User DrunkPollock Warning - Do not trade/Halt

[quote name='magiic']I know as a result of this I am no longer cross shipping to anyone with less than 40 feedback[/quote]


When I first read this I thought it was too strict, but after some thought, I agree wholeheartedly. Those of us with more feedback have the right to flex our iTrader ratings a little bit for our own protection.
 
[quote name='captmurphy']When I first read this I thought it was too strict, but after some thought, I agree wholeheartedly. Those of us with more feedback have the right to flex our iTrader ratings a little bit for our own protection.[/QUOTE]But at the same time, a lot of us who are trying to build up our trading rating or make trades, we still get scammed by someone who was higher than us. How are we suppose to trade in the future when we got scammed by someone with a higher feedback (making us weary of sending first), along with not being able to build much feedback. That's why I'm very sickened by this and will probably just let GS have all the games I don't want.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']But at the same time, a lot of us who are trying to build up our trading rating or make trades, we still get scammed by someone who was higher than us. How are we suppose to trade in the future when we got scammed by someone with a higher feedback (making us weary of sending first), along with not being able to build much feedback. That's why I'm very sickened by this and will probably just let GS have all the games I don't want.[/quote]

Just wait until Shrike decides to pull a fast one on us LOL! He'll make out like a bandit with his feedback ;)

HAHA I kid I kid!
 
I think good communication with the buyer and the community can help prevent some of these scammers. Like if a person has a trade thread... GO ahead and make public the trades on yours as well as theirs that you have with this individual. ( update with what the trade is/ when it was shipped / when it was recieved / tracking info / etc. ) This will be public to all members. If you had seen all the trades that this fellow was doing, would you have traded with him? I sure would not have... Or at least waited a bit to see how others were fairing in the trade.

One example that I can think is brianmoy's TL.. He does a great job.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4138107&postcount=467
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']But at the same time, a lot of us who are trying to build up our trading rating or make trades, we still get scammed by someone who was higher than us. How are we suppose to trade in the future when we got scammed by someone with a higher feedback (making us weary of sending first), along with not being able to build much feedback. That's why I'm very sickened by this and will probably just let GS have all the games I don't want.[/quote]

This user I believe had a feedback of less than 20. I would suggest you trade only with those with a feedback of +35 if they insist that you send first. In addition and as was suggested earlier, maybe you should limit the value of an order being shipped or split it up into multiple shipments to offset the risk of the other person not following through. A little pricier to ship this way, but may be worth the peace of mind if this worries you.

edit: never mind the second part mana knight, didn't realize you were the one who originally made the suggestion. my point was that in order for the feedback rule of who ships first to kick in, they difference in feedback between users should be substantial, just to be on the safe side.
 
i'm really sorry to hear about this and i hope this ends well.

But heres a suggestion i think can add a little more safety to trading here.
how about a number of trades at a time limit and/or required Pending trade summary in itrader.
Because it seems like to me this guy having 20+ trades going on at a time is ridiculous.
I mean there are legit traders that trade alot at a time but it should be safety over convenience i believe.
If possible there should be a system that tells users how many trades the user is pending it at the moment.
Alot of cags already list their pending trades in their trade list at their own accord but this would make it required, official, and regulated.
For example a system where when two members agrees to a trade Both users must submit the trade conditions to itrader and it will show up on both members Itrader, similar to a feedback but before the transaction.

This way it will avoid the person pending multiple trades for 1 copy of a game like for Bully in this case.
Also it will make the conditions clear for both sides that way there wont be any disagreements or denials later.
Also if a CAG sees a person with 10+ major trades already going on at the moment they probably would want to wait until they are completed before going on.

I don't know if this idea has already been mention, been rejected, or just impossible to do but its my suggestion.
 
[quote name='supraazn']i'm really sorry to hear about this and i hope this ends well.

But heres a suggestion i think can add a little more safety to trading here.
how about a number of trades at a time limit and/or required Pending trade summary in itrader.
Because it seems like to me this guy having 20+ trades going on at a time is ridiculous.
I mean there are legit traders that trade alot at a time but it should be safety over convenience i believe.
If possible there should be a system that tells users how many trades the user is pending it at the moment.
Alot of cags already list their pending trades in their trade list at their own accord but this would make it required, official, and regulated.
For example a system where when two members agrees to a trade Both users must submit the trade conditions to itrader and it will show up on both members Itrader, similar to a feedback but before the transaction.

This way it will avoid the person pending multiple trades for 1 copy of a game like for Bully in this case.
Also it will make the conditions clear for both sides that way there wont be any disagreements or denials later.
Also if a CAG sees a person with 10+ major trades already going on at the moment they probably would want to wait until they are completed before going on.

I don't know if this idea has already been mention, been rejected, or just impossible to do but its my suggestion.[/quote]

Not so sure about a limit. I sometimes have 10+ trades going on at a time, but i've had no problems. Maybe keeping track of trades is a better idea (although i do that in my tradelist anyway :))
 
[quote name='doraemonkerpal']Just wait until Shrike decides to pull a fast one on us LOL! He'll make out like a bandit with his feedback ;)

HAHA I kid I kid![/quote]:shock:

Yeah, I think that I'm in such a position to pull an end-on run with everyone on CAG and scam them. :roll:
 
[quote name='shrike4242']:shock:

Yeah, I think that I'm in such a position to pull an end-on run with everyone on CAG and scam them. :roll:[/quote]

LOL. He just means if you did, you could probably get away with it. Then again, since everyone knows you, you'd probably be the least likely to get away with it. NVM. You're a good guy anyway :D

[quote name='Demix500']Good thing i didn't trade him my laptop.
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176384[/quote]

Would you honestly send a LAPTOP first?


Anyway, the worst part of this is, becuase of him, people like me with 20-40 feedback won't be trusted anymore. It's really irksome.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']But at the same time, a lot of us who are trying to build up our trading rating or make trades, we still get scammed by someone who was higher than us. How are we suppose to trade in the future when we got scammed by someone with a higher feedback (making us weary of sending first), along with not being able to build much feedback. That's why I'm very sickened by this and will probably just let GS have all the games I don't want.[/quote]


This simple problem can be bypassed by only dealing with those above a certain iTrader threshold, period. Magiic suggested 40, and I think that is a decent number. Until you get to the point where you have that many, only deal with established CAGs.
 
[quote name='the_punisher']LOL. He just means if you did, you could probably get away with it. Then again, since everyone knows you, you'd probably be the least likely to get away with it. NVM. You're a good guy anyway :D



Would you honestly send a LAPTOP first?


Anyway, the worst part of this is, becuase of him, people like me with 20-40 feedback won't be trusted anymore. It's really irksome.[/quote]

it was laptop for a system/game/accessory bundle so it would have been feasible to some.
 
[quote name='Demix500']it was laptop for a system/game/accessory bundle so it would have been feasible to some.[/quote]

Depends on what your trading for....
 
[quote name='shrike4242']:shock:

Yeah, I think that I'm in such a position to pull an end-on run with everyone on CAG and scam them. :roll:[/quote]

I was joking :)
 
[quote name='spamfree2']I think good communication with the buyer and the community can help prevent some of these scammers. Like if a person has a trade thread... GO ahead and make public the trades on yours as well as theirs that you have with this individual. ( update with what the trade is/ when it was shipped / when it was recieved / tracking info / etc. ) This will be public to all members. If you had seen all the trades that this fellow was doing, would you have traded with him? I sure would not have... Or at least waited a bit to see how others were fairing in the trade.

One example that I can think is brianmoy's TL.. He does a great job.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4138107&postcount=467[/QUOTE]

[quote name='supraazn']i'm really sorry to hear about this and i hope this ends well.

But heres a suggestion i think can add a little more safety to trading here.
how about a number of trades at a time limit and/or required Pending trade summary in itrader.
Because it seems like to me this guy having 20+ trades going on at a time is ridiculous.
I mean there are legit traders that trade alot at a time but it should be safety over convenience i believe.
If possible there should be a system that tells users how many trades the user is pending it at the moment.
Alot of cags already list their pending trades in their trade list at their own accord but this would make it required, official, and regulated.
For example a system where when two members agrees to a trade Both users must submit the trade conditions to itrader and it will show up on both members Itrader, similar to a feedback but before the transaction.

This way it will avoid the person pending multiple trades for 1 copy of a game like for Bully in this case.
Also it will make the conditions clear for both sides that way there wont be any disagreements or denials later.
Also if a CAG sees a person with 10+ major trades already going on at the moment they probably would want to wait until they are completed before going on.

I don't know if this idea has already been mention, been rejected, or just impossible to do but its my suggestion.[/QUOTE]


These are both really good ideas. Although the itrader thing sounds good , others have mentioned something to that nature in the past and I think it's simply not part of or can be added to the itrader system. The only way something like that could be done would be to have a section in the trade forum for that and I think that it could get sloppy.

I do like the idea about posting current trades in the users tradelist itself. I keep track of active trades in a notepad file like many others do , but I might start doing that as well.
 
[quote name='StarKnightX']These are both really good ideas. Although the itrader thing sounds good , others have mentioned something to that nature in the past and I think it's simply not part of or can be added to the itrader system. The only way something like that could be done would be to have a section in the trade forum for that and I think that it could get sloppy.

I do like the idea about posting current trades in the users tradelist itself. I keep track of active trades in a notepad file like many others do , but I might start doing that as well.[/quote]

It may not beable to be added it the iTrader system. But a new system like the iTrader could be made where you can submit pending trades (give the details of the trade, when you shipped, when the trades complete, stuff like that). There could even be a little button like the CML one under the avatars.
 
The issues with trades going on being in the public eye, I think that's something Cheapy's working on for CAG 2.0, at least in what he's talked to myself and the other mods about.
 
[quote name='shrike4242']The issues with trades going on being in the public eye, I think that's something Cheapy's working on for CAG 2.0, at least in what he's talked to myself and the other mods about.[/QUOTE]
It sounds like CAG 2.0 is going to be insane!
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Wow I jsut decided to start on the CAG forums and surf around and maybe put some things up for trade. I doubt I'll ever be taken seriously for trades after this.

:hot: makes it difficult for newcomers like me to establish themselves.
 
[quote name='Clrondefiler']Wow I jsut decided to start on the CAG forums and surf around and maybe put some things up for trade. I doubt I'll ever be taken seriously for trades after this.

:hot: makes it difficult for newcomers like me to establish themselves.[/quote]

Like its been mentioned before, your best bet would be to trade for a while with the more established traders so you can build up your feedback and be safe about it. Unfortunately, there are no guarantees with anything
 
I don't much at all here because i don't buy many games as it is and also because i actually like ebay (only as a buyer).
But when i do trade here i would not trade anything over the value of 60$ (a game or two) to anyone at a single time unless he had ridiculous FB and very established.
Sending hundreds worth of stuff is scary :hot:.
 
Reminds me of my first trade. I was SO STUPID. I sent about $300 in stuff to a guy with 3 feedback. Glad that went OK. (But, I do look back on it, and realize he made out like a bandit, but oh well.)
 
[quote name='magiic']I know as a result of this I am no longer cross shipping to anyone with less than 40 feedback[/quote]


i understand people in your postion have the right to do that, but i started here a few months ago, and I know I am trustworthy. Im worried about people screwing me over too, but everytime I ship something when I recieve paypal, etc I always give the guy who bought something from me a tracking #, so It covers him and me. (i also do look at feedback depending on what it is)
 
[quote name='orbit18']i understand people in your postion have the right to do that, but i started here a few months ago, and I know I am trustworthy. Im worried about people screwing me over too, but everytime I ship something when I recieve paypal, etc I always give the guy who bought something from me a tracking #, so It covers him and me. (i also do look at feedback depending on what it is)[/quote]

That's fine that you do that, but you got to understand that some scammers will build up a good feedback list and then all of a sudden have 10 pending trades for some expensive thing and then try to blame it on a imaginary convict relative that ran to Cali. Just try to do as much research as you can before trading with anyone. What Im doing now is offering to send return tags to people I trade with, basically paying for their shipping and have them ship first and if they dont like it then I can live without the trade. Unlike the scammers I put my real info on here and I'm not hard to find on the internet or any other means of search. Basically what I'm saying is be careful who you trade with.
 
Another thing to look for besides iTrader is feedback on other sites. I only have a few feedbacks here on CAG, but I have over 60 successful trades on Goozex, and over 50 on eBay.
 
[quote name='ShadowMasterX']Another thing to look for besides iTrader is feedback on other sites. I only have a few feedbacks here on CAG, but I have over 60 successful trades on Goozex, and over 50 on eBay.[/quote]

Unless you use the same username, that really doesn't mean anything. Sure its nice to have, but anybody could pick an ebay username and say its them.
 
[quote name='mike.m']Unless you use the same username, that really doesn't mean anything. Sure its nice to have, but anybody could pick an ebay username and say its them.[/quote]

That's why you Message the person on eBay to make sure it's the same person. ;)
 
his myspace page is empty. no friends no pics. You can send him a message through there though.

Ive been hunting :) Still has seria vista as his address.

what were the other names and address. It wouldn't hurt to send the police to these address as well since they were also in on the scam. They helped him recieve stolen goods.
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']That's why you Message the person on eBay to make sure it's the same person. ;)[/quote]
Exactly what I was going to say. Though, I don't run into the problem on Goozex. Plus, how could I have my Goozex sig as a referral link unless it was mine, eh?
 
[quote name='orbit18']i understand people in your postion have the right to do that, but i started here a few months ago, and I know I am trustworthy. Im worried about people screwing me over too, but everytime I ship something when I recieve paypal, etc I always give the guy who bought something from me a tracking #, so It covers him and me. (i also do look at feedback depending on what it is)[/quote]

I would have no issues dealing with you, however you would have to ship first. The other issue I personally have is I live in Canada, as such I have no DC crossborder or domestically so everything works on honor.
 
Wow.

I just came across this thread today. What kind of sack of s*** does this fuck ing crap. These people are the lowest scum and filth on the planet. I am a registered PowerSeller on ebay and I know the feeling of being scammed. My first ever transaction as a seller a few years ago ended up as a scam. I lost a 300.00 camera to some dude in Nigeria, which I should have realized this. This dude preyed on the newbies.

These people make me sick. These people need to fuck ing get a real life. I see sacks of s*** come into my work all the time with stolen video games to get for cash. Is it really worth stealing games just to get 30.00 in cash? I can PROUDLY say that I have added over 2/3 of all the names to my stores banned list. It is like some sick fetish I have...adding scum to the banned trade list. I love the confrontations when I tell them that I cannot take their trades in EVER again. The look on their face is priceless...

What ever the outcome for this is, I just hope this does not discourage trading here. I love this site and have been a proud member for almost a year. It would be a shame to see something like this end transactions with all the HONEST people out there. I hope all the CAG's who traded with this flith can get their stuff back. As a RPG fan, I really feel for Mana who lost all that.

I hope if its this guy (or his supposed ex-roommate) get busted and go to jail. Fraud is no laughing matter and is a serious crime. He'll pay.

All the cool things I see and read on this site and then this comes along.

Simply disgusting.
 
[quote name='ShadowMasterX']Plus, how could I have my Goozex sig as a referral link unless it was mine, eh?[/quote]

Hi, I have good feedback, some of you may already know me as Bizarro13 on Goozex :) j/k

See my Goozex sig!
 
[quote name='captmurphy']This simple problem can be bypassed by only dealing with those above a certain iTrader threshold, period. Magiic suggested 40, and I think that is a decent number. Until you get to the point where you have that many, only deal with established CAGs.[/quote]

I personally just started trading/selling and pay close attention to who I trade with. Lower feedback shipping first is a good general rule. When you are a new trader you should stick to smaller trades as well as trying to trade with established traders. Keeping the value of the trade down helps eliminate your risk. As far as shipping on trades if itrader is close I will ship same time. Less than 5 noob ships 1st or no deal. Also I can't remember who but someone has a rule for trades in their thread where if you have less than half their feedback you ship 1st. I like this as well for those with alot of feedback. This person has close to 100 feedback, btw.

After writing this post I was wondering should we have a separate thread for just itrader thoughts and ideas on the system and guidelines?
 
[quote name='shrike4242']People should check the OP and contact the PD phone # listed in the OP.[/QUOTE]We did, and they tell us we are not suppose to call them because we don't live in the area. :roll: Kind of makes me upset too.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']We did, and they tell us we are not suppose to call them because we don't live in the area. :roll: Kind of makes me upset too.[/quote]

Thats because your local PD has to take the report, but because its not something they'll prosecute, they won't do anything pretty much.
 
[quote name='magiic']I would have no issues dealing with you, however you would have to ship first. The other issue I personally have is I live in Canada, as such I have no DC crossborder or domestically so everything works on honor.[/quote]


yeh, see thats the thing, I don't ship first, thats why I try to give people tracking #'s. Im in texas also.

I mean its not like we are gunna trade right now, but I have 15 feedback on ebay 100% but, people still won't trust me. I've lost out on some pretty good offers thru pm's because people wanted me to ship first. I've always just done it the way of a store, pay first then ship out. Just like amazon and every other place :p.
 
[quote name='orbit18']yeh, see thats the thing, I don't ship first, thats why I try to give people tracking #'s. Im in texas also.

I mean its not like we are gunna trade right now, but I have 15 feedback on ebay 100% but, people still won't trust me. I've lost out on some pretty good offers thru pm's because people wanted me to ship first. I've always just done it the way of a store, pay first then ship out. Just like amazon and every other place :p.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, thats how I feel if someone wants to purchase something(not trade).
 
[quote name='jza1218']Yeah, thats how I feel if someone wants to purchase something(not trade).[/quote]


yeh mostly I sell stuff here, i try to trade, but I think im getting out of gaming alot :(

I am getting gta4 tho :D
 
I am usually all for paying first on stuff I buy. But I just got burned doing that and now I definately will not be paying first under a certain feedback number.
 
[quote name='magiic']I am usually all for paying first on stuff I buy. But I just got burned doing that and now I definately will not be paying first under a certain feedback number.[/QUOTE]I saw that happened and very sorry to hear that. I seriously wonder what's been going on with all these scams as of late.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']I saw that happened and very sorry to hear that. I seriously wonder what's been going on with all these scams as of late.[/quote]


Compared to the number of trades that go on here, its statistically not that high a number. You just don't see threads for each awesome trade ;)
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']Compared to the number of trades that go on here, its statistically not that high a number. You just don't see threads for each awesome trade ;)[/quote]

Good spin. It remids me of airplanes: if one crashes and maybe 100 people die, everyone around the world gets scared that airplanes aren't safe, when it was one plane out of probably thousands that day.

Still, sad.
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']Compared to the number of trades that go on here, its statistically not that high a number. You just don't see threads for each awesome trade ;)[/QUOTE]I'm not really talking about just here, but at a few other places (like GameTZ), seems to have gone up a bit as of recent. Still really low, but just noticed.
 
Ya I'm definitely not saying to stop trading or anything. But I really am going to have a hard time being trusting and either paying up front or cross shipping unless the person has high feedback. I have further updated my TL in that I won't be paying first to anyone under a certain number of feedback
 
This is why I am afraid to do any deals at all. It's pretty sad I have to be that way too.
 
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