The Official 2007/2008 NBA thread

[quote name='Inf^Shini']Congrats to Boston but the Lakers are takin' it all the way :D

I can't even imagine how Game 1 will go though, this is gonna be an exciting series.


Let's just hold the bench argument til' we actually see them match up. Ariza hasn't even played much, just garbage time.
As for experience, I'm not looking at that, I'm looking at how much the bench has contributed in the playoffs, although I have to say, I haven't followed the Celtics bench too closely.

I'm just thinking about Garnett v. Gasol, Gasol couldn't hold down Duncan, how is he supposed to take on Garnett? >.>

Oh yea, thought I'd share this:


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KG is aint no Duncan. Duncan >>> KG
Duncan plays more physical than KG. This is the reason why Gasol was struggling in the series against the Spurs. I don't think KG is going to dominate like Duncan did on Gasol.
 
Every NBA official should watch this:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5ln1s_mike-riordan-is-a-flopper_sport



Duncan and KG are very different players. Duncan is primarily a low post player and KG is not. Duncan is unstoppable in the post, while KG is the better defender, rebounder, shooter, and passer. Duncan is better, because a low post player is much more efficient and consistent than any jump shooter no matter how good, but the margins between these two players are not that great. They're both 1st ballot hall of famers.

KG is almost as good in the low post as Duncan is, but he does it far less. This is why Garnett frustrates a lot of people. He can pass, and he can hit a 20 foot jump shot consistently, but that doesn't mean you should.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Every NBA official should watch this:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5ln1s_mike-riordan-is-a-flopper_sport



Duncan and KG are very different players. Duncan is primarily a low post player and KG is not. Duncan is unstoppable in the post, while KG is the better defender, rebounder, shooter, and passer. Duncan is better, because a low post player is much more efficient and consistent than any jump shooter no matter how good, but the margins between these two players are not that great. They're both 1st ballot hall of famers.

KG is almost as good in the low post as Duncan is, but he does it far less. This is why Garnett frustrates a lot of people. He can pass, and he can hit a 20 foot jump shot consistently, but that doesn't mean you should.[/QUOTE]

KG is not a better defensive player than TD.
TD on either 1st defensive or 2nd defensive team: 11.
KG on either 1st defensive or 2nd defensive team: 9.

KG is not a better rebounder than TD:
TD career: Regular season - 11.8; Playoff - 12.7.
KG career: Regular season - 11.2; Playoff - 12.3

KG is not a better shooter than TD:
TD career: Regular season - 0.508; Playoff - 0.501
KG career: Regular season - 0.494; Playoff - 0.473
I agree than KG has better range but I'll take a higher average anyway a power forward can get the points.
Plus, I give the huge advantage to KG with the free throw percentage.

Yes, the averages are small between KG and TD but stats don't lie.

Most important:
Championships:
TD: 4
KG: 0
Though, I am pulling for the Celtics this year.
 
[quote name='unforeseen']KG is not a better defensive player than TD.
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Has Duncan won a Defensive Player of the Year title?
 
[quote name='dafoomie']1 and 2 in Boston, 3, 4, 5 in LA, 6 and 7 in Boston.[/QUOTE]

when is game one
 
[quote name='c0rnpwn']Has Duncan won a Defensive Player of the Year title?[/QUOTE]

No.
Players like Ron Artest, Ben Wallace, and Marcus Camby have won the award and they aren't shit. So winning the award one year has not sold me on being better overall. Winning it multiple times as well as being consistently voted on the all-defensice teams.

TD is tied with Kareem with the most times on the all-defensive 1st or 2nd teams, 11 times.
Every year TD has been in the league, he has been on the all-defensive teams.

KG?
Nope.
 
Yeah, KG isn't even close to Tim Duncan's level.

I actually think this series will go pretty far, Game 1 will decide it all. If the Lakers win Game 1, it's over in 5...Celtics win I think it goes 7.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Yeah, KG isn't even close to Tim Duncan's level.

I actually think this series will go pretty far, Game 1 will decide it all. If the Lakers win Game 1, it's over in 5...Celtics win I think it goes 7.[/quote]
If the Lakers can steal either Game 1 or Game 2, they'll take it. If they lose both, then the series is probably going all seven games (Which I will not be able to take) :bomb:
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']If the Lakers can steal either Game 1 or Game 2, they'll take it. If they lose both, then the series is probably going all seven games (Which I will not be able to take) :bomb:[/quote]

I thought Boston would beat Detroit...but it's over, the Lakers will win, even though i'm pulling for the Celtics. The Lakers have one man Kobe Bryant, and that's all that matters. A really good quote from S.I. detailed it all "The comparison between Kobe and LeBron is like comparing a Volvo to a Maserati."

Kobe smells the championship, and that will do it.
 
[quote name='unforeseen']KG is not a better defensive player than TD.
TD on either 1st defensive or 2nd defensive team: 11.
KG on either 1st defensive or 2nd defensive team: 9.
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Defensive play doesn't get noticed or respected on bad teams, so I don't put any stock into all defensive team selections.

They're both great defensive players, and I'd give Duncan a slight edge as an interior defender. But KG is quicker, more athletic, and is better in the high post and against the pick and roll.

[quote name='unforeseen']KG is not a better rebounder than TD:
TD career: Regular season - 11.8; Playoff - 12.7.
KG career: Regular season - 11.2; Playoff - 12.3[/quote]
KG is a better rebounder because of his athleticism and length. KG has averaged more rebounds per game in 5 out of the last 6 years.

[quote name='unforeseen']KG is not a better shooter than TD:
TD career: Regular season - 0.508; Playoff - 0.501
KG career: Regular season - 0.494; Playoff - 0.473
I agree than KG has better range but I'll take a higher average anyway a power forward can get the points.
Plus, I give the huge advantage to KG with the free throw percentage.[/quote]
KG is a much better shooter than TD, and you just explained why. TD can't make the shots KG does. TD takes shots closer to the basket, which makes him the more efficient and better offensive player, but not the better shooter. You're basically saying Duncan is a better shooter than Jordan or Kobe because his FG% is higher (it is).

The championships are as much a product of the team around them, KG has played for some brutal teams while TD came into the league on a pretty good team. We'll get to see what KG does with the first opportunity he's ever had to play on a squad like Duncan has had for almost his entire career.


Duncan is the better player because he stays in the low post, but he's not tremendously better. We're talking about two all time greats.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']I thought Boston would beat Detroit...but it's over, the Lakers will win, even though i'm pulling for the Celtics. The Lakers have one man Kobe Bryant, and that's all that matters. A really good quote from S.I. detailed it all "The comparison between Kobe and LeBron is like comparing a Volvo to a Maserati."

Kobe smells the championship, and that will do it.[/quote]
Ahh man, I can't wait for Thursday! Whoo, I'm goin' out to the courts today, I'm pumped!
 
[quote name='unforeseen']KG is not a better defensive player than TD.
TD on either 1st defensive or 2nd defensive team: 11.
KG on either 1st defensive or 2nd defensive team: 9.

KG is not a better rebounder than TD:
TD career: Regular season - 11.8; Playoff - 12.7.
KG career: Regular season - 11.2; Playoff - 12.3

KG is not a better shooter than TD:
TD career: Regular season - 0.508; Playoff - 0.501
KG career: Regular season - 0.494; Playoff - 0.473
I agree than KG has better range but I'll take a higher average anyway a power forward can get the points.
Plus, I give the huge advantage to KG with the free throw percentage.

Yes, the averages are small between KG and TD but stats don't lie.

Most important:
Championships:
TD: 4
KG: 0
Though, I am pulling for the Celtics this year.[/quote]

the previous defensive team ballots don't matter...we're talking about NOW...i believe duncan is the better shot blocker and slightly better at defending power post up players because of his size and strength, but kg is more athletic and quick and can defend the post just as well (plus he isn't terrible at guarding a little outside the paint either)

the discrepancy between rebounding abilility is small enough to say they're about even; they are always neck-and-neck in the rebounding stats

kg is a better shooter (aka he has a better jumpshot...although watching this year's playoffs, duncan has a pretty solid jumpshot if you give him enough space)...he does it too often, but he's pretty good at it...sure duncan has a better field goal percentage, but that's because he works in the post a lot more than KG does

Yes, duncan has the clear edge in post-season experience, performance, and overall clutchness...but kg has heart (not that duncan doesn't...i'm just saying), and sometimes that can make a huge difference

hopefully this will be a long, exciting, 7-game series full of close games

no blowouts please!

i'm kinda torn between who i'll root for...i think kg deserves a ring, but i don't like the idea of a team going from nothing to champions so quickly...i don't know but it seems like they should have to go through more "trials and tribulations" than losing a few road games in the playoffs...either way i'll be happy to watch these 2 great teams play
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Defensive play doesn't get noticed or respected on bad teams, so I don't put any stock into all defensive team selections.

They're both great defensive players, and I'd give Duncan a slight edge as an interior defender. But KG is quicker, more athletic, and is better in the high post and against the pick and roll.


KG is a better rebounder because of his athleticism and length. KG has averaged more rebounds per game in 5 out of the last 6 years.


KG is a much better shooter than TD, and you just explained why. TD can't make the shots KG does. TD takes shots closer to the basket, which makes him the more efficient and better offensive player, but not the better shooter. You're basically saying Duncan is a better shooter than Jordan or Kobe because his FG% is higher (it is).

The championships are as much a product of the team around them, KG has played for some brutal teams while TD came into the league on a pretty good team. We'll get to see what KG does with the first opportunity he's ever had to play on a squad like Duncan has had for almost his entire career.


Duncan is the better player because he stays in the low post, but he's not tremendously better. We're talking about two all time greats.[/quote]

TD actually has an underrated jumper, he can hit that top of the free throw line jumper and has one of the best bank shots ever in the NBA. Their two different players even though they play the same position, KG bases a lot of his moves off of his athleticism, and TD's is based on his knowledge of the game and finesse.

I'd consider Duncan an all-time great, not so sure about KG. Duncan is the best PF ever, IMO, above Malone.

Duncan's cast actually sucked balls excluding 99 and from 04-present of his career, I mean when they won it in 2003, the roster was very poor. That was the season that Spurs management was willing to give up Tony Parker for a pack of fruit roll ups, and was dying to Jason Kidd.

Duncan's 03' cast: Tim Duncan
| David Robinson
| Stephen Jackson
| Malik Rose
| Tony Parker
| Emanuel Ginobili |
Bruce Bowen
| Steve Smith |
Speedy Claxton |
Kevin Willis |
Steve Kerr |
Danny Ferry |
Devin Brown |
Anthony Goldwire |
Mengke Bateer

Remember, this was before Stephen Jackson was Capn' Jack, before Manu was an All-Star, and at the time where Robinson, Steve Smith, Kerr, Ferry were all washed up. Add to the fact, Bowen was just coming into his own as a defender.

His 99' cast was stellar due to the fact David Robinson, Elliot, Elie, and Duncan all held that team together.
 
[quote name='docvinh']I would put Barkley above Malone.[/quote]

You can have either or really....Barkley vs the Sonics in the WCF back in the day was crazy ditto when he shat on my Warriors.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']I thought Boston would beat Detroit...but it's over, the Lakers will win, even though i'm pulling for the Celtics. The Lakers have one man Kobe Bryant, and that's all that matters. A really good quote from S.I. detailed it all "The comparison between Kobe and LeBron is like comparing a Volvo to a Maserati."

Kobe smells the championship, and that will do it.[/quote]

Wow! :whistle2:k to the quote compared on S.I.
Kobe is the 2nd most deadliest snake on the world aka Black Mamba!

It will be an awesome series to watch. Both teams are evenly matched.
Cant wait... \\:D/
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Defensive play doesn't get noticed or respected on bad teams, so I don't put any stock into all defensive team selections.

They're both great defensive players, and I'd give Duncan a slight edge as an interior defender. But KG is quicker, more athletic, and is better in the high post and against the pick and roll.


KG is a better rebounder because of his athleticism and length. KG has averaged more rebounds per game in 5 out of the last 6 years.


KG is a much better shooter than TD, and you just explained why. TD can't make the shots KG does. TD takes shots closer to the basket, which makes him the more efficient and better offensive player, but not the better shooter. You're basically saying Duncan is a better shooter than Jordan or Kobe because his FG% is higher (it is).

The championships are as much a product of the team around them, KG has played for some brutal teams while TD came into the league on a pretty good team. We'll get to see what KG does with the first opportunity he's ever had to play on a squad like Duncan has had for almost his entire career.


Duncan is the better player because he stays in the low post, but he's not tremendously better. We're talking about two all time greats.[/QUOTE]

It is up to management to surround the franchise player with talent. All TD had for awhile was an aging Robinson. Hell, even Lebron lead his worthless dead-weight teammates to the NBA finals.

Also, I am comparing power forward with power forward, not against shooting guards like Jordan/Kobe.

I would not want a power forward shooting anything past 12 ft. Garnett has limited interior offensive skills (yes, I said it) with his frequent turn-around fade-way shots. Why would any power forward consistently shy away from contact?
TD has attempted over 1350 more free throw attempts than KG (since 1997-1998: his rookie year), causing more trouble for defenders due to foul trouble.

With all the stats that I provided in my previous post, you also have to factor in all the hard extra post-seasons that TD was involved in and continued to pile the numbers the following seasons.

And no, KG is not a first ballot hall-of-famer...yet.

To swetooth9, you need to stop watching those Gatorade commercials with KG.
Green sweat does not constitute more heart. It was pretty shameful to show KG with the championship banners in the background...like he was responsible for those glory years.
 
[quote name='docvinh']I would put Barkley above Malone.[/quote]


Easily. Charles Barkley, in his prime, was the most well rounded and outstanding PF of all time. There were no other players in NBA history that could do what he did.

Also, Tim Duncan is quite a bit better than Kevin Garnett.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Easily. Charles Barkley, in his prime, was the most well rounded and outstanding PF of all time. There were no other players in NBA history that could do what he did.

Also, Tim Duncan is quite a bit better than Kevin Garnett.[/quote]
QFT
even though i hate the spurs i gotta give TD the props he deserves. All in all in see my Lakers winning in 5. The Celts are not able to keep their tempo going a whole game.
 
[quote name='unforeseen']It is up to management to surround the franchise player with talent. All TD had for awhile was an aging Robinson. Hell, even Lebron lead his worthless dead-weight teammates to the NBA finals.

Also, I am comparing power forward with power forward, not against shooting guards like Jordan/Kobe.

I would not want a power forward shooting anything past 12 ft. Garnett has limited interior offensive skills (yes, I said it) with his frequent turn-around fade-way shots. Why would any power forward consistently shy away from contact?
TD has attempted over 1350 more free throw attempts than KG (since 1997-1998: his rookie year), causing more trouble for defenders due to foul trouble.

With all the stats that I provided in my previous post, you also have to factor in all the hard extra post-seasons that TD was involved in and continued to pile the numbers the following seasons.

And no, KG is not a first ballot hall-of-famer...yet.

To swetooth9, you need to stop watching those Gatorade commercials with KG.
Green sweat does not constitute more heart. It was pretty shameful to show KG with the championship banners in the background...like he was responsible for those glory years.[/quote]

"even" lebron? lebron is a bonafide beast...
and even though KG is a PF, if he can consistently keep the defense honest with a skill he has (the mid range jumpshot), why not use it (sure he does over use it, but still....he consistently makes it)?

and i agree with you that kg does shy away from contact a lot of times using his fadaway in the post....but he's very good at that, so it's not a huge deal...the only reason he doesn't like to get more contact in the post is because he is lanky, unlike the solid build of TD

and if you read my post about the "heart" thing, you would have noticed that all i said was that KG has heart for the game, not that he has more than TD...i've been watching KG for years since before the spreewell+cassell wolves (you know back when the twolves got ousted every year in the first round), and i've actually seen him play with passion/heart, so that's what I was going for (not the overplayed kg gatorade commercial like you assumed i was using)
 
This debate is rather pointless and I cant figure out what you guys are trying to prove.

KG and TD are both great players that bring a lot to any team that are on. They play the same postilions but are very different players with different styles.

It seems like you guys are trying to debate that one style of play is better than the other when in reality the only thing that matter is how good the player is.

KG is a combo PF while TD is simply a PF. KG is a mix between a PF and a slashing SF. Who cares if he does a fade away every time......it goes in 80% of the time. Its just a style that he devolved due to his height. Similar to the very high release point of Resheed Wallace. He shots that high because he is 6 10 and no one can block it. KG fades away because he most liker taller and more agility then his opponent.

TD having great post offense but far less agility than KG cant fade away or make quick moves. So he rely on his footwork and fakes along with that baby hook to score post.


Its like saying Dirk is worse than Dwight Howard because Dirk doesnt bang on people and snag 20 rebounds a game. They both play the same position but are vastly different players. Being a tall doesnt mean you have to be the traditional "gumpy slow rebounder that only has 2 moves he can preform while never being more than 2 ft away from the basket and while bounce the ball of his leg at the slightest move."

I simply dont see what you guys are getting at. Both are great players, both are the highest of the high when it comes to their position, they both have talent that that makes them superstars.
 
Radmanovic guarding Pierce is a joke. Odom would get schooled by Garnett, and if they put Gasol on Garnett, they'll have another mismatch with Perkins on Odom.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Radmanovic guarding Pierce is a joke. Odom would get schooled by Garnett, and if they put Gasol on Garnett, they'll have another mismatch with Perkins on Odom.[/quote]
Who is Kobe guarding???

Fisher on Rondo might be interesting.

Btw, I saw an article talking about Robert Horry's possible retirement, and he referred to himself as being smarter than 98% of the other NBA players, I was sorta like :whistle2:s
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Radmanovic guarding Pierce is a joke. Odom would get schooled by Garnett, and if they put Gasol on Garnett, they'll have another mismatch with Perkins on Odom.[/QUOTE]
But who on Boston is going to guard Kobe? I think they'll put Odom either on Garnett or Pierce. Gasol can't guard anyone anyway, so it doesn't matter who they put him on.:)
 
Odom on Perkins? That has to be a joke...Odom will work him.

If i'm the Lakers, I actually consider putting Kobe on Rondo and Fish on Allen. Rondo is more of a threat right now, then Allen would be, and Fish is a better defender throughout the WHOLE game, while Kobe's defense steps up usually in the 4th.
 
Kobe is guarding Ray Allen (Ray Allen has done well offensively against Kobe in the past)
Fisher is guarding Rondo (can Fisher deal with Rondo's quickness?)
Gasol is guarding Garnett (interesting, though I give KG the upper hand)
Odom is guarding Perkins (mismatch, Perk has 50lbs on Odom)
Radmanovic is guarding Pierce (Pierce will school Vlad Rad)

Rondo is guarding Fisher (Fisher at least won't see too many open, uncontested 3's)
Perkins is on Gasol (Perkins will try to be physical with Gasol, who is soft)
Garnett will probably guard Odom (and Garnett wins that matchup)
Ray Allen might guard Kobe (see below)
Pierce will guard Kobe some, otherwise Radmanovic

The defensive gameplan of the C's will be to put Ray Allen on Kobe. Don't laugh. They'll give him those jumpshots and keep him away from the paint, its basically a 60% success rate vs 80%, plus he won't get as many fouls. They want Kobe to take tons of shots, tempting when you're being guarded by Ray Allen, and not get his teammates involved. There is absolutely no stopping Kobe, he'll get his 30 or 35, but you can contain the damage he does. The Lakers are better when Kobe is getting his teammates involved and not taking every shot. It sounds crazy, but its what the Celtics did earlier in the season.

The Celtics will almost surely dominate the boards, Pierce is going to be their main scorer and shit all over Radmanovic, Ariza, or whoever tries to guard him, I don't think anyone but Kobe could do a half decent job on Pierce.

I see Odom trying to help Gasol defend Garnett, but anyone who saw the Detroit series will tell you what'll happen if Perkins is left alone.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Kobe is guarding Ray Allen (Ray Allen has done well offensively against Kobe in the past)
Fisher is guarding Rondo (can Fisher deal with Rondo's quickness?)
Gasol is guarding Garnett (interesting, though I give KG the upper hand)
Odom is guarding Perkins (mismatch, Perk has 50lbs on Odom)
Radmanovic is guarding Pierce (Pierce will school Vlad Rad)

Rondo is guarding Fisher (Fisher at least won't see too many open, uncontested 3's)
Perkins is on Gasol (Perkins will try to be physical with Gasol, who is soft)
Garnett will probably guard Odom (and Garnett wins that matchup)
Ray Allen might guard Kobe (see below)
Pierce will guard Kobe some, otherwise Radmanovic

The defensive gameplan of the C's will be to put Ray Allen on Kobe. Don't laugh. They'll give him those jumpshots and keep him away from the paint, its basically a 60% success rate vs 80%, plus he won't get as many fouls. They want Kobe to take tons of shots, tempting when you're being guarded by Ray Allen, and not get his teammates involved. There is absolutely no stopping Kobe, he'll get his 30 or 35, but you can contain the damage he does. The Lakers are better when Kobe is getting his teammates involved and not taking every shot. It sounds crazy, but its what the Celtics did earlier in the season.

The Celtics will almost surely dominate the boards, Pierce is going to be their main scorer and shit all over Radmanovic, Ariza, or whoever tries to guard him, I don't think anyone but Kobe could do a half decent job on Pierce.

I see Odom trying to help Gasol defend Garnett, but anyone who saw the Detroit series will tell you what'll happen if Perkins is left alone.[/quote]

yea they'll probably do what you said since that's what they did to lebron (which worked well)

i see fisher wining the matchup vs rondo and kobe winning the matchup vs ray, but pierce should absolutely dominate vlad, and kg should dominate whoever guards him (they will double him no doubt though)

i actually think odom should be the primary defender (with help defense coming down low) against kg since odom is quicker in case kg goes to the perimeter, but is also long and lanky like kg...
 
[quote name='swetooth9']yea they'll probably do what you said since that's what they did to lebron (which worked well)

i see fisher wining the matchup vs rondo and kobe winning the matchup vs ray, but pierce should absolutely dominate vlad, and kg should dominate whoever guards him (they will double him no doubt though)

i actually think odom should be the primary defender (with help defense coming down low) against kg since odom is quicker in case kg goes to the perimeter, but is also long and lanky like kg...[/QUOTE]
KG has dominated Odom in the past, so I can see why they'd put Gasol on him. But, neither one of those guys is particularly good at interior defense, the Lakers are going to get killed on the boards and in the paint.

The Lakers simply do not matchup well at all with the Celtics in the frontcourt.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']KG has dominated Odom in the past, so I can see why they'd put Gasol on him. But, neither one of those guys is particularly good at interior defense, the Lakers are going to get killed on the boards and in the paint.

The Lakers simply do not matchup well at all with the Celtics in the frontcourt.[/quote]
Kinda like how Utah dominated them on the boards eh? Gasol better fken man up and go for the rebounds, I can't tell you how many times I was yelling at the screen telling him to go for the ball or at least jump to make an attempt :/
He'll do it once in a while, but that's just not good enough
 
I don't think the Lakers really care who guards KG, because in the 4th quarter, i'd let my 6 year old nephew guard him.

Nobody will stop Kobe, nobody. You think if they triple team him he still won't get to the basket? Your crazy. Check the game-winner he hit vs the Spurs in Game 1, he had 3 people on him, didn't give up the ball. But, I agree on him not getting his teammates involved, it's going to be important Vujacic/Farmar/Vlad hit those shots.

Pierce really has to drop 40 a game, it's their only hope.
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']Kinda like how Utah dominated them on the boards eh? Gasol better fken man up and go for the rebounds, I can't tell you how many times I was yelling at the screen telling him to go for the ball or at least jump to make an attempt :/
He'll do it once in a while, but that's just not good enough[/quote]

he had 19 rebounds in the closeout game against the spurs
id say he can rebound....

btw im not worried about the gasol and odom matchups since i think they'll do fine
the main matchup id be worried about is pierce since theres no one on LA that has the size and strength to guard him
 
[quote name='dafoomie']KG has dominated Odom in the past, so I can see why they'd put Gasol on him. But, neither one of those guys is particularly good at interior defense, the Lakers are going to get killed on the boards and in the paint.

The Lakers simply do not matchup well at all with the Celtics in the frontcourt.[/quote]

i think odom and gasol can defend decently if they work together...i mean, they did a pretty good job (as good as you can) against duncan, who is just as much of a problem inside as kg and perkins are...i think the matchups will be pretty good with the most lopsided one being the pierce vs anybody (vlad i guess? haha) matchup

pierce must abuse whatever matchup they throw at him because he will score regardless...he's too good not to
 
i like this version of the kg gatorade commercial
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqn5Wzhxzoc[/media]:rofl:

also
[MEDIA]http://youtube.com/watch?v=lkXb20DtP8A[/MEDIA]
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']I don't think the Lakers really care who guards KG, because in the 4th quarter, i'd let my 6 year old nephew guard him.

Nobody will stop Kobe, nobody. You think if they triple team him he still won't get to the basket? Your crazy. Check the game-winner he hit vs the Spurs in Game 1, he had 3 people on him, didn't give up the ball. But, I agree on him not getting his teammates involved, it's going to be important Vujacic/Farmar/Vlad hit those shots.

Pierce really has to drop 40 a game, it's their only hope.[/QUOTE]

Geez man, I know you hate on Garnett, but this is getting nuts. He had a decent 4th quarter in the last two games against Detroit, plus they really didn't bring him in to be the top scorer anyway. I agree Kobe will get his, but everyone else definitely needs to make their shots or it isn't going to matter if he drops 80, they'll still lose.
 
[quote name='docvinh']Geez man, I know you hate on Garnett, but this is getting nuts. He had a decent 4th quarter in the last two games against Detroit, plus they really didn't bring him in to be the top scorer anyway. I agree Kobe will get his, but everyone else definitely needs to make their shots or it isn't going to matter if he drops 80, they'll still lose.[/quote]

Thats why I havent even attempted to comment. Its a stupid debate they both of them are continuing for no real reason.

Ph33r you have not only cross the line of logical sports debate you sprinted right past it and dove head first into mindless annoying fanboyism.

Fact: A team/player is NOT good/bad simply because you like or dislike them.

Kg is a superstar and has been before the Lebrons,Wades, Pauls ect ect give him the benefit of the doubt.

This last page is simply disgusting. Full of complete and utter stat errors and people just pulling things out of their ass to try to make a point. Gasol cant rebound? He average 8.9 through the play offs. 9 rebounds is pretty good.

The problem is that you guys are trying to debate a superstar against another superstar. Since they are in the same category it will always boil down to the "No no no MY guy is better." Argument. Lets not forget the Tim Ducan is better than KG because he doesnt shoot fade aways. :roll:

Its surprising to me that you guys think this is going to come down to the superstars. KG will get a double double...why? Beacuse he has been getting a double double before most of us knew how to even dribble a basketball. Kobe will do what he does along wtih PP and the rest.

Big match up are less about Superstars and more about Role players. Perkins has showed that out of no where he can truly affect a game's out come. Rondo has a lot of upside that you cant really game plan for. Vlad can bust out of nowhere for some big shots. Fisher is always known to shoot a dagger shot. Hell even Luke Walton hits big sometimes same with Posey.

All of the superstars will cancel each other out. This will be a finals for the role players. Which ever team has the better role player will win. Bottom line.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Thats why I havent even attempted to comment. Its a stupid debate they both of them are continuing for no real reason.

Ph33r you have not only cross the line of logical sports debate you sprinted right past it and dove head first into mindless annoying fanboyism.

Fact: A team/player is NOT good/bad simply because you like or dislike them.

Kg is a superstar and has been before the Lebrons,Wades, Pauls ect ect give him the benefit of the doubt.

This last page is simply disgusting. Full of complete and utter stat errors and people just pulling things out of their ass to try to make a point. Gasol cant rebound? He average 8.9 through the play offs. 9 rebounds is pretty good.

The problem is that you guys are trying to debate a superstar against another superstar. Since they are in the same category it will always boil down to the "No no no MY guy is better." Argument. Lets not forget the Tim Ducan is better than KG because he doesnt shoot fade aways. :roll:

Its surprising to me that you guys think this is going to come down to the superstars. KG will get a double double...why? Beacuse he has been getting a double double before most of us knew how to even dribble a basketball. Kobe will do what he does along wtih PP and the rest.

Big match up are less about Superstars and more about Role players. Perkins has showed that out of no where he can truly affect a game's out come. Rondo has a lot of upside that you cant really game plan for. Vlad can bust out of nowhere for some big shots. Fisher is always known to shoot a dagger shot. Hell even Luke Walton hits big sometimes same with Posey.

All of the superstars will cancel each other out. This will be a finals for the role players. Which ever team has the better role player will win. Bottom line.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that is true since teams pay the superstars huge sums of $$ to cancel each other out and NOT step up in big games. I am not saying role players should be overlooked but the NBA is a league where superstars matter the most (not right, but true).

The NBA should also NOT advertise KG vs. Kobe, it should be Farmer, Sasha, Ronnie, and Ariza vs. Cassell, Brown, Posey, and House.

Get over yourself. This thread is suppose to be NBA related material. Last time I checked Duncan vs. Garnett, Detroit vs. Celtics, Lakers vs everyone, etc. involves the NBA...so if you don't like it, stop reading the thread.

NBA...where role players happen.
 
[quote name='unforeseen']Yes, that is true since teams pay the superstars huge sums of $$ to cancel each other out and NOT step up in big games. I am not saying role players should be overlooked but the NBA is a league where superstars matter the most (not right, but true).

The NBA should also NOT advertise KG vs. Kobe, it should be Farmer, Sasha, Ronnie, and Ariza vs. Cassell, Brown, Posey, and House.

Get over yourself. This thread is suppose to be NBA related material. Last time I checked Duncan vs. Garnett, Detroit vs. Celtics, Lakers vs everyone, etc. involves the NBA...so if you don't like it, stop reading the thread.

NBA...where role players happen.[/quote]

Listen debating Ducan vs Kg is fine and dandy. But pulling stats out of your ass to do so is simply annoying but thats simply my opinion. I prefer to debate using things like stats instead of favoring.

Also. There isnt a single superstar that can win an entire series by himself so it not about not stepping up in big games. (Maybe Lebron but thas an extreme beacuse he has no choice and even so will never win a championship because one guy simply cant will his team through out the entire NBA playoffs) Having a superstar on your team gets through through the Regular season while selling tickets and jersey. But in a 7 game series vs the same team over and over it becomes more about the players around the superstar.

Kobe will hit 30 but 30 points isnt enough to win a game. Thats why role players are so imporant.

You pay superstars to hit clutch shots that win games but you also pay them to lead your role player to preform at the highest level. If you listen to any of the press conferences today you hear every one of the Lakers talk about feeding off of Kobe's leadership. Part of being a superstar is getting the other 4-6 players on the team into the game.


So yes. I honestly think this series will be less about Kobe, KG, PP, Gasol and more about Perkins, Vlad, Fisher, Posey and Rondo. Beacuse unless those guys step up and make big plays your team is done.

We will see tonight.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Thats why I havent even attempted to comment. Its a stupid debate they both of them are continuing for no real reason.

Ph33r you have not only cross the line of logical sports debate you sprinted right past it and dove head first into mindless annoying fanboyism.

Fact: A team/player is NOT good/bad simply because you like or dislike them.

Kg is a superstar and has been before the Lebrons,Wades, Pauls ect ect give him the benefit of the doubt.

This last page is simply disgusting. Full of complete and utter stat errors and people just pulling things out of their ass to try to make a point. Gasol cant rebound? He average 8.9 through the play offs. 9 rebounds is pretty good.

The problem is that you guys are trying to debate a superstar against another superstar. Since they are in the same category it will always boil down to the "No no no MY guy is better." Argument. Lets not forget the Tim Ducan is better than KG because he doesnt shoot fade aways. :roll:

Its surprising to me that you guys think this is going to come down to the superstars. KG will get a double double...why? Beacuse he has been getting a double double before most of us knew how to even dribble a basketball. Kobe will do what he does along wtih PP and the rest.

Big match up are less about Superstars and more about Role players. Perkins has showed that out of no where he can truly affect a game's out come. Rondo has a lot of upside that you cant really game plan for. Vlad can bust out of nowhere for some big shots. Fisher is always known to shoot a dagger shot. Hell even Luke Walton hits big sometimes same with Posey.

All of the superstars will cancel each other out. This will be a finals for the role players. Which ever team has the better role player will win. Bottom line.[/quote]

Slow your roll little man, I don't like KG? I'm just stating the fuckin' facts you moron.
Is KG clutch in the 4th quarter? No.
Do I want him to have the ball in the 4th? No.
Am I tired of him shooting those 17 foot jumpers when he could just easily blow by his man and dunk it? Yes.
Do I believe that KG shoulda dropped 40+ everynight on Zach fuckin Pachulia? Yes.

I don't hate KG, I like him, good guy, one of the few loyal players in the league. Only problem I have with him is if your going to call him a "superstar", he needs to earn that title. Only once, watching KG have I ever said "He's a Superstar" and that was in 2004 Game 7 vs the Kings.

What seperates a superstar from a star (or All-Star caliber player) is their killer instinct. It's what seperates Kobe Bryant from a Carmelo Anthony.

Fanboyism? This guy has to be fuckin' joking. Get off your ass, stop watching Around The Horn, and watch some ESPN Classic and learn up on a game called Basketball.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Slow your roll little man, I don't like KG? I'm just stating the fuckin' facts you moron.
Is KG clutch in the 4th quarter? No.
Do I want him to have the ball in the 4th? No.
Am I tired of him shooting those 17 foot jumpers when he could just easily blow by his man and dunk it? Yes.
Do I believe that KG shoulda dropped 40+ everynight on Zach fuckin Pachulia? Yes.

I don't hate KG, I like him, good guy, one of the few loyal players in the league. Only problem I have with him is if your going to call him a "superstar", he needs to earn that title. Only once, watching KG have I ever said "He's a Superstar" and that was in 2004 Game 7 vs the Kings.

What seperates a superstar from a star (or All-Star caliber player) is their killer instinct. It's what seperates Kobe Bryant from a Carmelo Anthony.

Fanboyism? This guy has to be fuckin' joking. Get off your ass, stop watching Around The Horn, and watch some ESPN Classic and learn up on a game called Basketball.[/QUOTE]

I haven't gotten in on this discussion, but I just want to say that was well said. :applause:
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Slow your roll little man, I don't like KG? I'm just stating the fuckin' facts you moron.
Is KG clutch in the 4th quarter? No.
Do I want him to have the ball in the 4th? No.
Am I tired of him shooting those 17 foot jumpers when he could just easily blow by his man and dunk it? Yes.
Do I believe that KG shoulda dropped 40+ everynight on Zach fuckin Pachulia? Yes.

I don't hate KG, I like him, good guy, one of the few loyal players in the league. Only problem I have with him is if your going to call him a "superstar", he needs to earn that title. Only once, watching KG have I ever said "He's a Superstar" and that was in 2004 Game 7 vs the Kings.

What seperates a superstar from a star (or All-Star caliber player) is their killer instinct. It's what seperates Kobe Bryant from a Carmelo Anthony.

Fanboyism? This guy has to be fuckin' joking. Get off your ass, stop watching Around The Horn, and watch some ESPN Classic and learn up on a game called Basketball.[/QUOTE]

My arguments agianst KG exactly, without the stats part. :)
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Slow your roll little man, I don't like KG? I'm just stating the fuckin' facts you moron.
Is KG clutch in the 4th quarter? No.
Do I want him to have the ball in the 4th? No.
Am I tired of him shooting those 17 foot jumpers when he could just easily blow by his man and dunk it? Yes.
Do I believe that KG shoulda dropped 40+ everynight on Zach fuckin Pachulia? Yes.

I don't hate KG, I like him, good guy, one of the few loyal players in the league. Only problem I have with him is if your going to call him a "superstar", he needs to earn that title. Only once, watching KG have I ever said "He's a Superstar" and that was in 2004 Game 7 vs the Kings.

What seperates a superstar from a star (or All-Star caliber player) is their killer instinct. It's what seperates Kobe Bryant from a Carmelo Anthony.

Fanboyism? This guy has to be fuckin' joking. Get off your ass, stop watching Around The Horn, and watch some ESPN Classic and learn up on a game called Basketball.[/quote]
It's Zaza Pachulia. Also I hope the Lakers win.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Slow your roll little man, I don't like KG? I'm just stating the fuckin' facts you moron.
Is KG clutch in the 4th quarter? No.
Do I want him to have the ball in the 4th? No.
Am I tired of him shooting those 17 foot jumpers when he could just easily blow by his man and dunk it? Yes.
Do I believe that KG shoulda dropped 40+ everynight on Zach fuckin Pachulia? Yes.

I don't hate KG, I like him, good guy, one of the few loyal players in the league. Only problem I have with him is if your going to call him a "superstar", he needs to earn that title. Only once, watching KG have I ever said "He's a Superstar" and that was in 2004 Game 7 vs the Kings.

What seperates a superstar from a star (or All-Star caliber player) is their killer instinct. It's what seperates Kobe Bryant from a Carmelo Anthony.

Fanboyism? This guy has to be fuckin' joking. Get off your ass, stop watching Around The Horn, and watch some ESPN Classic and learn up on a game called Basketball.[/quote]
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Josh Smith guarded KG in the 1st quarter of the series, then switched off when Pachulia came in.
 
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