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the hell? Just got a friend invite from LCW on myspace..

If you missed this past Wednesday's episode of LCW Showdown, you missed the final stop on the road to Endgame this Sunday. On this week's LCW Showdown, former LCW Chairman of the Board Christian Calaway met with Paul Heyman, Eric Bischoff, and others as he considered who to name as his replacement as the new LCW Chairman of the Board. Also, Stone Cold Steve Austin wrestled in a handicap match against Sheamus O'Shaunessy and The Genius Lanny Poffo only four days before the LCW Endgame pay-per-view when he will defend his title against Randy Savage this Sunday.

For the complete results, click here or visit LCWShowdown.com.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']It's the same reason you called out Joe for speaking about TNA because of how Joe didn't like how he is being used.

Rave didn't feel he was being used right, and then on the first night of a double shot show, after a match Rave went to RoH management and immediately demanded his release that very night even though he had obligations for the show the very next day. After trying to work things out with him, RoH just decided to let him go and released him from his contract. I know because I was there on the second night when Rave was supposed to show up and RoH had to make an excuse for Rave that he was injured.

Besides, how can you rant on how Joe doesn't deserve a damn thing, but when Rave pulls essentially the same stunt, you say that you don't care what happened with him.[/quote]

Simple. What Joe said was televised.

If I spit on your face and walked away, would you say, "Hey at least he is a hard worker." That's the same principle in effect. You're free to disagree, but that's how Rave came across to me.

And for the record, although I personally thought Rave was all right in the ring, and he had a definite presence to him, a lot of people thought he was a worthless without The Embassy and Alex Shelly. He sorta started getting face pops when he came back from the broken jaw, but when he got steam rolled by Morishima, I think that was about the time he had enough.
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Ring of Honor is not me or you. It's a company. I may dislike a company (TNA), but I will not find myself personally identifying with a company. Nor will I speculate on what led to Rave's walkout. When Steve Corino no-showed Dayton, I didn't feel like he spit in my face. I was let down that ROH put Jimmy Jacobs in there to do such a thing. Bait and switch is one thing. This was different, because they didn't anticipate it. Likewise with Rave.

And always assuming someone doesn't have a legitimate reason to leave a company is wrong, IMO.

That's a poor stance to take Myke because you can put that logic to any of the backstage stuff we talk about.

Who are you talk about talk any crap about Tammy Sytch? Why is it your business what she does? How does it impact the _______ product as you see it (not her life, but the process by which she lived it)?

I mean I can turn it around and offer you the same thing and you can try rationalizing it any which way, but the fact is, you do it too.
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So walking out of a company is akin to being a perpetual drug addict?

And I do follow the dirt sheets - but I try, and don't always succeed, in avoiding forming negative opinions of wrestlers based upon that alone. I don't hate Triple H for all the backstage gossip about him "backstabbing" Jericho - I hate Triple H more for making Booker T look like a jobber at his WMXVIII match finish. I hate Triple H for his promos, for his continued feud with Scott Steiner after shitting up the Royal Rumble (and the notable end of the Angle/Benoit feud, despite the fuckin AMAZING match they had at the same show). I hate Triple H for DX and droppin' turds all over WWE; for making himself huge and getting himself over at the expense of making new stars. All that happened on air.

It's akin to the Benoit thing in the sense that after it happened, were people willing to look at Chris Benoit the person and Chris Benoit the wrestler in two different lights. I am and as such, I think Jimmy Rave is an okay wrestler but an absolute bitch of a person.
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What do you know about the reasons for Rave leaving that lead you to this conclusion, or is it the mere fact of him leaving before fulfilling obligations that make you feel this way?

Hero is love him or hate him. He is being pushed as the top heel in RoH right now and although I am behind Nigel as the champ all the way, I appreciate what Hero brings to the table as it's a bit of a break from the Fighting Spirit puro style people associate RoH with so much.
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The problem is that there are several different kinds of "hate." I don't "hate" Hero, but I dislike him enough that I don't want to pay $25 if he's in the main event at an ROH show.

Didn't watch it.
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Dude made Gillberg looks like Goldberg. In other words, he was built like Chris Hero.
 
[quote name='Foo228']the hell? Just got a friend invite from LCW on myspace..

If you missed this past Wednesday's episode of LCW Showdown, you missed the final stop on the road to Endgame this Sunday. On this week's LCW Showdown, former LCW Chairman of the Board Christian Calaway met with Paul Heyman, Eric Bischoff, and others as he considered who to name as his replacement as the new LCW Chairman of the Board. Also, Stone Cold Steve Austin wrestled in a handicap match against Sheamus O'Shaunessy and The Genius Lanny Poffo only four days before the LCW Endgame pay-per-view when he will defend his title against Randy Savage this Sunday.

For the complete results, click here or visit LCWShowdown.com.[/quote]

That's a fantasy fed.
 
Well, I just managed to ruin the surprise of my Christmas present

Today, we got our tickets for Bash At The Ballpark in (http://www.ballparkbash.com/), and since my Dad buys shit without telling my Mom I called him to find out if I needed to stash them or not.

Here's the conversation we had (me being :), Dad being :whistle2:?)

:): Hey, Dad.
:whistle2:?: Hey, Charlie. What's up?
:): Does Mom know about the wrestling tickets you bought?
:whistle2:?: What?
:): The wrestling tickets. They showed up today.
:whistle2:?: How did you know about them?
:): You told me about it. Remember you called me asking why they sent you a Paypal reciept when you paid with your credit card.
:whistle2:?: Oh yeah. Whoops, you weren't suppose to know about that, that is your big Christmas gift.
:): Oh really that's coo
:whistle2:?: Hey, at least you finally get to go to Wrestlemania
:): :whistle2:s Wrestlemania?!? What are you talking about?
:whistle2:?: What are you talking about?
:): The Blue Duck wrestling tickets
:whistle2:?: Oh shit *laughs* I knew I didn't tell you about the Wrestlemania tickets.

So, it looks like I'm going to Wrestlemania. Now I just need to score some Ring Of Honor tickets :D
 
[quote name='Sporadic']
So, it looks like I'm going to Wrestlemania. Now I just need to score some Ring Of Honor tickets :D[/quote]

See you there punk ;)
 
I'll download the torrent after SD. Here's a fantastic quick piece of writing by Meltzer in today's WO site update about last night's Impact -
--Regarding last night's show, I thought some of it was funny , but doing the broken glass and thumb tack spots on a comedy show and the bumps A.J. Styles and Abyss in a context when such things couldn't get over made me feel bad for the talent. Plus, it's getting real old to see TNA produce these shows that do nothing to make TV viewers become customers and make nobody a superstar. I lived through this mentality in 1999 and 2000, and to see people embrace the philosophy that killed WCW is mind-blowing. It's the equivalent of somebody deciding to start a new football league, and instead of learning from what has and hasn't worked that the NFL has done over the years, just copying everything the XFL did and obliviously whistling dixie when ticket sales are poor to your events and 98% of your viewers don't buy your PPVs.
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[quote name='Sporadic']So, it looks like I'm going to Wrestlemania. Now I just need to score some Ring Of Honor tickets :D[/quote]
You know I was going to follow up on that. ;)

RoH has 25% off all live events so if you're going to go, now is as good as any a time to pick up tickets.

Ring of Honor 6th Row Reserved- 3/28/08 - $18.75 - http://www.rohwrestling.com/shoponline.asp?point=moreinfo&catid=163&id=2456

Ring of Honor 5th Row Reserved- 3/29/08 - $18.75 - http://www.rohwrestling.com/shoponline.asp?point=moreinfo&catid=163&id=2457

These are pretty much the best seats they've got left so get them while they're hot.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']
RoH has 25% off all live events so if you're going to go, now is as good as any a time to pick up tickets.[/QUOTE]

How long is that promotion going on for?

If it's going on until tomorrow, I'll have to grab 2 GA tickets to both shows.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']How long is that promotion going on for?

If it's going on until tomorrow, I'll have to grab 2 GA tickets to both shows.[/quote]

Offer is only available during the sale period which ends on Thursday, December 27th at 9am EST and is not good on any previously placed orders. This special is ONLY good on orders placed at www.rohwrestling.com.
 
I just finished watching last night's Impact.. as usual it was a mixed bag... I definitely didn't think it was horrible like a lot of you did. Sure, the skits were dumb and unnecessary... but the wrestling was mostly good. Also, Joe's promo was great.. it helped blur the lines of backstage and in-ring.. which is good I think.

Anyway.. in summary, good:
Joe
AJ vs. Kaz... friggin amazing...
Christian's face turn, I've been a really big Christian fan ever since he got to TNA and I definitely marked out for him going over angle.

Bad:
Pretty much everything else.
 
SD was a pretty good show, overall. The six man tag was surprisingly good, and went way longer than I thought it would. Finlay/Hornswoggle vs. Khali/Singh was hilarious, especially with Singh doing all of Khali's mannerisms. Both he and Khali rule.

The Santa match was simple, fun, and led to a bunch of great lines on commentary. TNA should take notes on it, because it got the holiday gimmick over, worked as comedy, made the fans happy, and got characters over. All without Christmas lights, ribbons, Santa toys, a party, a Bushwacker, Phi Delta Slam, a toy box, or a barb wire Christmas tree. Amazing.

The Noble-McCool date was funny, and both JBL and Flair cut awesome promos. The world title match was pretty decent, too. I didn't mind that "heel authority figure changes rules on the fly" thing being used on a TV match, that's better than paying for it, and it was set up a bit during the match when Tazz and Cole talked about if Batista could actually win the title by pinning either of the Edge heads. The Vickie-Edge vid was absurdly awesome, as well. From start to finish, I enjoyed this show - the two hours just flew by.
Quotes -
Cole - Vickie is being wheeled to the ring by her assistant, General Manager Long.
JBL - The Rated R-era is back upon us, Michael, and what an era it is!
JBL - The multiplicity advantage - OH COULD WE BE SO LUCKY HERE ON SMACKDOWN!
JBL - Looks like Bill and Hilary, what a power couple this is! …with Chelsea on the side.
JBL - What a great decision the Majors made - they were stuck in anonymity and now they’re in with the world champion!
Hawkins - My name is Kurt Hawkins. I enjoy rock music and long walks on the beach.
Rider - And I’m Zach Rider, I enjoy hiking with my family and cuddling with my girlfriend.
Edge - Well that’s super. I have one person I have to thank, she supported me through the pain and brought me back from the brink of retirement! (Stand By Me video plays with Edge and Vickie on a see-saw)
JBL - That was touching.
Edge - I’d also like to thank Batista for holding the belt for me while I was away - you don’t have to worry about carrying the show anymore, that’s my job.
Cole - I can’t believe you’re gonna break up the team!
JBL - That’s like saying Pavarotti and a second clarinet are on the same team.
Cole - Yeah, well I saw Batista earlier today and he’s determined AND ANGRY!
(on going to Raw)JBL - Raw’s about to get one Hell of a Christmas gift!
Cole - What does SmackDown get?
JBL - You’ll find out.
(Singh comes out and mimics Khali)Cole - Aren’t you going to miss this?
JBL - I’m going to take a big gulp and enjoy it.
(on Hornswoggle)JBL - He’s got that outdated Eddie Murphy goatee.
Cole - Come on, you’re gonna miss this.
JBL - I just got over the flu, I miss that. You miss things in different ways.
(on Khali)JBL - Lots of superlatives for adjectives. Big boot, big chop, what on this man isn’t big?
Cole - Nothing… I guess.
(Khali slams Finlay)JBL - BIG SLAM!
JBL - Finlay… with a giant swing!
JBL - The Graham Brothers, the Bushwackers… I don’t think we’ve seen anything like this.

JBL - I never thought, in 20 years, that I’d see Finlay dancing a jig with a leprechaun with a green derby on his head.
Cole - I WANT ONE, THROW IT OVER HERE!
Flair - Merry Christmas. I’m saying that because I mean it, and because it may be the last chance I have to say it in a WWE ring. I haven’t been on SmackDown in a while, I love the guys in the back, respect them, and want to thank them. I’ve spent 35 years trying to show everybody back there and out here that I was the very best in this business. That’s all I’ve ever cared to be was the best, and now, Vince McMahon has made it very clear to me and to all of you, that the next time I lose a match, my career will come to an end. It’s okay, it’s been a Hell of a ride, each and every night for 35 years. It’s been all I ever lived for and all I ever dreamed of. 10 days from now, I have to wrestle, on Raw, against a man that is the greatest wrestler alive today -HHH. I don’t have to say that, and I’m not saying it because he’s my friend or peer, I’m saying it because it’s fact - he’s the best in the game today. The irony of this is that I’ve told 100 people who’ve asked 1,000 times, if you had your last match, who would you want to wrestle, and I told them, the Game, Triple H. On a personal note, 5 years ago, I came back to the WWE and I wasn’t on top of my game, so the Game took me under his wing and told me THAT DO YOU REALIZE YOU’RE THE NATURE BOY! He never let me forget that I’ve gotta be Ric Flair, but the fact is, what makes him the best is that when we climb into the ring on Raw, he’ll bring everything he has to in order to beat me. There’s no sympathy in wrestling, there’s no sympathy for Ric Flair, and I don’t want it. I want HHH to bring out the best in me, because if I’m at my best, I’ll be very hard to beat. HHH, you’re my best friend, I love you like a brother - Monday night Raw, you and me, if I lose, I walk away to never be seen again. It’s okay, it’s okay, you know why, because I know I will have lost to the best. And if that happens, I will have no regrets. Thank you.
JBL - This could be the last time we’re seeing the Nature Boy on SmackDown. Every great champion has to bow out sometime, let’s hope he haven’t seen the end of Ric Flair.
(Maryse Christmas video airs)JBL - HO HO HO, THAT COULD BE THE NEXT MRS. LAYFIELD!
Cole - It’s fitting, or maybe ironic that Rey Mysterio is coming out there because he retired my partner, JBL. John, what are your thoughts on him as you leave SmackDown?
JBL - The same as they’ve always been - I don’t like the man underneath the mask, I don’t like what he stands for, and I hate his family!
Cole - Do you think Kane celebrates Christmas?
JBL - I don’t think Kane celebrates anything.
JBL - I would love to see Big Daddy V and Mark Henry against the Brothers of Destruction - WHAT A MATCHUP THAT COULD BE!
(MVP comes out)JBL - This is the guy I’m gonna miss, Michael!
JBL - He reminds me of me - he’s young, rich, good-looking, and has LOTS OF BLING! The human highlight reel, MVP.
Cole - Rey is dominating MVP, you should know about that.
JBL - Why do you keep bringing me up with Rey Mysterio?
Cole - Because you’re the color analyst. It’s your last night on the job…
JBL - Yeah, and I’m doing the same thing I did the first day on the job - did the best job in history as a color analyst.
Cole - Yup, still talking about yourself.
Henry - YOU LIKE TO KICK PEOPLE!? (Henry kicks Punk)
JBL - You think I give a damn about that redneck and his date? People care about me. I’m gonna knock your ass out of that chair.
McCool - I’d like a Carbonet…
Noble - What’s that run a fella?
Waiter - $10
Noble - $10!? DO I GET THE WHOLE BOTTLE!?
McCool - Just a glass.
Noble - A GLASS!? Well, the lady wants it… I’d like some Ripple.
Waiter - We don’t have that, sir.
McCool - You look nice, Jamie, did someone help you?
Noble - Granny helped me.
Waiter - Are you ready to order?
Noble - Yeah, we’d like to start off with some French Onion soup, some French fries, and we’ll finish it off with some French latte - VANILLA!
Waiter - These items I cannot get for you, we are an Italian restaurant.
Noble - Italians… you know, I beat Chuck Palumbo 3 times, he’s Italian.
McCool - That’s why I’m here (dream sequence bubble)
Noble - I hope I’m not being too forward, but I got you an early Christmas gift.
McCool - You really should’ve have… Old Spice… why?
Noble - So that when you’re lonely and wantin’ me, you can just spritz it on and think you’re with me!
Noble - You know, there’s a lot you don’t now about me - I like huntin‘… and fishin’!
Announcer - The following is a Santa match. From the other side of the tracks, SANTA DEUCE!
JBL - That’s the coolest Santa I’ve ever seen.
Announcer - Also, here is SANTA FESTUS!
Cole - Santa FESTUS!?
JBL - Ho, ho ho, it’s elf Cherry.
Cole - What’s Domino?
JBL - An elf.
Cole - This is the largest Santa in the history of mankind.
JBL - Speaking of Mankind, he was Santa one year. Ho ho ho
JBL - This Festus has “superstar” written all over him!
Cole - Can you imagine what Santa Festus would do on a roof?
JBL - Knock out Rudolph. Ho ho ho
Cole - Do you think Deuce dresses like this in the old neighborhood? He could be in the Salvation Army, ringing bells.
JBL - He kind of looks like he’s going to some sort of bondage convention. Dominating Santa.
JBL - These guys dressed like Santa are beating the Hell out of each other!
(Festus does a splash)JBL - Kinda looks like when Vader was a Santa.
JBL - SOMEBODY CALL MISS CLAUS AND TELL HER TO SING!
Announcer - Your winner, SANTA FESTUS!
JBL - Festus knows how to beat people up - I’m not sure if he knows much else, but he definitely knows that!
JBL - I’m about to announce the biggest comeback since the resurrection!
Cole - JBL’s farewell address is next!
JBL - Save your ticket stubs and mark this day on your calendar, because this is a day you’re going to tell your kids, and they’re going to tell their kids, because this is the last day that JBL is going to be on SmackDown. That’s the bad news. In the spirit of Foreman and Frazier, this’ll be the greatest comeback in sports, but it won’t be on SmackDown. Been there, done that. The longest-reigning champion in SmackDown history. THE REASON YOU PEOPLE CAME IS TO SEE ME. I MADE SMACKDOWN THE CROWN JEWEL OF THE WWE EMPIRE! THEY BUILT THE ENTIRE CW NETWORK AROUND ONE THING - the attraction of JBL, and when JBL comes back… (fans boo) and DO NOT INTERRUPT ME, it won’t be on the show I built, it’ll be on Monday Night Raw, and the reason, very simply, is because of what happened at Armageddon, which was this! (video plays of Jericho at Armageddon) You play with fire, you gets burned, and Chris Jericho, instead of just coming out on Monday Night Raw, and apologizing for touching greatness, and saying “I’m sorry, JBL”, and expecting me to show up, I’m sorry Chris, but you aren’t very high on my priority list. He called me irrelevant - coming from someone who got fired, then failed miserably at reality TV. I’m not coming to Raw to open a show in Poughkeepsie, New York, I’m not coming to Raw to be a team player, I’m not coming to Raw for a freaking swan song, I’m coming to Raw to do the one thing JBL knows how to do - MAIN EVENT PAY-PER-VIEWS AND WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS! Put my name on the WWE Championship NOW, IT’LL SAVE YOU A LOT OF TIME. Three years from now, Jericho, people are going to look at you ask WHAT THE HELL DID YOU DO BY UNLEASHING JBL ON US! I was, I am, and forever will be THE ONLY WRESTLING GOD!
Tazz - It’s nice to be here, Joe… Cole.
Cole - Don’t insult me.
Cole - THE EDGE HEADS HAVE SAVED THE TITLE FOR EDGE! EDGE IS MANIPULATING HIS EDGE HEADS!
(Edge retains)Cole - Welcome to the dog days of SmackDown!

Here are some IGF matches from their 12/20 show.

Senshi Vs A.J. Styles
http://www.sendspace.com/file/j9u096

Chris Moore (Chris Masters) Vs Ryuji Yanagisawa
http://www.sendspace.com/file/16dzjx

Kurt Angle Vs Kendo Kashin
http://www.sendspace.com/file/2e184e
Angle-Kashin is okay, but forgettable, while the Chris Moore match is slightly boring, and really exposes how limited Mordetski is, but AJ-Senshi is very good, with more mat wrestling than I expected. Of the three, give that one a look first, then the Angle match, and if you're in need of sleep, try the Moore match.
 
So.. I downloaded Glory By Honor Night 1 and am almost done watching it... I found a decent pic of myself.

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You look bored.... perhaps... stoned? Just playing. ;)

I'm all over the Glory By Honor Night 2 DVD, but primarily can be seen behind Sweeney and Hero just like you. Managed to rangle up enough money for a first row seat that I shared with my brother. It's quite fun bashing the steel sheet during matches.

I'm heading to the doubleshot in NYC next week and am really stoked for Dragon/Morishima IV, Nigel/Aries, and the tag team scramble for the PPV. Then for Final Battle 2008, I'm looking forward to Evans/Necro, Steenerico and Delirious/Hangmen 3 in a tables match, and the Nigel/Dragon/Morishima/Hero 4 way Elimination match. That and Bushwacker Luke, Sunny, and DANIEL PUDER! are going to be there. :)

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Age of The Fall Go To Toys R Us and The Strip Club

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3reUaO8-rZU&eurl=http://ageofthefall.com/[/media]
Age of The Fall Go To Philly and Talk about the Housing Market Crash and The Liberty Bell

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[quote name='Zen Davis']You look bored.... perhaps... stoned? Just playing. ;)

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I think he looks like he is pissed that Michael screwed something up at Dunder Mifflin.
 
[quote name='niceguyshawne']I think he looks like he is pissed that Michael screwed something up at Dunder Mifflin.[/quote]

If anything I'm pissed about the lack of new episodes. :(
 
Some sad news from today's Observer site update, Bart Gunn's 19 year old son died.
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=21635 -
--Mike Polchlopek III, the 19-year-old son of Mike Barton aka Bart Gunn, died on Wednesday. He was shot a few days earlier by accident when 18-year-old friend Cody Grooms was cleaning a .22 caliber rifle and it went off.
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What a horrible way to die; hopefully Mike Barton can recover from this tragedy.

In some happy news from that update, Terry Allen and his wife were able to bring their prematurely-born twins home after spending about 7 weeks in the hospital. As a preemie myself, I hope everything goes well for the children and their parents.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']So.. I downloaded Glory By Honor Night 1 and am almost done watching it... I found a decent pic of myself.

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Holy crap, its the Fire Guy from the Office!
 
[quote name='Bezerker']Holy crap, its the Fire Guy from the Office![/quote]
You think I look like Ryan? hmm.. ok..

Oh wow.. I just realized that that's what niceguyshawne was getting at too. That completely went over my head.

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--Mike Polchlopek III, the 19-year-old son of Mike Barton aka Bart Gunn, died on Wednesday. He was shot a few days earlier by accident when 18-year-old friend Cody Grooms was cleaning a .22 caliber rifle and it went off.
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[insert tasteless Smoking Gunn joke here]

Sad, indeed. I personally knew someone who was killed the exact same way.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']Some sad news from today's Observer site update, Bart Gunn's 19 year old son died.
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=21635 -

What a horrible way to die; hopefully Mike Barton can recover from this tragedy.

In some happy news from that update, Terry Allen and his wife were able to bring their prematurely-born twins home after spending about 7 weeks in the hospital. As a preemie myself, I hope everything goes well for the children and their parents.[/quote]

That's why you unload the gun before you clean it. In fact the gun should only be loaded when you are ready to shoot. nOOb. Sucks for Barton.
 
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Taken from WWE.com; Notice the name on Orton's Title Belt? Do they actually have people that approve these images before theyre put up, or is it just a joke done by them to see if anyone would notice.
 
[quote name='Bezerker']
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Taken from WWE.com; Notice the name on Orton's Title Belt? Do they actually have people that approve these images before theyre put up, or is it just a joke done by them to see if anyone would notice.[/QUOTE]

It's possible that that photo was taken right after Orton won the title back from HHH at No Mercy and they didn't realize that it still had Triple H's nameplate on it.


- edit That's very likely. When Orton recieved the title as a gift, it had no nameplate on it and when Triple H won/held it, it had his nameplate.
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I saw Impact on Saturday night. It was ok. I'm already sick of Joe's "I hate the establishment" gimmick he's got going. I wish more wrestlers would sell like A.J. Style did. He didn't make you forget that his back was messed up, unlike some guys who fly off ladders or get bashed in the head with chairs and somehow feel nothing 3 minutes later.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']It's possible that that photo was taken right after Orton won the title back from HHH at No Mercy and they didn't realize that it still had Triple H's nameplate on it.


- edit That's very likely. When Orton recieved the title as a gift, it had no nameplate on it and when Triple H won/held it, it had his nameplate.
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Honestly I think that picture illustrates better than any other how incredibly stupid the spinner title looks. It looks like someone straight up bedazzled the championship belt.
 
The Rated R belt was a comical twist on it, but that aside that is probably the worst looking belt in WWE history. Even worse than the Million Dollar Belt, which was also hilarious, and the IC title with the yellow strap.
 
I just watched the cage match between Bruiser Brody and Lex Luger. Now while Brody is highly revered among smarks, it really seems to me that some wrestlers who are legendarily unprofessional seem to get a pass for their behavior (Brody), while others (Hogan, HHH, Goldberg) are often chastised for the very same behavior.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epmXA8w0Qjo[/media]

If you can toss out your feelings for Luger...isn't it quite obvious that Brody is being extremely fucking unprofessional here?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I just watched the cage match between Bruiser Brody and Lex Luger. Now while Brody is highly revered among smarks, it really seems to me that some wrestlers who are legendarily unprofessional seem to get a pass for their behavior (Brody), while others (Hogan, HHH, Goldberg) are often chastised for the very same behavior.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epmXA8w0Qjo

If you can toss out your feelings for Luger...isn't it quite obvious that Brody is being extremely fucking unprofessional here?[/QUOTE]

Did you hear about the backstory on that match? - edit Also Brody's legacy is one of being an outlaw of sorts, that's why he gets a pass.

Luger had been told by a number of veterans (mostly as a gag) that Brody was violent and dangerous in the ring, and Brody had issues with Luger's ego concerning putting other wrestlers over. Shortly after the match began, Brody began standing still and no-selling Luger's punches and other offense, and a confused Luger decided to exit the cage and walk away from the match.
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Yeah, it's unprofessional but blah it isn't any worse than when Regal decided to actually put Goldberg through the wrestling ringer.

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[quote name='Sporadic']Did you hear about the backstory on that match?[/QUOTE]

Yeah - but the backstory is all on Brody (1) deciding who's going to go over/get pushed/look good, rather than the promoter and (2) deciding who is deserving and not deserving. As a wrestler, that's not his business to determine - and sure, Luger sucks, and Luger's cocky - but that's irrelevant, IMO. Brody gets a pass because we like him and hate Luger, while Hogan is hated because we hate him and loved probably 70% of the dozens of guys he crushed.

If you take how we feel about these guys out of the equation, you end up with the same behavior, IMO.

I'll watch that Goldberg match in a bit. I've got some errands to run. Sounds interesting.

EDIT: It's purely speculation because I don't know the Regal/Goldberg backstory, but it looks like this to me. Regal, being the veteran in this match, is gonna lead it. Goldberg, the new guy, is going to follow and do what Regal says. As the match begins, it becomes quite clear that Goldberg is trying to be the one in control and dominate the match (or he's doing a spectacular job of fucking up every move he's trying). So, either way, what he's not doing is following Regal's lead. It's unprofessional, disrespectful, and potentially dangerous (christ a'mighty that one armdrag was a nightmare to watch). Regal began to "shoot" (not in a stretching sense, but in a "you're doing this my way now" sense) and lay in a few stiff shots (though he was clearly pulling them still - he may have just began pulling them a split second later than he typically would).

I'm not defending Regal, and he still sold for Goldberg and did the job (even staying down after the three count, which is not from the Bruiser Brody/JBL school of layin' down for wrestlers). But, the way I'm interpreting what I see in that match is this: Regal did not make the decision to "shoot" on Goldberg prior to coming out for the match. Because of Goldberg's attempt to wrangle the match from Regal, and causing some really awful looking television moments (let alone the potential injuries), Regal made the decision on the fly to put Goldberg in check for their own safety, and to make the match salvageable. I'm sure there was selfish interest at play as well, but the important thing (again, IMO strictly) is that Regal didn't enter the ring looking to make Goldberg look poor.

Brody, OTOH, was told about how cocky Luger was, and made the decision to give him absolutely ZERO in that match prior to the match happening. From all accounts of the backstory, anyway. That's a huge difference IMO. If someone is not working with you, giving you respect, or potentially putting you in harm's way, there are means of dealing with them (Regal being a good example, and the Saturn/Mike Bell match being an example of taking it too far, IMO). Going out to the ring knowing you're going to double-cross someone, however, is almost always complete and utter bullshit and unprofessional. There are exceptions when people are totally unmanageable (Montreal screwjob), but for the most part, I couldn't have much respect for someone who would violate the trust needed between wrestlers. If I fuck up in a match, teach me a lesson in the ring and help me through it afterwards. If you go out with the intention of harming me or doublecrossing me, then you don't belong in the business at all.

Again, if I'm dead wrong about Regal/Goldberg, let me know. I'm just relaying how I saw the match.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']The Rated R belt was a comical twist on it, but that aside that is probably the worst looking belt in WWE history. Even worse than the Million Dollar Belt, which was also hilarious, and the IC title with the yellow strap.[/QUOTE]
I still hate the current spinner belt more than the Rated R one, since they just changed it a bit for the Edge one. Its so stupid, it doesn't even say Champion on it, just Champ. That thing is so thick too. It looks like HHH has giant fanny pack on.
 
[quote name='CouRageouS']I still hate the current spinner belt more than the Rated R one, since they just changed it a bit for the Edge one. Its so stupid, it doesn't even say Champion on it, just Champ. That thing is so thick too. It looks like HHH has giant fanny pack on.[/QUOTE]

Well he is a professional wrestler, I'm sure he wears a fanny pack pretty frequently.

Where's BustaUppa? Does he have a fanny pack? He better get one if he's going to break out some day.
 
The spinner belt looks fine. The only reason it gets the hate it does is because of its association with Cena. When it starts looking like a Christmas gift made be Meatwad, then I'll be concerned.
 
Brody (allegedly) putting blades on his fingers during that cage match to use in an attack against Luger is quite a bit worse than Regal deciding to force Bill Goldberg to actually wrestle. Brody was one of the most unprofessional-acting pro wrestlers of all-time, but was otherwise said to be a stand-up guy. He just really took offense to being put in a match that he felt was beneath him, like the one with Luger.
 
I don't care who is holding the spinner belt, it could've been Kurt Angle that came out with it first, it still looks absolutely ridiculous. The idea of moveable parts on a championship belt is just dumb.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Yeah - but the backstory is all on Brody (1) deciding who's going to go over/get pushed/look good, rather than the promoter and (2) deciding who is deserving and not deserving. As a wrestler, that's not his business to determine - and sure, Luger sucks, and Luger's cocky - but that's irrelevant, IMO. Brody gets a pass because we like him and hate Luger, while Hogan is hated because we hate him and loved probably 70% of the dozens of guys he crushed.

If you take how we feel about these guys out of the equation, you end up with the same behavior, IMO.

I'll watch that Goldberg match in a bit. I've got some errands to run. Sounds interesting.

EDIT: It's purely speculation because I don't know the Regal/Goldberg backstory, but it looks like this to me. Regal, being the veteran in this match, is gonna lead it. Goldberg, the new guy, is going to follow and do what Regal says. As the match begins, it becomes quite clear that Goldberg is trying to be the one in control and dominate the match (or he's doing a spectacular job of fucking up every move he's trying). So, either way, what he's not doing is following Regal's lead. It's unprofessional, disrespectful, and potentially dangerous (christ a'mighty that one armdrag was a nightmare to watch). Regal began to "shoot" (not in a stretching sense, but in a "you're doing this my way now" sense) and lay in a few stiff shots (though he was clearly pulling them still - he may have just began pulling them a split second later than he typically would).

I'm not defending Regal, and he still sold for Goldberg and did the job (even staying down after the three count, which is not from the Bruiser Brody/JBL school of layin' down for wrestlers). But, the way I'm interpreting what I see in that match is this: Regal did not make the decision to "shoot" on Goldberg prior to coming out for the match. Because of Goldberg's attempt to wrangle the match from Regal, and causing some really awful looking television moments (let alone the potential injuries), Regal made the decision on the fly to put Goldberg in check for their own safety, and to make the match salvageable. I'm sure there was selfish interest at play as well, but the important thing (again, IMO strictly) is that Regal didn't enter the ring looking to make Goldberg look poor.

Brody, OTOH, was told about how cocky Luger was, and made the decision to give him absolutely ZERO in that match prior to the match happening. From all accounts of the backstory, anyway. That's a huge difference IMO. If someone is not working with you, giving you respect, or potentially putting you in harm's way, there are means of dealing with them (Regal being a good example, and the Saturn/Mike Bell match being an example of taking it too far, IMO). Going out to the ring knowing you're going to double-cross someone, however, is almost always complete and utter bullshit and unprofessional. There are exceptions when people are totally unmanageable (Montreal screwjob), but for the most part, I couldn't have much respect for someone who would violate the trust needed between wrestlers. If I fuck up in a match, teach me a lesson in the ring and help me through it afterwards. If you go out with the intention of harming me or doublecrossing me, then you don't belong in the business at all.

Again, if I'm dead wrong about Regal/Goldberg, let me know. I'm just relaying how I saw the match.[/QUOTE]

Here's what the backstory on the Regal/Goldberg match is

The end of Regal's WCW career came during a February 1998 edition of Nitro. Forced to work a squash match against Goldberg, Regal worked very stiff and went out of his way to make Goldberg look foolish in the ring. He was fired immediately after the bout.
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Which is where I kind of go meh, the Regal match and the Brody incident are both examples of an older wrestler deciding to humble a green wrestler. Yeah, it's unprofessional but nobody got hurt and it was only one match.

It crosses a line, in my book, when the older wrestler actively goes out his way to do something that puts him or his opponent in harm's way or seriously hurts his opponent. Some examples are Hardcore Holly sandbagging Lesnar, Undertaker (allegedly) fucking Chris Masters up in Scotland for not selling or New Jack attempting to kill Vic Grimes by trying to throw him as far as he could.

But like I said earlier Brody gets a pass because being a crazy asshole was a part of his image, Regal gets a pass because he's a fantastic wrestler, even HBK gets a temp pass for his actions during HBK/Hogan just for the fact that Hogan pulled out his creative control to try and save face.
 
Well, if Regal went out knowing he was going to "humble" Goldberg, that changes everything entirely.

What about HBK/Hogan? The Summerslam match? I remember that match, if correctly, for HBK selling like Wile E. Coyote more than no-selling. He turned it into a comedy match, bumping and flopping all over creation, instead of acting the tough guy part. Of course, it's the same result, because it ruined the match and made Hogan look silly.

Your point about injuries is something I agree with somewhat. Both cross the line, IMO - but trying to injure another guy is way over the line compared to making someone look silly. I don't think Holly is an example of that; he was sandbagging Lesnar to make him look weak, and the injury sustained was his own, unintentionally (ironically, because Lesnar picked him up just enough to drop him on his neck). I'm sure Holly has a litany of matches where he took advantage of green guys just because he could. But that may be quite different from what we're talking about - like what they did with the APA.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Well, if Regal went out knowing he was going to "humble" Goldberg, that changes everything entirely.

What about HBK/Hogan? The Summerslam match? I remember that match, if correctly, for HBK selling like Wile E. Coyote more than no-selling. He turned it into a comedy match, bumping and flopping all over creation, instead of acting the tough guy part. Of course, it's the same result, because it ruined the match and made Hogan look silly.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, HBK/Hogan was HBK overselling everything Hogan did while stiffing him.

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[quote name='mykevermin']Your point about injuries is something I agree with somewhat. Both cross the line, IMO - but trying to injure another guy is way over the line compared to making someone look silly. I don't think Holly is an example of that; he was sandbagging Lesnar to make him look weak, and the injury sustained was his own, unintentionally (ironically, because Lesnar picked him up just enough to drop him on his neck). I'm sure Holly has a litany of matches where he took advantage of green guys just because he could. But that may be quite different from what we're talking about - like what they did with the APA.[/QUOTE]

Well, there where only two real things that could have ever come from Holly sandbagging Lesnar 1) Lesnar is forced to pick him up which would have made him look weak since it would have been a struggle and puts him in the position of possibly injuring himself 2) Lesnar give up and drops Holly right on his douchebag head

Thankfully we got to see option number 2

Which kind of brings us to what I was getting at. Those unprofessional moments, while unprofessional, aren't that bad because they had just about a 0% chance of injury and only happened once. Brody didn't hurt Luger by putting the fear of God into him, Regal didn't hurt Goldberg by refusing to do the 45 second job, HBK didn't hurt Hogan by flipping around.

I'm having a hard time thinking of a time where Hogan or HHH seriously put somebody over at their own expense with nothing in return or them not burying that person in the future (only one I can think of is Hogan with Lesnar)

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On a funny note, I love how HBK's expression never chances on WWE auction.

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[quote name='Sporadic']But like I said earlier Brody gets a pass because being a crazy asshole was a part of his image, Regal gets a pass because he's a fantastic wrestler, even HBK gets a temp pass for his actions during HBK/Hogan just for the fact that Hogan pulled out his creative control to try and save face.[/quote]

Sorry, I can't see giving a pass for any of that. That's the old "two wrongs makes a right" argument. It's really silly that some of these wrestlers are so insecure that they fail to realize they are actors playing a role and not in legitmate athletic competition. Could you imagine Jackie Chan kicking the shit out of someone on set for real just because he felt the scene was "beneath him"? Or two man comedy team in which one person purposely messes up the timing?
 
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