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Eh. Too weird for my taste. Assuming that Shane is just around for Mania season, he loses.

Right now I'm regretting not going to Raw, but I'm guessing they'll change my mind before the show is over.
 
I guess Cena isn't wrestling Undertaker. So is he not going to make it or playing it safe?

It's like they're apologizing for the main event. Smart they knew it needed to be a street fight for Brock/Dean. I want light bulbs.
 
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If they thought that was going to get some sympy for Reigns, boy they thought wrong.  Also, what are the odds that was a blood capsule.

 
Sielanas said:
I guess Cena isn't wrestling Undertaker. So is he not going to make it or playing it safe?

It's like they're apologizing for the main event. Smart they knew it needed to be a street fight for Brock/Dean. I want light bulbs.
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Ah, but I still think it could happen. Keyword is "could" though.

Undertaker vs. 46 year old Shane who hasn't wrestled - what, since the Kane-shocks-his-balls feud? - is not going to be a good match by itself. If Cena is ready, it's a totally simple storyline adjustment where Cena "represents" Shane. If Cena isn't ready, then nothing changes and they just use the bells and whistles of a heavily interfered in HIAC match to try to pull off an entertaining spectacle.

Problem with this either way is Shane is the good guy in the match, and it's not fucking likely Undertaker is getting booed in his home state, at Wrestlemania, at which at least some people may think it's his last match.

I'm also assuming Shane isn't sticking around and only came back for Mania season, so that'll give you an idea of the match outcome.

Do kind of wish I went to Raw tonight, although not at the expense of skipping NXT a few weeks ago (which probably would have been the situation for me).

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Ending of Raw was hilarious. I don't care if it's Vince or a marketing team or Vince and a marketing team that wants Reigns to be the top good guy...Hunter just beat the shit out of him, obliterated his face, mocked him and told him to suck it, and the crowd was going fucking ballistic for him. The WM reaction should be even funnier.

 
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Dog and cats living together - mass hysteria!

Really, though, Shane McMahon being Undertaker's opponent - I can't believe I'm saying this, but it makes Strowman look like a well reasoned consideration by comparison.

 
mykevermin said:
No worries, dude. Keller definitely has some insight into the biz, or else he wouldn't have been around for three decades.

That said, he's like a lot of dirt sheets - a carnival barker that's going to satisfy his audience (to keep them enrapt, subscribing, and recommending). He's examining the wrestling side of a media conglomerate, which is what WWE really is.

I would love to look at their financials deeply to see which fans/viewers actually contribute the most financially. If you could see the average monthly expenditure for, say, a fan like me and compared it to the average small child. Me? I give them $120/year in subscription fees, and probably spend - at best - $200-250 per year on live event tickets and merch. $50 last year for two NXT tickets, about $60 in merch at the show...and probably another $85 on wwe.com merch (but that was sale/clearance stuff. my one Daniel Bryan shirt was $5).

The small child is already two tickets instead of one (parent/guardian), and I suspect far more likely to buy action figures, video games, t-shirts, foam whatever-the-fucks (fingers? unicorn horns?) and so on.

If they had a choice to hand pick their customers, would they fill the arena with someone like me, who buys merch at maybe 1 out of ever 3-4 live WWE events I go to? Or lil' Sally, who demands the asuka mask, new day horn, who buys the program, etc etc?

I suspect (but am willing to be wrong) that kids are FAR BIGGER profit centers as consumers than you or I am. So, you cater to them.

Now, that all having been said, that explains Cena. I'm not sure it explains Reigns. I can't figure that out.
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Since WWE is a publicly traded company, they have to post certain documents to the public. I didn't really go through it all that much because they're pretty extensive and I'm not planning on buying stock, but I based my opinion on their base numbers (revenue, income, etc) and what I know about the direction of the network, other aspects of their business and their consistent ticket sales.

http://www.snl.com/Cache/28495894.PDF?Y=&O=PDF&D=&FID=28495894&T=&OSID=9&IID=4121687

http://corporate.wwe.com/

 
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mykevermin said:
Dog and cats living together - mass hysteria!

Really, though, Shane McMahon being Undertaker's opponent - I can't believe I'm saying this, but it makes Strowman look like a well reasoned consideration by comparison.
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Shane can at least sell and do some spots (though at his age, maybe not as insane). Brown Snowman can walk down to the ring like he just had a hurty poo?

 
KaneRobot said:
Ah, but I still think it could happen. Keyword is "could" though.

Undertaker vs. 46 year old Shane who hasn't wrestled - what, since the Kane-shocks-his-balls feud? - is not going to be a good match by itself. If Cena is ready, it's a totally simple storyline adjustment where Cena "represents" Shane. If Cena isn't ready, then nothing changes and they just use the bells and whistles of a heavily interfered in HIAC match to try to pull off an entertaining spectacle.

Problem with this either way is Shane is the good guy in the match, and it's not fucking likely Undertaker is getting booed in his home state, at Wrestlemania, at which at least some people may think it's his last match.
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A really weird place to be for Undertaker, representing Vince/Authority. Two mega-favorites. And if you do inject Cena on the "positive" side, how are people going to cheer HIM over Taker. It's going to take a LOT of work to make Taker heel by then both because of history and the location.

 
So was the ending to Raw similar to what THQ had to do to get an M rating on The Punisher for PS2 instead of AO by going to black and white in the interrigation scense? In this case WWE keeping a PG rating only by going black and white when HHH busted open/bladed Reigns?

 
MSUHitman said:
So was the ending to Raw similar to what THQ had to do to get an M rating on The Punisher for PS2 instead of AO by going to black and white in the interrigation scense? In this case WWE keeping a PG rating only by going black and white when HHH busted open/bladed Reigns?
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I don't know what channel you were watching as that blood was red as fuck on my ty.

 
Rigor Mortis said:
I don't know what channel you were watching as that blood was red as fuck on my ty.
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Same here. No black and white for me. It was black and white when WWE posted the video later though.

It's annoying seeing all these dummies on NEWZ site comment sections getting all hyped up. "Omg shane is here hoepfully he stops the PG er a after wrestlemana!!!" Yeah, sure thing. Maybe he'll even bring CM Punk with him to the Hall of Fame ceremony this year where they induct Chris Benoit ("because he was a great performer regardless of what he did outside the ring"). I heard he's already wielding his power a bit by inviting Hulk Hogan to Raw next week to close out Black History Month.

 
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This Shane thing could be a good way to get rid of The Authority. It just sucks that it would come as a loss to The Undertaker. 

I also thought about the Cena thing. It could still happen. Hell, there could even be a Cena save on Shane during the match if he's not 100% ready to go. Then Shane wins, gets control, Cena was working with him to get his beloved WWE back on track. That could set up a Cena/Undertaker story too since he'd be pissed at losing again.

 
I dunno about you guys, but I think Undertaker may just swerve us and allow Shane to beat him at Wrestlemania so he can stick it to VInce. Either way I don't see Shane losing the match considering the stipulation, so something will happen that will involve an unclean finish.  

 
Sigma said:
I dunno about you guys, but I think Undertaker may just swerve us and allow Shane to beat him at Wrestlemania so he can stick it to VInce.
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Yeah, that crossed my mind also. If the streak were still going, that would actually be an incredibly powerful moment and make Undertaker out to be the biggest hero ever. Shane is obviously going to lose, Taker sees Vince egging him on, screaming at him to finish him or whatever, Taker gets pissed and just lays down for Shane. Shane hesitates but gets the pin, Taker tombstones Vince leading to Vince going away forever (or until ratings tank further), the end.

As it is, Undertaker just letting Shane win now seems odd. "22-2" seems kind of worthless. I still doubt Shane is sticking around beyond Wrestlemania season though.

EDIT - After decades of me telling people "they don't use blood capsules," we have this. http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2016/2/23/11098810/roman-reigns-blood-capsule-packet-raw-main-event-wwe-blading-policy-triple-h-assault-video

 
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Sielanas said:
Since when does the network have ads? Just got a fucking Snickers ad before watching a WCW ppv.
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WWE has a sponsorship deal with Snickers. The Network, just like regular WWE programming will feature commercials with current sponsors (Snickers is the sponsor for Wrestlemania 32) and the advertisements will usually feature WWE talent, but not always. I know that Paige is on one of the Snickers ads right now, so maybe that is the one you saw. WWE also has shown commercials for their own products (toys, video games, etc.) on the Network since day one.

 
KaneRobot said:
Same here. No black and white for me. It was black and white when WWE posted the video later though.

It's annoying seeing all these dummies on NEWZ site comment sections getting all hyped up. "Omg shane is here hoepfully he stops the PG er a after wrestlemana!!!" Yeah, sure thing. Maybe he'll even bring CM Punk with him to the Hall of Fame ceremony this year where they induct Chris Benoit ("because he was a great performer regardless of what he did outside the ring"). I heard he's already wielding his power a bit by inviting Hulk Hogan to Raw next week to close out Black History Month.
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Yeah I don't have pay TV or the network so I saw it on YT first, just watched the show on Hulu now. Also found out from IGN's entertainment writer it was a capsule handed to Roman by Saxton.
 
My "holy shit" moment of last night was for Shane's WM announcement and not in a good way.  It just sounds incredibly stupid for Taker's last match (stop me if you've heard that one before).

Agreed that the only redeemable outcome out of this is if Taker intentionally tanks the match to screw Vince. 

The injuries in the last year have definitely screwed WWE for WM.
 
I vividly remember a WCW pay-per-view where a commentator says "He has no idea where he is at right now!", to which Bobby Heenan exclaims "He's somewhere between WCW/NWO and Snickers!". 

I for one am excited about Shane O' Mac but the booking this week feels like

 
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Sielanas said:
Since when does the network have ads? Just got a fucking Snickers ad before watching a WCW ppv.
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Since a couple months ago. I think the rate is something like 1 ad for every 4 on-demand programs you watch.

That doesn't bother me much. What I don't like is commercial breaks during matches on stuff like NXT, Superstars, and Kickoff shows.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQp6MMAoLeY

That was released today and seems to have perfect timing given the discussion earlier.

 
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I don't even know what to say. Christ almighty, that's the most wooden performance I've seen in a long time. It's like instead of a script they just had a guy say "ahhh, just do fuckin' whatever."

Could have been The Big Show dressed as a diva, could have been R-Truth as Goldust, could have been JBL as Justin "Hawk" Bradshaw...I mean, the possibilities are endless. If I were Snickers, I'd want my money back. fucking awful.

 
They don't really have to do a distinct split, but they should bring back the big gold belt and not have wrestlers do double duty on Raw and Smackdown every single week. They have a huge roster and it seems like only a few guys get ring time every week. (Seriously, where the hell is Fandango?) The body can only take so much and it's probably a big reason why so many big guys are hurt and why they seem to be without more big names.

It takes time to build a guy up. I mean, just look at Cena. He was in OVW for a few years where he won the OVW and Tag Championships. Then he was on Smackdown for a couple more years. He won the US Championship three times. He then feuded with JBL and won the WWE Championship at Wrestlemania. Then he premiered on Raw. That's how you build a guy. Just putting a guy on Raw, projecting he's the next big thing for a couple of years and giving him the WWE World Heavyweight Championship without ever holding another singles title anywhere is asinine.

When Cena beat JBL, I was excited. It took time to build and it felt like he really earned it. Sure, Cena Wins LOL has worn thin now, but I honestly can't say that I really care that Roman Reigns is a two time (soon 3 time) World Champion. They didn't properly build the guy and he hasn't had any experience outside of WWE to be credible enough. If he was a heel that kills things it would work better, but he's supposed to be a baby face.

 
And here I am, stupid me. Was hoping this would lead to a wrestler being the top heel in the company rather than an owner. But I guess the idea of a competitor fighting against upper management is still not played out after nineteen fucking years.

 
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ROH show looks solid this week, minus the Whitmer match. I have zero interest in the feud, I consider him the good guy because I fucking hate Corino's voice. Such a ham-fisted story.

Moose vs Okada could be his coming out party.
A little weird going to 2 triple-threat title matches. Do they really want to keep the Strong/Fish feud going by having a title change without one beating the other? Ishii getting the belt was so random.

I wish they were like WWE, NJPW, and Chikara in that I could watch for a low amount. It's a joke to pay for a membership on their web site and only get archive tv and order discounts.
 
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I don't know much about how distant their shows are on Comet from live events (e.g, compared to, say, NXT, who is still broadcasting shows they taped at the venue the wkd of Royal Rumble). But check http://comettv.com/ - you can see if they're in your area. We don't have cable, but they're an over-the-air channel. Sadly I have no way to DVR the program, I think, since it's on at midnight/1 am.

But as for cost, well, sigh. Gotta pay the bills. They just put a ton into making their entrance look far more professional, they signed a few guys to exclusive contracts (and that means paying them decently). ROH is trying to make it as a must-watch indie promotion during a time where WWE is literally buying up every indie wrestler they can think of - so they have to sign talent and pay them well. That means you gotta pay to get to their events and watch them.

I totally, 100% empathize with the "man, PPVs are $$$expensive$$$" feeling. I don't buy ROH shows, so I can't speak to how much they are (they're $40, right? I looked at the flipps app once. was pretty impressed). But that's, to quote Dione Warwick, what friends are for. 4-8 friends, pizza and beer, voila. fuckin' rad evening. Unless your pals drink too much and throw up said pizza on your carpet. I warned you.

 
Shane McMahon was announced for the upcoming RAW in Chicago a little over a week away. It's good to see them actually building this storyline. Can't decide if I want to buy tickets, though. The last couple times I've went recently I've just left so underwhelmed and disappointed by my waste of money.

 
tonyxvx said:
Shane McMahon was announced for the upcoming RAW in Chicago a little over a week away. It's good to see them actually building this storyline. Can't decide if I want to buy tickets, though. The last couple times I've went recently I've just left so underwhelmed and disappointed by my waste of money.
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I can't imagine going to Raw live, waiting through commercials, dealing with the meandering promos without the luxury of fast forward, all on the small chance something interesting happens.
 
You mean the one that censors things even more than regular TV and cuts out entire matches from the broadcast? Why? Other than the fact that it takes less time to watch, it's inferior in every way. And if the show's that bad where you don't want to see it, I'm not sure what reason there is to bother watching at all. May as well just read results.
 
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