guest ref.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']I looked up, and Ric Flair was in his underwear...[/QUOTE]
Same thing happened to me. Who's going to be the one to write a complaint letter to Spike?
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']I looked up, and Ric Flair was in his underwear...[/QUOTE]I looked up and he was in less than his underwear.*Shudder*

Pro Tip, TNA: Ric Flair having his lily-white ass hanging out, censored or not, is not something we need to be seeing.

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Was TNA trying to give us all seizures with the flickering in that ECW video package at the end? JESUS!
 
The Motor City / Beer Money match did not disappoint. That DDT was epic as was that whatever you call it put on Storm on the ring apron by Shelley.
 
More names added to TNA's Hardcore Justice.

Nova, Joel Gertner, referees John Finegan and Mike Kehner, and ring announcer Stephen DeAngelis. Also, Atlas Security has been contacted to "oversee" the event.
 
Better show than last week's, although it still had some pretty glaring problems. The opening Raven-Dreamer deal...set up their match well, I guess. They relied WAY too much on stuff from '95 in this, and didn't explain it until later. For some reason, Foley being a part of this seems weird to me. I'm not sure if it's because he's like a fifth-string member of this group or what, but him being involved isn't clicking with me.

The knockouts tag team title match was less bad than the usual TBP win. Hamada and Taylor winning meant nothing since for the billionth week in a row, the focus was on The Biker Chick and TBP not getting along. The ref counting ON TOP OF A STEEL CHAIR was just stupid. Velvet's short attire was full of win. AJ-Rob Terry was about as good as their previous match two weeks ago. Tenay's explanation that AJ renamed it the TV title in Flair's honor was better than AJ's about it being due to RATINGS. Seemed kinda strange since Tully was always the TV Title guy in the Horesemen and yet he did it to honor Flair. Not as strange as Tenay tracing the TNA TV title's lineage to the NWA/WCW version. I wouldn't have a problem with this if they hadn't already said this is just the renamed Legends/Global belt. Still, it does fit in with the TNA World Title having its roots in the NWA World Title, so in TNA-Land, it does make some sense.

Angle's gym video was short, but effective at showing that he's serious about proving to everyone that he's the best in the world despite being 41 years old. It also built up his match with AJ at "the whole F'N show", which I presume won't be a TV Title match since that wasn't brought up. Lethal's video hyping up his street fight while he ate catering with picnicware didn't do anything for me.

MCMG-Beer Money was really good. Shelley's sliced bread on the apron looked and sounded sick. The pull-off of Roode onto Storm was awesome-looking, and they found a way to make the UX match work without doing non-stop stupid shit in it. Roode's RVD sell of the DDT was pretty cool. Hope he didn't get any heat for it though.


Bischoff and Hogan building up next week's Impact as something different - a Total Nonstop Action show with...total nonstop action was unintentionally funny. As was Tenay making a huge deal out of Sting wearing the Wolfpac paint when he's been wearing the Wolfpac singlet for months. Then there was Hogan and Nash's contest to do as many things as possible without having to take a bump. This was sad and stupid, because Hogan used up 2/3 of his moveset (the punch AND the bolo punch), took a chairshot, and took something resembling a bump to build up a match where that's about all he can do IF they even move forward with this angle and don't drop it like they did the Abyss/Hogan thing. Doing all this after Hogan proclaimed that TNA's ALLA BOUT THE YOUNG GUYS was funny. Oh, and Eric announcing himself as the special ref made it seem pretty apparent that he'll be turning on RVD to give Abyss the title ala Heyman turning on RVD to give Show the title, only minus the heat. Also, two special ref stips in TWO SHOWS. Great.

OJ-Pope brought back the manly beyond my wildest expectations element to OJ's character that they kinda dropped last week to further the EY deal. EY came out to take the fake money and gave some to the fans. Then Pope hit the DDE>Edge-O-Matic combo to win. Dug the finish, not the match. Then the match was rendered useless when Morgan attacked him for some reason, and then Anderson made the save. This probably would have worked better as a set-up had they not already announced the triple threat match earlier.

Flair-Lethal was terrible. As a match, it was awful. As a spectacle, it just didn't work. Flair looked really old, and the ass spot being censored completely killed the point of it. And Flair beat him to basically render the BIGGEST WIN OF JAY LETHAL'S CAREER dead. Again. The only person who looked better after this was Douglas Williams, who got a rub by association by helping Flair.

RVD's promo was his usual stuff. Lynn coming out of nowhere to say ONE LINE TO BUILD UP HIS PPV MAIN EVENT AGAINST THE WORLD CHAMPION just seemed stupid. Then the main event thing resembling a match happened. Abyss and Raven vs. Dreamer and RVD. They did stuff, I think someone got beat, and then Sandman came out and caned folks while the crowd chanted EVDub and the faces all had a teary celebration. Felt like more of a send-off to ECW than the PPV would deliver for me, and good lord did the "TNA" cooler Foley and the crew brought out look cheap. The show-closing deal with the ECW guys talking over photos of some of their ECW work was awesome. That did more to make me want to see the show than anything on Impact has, and it's a shame they aren't airing a Before the Bell thing with all this in an extended form.

Screens -









TNA superstars live large


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Before a decade of abuse to the body...


After.


GODDAMN




Quotes -

Taz - I saw some familiar faces in the locker room - THERE ARE SOME SURPRISES HERE TONIGHT.
Dreamer - Raven. GET OUT HERE CUZ YOU GOT SOME SPLAININ TO DO RIGHT NOW! (Raven comes out) Why man, why!? You know what this meant to me. YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS TO THEM AND TO EVERYONE. We were friends. We were enemies. The best of friends, the worst of enemies. I thought it was beyond us - MY KIDS CALL YOU UNCLE SCOTTY, AND YOU WANNA DESTROY IT!? WHY!?
Raven - We’ve known each other for 30 years.
Crowd - UNCLE SCOTTY! Uncle scotty!
Raven - 30 LONG YEARS. And the thing Is, do you think that I’m ever gonna forgive you for taking away my girl!? SHE WANTED ME, NOT YOU!? YOU STOLE HER FROM ME AND MARRIED HER AND THOSE KIDS SHOULDA BEEN MINE! SO I WAITED. I BIDED MY TIME KNOWING THAT SOONER OR LATER, YOU’D COMMIT YOUR HEART AND SOUL TO SOMETHING. I WAITED FOR THE MOMENT AND NOW HERE IT IS. YOU’VE COMMITTED EVERYTHING AND I’VE SHATTERED IT IN A MILLION PIECES. THOSE KIDS SHOULDN’T BE CALLING ME UNCLE SCOTTY, THEY SHOULD BE CALLING ME DADDY. AND AFTER HARD JUSTICE, I’LL GIVE YOUR WIFE SOME HARD JUSTICE AND MAKE HER CALL ME DADDY!
Foley - At Hard Justice, it will be THE FINAL SHOWDOWN between Dreamer and Raven. THERE WILL BE A WINNER BECAUSE YOU’RE LOOKING AT YOUR SPECIAL REFEREE!
Taz - Everything is rainbows and butterflies in the world of the Beautiful People. They’re hugging and kissing…and hugging and kissing!
(Hamada comes out)Crowd - WELCOME BACK!
Tenay - LACEY ON TOP!
Taz - I like Velvet’s ring attire. It’s not the traditional trunks and boots.
Tenay - Spices things up.
Taz - I like spice.
Tenay - AJ renamed the Global title the World TV Title in honor of Ric Flair.
Tenay - We always wonder about language issues with Hamada.
Taz - Well, Taylor’s from Canada.
(as the camera goes to a close-up on the biker babe’s boobs)Taz - Well, we know it’s a woman now.
Taz - She’s got that massive, huge helmet.
Taz - How the hell didn’t Slick see the chair after he was counting RIGHT OVER IT!?
Tenay - WHEN YOU THINK OF THE WORLD TV TITLE, THE LINEAGE REALLY GOES BACK TO THE ‘70S AND THE ‘80S IN THE NWA, AND THROUGH WCW UNTIL 2000.
Taz - Rob Terry palms his face like a Spal-ding ball!
Tenay - Spal-ding?
Taz - Yeah. They’re a company. They make balls. Guess you’re not from Brooklyn.
Velvet - LACEY! OH fuck, OH fuck, OH SHIT!
Tenay - You spoke of rainbows and butterflies?
Taz - I guess the rainbows evaporated and the butterflies are dead.
Tenay - RAPID-FIRE MOTOR CITY MACHINE GUNS!
Taz - YAMBAG!
Tenay - NEXT WEEK, IT’S THE WHOLE F’N SHOW!
Taz - That had to hurt, how Sabin was standing on his yam bag region!
(after announcing that a show full of wrestling will happen)Tenay - NEXT WEEK’S IMPACT WILL BE UNLIKE ANYTHING WE’VE EVER SEEN BEFORE!
(as Brooke comes out)Taz - Why can’t we get assistants like that?
Tenay - Not in the budget.
Taz - There’s no comeback for that.
Bischoff - IT NEVER GETS OLD. I LOVE IT EVERY TIME. Next week, we’ve got the WHOLE F’N SHOW RIGHT HERE ON IMPACT. PPV-QUALITY TV FOR FREE THANKS TO MY FRIENDS AT SPIKE TV. Let’s talk about that card though so you know what to expect. Abyss, you’ll be facing RVD for the world title in a Stairway to Janice match, but Hogan just told me, little surprise, I’M GONNA BE YOUR SPECIAL REFEREE! You’re also gonna see a match for the world tag titles - the fifth and final match - AND WE’RE BRINGING IT TO YA FREE ON SPIKE. Angle, takes on AJ, THAT MATCH RIGHT HERE NEXT WEEK. ANGELINA LOVE VERSUS MADISON RAYNE FOR THE KNOCKOUT TITLES. Jeff Hardy has an open invitation to anyone in wrestling, and if that’s not enough. Mr. Anderson vs. Matt Morgan vs. the Pope! (Nash comes out)
Nash - So finally, I get face to face with you two. I have to listen to that crap and ONCE AGAIN MY NAME ISN’T MENTIONED!? WHAT’S GOING ON!?
Hogan - Maybe you havent’ noticed, but we’ve all stepped back. I’ve stepped back, Jarrett’s stepped back - our time is over. It’s time for Lethal, AJ, the Guns, Beer Money, they’re the guys who are gonna take us to the next decade. We need to keep helping, but there’s no more conning for paychecks, minimum effort and maximum paycheck. Your smoke and mirrors are over, brother!
Nash - YOU’RE TALKING TO ME ABOUT POLITICS!?
Bischoff - YOUR WHOLE CAREER HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT POLITICS!
Nash - Ever notice sometimes in life ya meet somebody that you shouldn’t have messed with? THAT’S ME!
Tenay - Here comes Orlando Jordan, BUT MY THOUGHTS ARE STILL WITH WHAT HAPPENED WITH ERIC BISCHOFF AND HULK HOGAN!
Taz - Orlando’s having an affair with his index finger.
Taz - You don’t want Orlando behind you - that much I know.
Taz - Orlando, break out of his grip - that’s the goal there.
Taz - Orlando gets the express right in the back. Something tells me that’s happened before.
Christy - Do you think you can beat Lethal?
Flair - Remember what I told the audience? Any woman who can feel the caress of the Nature Boy would be crazed? You’re about to join the club. TWO MEN WALK THE AISLE. ONE WALKS BACK. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, my little black brother. I AM A WRESTLING GOD. GOD. GOD. GOD. I AM YOUR WRESTLING GOD. JAY LETHAL, TONIGHT, YOU DIE! WOO! WOO! WOO!
Taz - I can’t believe that Flair’s gonna wrestle in a suit that runs $2,500. Tenay, his pockets probably cost more than your suit!
Taz - He’s wearing a $3,000 suit and he got his underwear from Wal-Mart.
(as Lethal takes the belt off)Taz - WHAT’S HE DOING!? It’s like watching an Orlando Jordan match.
Taz - Now he’s only got one sock on - take the other one off, please!
Tenay - What? Now you’re the fashion police?
Christy - RVD, in three days, it’s gonna be you IN THE PPV MAIN EVENT and we don’t even know who your opponent is gonna be!
RVD - Raven’s hardcore, Dreamer’s hardcore, and RVD’s hardcore. Hey, that rhymes!
Taz - Four guys with a lot of hardcore history. Abyss, who coulda fit in with us back then.
Tenay - IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE WHOLE F’N SHOW, WE’LL HAVE TNA REACTION!
Tenay - HAVE YOU HEARD WHO ELSE IS GONNA BE ON HARDCORE JUSTICE!?
Taz - I’ve heard some scuttlebutt, but if you wanna know who’ll be on the PPV, you’ve gotta buy it.
Taz - Stevie used to have some psychological pow-wows with Abyss.
(after Sandman canes Abyss)Crowd - EVDUB! EVDUB!
 
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Impact has been having a shitload of blood lately, I've noticed. Roode during that steel cage match was leaking hella bad. I like to see a little blood every now and then, but I don't need to see it every week. Especially not as much blood as there was last week.

I'm actually pretty interested in next week's Impact. The No talk all action line sounds like a direction TNA should head more towards. I think a TNA with very little promos and a bigger focus on matches would be interesting. TNA has the talent to do it.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Apples-to-oranges comparison, not the least of which is the existence of streaming, which is where a huge portion of those thousands must be going.[/quote]
[quote name='Sporadic']Nope. That came up in the other thread and TNA streams don't even get that many people compared to WWE or UFC, which is in the tens of thousands.[/QUOTE]
Bingo. People don't even care enough to pirate that shit. This is about as apples-to-apples as you can get outside of WWE vs TNA or UFC vs Fedor League.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Apples-to-oranges comparison, not the least of which is the existence of streaming, which is where a huge portion of those thousands must be going.

Also, TNA to UFC isn't fair. Perhaps bring in the beloved ROH, which isn't selling 1,000 buys with its budget-priced PPVs ($10-15, yes?).[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Sporadic']TNA is available on every PPV provider just like UFC. ROH is online only. Why is TNA to UFC not fair while TNA to ROH (which is online only) is?[/QUOTE]


In regards to the Wrestling Observer article, I think a more equal comparison would be dark-age UFC to present-day ROH. TNA has far more outlets than the UFC had during their dark ages or ROH has now. TNA is on mainstream TV on a popular male-oriented TV channel and has regular PPVs. Even if TNA were on ABC, NBC, or FOX, I still think they'd draw low numbers simply due to their overall product and the "LOTS O SCREAMING" commentary by Mike Tenay.
 
eeeeeh. you folks give way too much credit to the estimates of the numbers of people who stream.

sporadic, i'd specifically love to see if your faith in estimates is as strong when it comes to estimates of copies of stolen property/pirated copies of items via torrent.

in either case, both sets of numbers are pretty goddamned far from "educated guess" and deeply into the realm of "baseless speculation."

Look, I'm not in love with TNA by any stretch of the imagination, and wish they would really change their program to be competitive. Lord knows I haven't spent a dime on a TNA PPV or watched a TNA PPV since Slammiversary V (I think). But I'm not going to bend logic backwards just to have more ammunition to support me.
 
I really don't care enough to chime in with the PPV conversation, but that may be because I haven't cared enough to buy a PPV in 6 years. I think it's less about TNA sucking, and more about the fact that most companies seem to have lost the art of selling the PPV.

Anyway, speaking of lost arts... I've been watching a lot of wrestling DVDs recently, and it didn't take long to realize something I honestly, truly miss in wrestling: surprise. I don't mean storyline-wise, I'm talking strictly matches. It was Savage/Steamboat from WM3 that really drove the point home, but I miss the days when things didn't always end with a finisher. It used to be that a roll-up or a schoolboy was an accepted ending to a match, and I miss that, because it meant, and this is really fucking important, that near-falls mattered.

I see matches now, even on Raw, where the crowd goes 'ooooh' after a 2-count off of a spinebuster? Pro-tip: if it wasn't the guys finisher, it wasn't ending there. Maybe I'm being selective in my memory, but I do know that I've become desensitized to near-falls, which is telling in of itself. It really hit home for me when I realized that I was watching Bret/Bulldog from SS92 (92?), and was surprised at how it ended. It dawned on me that I had never seen the match before (I know, I know), and I had become so trained to know when something was ending that I was honestly like 'it's over?'. Blew my mind.

This is, again, just one of my random rants. It's just something I realized that I dislike about current mainstream wrestling, and something that I think really was cemented by the advent of it becoming 'entertainment'. You pull the curtain back, and there's no reason to *not* have big finishes anymore. When it still maintained the guise of an athletic contest, the surprise finishes helped keep up the illusion, but it seems silly to keep that pretense now.

Problem is, maintaining that illusion is a huge part of why it was so good in the first place.

(Also note, this rant doesn't include my related, but too long for this post, rant about how finishers didn't used to be 'nuclear weapons'. That, however, leads into even more rants, and opens up 15 more cans of worms.)
 
Matches and styles have changed substantially in the past 10-15 years. Not just the "flippy shit" either.

Too many wrestlers build a match with 7-10 spots, and then thoughtlessly punch-punch-punch-irish-whip their way from point A to B to C. Following those spots, the other wrestler gets the upper hand, often times no-selling some significant move that just undercuts any believability in the match. I think that's what the old hands say when they grumble that old thing about how wrestlers today "can't tell a story." They can't. There's no anticipation, no flow - just robotic back-and-forth with the same yawn-inducing false finishes. At least within WWE and TNA (well, more WWE, while TNA is the 'book every finish possible into one match' clusterfuck).

Too many wrestlers punch, and I can't think of a single wrestler these days that throws a punch I believe in.

UFC knows how to promote a PPV. After watching their pre-show for the last PPV (Lesnar/Carwin), I was ready to *buy* that motherfucker. Despite not knowing who Shane Carwin really was, this was something I thought I had to see. I didn't buy it because I'm not a spontaneous $55+ spender, but I was as close to it as I had been in years - I hadn't felt that excited to see a show since ONS 2005.
 
The idea of ECW always sells better than the guys themselves, but TNA's done a terrible job at selling THAT as well. Plus, they're PROMISING the MOST EXTREME MATCH EVER on FREE TV FOUR DAYS AFTER THE PPV, and the EV2 guys will be on that show as well...so yeah, I don't have high hopes for this show. I'm sure it'll do better than their current EIGHT fuckING THOUSAND BUYS, but not by much. Maybe it'll get a whopping 12,000 buys. The fact that ROH can get 1,000 buys for internet-only PPV with only an HDNet show with no official ratings of any kind to hype it while TNA is getting 8,000 while on the same network as UFC which can get over a million is just sad. TNA actually gets around the same ratings as UFC as well, it's just that UFC is a billion times better at making use of that 1.whatever rating to actually make money at PPV.
 
I will agree that the idea of ECW is the selling point, because I have a hard time believing people could mark out for Raven when he looks like he is infected with the T-Virus. I am a casual fan who didn't even know the "One Night Stand" ppv existed until a year ago. That PPV had fine technical wrestling as well as a Tanaka/Awesome match that was quite brutal. The difference between this upcoming TNA iteration of "One Night Stand", and the 2005 version is that 3/4 of the major players in that ppv are either dead or property of the WWE.
 
And the guys that are still around have five more years of wear and tear on their bodies. I expect RVD-Lynn to be very good, but I can't fathom Raven-Dreamer being good.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']eeeeeh. you folks give way too much credit to the estimates of the numbers of people who stream.

sporadic, i'd specifically love to see if your faith in estimates is as strong when it comes to estimates of copies of stolen property/pirated copies of items via torrent.

in either case, both sets of numbers are pretty goddamned far from "educated guess" and deeply into the realm of "baseless speculation."
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Estimates? Most sites (like justin.tv/ustream) have a live counter of who's watching. WWE and UFC are constantly in the tens of thousands. TNA has never broken that number.

And no, I wouldn't trust estimates of how many times an item was downloaded via torrent, but I would trust a number from a private torrent site that counts how many times a torrent was snatched (Would you believe that the ECW soundtrack was downloaded 46 times, 36 of them FLAC w/ 100% log? Who knew it was so popular?)
 
:lol: Don't be deliberately obtuse. :lol:

Alternately, please be deliberately obtuse, because I truly hope you don't really buy the argument you're making, and you're just trying to "be right."

Live counters treat every visitor the same, whether they clickthrough for 3 seconds or 3 hours.

Also, my point was never that TNA thieves = UFC or WWE thieves. My point was that you can't compare TNA's poor PPV sales with UFC's sales in an era where the technology used to deliver the content is so incredibly different, and in an economy that is so different.

It's an apt comparison if you simply can't live without feeling some smarmy sense of "I told you so" with regard to TNA sucking at every step of the way. Otherwise, it's undoubtedly an indicator that TNA's PPV business is poor, but quite frankly, a shitty comparison.

If you want to remain convinced it's apt, I'm not going to change your mind. You're not the kind that's amenable to logic anyway.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']:lol: Don't be deliberately obtuse. :lol:

Alternately, please be deliberately obtuse, because I truly hope you don't really buy the argument you're making, and you're just trying to "be right."

Live counters treat every visitor the same, whether they clickthrough for 3 seconds or 3 hours.

Also, my point was never that TNA thieves = UFC or WWE thieves. My point was that you can't compare TNA's poor PPV sales with UFC's sales in an era where the technology used to deliver the content is so incredibly different, and in an economy that is so different.

It's an apt comparison if you simply can't live without feeling some smarmy sense of "I told you so" with regard to TNA sucking at every step of the way. Otherwise, it's undoubtedly an indicator that TNA's PPV business is poor, but quite frankly, a shitty comparison.

If you want to remain convinced it's apt, I'm not going to change your mind. You're not the kind that's amenable to logic anyway.[/QUOTE]

And yet you wanted to compare TNA's PPV numbers to ROH's PPV numbers (when they aren't even on fucking PPV, they basically run a live webcast that costs money)

So yeah, please stop reading and responding to my posts. Because you imagine shit in your head and than try to project it on to other people (oh no, people are making fun of TNA's PPV sales...WELL WHAT ABOUT ROH YOU SMARKS!!!)
 
[quote name='Chase']I wish Raven didn't look and move like a zombie. :( He was once incredible.[/QUOTE]

It's hard to believe he was once in WCW's LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT division.
 
This past quarter all of WWE ppvs dropped from last year with the new name changes.. and on the TNA PPV, I'd be more excited for it if it wasn't in the Impact Zone, that takes away a lot from the "reunion".
 
[quote name='007']I really don't care enough to chime in with the PPV conversation, but that may be because I haven't cared enough to buy a PPV in 6 years. I think it's less about TNA sucking, and more about the fact that most companies seem to have lost the art of selling the PPV.

Anyway, speaking of lost arts... I've been watching a lot of wrestling DVDs recently, and it didn't take long to realize something I honestly, truly miss in wrestling: surprise. I don't mean storyline-wise, I'm talking strictly matches. It was Savage/Steamboat from WM3 that really drove the point home, but I miss the days when things didn't always end with a finisher. It used to be that a roll-up or a schoolboy was an accepted ending to a match, and I miss that, because it meant, and this is really fucking important, that near-falls mattered.

I see matches now, even on Raw, where the crowd goes 'ooooh' after a 2-count off of a spinebuster? Pro-tip: if it wasn't the guys finisher, it wasn't ending there. Maybe I'm being selective in my memory, but I do know that I've become desensitized to near-falls, which is telling in of itself. It really hit home for me when I realized that I was watching Bret/Bulldog from SS92 (92?), and was surprised at how it ended. It dawned on me that I had never seen the match before (I know, I know), and I had become so trained to know when something was ending that I was honestly like 'it's over?'. Blew my mind.

This is, again, just one of my random rants. It's just something I realized that I dislike about current mainstream wrestling, and something that I think really was cemented by the advent of it becoming 'entertainment'. You pull the curtain back, and there's no reason to *not* have big finishes anymore. When it still maintained the guise of an athletic contest, the surprise finishes helped keep up the illusion, but it seems silly to keep that pretense now.

Problem is, maintaining that illusion is a huge part of why it was so good in the first place.

(Also note, this rant doesn't include my related, but too long for this post, rant about how finishers didn't used to be 'nuclear weapons'. That, however, leads into even more rants, and opens up 15 more cans of worms.)[/QUOTE]

It's funny you mention about finishers not being nuclear weapons before.

Funniest oversells I've ever seen had to be The Rock getting a stunner and HBK in quite a few events against other top tier guys like Hogan, Flair and so on. The way they were convulsing around the ring you'd think they were having a fuckin' seizure.

But if you think about it the push towards finishers in wrestling really got it's start in the 1980's WWF.

For a while in the 90's though the WWF programming was hilarious to watch. You could almost set your watch by how many times the ref would get 'knocked out' per show, thus leading to various run-ins and interference.
 
For those who may not have seen this on the Gamestop website as of yet, Gamestop is giving away a Lucha Libre mask with pre-order of Lucha Libre AAA.

There's four different ones you can get, one of which would allow you to look like La Parka from WCW.
 
Hyped for Hardcore Justice.. watching ONS 05 right now..

If they can get anywhere close to this (or even ONS 06) , it will be great. It will suck however without footage, themes, and a true ECW venue.. but psyched regardless.

Heck that Hardcore Reunion that Shane Dougles put together wasnt damn bad either..Speaking of Shane... figured he would be announced. He was on TNA not that long ago
 
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