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Kiss that title good-bye CM Punk. Maybe this will shut everyone up about CM Punk having any draw power in WWE whatsoever. The guy does not belong in WWE. I don't mean that as a bad thing, but his fanbase is mostly ROH fans that have soured on WWE for good, and WWE will never cater to those fans... because let's face it those fans aren't putting money in Vince's pocket anymore. Furthermore is Dusty still booking this crap?[/QUOTE]

Punk's gonna take the blame for this, not a title feud filled to the brim with uninteresting guys the WWE hasn't bothered pushing for shit outside of Elijah Burke (it also doesn't help that Tommy Dreamer, bless him for the matches he gave us a decade ago, looks like shit and wrestles half as well as he looks).

They're going to place every bit of blame on Punk, when the fact is the show sucks my ass. WWE fans can be stupid (who keeps paying for all these dog-ass PPVs!?!?!), but they aren't THAT stupid. They know when they're being told to watch WWE Heat under a different name.

EDIT: WWE's going to shit a brick on this one, because if this ratings trend holds, it makes ECW have just as many viewers as TNA. If TNA surpasses ECW, they'll go into panic mode faster than you can say "Dusty Finish."

[quote name='JaytheGamefan']Punk isn't to blame for the show doing a low rating - it's done fine ratings with every other show with him as champion, and he definitely belongs in WWE - if he didn't, fans wouldn't be going crazy for him at WWE shows.

mykevermin, the theme pack's taking forever, but here's Homicide's theme from it, which did download successfully.
Homidie - The Truth
http://www.sendspace.com/file/agdz77

Zen Davis, I just finished watching the NYC Fifth Year Anniversary special... wow. Joe-Morishima was everything I hoped, and the other matches were all at least great. Damn ROH is awesome - hopefully they get that rumored Versus network deal, which would allow them to expose more people to their product without having to dilute the product at all.[/QUOTE]

Thanks! I'll gladly take any others you get, or the whole shebang if you end up downloading that. I plan on making a few classic guys (Razor/Diesel and Demolition are the only mandatory ones...maybe Mantaur for shits n' giggles), and a ton of ROH guys.

[quote name='PhrostByte']Hey guys.. So I bought a car (04 WRX for anyone wondering) and I'm flying to St. Louis on Saturday to get it and drive it back. I know some of you are from the mid-west (myke?) so maybe ya'll can help me out. What's a cool place to visit on my trip back? I'm not trying to waste TOO much time.. since the ride back is going to be hella long, but I want to see something cool. So if you had to choose one or two things to see in the following cities, what would it be? St. Louis, Indianapolis, Dayton, and Colombus.. That's the path that Google Maps and Mapquest gave me (basically just take i-70). I know this has nothing to do with wrestling but since this is one of the only threads I actually post in, I thought I'd ask here.

GO JERICHO!.. yeah..[/QUOTE]

Hmm. If you were coming through the next few days, you could stop in Cincinnati (40 minutes south of Dayton) for the Midpoint Music Festival (www.mpmf.com). What days are you coming through? I might have a better idea that way.
 
[quote name='JJSP']His entrances in PWG are always fun - it's almost that whole Ultimate Warrior thing. "Ole!" comes on, and everyone in the place is singing along at the top of their lungs. Always a fun sight to see.

'Course, we could just be all really big Bouncing Souls fans.[/QUOTE]

Haha.. Gotta love Generico. He's definately one of my favorite wrestlers right now. There's nothing like seeing him live with the whole crowd going nuts... OLE! PWG! PWG! PWG!
 
The pricing for official, exact replications of the TNA titles has been announced -
The TNA World title will cost $2990 + $50 s/h in the continental US
The TNA X Division title will cost $ 2210 + $50 s/h in the continental US
The TNA World tag belt (1) will cost $2160 + $50 s/h in the continental US
..................................
Well, the price is comparable to the usual official, logoed WWF/E belts, but that's still a TON of money to spend for a belt. Hopefully some Figs or Figs-ish replicas come out that are at least decent. Or perhaps some logo-less belts will be made available, as that option provides a huge savings (to the tune of $1,000 per belt, although the NWA only charges $150 for their logo).

Edit - More themes -
RVD's ECW theme "Walk" by Pantera - http://www.sendspace.com/file/cf4n44

Scott Steiner's TNA theme - http://www.sendspace.com/file/79cj5u

Hall's first TNA theme - http://www.sendspace.com/file/pxt2sp

LAX's good TNA theme - http://www.sendspace.com/file/0p20bb

Sandman's TNA theme - http://www.sendspace.com/file/zgdcc9

Midnight Express theme - http://www.sendspace.com/file/41dq0l

Strike Force theme - http://www.sendspace.com/file/krajq0

Hollywood Blondes theme - http://www.sendspace.com/file/sc6vzy

Rick Rude's WWF theme - http://www.sendspace.com/file/6i4tf7

Christian "At Last You're on Your Own!!!" theme - http://www.sendspace.com/file/ail3k4

Randy Savage TNA theme - http://www.sendspace.com/file/h0o631

Ricky Steamboat's "Family Man" song - http://www.sendspace.com/file/bgzshf

Brian Pillman's "California Sun" WCW theme - http://www.sendspace.com/file/030w93


Zen, thanks for the Philly 5th Year Festival show. I've seen more ROH in the past two weeks than I've seen in at least a few years thanks to your generosity.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']Hey guys.. So I bought a car (04 WRX for anyone wondering) and I'm flying to St. Louis on Saturday to get it and drive it back. I know some of you are from the mid-west (myke?) so maybe ya'll can help me out. What's a cool place to visit on my trip back? I'm not trying to waste TOO much time.. since the ride back is going to be hella long, but I want to see something cool. So if you had to choose one or two things to see in the following cities, what would it be? St. Louis, Indianapolis, Dayton, and Colombus.. That's the path that Google Maps and Mapquest gave me (basically just take i-70). I know this has nothing to do with wrestling but since this is one of the only threads I actually post in, I thought I'd ask here.

GO JERICHO!.. yeah..[/quote]

In St. Louis you should check out the Science Center, Zoo, or the Gateway Arch.

The Science Center and Zoo are free admission. You may have to pay for parking though. The extra things you have to pay for are listed on their websites.

You have to pay for a ticket to go to the Gateway Arch. You basically just go up into the top of the Arch and you can look at the Mississippi Riverfront and part of St. Louis.

Plenty of Casinos there too.

Nothing big going on in Central/Southern IL that I know of, so you can just skip on through.
 
Thanks for the tips myke and RIJ. Btw, I'm only planning on making this an all day Saturday thing... I'm hoping I can get back to Baltimore around 1 am or so... but in reality it'll probably be 2 or 3. So RIJ if you had to choose, what would it be? The arch thing right? It looks pretty cool. And myke, thanks for the tip... but with a 12+ hour trip, I doubt I'll be making any 40 minute detours, heh. :)

edit: Actually.. now that I think about it.. The guy picking me up from the St. Louis airport is taking me to his home in Belleville, IL to pick up the car... so.. I'll be traveling towards my home in Baltimore. If I want to visit St. Louis, I'd have to backtrack about 20 minutes. I'm not sure yet but I think I'd rather save the time. So... the only major cities along i-70 besides St. Louis seem to be: Dayton, Indianapolis, and Colombus.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']The pricing for official, exact replications of the TNA titles has been announced -
The TNA World title will cost $2990 + $50 s/h in the continental US
The TNA X Division title will cost $ 2210 + $50 s/h in the continental US
The TNA World tag belt (1) will cost $2160 + $50 s/h in the continental US[/quote]
I hope those prices are theoretical because if someone actually paid that much money for a WRESTLING BELT they should be shot. No, wait, just stone them. No sense in wasting a good bullet.
 
The prices aren't theoretical, they're straight from the belt maker himself. Top-quality wrestling belts are pricey, and these are the same quality as the ones used by WWE and TNA. Lower-quality replicas will probably be made soon, and sometimes (like in the cases of the Cena belts, the AWA belt, and the Andre WWF belt), they can approach top-quality belts for a fraction of the cost. Usually, the Figs. belts are far, far, far inferior to the real deal though. The best overall deal for replicas is to get an old WWF belt with an unofficial logo (WFW and a crown are popular alternatives), which will allow you to basically get two belts for the price of one as the logo fee for either the block WWF or just 'WW' logo is $1,000 - about the same cost as a belt without an official logo.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']Zen, thanks for the Philly 5th Year Festival show. I've seen more ROH in the past two weeks than I've seen in at least a few years thanks to your generosity.[/quote]
No problem man. If you get a chance to order the PPV, do so and try to support the company. It's worth your $10.

From The Wrestling Observer regarding Nick Dinsmore.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]The topic of TNA was brought up, and Nick feels that TNA is "biased towards talent itself," and not towards hiring former WWE employees just for that sake. He said he would love to have the opportunity to work for them. On the flip-side of things, Nick said he would really like to work for Ring Of Honor, and have some bouts with "The American Dragon" Bryan Danielson. "U-Gene" does not fit in ROH, but Nick Dinsmore does.
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Along with the ROH shows, I think I'm going to start adding single matches for download to the thread as well once a week on Thursdays. I'm going to categorize them as MUST DOWNLOADS or SUPER MUST DOWNLOADS!

MUST DOWNLOAD!

The
Chris Candido Strong Style Comedic Match: Delirious vs. Colt Cabana vs. Larry Sweeney

Let me just say that this match is hilarious. It's not the funniest comedy match I've ever seen but it's really freakin' funny. The end of the match where Larry Sweeney wrestles with his ass out, a towel in his ass, is the greatest ode to the late, great Chris Candido that anyone can give. For reference, on January 15th in Highland, Indiana Chris Candido wrestled the entire match with his ass hanging out and a towel in his ass. He is missed...
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Along with the ROH shows, I think I'm going to start adding single matches for download to the thread as well once a week on Thursdays. I'm going to categorize them as MUST DOWNLOADS or SUPER MUST DOWNLOADS!

MUST DOWNLOAD!

The
Chris Candido Strong Style Comedic Match: Delirious vs. Colt Cabana vs. Larry Sweeney

Let me just say that this match is hilarious. It's not the funniest comedy match I've ever seen but it's really freakin' funny. The end of the match where Larry Sweeney wrestles with his ass out, a towel in his ass, is the greatest ode to the late, great Chris Candido that anyone can give. For reference, on January 15th in Highland, Indiana Chris Candido wrestled the entire match with his ass hanging out and a towel in his ass. He is missed... and this is a MUST DOWNLOAD!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/tiyjmq

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[quote name='PhrostByte']Thanks for the tips myke and RIJ. Btw, I'm only planning on making this an all day Saturday thing... I'm hoping I can get back to Baltimore around 1 am or so... but in reality it'll probably be 2 or 3. So RIJ if you had to choose, what would it be? The arch thing right? It looks pretty cool. And myke, thanks for the tip... but with a 12+ hour trip, I doubt I'll be making any 40 minute detours, heh. :)

edit: Actually.. now that I think about it.. The guy picking me up from the St. Louis airport is taking me to his home in Belleville, IL to pick up the car... so.. I'll be traveling towards my home in Baltimore. If I want to visit St. Louis, I'd have to backtrack about 20 minutes. I'm not sure yet but I think I'd rather save the time. So... the only major cities along i-70 besides St. Louis seem to be: Dayton, Indianapolis, and Colombus.[/quote]

I would recommend the Arch since it is the quickest for you. But since you would have to back track, I have no idea what to suggest. I'm pretty sure there is nothing big going on around Southern Illinois on Saturday and we don't really have any "must see" attractions around here.
 
Last night's edition of ECW on Sci Fi did just a 1.1 cable rating. That is down from last week's 1.4 and if memory serves, this is the lowest number that the show has done since it was resurrected on Sci Fi.

Credit: PWinsider.com
I actually think Impact did a better rating last week than that(1.3 or something like that).

Of course ECW is going to stink when your main event is CM Punk vs. Matt Striker. Matt Striker? The guy deserves to be sent to OVW like most of the Spirit Squad was.
 
For what it's worth, Kevin Steen also uses the "Now You're A Man" from Orgazmo song. If you're looking for it, it's by DVDA. I'll try and get together a PWG .zip if anyone's interested.
 
[quote name='JJSP']For what it's worth, Kevin Steen also uses the "Now You're A Man" from Orgazmo song. If you're looking for it, it's by DVDA. I'll try and get together a PWG .zip if anyone's interested.[/quote]

F'ing A!

Larry Sweeney Promos!

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jphL3csDXOs[/MEDIA]
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rZdgGJDpb0[/MEDIA]
 
[quote name='JJSP']For what it's worth, Kevin Steen also uses the "Now You're A Man" from Orgazmo song. If you're looking for it, it's by DVDA. I'll try and get together a PWG .zip if anyone's interested.[/QUOTE]

PWG.zip... I'm interested!
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']mykevermin, I got the ROH theme pack to DL - I'm uploading it to sendspace now, it'll be ready in a couple of hours.[/quote]

Isn't that like 5 gigs?
 
[quote name='SIUfan']I like what I see. Can you post some vids of some Sweeney matches?[/quote]
Along with the ROH shows, I think I'm going to start adding single matches for download to the thread as well once a week on Thursdays. I'm going to categorize them as MUST DOWNLOADS or SUPER MUST DOWNLOADS!

MUST DOWNLOAD!

The
Chris Candido Strong Style Comedic Match: Delirious vs. Colt Cabana vs. Larry Sweeney

Let me just say that this match is hilarious. It's not the funniest comedy match I've ever seen but it's really freakin' funny. The end of the match where Larry Sweeney wrestles with his ass out, a towel in his ass, is the greatest ode to the late, great Chris Candido that anyone can give. For reference, on January 15th in Highland, Indiana Chris Candido wrestled the entire match with his ass hanging out and a towel in his ass. He is missed... and this is a MUST DOWNLOAD!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/tiyjmq

snapshot20070927102548.jpg

snapshot20070927101902.jpg


Download that. It's all the Sweeney you'll need to see before you fall in love. :)
 
Probably old news, but the Observer is reporting that Homicide, Hernandez, Sonjay Dutt, Alex Shelley, and Chris Sabin have all expressed serious interest in leaving TNA. Management has told them to wait until the two-hour Impacts begin before making any decisions, as the new format should give more TV time to underused talent.

After reading the spoilers for that two-hour debut, seems like they STILL only fit in five matches.
 
[quote name='JJSP']Probably old news, but the Observer is reporting that Homicide, Hernandez, Sonjay Dutt, Alex Shelley, and Chris Sabin have all expressed serious interest in leaving TNA. Management has told them to wait until the two-hour Impacts begin before making any decisions, as the new format should give more TV time to underused talent.

After reading the spoilers for that two-hour debut, seems like they STILL only fit in five matches.[/quote]

I posted this before but it's good that you posted it again for those who missed it the first time around. Everyone who's been reported as being interested in leaving TNA has been misused for years now and unless TNA figures something out, the indies and Japan are about to get some major talent available to them.
 
Those guys have not been misused for years. Sabin was X Division Champion earlier this year. Alex Shelley, I'll give you. Sonjay Dutt... Well, he's always sucked. Homicide and Hernandez were used very well until Konnan left TNA.
 
Hey Zen. I tried extracting those files from the PPV you uploaded, but whenever I try to extract the second one, it says the file is corrupt.

What gives? Anyway to fix it?
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']Hey Zen. I tried extracting those files from the PPV you uploaded, but whenever I try to extract the second one, it says the file is corrupt.

What gives?[/quote]

Which show Battle of Icons, NYC, or Philly?
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Those guys have not been misused for years. Sabin was X Division Champion earlier this year. Alex Shelley, I'll give you. Sonjay Dutt... Well, he's always sucked. Homicide and Hernandez were used very well until Konnan left TNA.[/quote]
Okay using the word years for everyone in the list was going overboard, but the general idea behind the statement still stands in my opinion.

I mean being handed a belt doesn't mean you're being used correctly. Can we agree on this? Jay Lethal is the current X Division Champion, but he's otherwise being treated like a bitch.

I mean these guys are making good money. It must take something big for these guys to be realistically interested in moving on from TNA. Homcide for example was a World Champion in ROH and now he's treading water in a tag team (regardless of how over it may be) that is going nowhere. Sabin and Shelly got a ton of love when they did the ROH show back earlier this year but now what's happening with them? Why do you think Austin Aries demanded his release? Being given TV time doesn't equate to having your full talent and potential realized.
 
In a list that includes Sabin, Shelley, Homicide, and Sonjay, those guys (the first three, especially) are wrestlers that are in the business because they enjoy it. Sabin and Shelley are famous for being guys who give 110% on an indy show because they love the business. A two-minute match on TV that nobody watches and nobody cares about isn't worth nearly as much as a 20-minute *** match with tons of heat to actual wrestlers.

Not everyone wants to be on TV. Besides, ROH has health care.
 
Sonjay Dutt is one of the best wrestlers walking the face of this Earth.
 
3-D vs. Sonjay and Shark Boy was a pretty good comedy match.

And stop pushing VKM, dammit.
 
Good show.

I thought reports were that Mesias wouldn't be on iMPACT!

*shrugs*

I really like Mesias.
 
TNA and WWE differ a little bit. TNA has, unfortunately, aped the WWE style of presenting/producing wrestling shows. Lots of rambling in-ring promos, dumbass "commissioner" issues, and a bang-your-head-on-the-goddamn-wall deemphasis on wrestling matches.

OTOH, TNA differs from WWE in that, unlike WWE, they often give the slightest *glimpse* of a push to certain wrestlers. Like Jay Lethal, like Ron Killings, like Monty Brown, like Rhino, like AJ Styles, like Christopher Daniels, like Sabin, like Shelly...they seem to get them involved in angles and matches. But, if you blink at all, you miss it. They get brought up and slapped back down so fast that it's a small wonder that these guys are pissed.

Do they have a right to be pissed that they aren't in the title hunt? Well, they shouldn't be. Very few of the above should be involved in the world title hunt (then again, TNA's upper card is a rotating elite club of boredom like WWE; after BFG, who's gonna get a title match: Joe, Abyss, or Sting? You *KNOW* it ain't gonna be anyone else). Where WWE is stagnany, TNA cockteases their performers and immediately drops them.

Let me put it this way: how long back do you have to go in watching TNA to regard Sabin or Shelly as legitimate performers who deserve any more airtime than, say, Shark Boy? a pretty goddamned long way, IMO.

LAX, IMO, are whiny bitches. Sure, they aren't being pushed now. Perhaps they should be. But, to be brought in as strong as they were, and given the titles (and a right dominant reign)...and to come off as ungrateful and forgetful of that as they are (if, of course, this rumor is true) is just bitchy and petty. I love LAX as a tag team, but they can fuck right off if they think they need or deserve to be perpetual top-tier guys like Team 3D.

Now, if they're pissed about this Pacman nonsense, then they're in the right, I suppose. But that'll be over and (hopefully) forgotten sooner than later.

In short (too late), TNA is a problem here, but so are all these marks-for-themselves princesses that think they need to be on the top at all times. fuck 'em. fuck 'em in the eye. fuck 'em in the other eye. That isn't how wrestling works, I'm afraid. Sometimes wrestlers have valid reasons to be upset at a lack of push (given that TNA's ratings have been the exact same as they always have been since the jump to Spike, I'd say that the rotating crop of boring-ass title contenders needs to be shifted a bit). Christian sure did. Many in TNA sure do as well. I can empathize with Shelly and Sabin (to a degree, I think Sabin is vastly overrated, but Shelly shouldn't be where he is). I can't empathize with LAX, though.

Oh, and fire VKM.

TNA has promise that is more reasonable than, say, expecting the WWE to do something stupid like let the show involve matches that fans are into and characters they care about...but people aren't going to watch a show and say "well, it sucked, but look at the potential it has! I can't wait to tune in next week!" They're just not going to watch again.

You can believe one of two things for TNA's stagnant ratings:
1) Not a single new soul has ever watched TNA since it started up on Spike. Every single person who watches TNA does so every week.

2) Some people tune into TNA for the first time each and every week, but they are not interested enough to watch again.

The second is obviously more reasonable and far more likely.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']TNA and WWE differ a little bit. TNA has, unfortunately, aped the WWE style of presenting/producing wrestling shows. Lots of rambling in-ring promos, dumbass "commissioner" issues, and a bang-your-head-on-the-goddamn-wall deemphasis on wrestling matches.

OTOH, TNA differs from WWE in that, unlike WWE, they often give the slightest *glimpse* of a push to certain wrestlers. Like Jay Lethal, like Ron Killings, like Monty Brown, like Rhino, like AJ Styles, like Christopher Daniels, like Sabin, like Shelly...they seem to get them involved in angles and matches. But, if you blink at all, you miss it. They get brought up and slapped back down so fast that it's a small wonder that these guys are pissed.

Do they have a right to be pissed that they aren't in the title hunt? Well, they shouldn't be. Very few of the above should be involved in the world title hunt (then again, TNA's upper card is a rotating elite club of boredom like WWE; after BFG, who's gonna get a title match: Joe, Abyss, or Sting? You *KNOW* it ain't gonna be anyone else). Where WWE is stagnany, TNA cockteases their performers and immediately drops them.

Let me put it this way: how long back do you have to go in watching TNA to regard Sabin or Shelly as legitimate performers who deserve any more airtime than, say, Shark Boy? a pretty goddamned long way, IMO.

LAX, IMO, are whiny bitches. Sure, they aren't being pushed now. Perhaps they should be. But, to be brought in as strong as they were, and given the titles (and a right dominant reign)...and to come off as ungrateful and forgetful of that as they are (if, of course, this rumor is true) is just bitchy and petty. I love LAX as a tag team, but they can fuck right off if they think they need or deserve to be perpetual top-tier guys like Team 3D.

Now, if they're pissed about this Pacman nonsense, then they're in the right, I suppose. But that'll be over and (hopefully) forgotten sooner than later.

In short (too late), TNA is a problem here, but so are all these marks-for-themselves princesses that think they need to be on the top at all times. fuck 'em. fuck 'em in the eye. fuck 'em in the other eye. That isn't how wrestling works, I'm afraid. Sometimes wrestlers have valid reasons to be upset at a lack of push (given that TNA's ratings have been the exact same as they always have been since the jump to Spike, I'd say that the rotating crop of boring-ass title contenders needs to be shifted a bit). Christian sure did. Many in TNA sure do as well. I can empathize with Shelly and Sabin (to a degree, I think Sabin is vastly overrated, but Shelly shouldn't be where he is). I can't empathize with LAX, though.

Oh, and fire VKM.

TNA has promise that is more reasonable than, say, expecting the WWE to do something stupid like let the show involve matches that fans are into and characters they care about...but people aren't going to watch a show and say "well, it sucked, but look at the potential it has! I can't wait to tune in next week!" They're just not going to watch again.

You can believe one of two things for TNA's stagnant ratings:
1) Not a single new soul has ever watched TNA since it started up on Spike. Every single person who watches TNA does so every week.

2) Some people tune into TNA for the first time each and every week, but they are not interested enough to watch again.

The second is obviously more reasonable and far more likely.[/quote]
I think they have a right to be pissed. Sure some of them may not have as talent as others and may not deserve to be pushed as much as others, but regardless of that, they killed themselves working insane spots and what not only to be put into the back burner of the company so that people who already had TV time in WWE could take their spots.

Remember Chris Jericho used to job to Goldberg too in WCW and didn't become a world champion until he went into the WWE. Could he have been considered someone who could dethrone Hogan in WCW? No. Could he dethrone Sting? Goldberg? No. He couldn't. And that is the same case in TNA with talent like Shelly.

All talent is looking for organizations to take full advantage of their potential. To them TNA isn't doing it so they're going to consider their options. It's not like all of them are outwardly badmouthing TNA. And I'm not even saying that they should go to ROH. Some of the talent may sign with WWE for all we know and end up getting jobbed there or having their careers made.
 
I still think LAX is looking a gift horse in the mouth. Being a champion somewhere else doesn't mean you should be in the title picture elsewhere (otherwise Justin Credible should have had a WWE title feud ;)).

Shelly deserves more. Sabin...maybe. Dutt, no. Not IMO. Dutt's too flippy, in that no-selling cruiserweight style. I think the perfect medium for cruiserweights is between Dutt on one end and the WWE cruisers on the other. Specifically, guys like Styles and Elix Skipper (Low-Ki too, should he ever sell anything in his life).

Have they busted ass? Yes. Show me a wrestler who hasn't in TNA right now that's at the top of the card.

Looking at these alleged "WWE guys" who keep stealing spots, many of them (3D, VKM, Christian, Rhino) have been around for a long time by now. Sure, Black Reign and Fatu are *terrible* ideas. But, if anyone should really be pissed about Fatu, it should be Joe (for being shouldered with such a putz).

Who are the other "spot thieves"? Tomko? Morgan? Neither of those guys did fuck all anywhere else, including WWE. I don't think it's proper to consider them in the "they stole Shelly's spot" vain.

Other than Fatu and Black Reign (both long time veterans who, while they may be *dreadful* in your opinion and mine, have busted their asses over the years), who is there?

Like I said, it's both parties' faults. TNA, like WWE, gives guys zero mic time, zero feuds, and 4 minute matches twice a month, and then doesn't push them because they don't connect with the fans. Well, at that point, you might as well not use them at all and give them shit for not getting over. 8 minutes a month is fuck-all. TNA also seems notorious for catering to some wrestlers (clearly Angle, 3D, VKM) and ignoring others (Konnan) - this can easily lead to a highly suspicious and irritable backstage gang of wrestlers (which it appears to have done).

OTOH, while Sabin deserves as much time as, say, Eric Young (and maybe Dutt too), they don't deserve all that much. I'll grant you Shelly. And LAX doesn't appreciate what they had.

But, hey, they're young. Let 'em make like Spanky and get their "wrestling" out of their system, and then they can come back when they want to earn money. It ain't like Spanky's wrestling right now for the incredible 2 minute matches he gets to have. He's doing it for the money.

If they want to walk, let 'em walk. But TNA shouldn't give into them, IMO. Give them more opportunity, and then move them up if they get over.
 
The sad thing for Sabin and Shelley is that if they leave TNA, they'll end up exactly like Frankie Kazarian - out in the indies for a few months, a glimpse of hope in a WWE developmental deal, and right back in TNA/ROH.

See - Claudio Castagnoli.
 
[quote name='JJSP']The sad thing for Sabin and Shelley is that if they leave TNA, they'll end up exactly like Frankie Kazarian - out in the indies for a few months, a glimpse of hope in a WWE developmental deal, and right back in TNA/ROH.

See - Claudio Castagnoli.[/quote]
But Claudio has been used tremendously in ROH after the WWE changed their mind on him. If you watch the Race To The Top Tournament (which I was at live Night 2), both Claudio and Generico got the rub in the finals. And Claudio was the first legit contender to Morishima in months. He's basically the most over guy in the company behind probably the Briscoes and Bryan Danielson.

I don't know how many people are buying the ROH PPVs even though I've been shilling them like crazy, but if enough people do decide to invest in the product, ROH could easily become a third tier. Should that happen, the options open up for the talent and where they can compete.

For all we know, a company like PWG might take the next step if they see ROH making a mint on selling pretaped PPVs and suddenly we've got four viable wrestling organizations in the United States. The odds of that happening are nonexistant from what I know, but the idea of competition is good. We may not get another bloated WCW/WWF war again, but it could turn out that a bunch of smaller promotions start offering viable alternatives to the big promotions.

Now I'm just rambling since it's late, but where TNA has stalled in the ratings, ROH looks to be in a position where they only get bigger and better. In addition, ROH has a history of treating its talent with respect and the talent may feel that they're not being respected properly by TNA.

Does that make sense?
 
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Have they busted ass? Yes. Show me a wrestler who hasn't in TNA right now that's at the top of the card. [/quote]
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Your TNA Tag Champ Myke.

Looking at these alleged "WWE guys" who keep stealing spots, many of them (3D, VKM, Christian, Rhino) have been around for a long time by now. Sure, Black Reign and Fatu are *terrible* ideas. But, if anyone should really be pissed about Fatu, it should be Joe (for being shouldered with such a putz).
I think a lot of talent is used to being given spots based on the work they do. They're not used to people being given a legacy push at their expense. Like Team 3D. The last match I saw of theirs was an utter cluster-fuck. Can they draw heat? Yes. Can they work? Hell no. Regardless of the names involved, there is a lot of fat TNA could cut off from the top.


The fact is if the company doesn't care about someone and they treat them as such, they'll never get over. If the WWE allowed London a mic week after week and decided he should get over without any limits, he could because I've seen his mic work. However when TNA/WWE cuts the legs out from under their talent, you can't fault the talent for not getting over. It's like calling Christian a bitch for complaining about not being given a push when his program with Cena wasn't followed through on and he was put on the backburner when moved to Smackdown.
 
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