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corrosivefrost
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I'm pretty sure that EA doesn't have that much influence over Sony's used market strategy. And EA is the only company who said they were doing away with online passes, to my knowledge. First party Sony games are still going to have them *cough*The Last of Us*cough* I'm sure. I think what EA is doing is a PR move. Capcom hasn't used online passes. Netherrealm had them for Injustice, right? So yeah. Online passes are not necessarily gone for good, just gone from EA games. After that SimCity DRM 
up, it's no wonder they're doing everything they can to try to regain favor.
The only way Sony could really up beyond what seems to be standard fare already (no carrying forward PSN games, no BC) would be to adopt the XBL model of pay to play online. That would be the biggest up they could make, if they don't really change the way selling/trading games works from PS3 -> PS4.
up, it's no wonder they're doing everything they can to try to regain favor.The only way Sony could really
up beyond what seems to be standard fare already (no carrying forward PSN games, no BC) would be to adopt the XBL model of pay to play online. That would be the biggest up they could make, if they don't really change the way selling/trading games works from PS3 -> PS4.Sony can push back, as could MS. But its hard if they're saying "Let us do this or we won't put Madden/CoD on your platform" as those games sell far more consoles than even the first party exclusives do as they're so mainstream.
My backlog and 3DS can keep me busy for a year or two I'd guess. After that it would be hard to not pick up a next gen system.
But honestly, if I can wait a year or two and just be behind the curve I can just buy games once most are $20-30 or less and at those prices I don't really give a crap about not being able to sell them. For those prices, it's worth paying just to experience the game once. Hell, an Imax 3D movie ticket here is $18.50, and even the cheapest 2D matinee at the theater I go to is $9.50, an that's just for a couple hours of entertainment. So even an 8 hour game is a decent entertainment value for $20 or whatever.
But very, very few games would be worth $60 to me if I couldn't resell them for a decent price to recoup some of that.
We'll have to see. Again it's a lot of sway if they threatened to hold back Madden etc.I'm pretty sure that EA doesn't have that much influence over Sony's used market strategy. And EA is the only company who said they were doing away with online passes, to my knowledge. First party Sony games are still going to have them *cough*The Last of Us*cough* I'm sure. I think what EA is doing is a PR move. Capcom hasn't used online passes. Netherrealm had them for Injustice, right? So yeah. Online passes are not necessarily gone for good, just gone from EA games. After that SimCity DRM
The only way Sony could really
I doubt Sony will go pay to play. I figure they'll just beef up PS+ and offer better servers, faster downloads etc. to get more people to sign up.
Whatever the case, they've got to do something about the shit ass download speeds on PSN be it fix it for everyone or better speeds for + members or whatever. Too many times I've had an hour to play and want to start a new game and end up wasting 20-30 minutes waiting on game updates to download as they are for whatever reason huge files compared to 360 game updates and PSN is so much slower for downloading than Live.
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Nope, no online pass for Injustice. And I still really don't think that the PS4 will have the same DRM as Xbone. If it does then I'm going with Josh's plan.
Well SMT:4 is coming out soon on 3DS, but it's already out in Japan, so not sure if there's anything to announce for that.
It's supposed to be "scary" so Persona....no probably not. Maybe Catherine 2.
I'm still going to call you Ibizzlewizzle, SinofHeart!
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I would like Catherine 2.
So how long can these long-ass quoter things can we go, exactly????
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Even ignoring the online pass thing, simple logic would suggest that if Sony wasn't doing this they'd already have came out and said so to throw further gas on MS while they're taking all this heat.
Seems much more likely that they're just hoping the worst of the outrage blows over by the time they announce their details since MS let the cat out of the bag first.
I hope I'm wrong on that. I'd probably buy a PS4 day one just to support Sony if they did stand up to publishers and stick with game discs that can be openly traded/sold just like now. But I'd be shocked if that happened.
This probably won't end welll.......
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I seriously doubt that EA is just going to neglect whatever % of the market has decided to go with a PS4. There's a reason that companies like Square-Enix, Konami, Capcom, etc. have decided to make their games multiplatform now. If they can easily port the code and make it run well on another system, the production cost is low and the ROI is pretty high potentially. This is why we're seeing late ports of console games to PC as well as now release day and date on PC with the HD Twins. Only in RARE cases has a company compensated someone enough to gain exclusivity from a third party franchise (*cough*Monster Hunter*cough*). Microsoft does it with DLC packs, such as CoD and Skyrim, but beyond that most games are being ported to platforms to get cash in (even with the WiiU initially... Batman Arkham City, Deus Ex HR, Injustice, BLOPS2, etc.). There's a potential that some people only have a WiiU or for some unknown reason would prefer to own them on that system... cheap ports to new markets probably pay for themselves or turn a profit.We'll have to see. Again it's a lot of sway if they threatened to hold back Madden etc.I'm pretty sure that EA doesn't have that much influence over Sony's used market strategy. And EA is the only company who said they were doing away with online passes, to my knowledge. First party Sony games are still going to have them *cough*The Last of Us*cough* I'm sure. I think what EA is doing is a PR move. Capcom hasn't used online passes. Netherrealm had them for Injustice, right? So yeah. Online passes are not necessarily gone for good, just gone from EA games. After that SimCity DRM
The only way Sony could really
I doubt Sony will go pay to play. I figure they'll just beef up PS+ and offer better servers, faster downloads etc. to get more people to sign up.
Whatever the case, they've got to do something about the shit ass download speeds on PSN be it fix it for everyone or better speeds for + members or whatever. Too many times I've had an hour to play and want to start a new game and end up wasting 20-30 minutes waiting on game updates to download as they are for whatever reason huge files compared to 360 game updates and PSN is so much slower for downloading than Live.
The only thing EA did that seems to go against this was the creation of Origin -- but in that case,being the exclusive place to get PC games published by EA, they force people into using it and probably can turn a profit there too (without Steam, etc.).
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Coming on the next all new season of 24: Jack Bauer is revealed to be another Son of Big Boss.Anybody ever play the 24 game released last gen? I got it on PS2, still sealed. Kiefer Sutherland is my new hero (and
All true, but who knows? They may think they can make more money selling on one platform where they don't lose any sales to used games, lending, rentals etc.
In any case, I stand by my stance. I'll be
ing flabbergasted if Sony doesn't have some similar type of "up to the publisher" DRM set up.If they have no DRM and just aren't saying so then they are absolutely incompetent from a PR standpoint as they could come out with that right now and kill ANY chance MS has of having anything positive come out of E3. No one but Xbox diehard fanboys would give two shits about what MS was showing at E3 if Sony came out right now and said there's no DRM, online checks etc. on the PS4.
That they're so mum tells me pretty clearly that they have the same (or very similar) plans, and are just happily letting MS take the initial shit storm from it, and hoping people have calmed down by E3 when they just say "ditto."
Again, I hope I'm wrong. If the PS4 has none of this stuff, and costs $400 or less I'll preorder to support them--and trade in/sell my 360 to put toward it.
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Anybody ever play the 24 game released last gen? I got it on PS2, still sealed. Kiefer Sutherland is my new hero (and
So you're a Hayter Hater.
Hayters got a Hayte.
Hate.
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Sony has already said (1) an internet connection is not required and (2) DRM on PSN has always been up to the publisher. This is why Capcom got away with putting that bullshit DRM in Final Fight/Magic Sword and Bionic Commando Rearmed 2. Sony hasn't let a lot of details out of the bag, but at this point, they don't need to. Let the media focus negatively on MS for what's going on and then when they com on the stage at e3, they can just put up a single powerpoint slide that says:All true, but who knows? They may think they can make more money selling on one platform where they don't lose any sales to used games, lending, rentals etc.
In any case, I stand by my stance. I'll be
If they have no DRM and just aren't saying so then they are absolutely incompetent from a PR standpoint as they could come out with that right now and kill ANY chance MS has of having anything positive come out of E3. No one but Xbox diehard fanboys would give two shits about what MS was showing at E3 if Sony came out right now and said there's no DRM, online checks etc. on the PS4.
That they're so mum tells me pretty clearly that they have the same (or very similar) plans, and are just happily letting MS take the initial shit storm from it, and hoping people have calmed down by E3 when they just say "ditto."
No Internet Connection required
Buy/sell physical games as you wish (online passes may still be required)
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$299.99
Then drop the mic and walk offstage.
(Yes, Hank, I know. They should just "pull a Saturn" or whatever you were talking about the other night on Skype.
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Sony has already said (1) an internet connection is not required and (2) DRM on PSN has always been up to the publisher. This is why Capcom got away with putting that bullshit DRM in Final Fight/Magic Sword and Bionic Commando Rearmed 2. Sony hasn't let a lot of details out of the bag, but at this point, they don't need to. Let the media focus negatively on MS for what's going on and then when they com on the stage at e3, they can just put up a single powerpoint slide that says:
No Internet Connection required
Buy/sell physical games as you wish (online passes may still be required)
10/28/2013
$299.99
Then drop the mic and walk offstage.
(Yes, Hank, I know. They should just "pull a Saturn" or whatever you were talking about the other night on Skype.
If you look at the Sony quote, they just said the console would work without every going online. That's pretty dodgy, and doesn't rule out that some publishers games may not work if you don't go online to keep them activated since they said DRM, used games etc. was up to the publishers.
Like I said, I hope you're right and I'd preorder right away (even at $400) if so even if there's nothing at launch I really want to play just to support them.
But I really don't see that happening. Best case scenario is no online registration at all for first party games, and third party stuff totally up to publishers. And I figure that's how MS will do it to--there release did say about the gifting that they'll allow it for the games they publish and all third party publishers can choose whether or not to use it. So I'd guess both will be more open with their exclusives since that's what helps move consoles.
As I've said a bunch, I'll just be staggered if the DRM crap doesn't end up pretty similar on both. I can't see big publishers being ok not having control over their games on one platform when they do on the other. So either both will have it, or a few big publishers will take the gambit that people want to play CoD, Madden or whatever enough that they'll buy the Xbone if that's the only place it is. Like you said, I can't really see that happen, so my money is on publishers having the ability to restrict used games sales on both consoles if they so choose.
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yeah, Xbone.
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Never.
Microsoft has got to have a killer game lineup in store for next week. Why else would they play this "bad cop/bad news" role if they don't have good news coming? Either we're all going to be blown away, or it will be nothing but TV talk at E3.
Frosty as much as I'd love to believe in Sony having a "Drop the Mic" showing, I have a funny feeling they're going to underwhelm as they've managed to do just about every damn time.
Frosty as much as I'd love to believe in Sony having a "Drop the Mic" showing, I have a funny feeling they're going to underwhelm as they've managed to do just about every damn time.
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Uh, that's EXACTLY how it is now. At least on PS3. And when PSN went down for 6 weeks because of the hack? People couldn't play some of their Capcom games. Sony has always left the DRM for third parties in the hands of the 3rd party.Sony has already said (1) an internet connection is not required and (2) DRM on PSN has always been up to the publisher. This is why Capcom got away with putting that bullshit DRM in Final Fight/Magic Sword and Bionic Commando Rearmed 2. Sony hasn't let a lot of details out of the bag, but at this point, they don't need to. Let the media focus negatively on MS for what's going on and then when they com on the stage at e3, they can just put up a single powerpoint slide that says:
No Internet Connection required
Buy/sell physical games as you wish (online passes may still be required)
10/28/2013
$299.99
Then drop the mic and walk offstage.
(Yes, Hank, I know. They should just "pull a Saturn" or whatever you were talking about the other night on Skype.
But I really don't see that happening. Best case scenario is no online registration at all for first party games, and third party stuff totally up to publishers. And I figure that's how MS will do it to--there release did say about the gifting that they'll allow it for the games they publish and all third party publishers can choose whether or not to use it. So I'd guess both will be more open with their exclusives since that's what helps move consoles.
What's known is the following:
Sony says you don't need an internet connection to use the PS4. Ever.
Sony says Third Party used game DRM is up to the publisher.
Could statement 2 lead to something like XBone DRM? Possibly, but I think it's highly unlikely.
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Did I miss the Skype session? I thought it would have been a little later
As for the Xbone thing. Yeah, MS is going to have a ton of games next week. Get ready for Kameo 2.
As for the Xbone thing. Yeah, MS is going to have a ton of games next week. Get ready for Kameo 2.
I don't think we're disagreeing that much. If it's left up to the publisher, then some games won't work if they can't go online. And you can be sure that the publishers who block their games that way on Xbone will do the same on PS4 if they have the option. And you have to figure they will if Sony has always left it up to them. They need CoD, Madden etc. on their console, and it's the publishers who will take the heat if they're the ones deciding to require online checks etc.
Same with the used game stuff. If Sony is leaving that stuff above up to the publishers, no reason to not give the publishers control of the used game stuff too as they'll take the flack for it.
But time will tell of course. I just find it hard to believe that Sony hasn't pounced all over this already if they're not doing/allowing the same or very similar things to happen. They could steal all of MS's thunder and get all the positive publicity going into E3 and make most people not even care about paying attention to MS's conference..
But again, I truly hope you're right and I'm wrong on this. I don't have any more faith in Sony that I do in MS. Both are big, evil corporations. And frankly I wouldn't mind seeing them both
this up and fall flat on their faces. The game industry could use another crash to shake things up--and if no improvement came it would be a good time for me to finally stop talking about jumping ship and do it and make all of you happy.
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A killer game lineup of Kinect originals, by all accounts -- several sources, including the Dorito Pope have mused that the majority of the "original/new IPs" are all likely to be Kinect titles. That leaves 7 games from established franchises:Microsoft has got to have a killer game lineup in store for next week. Why else would they play this "bad cop/bad news" role if they don't have good news coming? Either we're all going to be blown away, or it will be nothing but TV talk at E3.
Frosty as much as I'd love to believe in Sony having a "Drop the Mic" showing, I have a funny feeling they're going to underwhelm as they've managed to do just about every damn time.
Forza
Fable
Halo
Gears
Ryse
*Rare IP* (Perfect Dark again? Banjo?)
Any way you slice it, I'm still not impressed. They'd need to come with Killer Instict 3 to get me to blink and even then -- if WiiU can't sway me with some of what it has going for it, there's no way a console with limited exclusives that I don't care about, pay to play online, ridiculous DRM, internet connection required, always on kinect, and a bunch of TV based features (that are currently underperforming and not up to the fake standard their conference set forth) is going to get me to line up and "jump in" with anything on that possible list up there.
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After reading all this new console stuff being said, I'm with Frosty 100%.
The only game in that lineup I could be at all excited about would be Fable and after Fable 3 I don't even want to think about 4. Plus, I know it'll be on PC eventually. The only things that could make me want an Xbone at all would be Crackdown 3 or Dead Rising 3 (if it was exclusive). Given that DR3 would likely not be an exclusive, I'd probably not be getting one for a long, looooong time.
The only game in that lineup I could be at all excited about would be Fable and after Fable 3 I don't even want to think about 4. Plus, I know it'll be on PC eventually. The only things that could make me want an Xbone at all would be Crackdown 3 or Dead Rising 3 (if it was exclusive). Given that DR3 would likely not be an exclusive, I'd probably not be getting one for a long, looooong time.
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I hope I'm right too. I'd like to think Sony isn't as incompetent as I believe they are at times.I don't think we're disagreeing that much. If it's left up to the publisher, then some games won't work if they can't go online. And you can be sure that the publishers who block their games that way on Xbone will do the same on PS4 if they have the option. And you have to figure they will if Sony has always left it up to them. They need CoD, Madden etc. on their console, and it's the publishers who will take the heat if they're the ones deciding to require online checks etc.
Same with the used game stuff. If Sony is leaving that stuff above up to the publishers, no reason to not give the publishers control of the used game stuff too as they'll take the flack for it.
But time will tell of course. I just find it hard to believe that Sony hasn't pounced all over this already if they're not doing/allowing the same or very similar things to happen. They could steal all of MS's thunder and get all the positive publicity going into E3 and make most people not even care about paying attention to MS's conference..
But again, I truly hope you're right and I'm wrong on this. I don't have any more faith in Sony that I do in MS. Both are big, evil corporations. And frankly I wouldn't mind seeing them both
With that said, where I see the crux of the issue is here: Xbone is essentially moving to the PC-DRM model, with one significant difference from PC gaming --> while both require you to install and have a license, Xbone will never tell you what your license key is. And that's where the difference comes in. Because they want to prevent you from doing as you can with physical media PC games (if you are honest and sell your game and your license key and remove the installs from your computer, you can sell a PC game... backup copy will do you no good without pirating a crack or another serial/keygen) it's probably very likely Xbone games will never say "here's a serial key for your media, remove this from your account when you sell it or it won't work for someone".
Now the question for Sony is this: Is Sony going to be Sony (and thus more like Nintendo) or Microsoft this generation. Microsoft was the first console with an online service while Nintendo still can't figure out how to tie purchases to an account. Microsoft is making an entertainment box that plays games and is essentially a HTPC with gaming capability. Nintendo made a video game console and doesn't understand how to make easy to use online -- it took them an entire generation to embrace HD. Sony is usually behind the curve in terms of leading the way these days -- for the sake of Sony's success and the sake of console gaming, we can only hope that they decided to make a console that's essentially a PC instead of a PC that acts like a console. :lol:
Yup. There's a new HD remake of the original Fable coming to 360 in the Fall with achievements. It will probably eventually be on Steam.
I agree, Dead Rising 3 is not likely to be console exclusive -- Microsoft would have to think it's the key to moving consoles (and I don't think it is, really... it's kind of a niche game that polarizes people). Even with games that would make MS consoles king of everything (exclusive CoD would do it -- if Xbone was the only place to get CoD: Ghosts... but Activision will not shun the PC and PS4/PS3/360 revenue no matter what MS is offering... they'll just say "well, you can get the map packs 6 weeks earlier on XBL consoles"). The only third party game that immediately comes to mind as being "console exclusive" is Monster Hunter at the moment. And in the US? Most people don't give a
.There was no Skype yet. I have no idea what happened to Josh.
The sad thing is they don't even need to give the keys. It could be a fully online system that could work something like this.
1. Buy game, log in and activate it to tie it to your account. Game won't work if you don't do this. No need for daily check ins. It should just keep working after installed and tied to your account.
2. Let users log in and deactivate games. Which will uninstall them (but keep games saves etc.) and free up the game to be be sold/traded/gave to someone else. Be it passing on the install disc, or digitally transferring the license. That person can then install it and log on and link it to their account.
That's how digital content should work--be it games, movies, ebooks or whatever. It limits it to one person/account at a time just like a disc or paper book etc., and also lets the person sell it if they so choose--while ensuring they no longer have access to it (just like if they sold a game disc, bluray or paper book they didn't make/keep any copies of).
Hopefully the courts will eventually apply first sale doctrine to digital goods (I know the European Union did recently) and we'll get digital systems like the above.
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