*Official* NBA PLAYOFFS 2007 discussion

[quote name='alucard8319']Atlanta should not pass on Mike Conley Jr, screw Portland unless they give a great deal. Plus I wonder who is going to take a chance on drafting Yi Jianlian? Boston might pass but who knows what Danny Ainge is thinking.

(mute the music )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqd2mEFAZSI[/quote]

Danny Ainge is a complete idiot. He took a team that went to the conference finals and just broke it apart. At least Matt Millen's team sucked from the start of his tenure.
 
[quote name='primetime']Playoff basketball is not the same as regular season basketball and should not be called exactly the same. Just like calls at the end of the game should be different. The players should decide the game and be able to showcase their talent. The real problem is when the ref becomes part of the game.

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If the NBA wants to stick with their "rules is rules" credo, then they need to say the rules are different in the playoffs. NCAA basketball is generally called the same whether it is pre-season NITs, regular season, or March Madness. I have refereed some games myself, and I know it is hard, but these NBA guys are pros. The way the NBA tries to call fouls in the playoffs compared to the regular season was a big reason Team USA looked so terrible in the Olympics and international play. They are so used to being able to travel, forearm check, palm the ball, and being allowed "to play" that when rules were actually enforced like they should be they didn't know what to do. For a game that isn't supposed to be a contact sport, there is a lot of crap tolerated on the court.

That second tech on Fisher would have never happened if they called the blatant push-off that Ginobli gave. I am not a Jazz fan but that was ridiculous. That first tech was absurd. If they are going to "let them play" then they shouldn't have called the tech.
 
You guys got the first and second tech mixed up. The first tech happened was because of a lil pushoff that Fisher tried to flop. That lil bump by him afterwards was stupid and uncalled for. Not only did he get a tech for that, Sloan received his 2nd tech and got ejected.

The 2nd tech was a hard foul and he definitely did deserve the tech. Had the first tech not happen, they might've had a chance to come back and win it. I just can't believe a veteran guy like Fisher would do that when his team is down 2-1.
 
[quote name='primetime']I wouldn't be opposed to seeing techs passed out to egregious flopping, as what happens albeit rarely in soccer.[/quote]

This needs to happen.

As you mentioned, it is a rarity in soccer, but hopefully it'd be somewhat of a deterrent.

The more prevalent flopping becomes as a defensive strategy, the more painful the NBA is to watch.
 
I totally understood both the order in which both techs happened because I watched the game. The first tech was a preventative T by the ref. Maybe I was not clear enough in my posts. I personally like the "let them play" mentality as long as the game is called evenly. The playoffs should not be decided on the FT line. I get tired of seing big men walk to the line on every bump. The NBA doesn't have to announce anything- it's like an unwritten rule in baseball.

I also think, to some extent, basketball is a contact sport. If you've ever done some hardcore box-out drills then you know what I mean. I especially get tired of guys getting every call when they go out of their way to create contact. Sometimes the call needs to be made, but you'll see Chauncey Billups jumping completely sideways to make contact with a guy. I hate seeing the whistle blown everytime a guy gets touched in the paint. There were a couple great no-calls on plays where Tony Parker would recklessly drive through the paint and hit the ground. I think that would normally get called in the reg season. I don't want to see it called in the postseason. Like I said, the ref is not even supposed to be noticed during the game. As long is the game is being called consistently without any risk of danger, I'm fine with the game being tight or loose. The players will adapt to the ref's game. The best example of this is soccer- players will do anything they know they will get away with.

And Guile, that was a pretty evident push off on Manu that should've been called. Fisher lost his cool though, and I don't think he would even argue with the tech. It was kinda sad to see that happen to him last night.
 
[quote name='primetime']I totally understood both the order in which both techs happened because I watched the game. The first tech was a preventative T by the ref. Maybe I was not clear enough in my posts. I personally like the "let them play" mentality as long as the game is called evenly. The playoffs should not be decided on the FT line. I get tired of seing big men walk to the line on every bump. The NBA doesn't have to announce anything- it's like an unwritten rule in baseball.

I also think, to some extent, basketball is a contact sport. If you've ever done some hardcore box-out drills then you know what I mean. I especially get tired of guys getting every call when they go out of their way to create contact. Sometimes the call needs to be made, but you'll see Chauncey Billups jumping completely sideways to make contact with a guy. I hate seeing the whistle blown everytime a guy gets touched in the paint. There were a couple great no-calls on plays where Tony Parker would recklessly drive through the paint and hit the ground. I think that would normally get called in the reg season. I don't want to see it called in the postseason. Like I said, the ref is not even supposed to be noticed during the game. As long is the game is being called consistently without any risk of danger, I'm fine with the game being tight or loose. The players will adapt to the ref's game. The best example of this is soccer- players will do anything they know they will get away with.

And Guile, that was a pretty evident push off on Manu that should've been called. Fisher lost his cool though, and I don't think he would even argue with the tech. It was kinda sad to see that happen to him last night.[/QUOTE]

I haven't posted so far this series, even though I'm probably the only Jazz fan on CAG that was a fan before this whole playoff run happened..

I haven't posted about this series because I think SA gets calls just because they are the spurs.. Stern wants the spurs to win.. this all stems back from that Phoenix series.. I don't agree with all the fouls (and non fouls) that were called in last nights game.. I am also somewhat embarrassed to be a jazzfan after we threw stuff at the spurs (its not their fault they get the calls). Popovich has always been a fan of Sloan's system and I don't like how they (the utah fans.. thats not all of us mind you) treated them.

however.. that was the worst officiated game in the entire playoffs.. moreso then in game 2 when millsap looked at horry and horry fell down for a foul.. what is that about...

the NBA needs to seriously look at all these "phantom calls" "non calls" and "flops"... I understand the jazz arn't perfect.. and I don't even care if the Jazz lose.. just as long as the game was called fairly and justly.. Steve Javi called 28 fouls last night 24 of them were against the jazz.. that just doesn't seem very fair or just.. and that is my take

I can't wait for next year.. hopefully the jazz can trade away Giricek, Collins and possibly get a great shooting guard to fill that void.. I know the series isn't over yet and it depends on how we play tomorrow night.. but I honestly don't think the Jazz can beat the Spurs and Stern to make it to the finals this year.. so we have something to look forward to next year.
 
this isn't AK's series.. AK is best when he's allowed to "free roam" the floor and make those help blocks, fast break dunks, and defensive rebounds (which he had 4 blocks, and 8 or 9 rebounds last night) where he succeeded so much in the Warriors series because he was allowed to cheat off of his man help and block BD's penitration..

AK can't do this in this series because they just pass it to bowen/Ginobli for 3..

Okur on the other hand is also known to be a SA killer and he needs to find his shot (actually he's needed to find his shot for the majority of the playoffs.. at least since game 6 of the Houston series.. )
 
[quote name='urzishra14']I haven't posted so far this series, even though I'm probably the only Jazz fan on CAG that was a fan before this whole playoff run happened..

I haven't posted about this series because I think SA gets calls just because they are the spurs.. Stern wants the spurs to win.. this all stems back from that Phoenix series.. I don't agree with all the fouls (and non fouls) that were called in last nights game.. I am also somewhat embarrassed to be a jazzfan after we threw stuff at the spurs (its not their fault they get the calls). Popovich has always been a fan of Sloan's system and I don't like how they (the utah fans.. thats not all of us mind you) treated them.

however.. that was the worst officiated game in the entire playoffs.. moreso then in game 2 when millsap looked at horry and horry fell down for a foul.. what is that about...

the NBA needs to seriously look at all these "phantom calls" "non calls" and "flops"... I understand the jazz arn't perfect.. and I don't even care if the Jazz lose.. just as long as the game was called fairly and justly.. Steve Javi called 28 fouls last night 24 of them were against the jazz.. that just doesn't seem very fair or just.. and that is my take

I can't wait for next year.. hopefully the jazz can trade away Giricek, Collins and possibly get a great shooting guard to fill that void.. I know the series isn't over yet and it depends on how we play tomorrow night.. but I honestly don't think the Jazz can beat the Spurs and Stern to make it to the finals this year.. so we have something to look forward to next year.[/QUOTE]

Yeah that was pathetic by the crowd. If they wanted someone to blame, it should be Fisher. No need to throw stuff at the other team because your own team blew the game.

And the Horry flop you said i'm pretty sure that was game 3. Flopping is stupid and I see ALOT of people doing it and I agree with you that it should be looked into. Like I said, the refs need to look at the replays or have a booth review. BTW who's the first fool to start the whole flopping shit?
 
[quote name='urzishra14']I haven't posted so far this series, even though I'm probably the only Jazz fan on CAG that was a fan before this whole playoff run happened..

I haven't posted about this series because I think SA gets calls just because they are the spurs.. Stern wants the spurs to win.. this all stems back from that Phoenix series.. I don't agree with all the fouls (and non fouls) that were called in last nights game.. I am also somewhat embarrassed to be a jazzfan after we threw stuff at the spurs (its not their fault they get the calls). Popovich has always been a fan of Sloan's system and I don't like how they (the utah fans.. thats not all of us mind you) treated them.

however.. that was the worst officiated game in the entire playoffs.. moreso then in game 2 when millsap looked at horry and horry fell down for a foul.. what is that about...

the NBA needs to seriously look at all these "phantom calls" "non calls" and "flops"... I understand the jazz arn't perfect.. and I don't even care if the Jazz lose.. just as long as the game was called fairly and justly.. Steve Javi called 28 fouls last night 24 of them were against the jazz.. that just doesn't seem very fair or just.. and that is my take

I can't wait for next year.. hopefully the jazz can trade away Giricek, Collins and possibly get a great shooting guard to fill that void.. I know the series isn't over yet and it depends on how we play tomorrow night.. but I honestly don't think the Jazz can beat the Spurs and Stern to make it to the finals this year.. so we have something to look forward to next year.[/quote]

I wasn't able to see the whole game, but yeah that sounds really uneven. I think the Spurs do get calls simply because they are the Spurs. The Jazz just need to step it up- like D Will and Boozer. They aren't good enough to beat the Spurs right now, they are a powerhouse.
 
well.. for the jazz.. to be a team that was down 2-0 and counted out of the playoffs even before they began to beat a great houston team, to beat the hottest team in basketball in the GS warriors.. to make it to the conference finals on basically the first year this whole team has played a season together.. seeing Deron get the respect he deserves.. seeing Boozer prove every critic in Utah wrong.. seeing us get someone amazing in the draft for once (millsap= next barkley.. heh well maybe not that far.. but thats who he reminds me of) I can't really be disappointed by this season.. however.. we had oppourtunites to win.. unfortunately the refs didn't call the game both ways.. and utah had a lot of uncessary fouls/turnovers that were calls that had to be made.. we passed up shots we should have taken.. we passed up passes we should have made.. its all in the past.. hopefully utah can at least break the winning in SA curse this year and at least let us (the jazz fans) redeem ourselves in a game 6
 
yea i agree..breakout season for both deron and boozer...i'm happy for those guys...for Deron b/c he proved the critics wrong that choosing him over paul was a bad mistake....and for boozer b/c of his injury
 
[quote name='bullsrfive']Jesus Christ! Larry Hughes is injured again?! Dude better have an all-star season next year.[/quote]

he's still playing though

and he's been downhill since he left the wiz
 
[quote name='swetooth9']he's still playing though

and he's been downhill since he left the wiz[/QUOTE]


And they need to take his ass out, he's playing horrible.
 
Hmm looks like Spurs-Cavs will be the finals, nice to see the Pistons continue to refuse to actually play good against Cleveland.

I'd say whoever wins game 5 wins that series.

Jazz-Spurs game 5... hmm, Spurs by 20, maybe more. Utah just got lucky that they played Golden State in the second round instead of Dallas or Phoenix. As cool as it was seeing the Warriors upset the Mavericks, I think they may have done more damage than good as far as quality basketball was concerned down the line.
 
[quote name='urzishra14']unfortunately the refs didn't call the game both ways.. and utah had a lot of uncessary fouls/turnovers that were calls that had to be made[/quote]
???

But I do respect the Jazz, especially Deron. They've had a good year and will definetly be very dangerous for years to come. Seriously though enough SA hate. Again anyone saying the league is cheating for them to win is just ridiculous. Of course they're going to get calls over some teams just like PHX, Dallas, and Detroit do. Teams that are good year after year usually get the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, look where they are now, one game from the finals again. Besides it's an odd numbered year.
 
[quote name='thamaster24']Congrats to Eric Snow, the first point I've ever seen you make[/quote]

QFT

Looks like Sheed needed his headband at the end of that game, too bad. Hats off to the Cavs though :applause: , I want to see Bron have some playoff success.
 
I'd rather see him break his leg so I don't have to see him bitching anymore. Maybe he can cry like Wade after he hurt his poor little shoulder. Screw James and the Cavs owner too.
 
[quote name='thamaster24']???

But I do respect the Jazz, especially Deron. They've had a good year and will definetly be very dangerous for years to come. Seriously though enough SA hate. Again anyone saying the league is cheating for them to win is just ridiculous. Of course they're going to get calls over some teams just like PHX, Dallas, and Detroit do. Teams that are good year after year usually get the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, look where they are now, one game from the finals again. Besides it's an odd numbered year.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this. If refs are really cheating, why did they call Duncan's 5th foul in game 3? Why didn't they call Boozer's charge in game 4 on Ginobili after he blocked Duncan's dunk? There are stupid calls/non calls both ways in this series. The only thing I see the Jazz fans unhappy are the Fisher technicals which ARE right calls.
 
Hey, what do you know, some boys from Cleveland are making a playoffs out of this! It kinda feels like when the Indians were good in the mid-90s. :)

Now, this needs to keep up and the Browns need to figure out how to win a game and Cleveland sports will be back on the map ;)
 
i'm a fan of billups, but he made some stupid plays with the game on the line...first, the stupid in-the-air pass which is intercepted by gooden...then he goes and fouls the dude with a whole minute and a half left...

then that weird 3 pointer lean-in with 50 seconds left and only down by 3 while on a fast break...i mean yea, he can hit those, but it was so off balance, that he should have tried to get the foul in the lane
 
Not to mention... Daniel Gibson 21 points, wasn't Billups supposed to be guarding him?

Mark my words, if the Pistons don't win game 5, they won't be going to the finals.
 
Christ I havent watched the playoffs since like the 2nd round.

For some reason this year is just so boring to me..even though I am a hardcore bastketball fan and I LIVE IN DETROIT for pete's sake.

I just dont care for some reason.....I dont know why.
 
[quote name='primetime']I wish they would ship his butt to ATL but I think he has a no-trade clause.[/QUOTE]

Uhhhh...if he wants to be traded, he can simply wave it.
 
[quote name='evanft']Uhhhh...if he wants to be traded, he can simply wave it.[/quote]

That would teach him a lesson. Better yet, send Kobe to memphis, then he can beg for Jerry West to come back there too.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']That would teach him a lesson. Better yet, send Kobe to memphis, then he can beg for Jerry West to come back there too.[/QUOTE]

The return of the NBA logo!!!
 
[quote name='evanft']The return of the NBA logo!!![/quote]

Pistons could send them... :lol:

No, seriously, what would it take? Rip obviously, and then Tayshaun? Probably a draft pick, that #15 from Orlando?

I don't care how much people hate him, Kobe is a talented fool. The Pistons could use a guy that can score consistantly every night. Plus he's a lock-down defender.

Detroit still has a lot of young talent too... Amir Johnson, Jason Maxiel, that 7'1 250lb guy from the Senegal, Cheik Samb. Delfino might be better if had more playing time as well.

I like the idea, although I think the Lakers will get better offers than Rip & Tay for Kobe.

On second thought, maybe they won't now that Kobe has *demanded* this trade! Yes, he's damaged goods now! So make it Rip, Maxiel and that 15th pick for Kobe.
 
[quote name='evanft']Uhhhh...if he wants to be traded, he can simply wave it.[/quote]

What I was saying was that he would waive a trade to ATL, therefore it couldn't happen...
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Pistons could send them... :lol:

No, seriously, what would it take? Rip obviously, and then Tayshaun? Probably a draft pick, that #15 from Orlando?

I don't care how much people hate him, Kobe is a talented fool. The Pistons could use a guy that can score consistantly every night. Plus he's a lock-down defender.

Detroit still has a lot of young talent too... Amir Johnson, Jason Maxiel, that 7'1 250lb guy from the Senegal, Cheik Samb. Delfino might be better if had more playing time as well.

I like the idea, although I think the Lakers will get better offers than Rip & Tay for Kobe.

On second thought, maybe they won't now that Kobe has *demanded* this trade! Yes, he's damaged goods now! So make it Rip, Maxiel and that 15th pick for Kobe.[/quote]

wow, i've never thought of that...however i'm not sure how happy the current pistons roster would be with kobe over there...the pistons seem like a great group of guys who like each other...so...i dont know...althought that would be a spectacular team if something works out
 
"Three years ago when I was re-signing they should have told me they wanted to rebuild."

fucking kobe, they wouldnt be rebuilding if he didn't run Shaq out of town. Anyways his bitch ass isn't going anywhere.
 
[sarcasm] The Jazz are showing poise and are refusing to give up! [/sarcasm]

Jeez, I haven't seen a team give up like this in the playoffs so far...

Kinda bummed
 
I hope this humiliation teaches the Jazz not to run the score up like in game 3, even though Spurs aren't even trying to.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']
Jazz-Spurs game 5... hmm, Spurs by 20, maybe more.[/quote]

I guess "maybe more" was the correct answer :lol:

I love how all these analysts are giving Utah so much credit. Right :roll: If Utah had played a team like Phoenix or even Dallas they probably would have lost earlier, instead they got the Warriors. With Seattle and Portland looking to get a lot better next year, and Denver having Melo & AI for a full year, plus New Orleans due to go a year without the whole team getting injuries, don't be too shocked when the Jazz don't even make the play-offs in '08.
 
I'm pretty sure with the way his contract is set up Kobe isn't going anywhere. Although he may shave his head soon and check into rehab. Probably be seen bopping around with Paris Hilton soon enough too. I think those two are meant for each other.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']I'm pretty sure with the way his contract is set up Kobe isn't going anywhere. Although he may shave his head soon and check into rehab. Probably be seen bopping around with Paris Hilton soon enough too. I think those two are meant for each other.[/quote]

How so?
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']How so?[/quote]

I'm thinking you're asking about the contract and not how Kobe and Paris are perfect for each other... :lol:

Really boils down to that $18 million kicker Kobe gets if he's traded, plus how tricky it'd be for any team to match salaries to even get Kobe and have anyone else on their team. Why Kobe needs $18+ million a year is beyond me, but like Latrell Sprewell, I'm sure he has a family to feed. Probably feeds 'em Jellybeans or something like that.
 
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