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[quote name='karsh']Okay...If Orton was suspended...
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Wasn't Smackdown taped BEFORE Orton got suspended?

And yea, no Randy Orton probably means I won't be watching Smackdown... aside from the whole Eddie thing, I really liked him.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Wasn't Smackdown taped BEFORE Orton got suspended?

And yea, no Randy Orton probably means I won't be watching Smackdown... aside from the whole Eddie thing, I really liked him.[/quote]

No. They announced the suspension a few hours before the tapings.
 
Randy Orton's 60 day suspension is set to kick in next Wednesday, on April 12th. He wrestled at last night's Smackdown tapings. Also, it was announced at last night's Smackdown tapings that he will be wrestling at next week's tapings. And then he will be gone until mid-June.
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Comments on Warrior's speech at DePaul...

Hey Dan,

I got back the Warrior speech earlier today. As you reported, the Warrior was asked to give a speech in Chicago on his anti-diversity position to DePaul (which is one of the more liberal colleges in the midwest feautring a Top-20 ranking in diverse student body and higher gay population than most other colleges in the midwest). Needless to say, you can expect the student body reception he received... since essentially it was the same speech he gave at UConn (which can be seen on YouTube.com), I'll just give some random bits

-The Warrior stated he had no idea WrestleMania was taking place in Chicago until just recently, but also stated "all of the rumor places" were predicting him to make appearances

-Warrior also stated he would not be able to morally work in the WWE today due to the high sexual content

-At one point an elderly man stood up and and started frantically screaming at him to to stop using the "bigot word" of "queer" and was escorted out. Warrior screamed back in defense of his use of the word.

-After a student made a sarcastic remark on a video clip featuring Warrior bodyslam Andre, Warrior replied "Go masturbate to it on your own time". The Vice President of the University stepped in to sternly demand he be respectful. Although Warrior initially defended that he wasn't saying anything that wasn't already on TV, he quickly backtracked after realizing the seriousness.

Overall it was a terrible speech. He read off of his podium only to occasionally look up, avoided most questions with tangents, answered questions WITH questions when stumped by students, and quickly became dark red in the face from bursting with anger (which ironically, came after his statement "queers can't keep their emotions under control"). Due to his perceived complete lack of respect for the DePaul student body, staff, and values, there is high chatter on campus with petitions against the Warrior and to have the organization that brought him disbanded (Conservative Alliance group).
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credit: http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2006/articles/1144265229.php
 
I was at the tapings last night, and the cage match was not the main event it was a dark match after the show was over. Not that is matters that much, since it wasn't that great anyway.
 
Warrior is totally gay. There's no other explanation for it.

I bet the dude has stacks of "Tom of Finland" art books taller than Andre.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Warrior is totally gay. There's no other explanation for it.

I bet the dude has stacks of "Tom of Finland" art books taller than Andre.[/quote]

I think Warrior is completly asexual at this point. Who'd want to make love to that?
 
Something I was thinking about on the drive home from a long bike ride:

Remember before Samoa Joe signed an extended contract with TNA, and WWE was really interested in him? Johnny Ace said something along the lines of "Samoa Joe could be the top level heel that Rikishi never panned out to be." So does this mean if Samoa Joe had signed with WWE, he would have debuted Monday night as Umaga instead of the former Jamal? Kudos to Samoa Joe for making the right decision!
 
[quote name='AdamInPlaidum']Something I was thinking about on the drive home from a long bike ride:

Remember before Samoa Joe signed an extended contract with TNA, and WWE was really interested in him? Johnny Ace said something along the lines of "Samoa Joe could be the top level heel that Rikishi never panned out to be." So does this mean if Samoa Joe had signed with WWE, he would have debuted Monday night as Umaga instead of the former Jamal? Kudos to Samoa Joe for making the right decision![/quote]

If so, I agree that Joe made the right decision as well. He is one of the top dogs in TNA. If he went to WWE he'd start all over and probably with a stupid gimmick.
 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rxZWjJyw3rg&search=ultimate warrior

Warriors Uconn Speech

For a man that doesn't care for wrestling anymore or is working on a new career as a speaker. He really can't let go of the past.


Great little except from his site.

"AND I AM NOT DEAD. If you want to continue to misbelieve, now that you have the truth before you and are given this chance to correct your errors, you are stupidly choosing to remain ridiculously ignorant. And if you are, I can assure you none of the gutsy, real substantive thinking and enlightenment Warrior Web provides will be of any interest to you. There's only one thing about me, "He was intense." That hasn't changed. Never will. But about everything else -- get ready for the lesson of your life. Around here, misconceptions are accustomed to being destroyed.
 
I think I killed the wrestling topic by posting the warrior speech. I think everyone is away watching it.

So what you thinks going to happen at backlash in the triple threat title match? *crickets*
 
[quote name='Graystone']So what you thinks going to happen at backlash in the triple threat title match? *crickets*[/QUOTE]

Please WWE... if you are listening.... give the title back to Edge damn it. I'll start watching again if you do. Pretty please. :pray:
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Please WWE... if you are listening.... give the title back to Edge damn it. I'll start watching again if you do. Pretty please. :pray:[/QUOTE]

I don't care for the Edge rated R character that much. However Adam (edge) is a good-great wrestler so I would really like to see him get the strap again as well.
 
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Just in case. It'll be his only WrestleMania moment, so we might as well enjoy it.
 
[quote name='Graystone']http://youtube.com/watch?v=rxZWjJyw3rg&search=ultimate%20warrior

Warriors Uconn Speech

For a man that doesn't care for wrestling anymore or is working on a new career as a speaker. He really can't let go of the past.


Great little except from his site.

"AND I AM NOT DEAD. If you want to continue to misbelieve, now that you have the truth before you and are given this chance to correct your errors, you are stupidly choosing to remain ridiculously ignorant. And if you are, I can assure you none of the gutsy, real substantive thinking and enlightenment Warrior Web provides will be of any interest to you. There's only one thing about me, "He was intense." That hasn't changed. Never will. But about everything else -- get ready for the lesson of your life. Around here, misconceptions are accustomed to being destroyed.[/quote]

I don't care what political or personal views a person has (seeing as he can only truly control his own life), but the man has to speak with a lot less anger as a public speaker.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
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Just in case. It'll be his only WrestleMania moment, so we might as well enjoy it.[/QUOTE]

yea i noticed that too...


PUNK! RULES! STR8 EDGE!
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I don't care what political or personal views a person has (seeing as he can only truly control his own life), but the man has to speak with a lot less anger as a public speaker.[/QUOTE]

I don't agree. Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, and Michelle Malkin sell books. Michael Moore sell videos and theater tickets. Randi Rhodes, Sean Hannity, Neal Boortz and Rush Limbaugh sell ad time. *THEY* are the popular ones.

They are characters, of course, but they are the ones who are truly making money.

Intellectuals make a good living, but they are in no way comparable to the above listed people. Noam Chomsky and Gore Vidal sell books, but not to the degree of the above. For fuck's sake, have you ever seen Chomsky speak? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl0dk6WfZxA&search=chomsky

EDIT: I dare you to watch that whole clip. Even the interviewer seemed to be on the nod. He's still a brilliant fucking mind, but approximately Chris Benoit on the microphone charisma.

Egads. That's why Warrior does what he does. I also think that his anger and aggression are why he's taken seriously by people who want to see him speak (and don't get me wrong, if you're dumb enough to either agree with him or waste your time debating his points, you're taking him seriously). Charismatic authority (a traditional sociological concept courtesy of Max Weber), that's all.

Regretfully, we live in a society that wants to debate ideas between two people who toss catchphrases and quips back and forth, rather than ideas. We don't want to see a true debate, we want the intellectual equivalent of "Your momma's so fat...". That's why we see political bumper stickers and embrace them as a form of sending a message, because we're too uninformed and lazy to assemble a coherent message that's longer than one sentence.

Now, this may seem off topic, but I believe that Warrior is a perfect fit, because poltics has become professional wrestling. Depending on your political stance, it's "good guy" Dem/Repub versus "bad guy" Dem/Repub. The bad guys always cheat, and the good guys are always honest. This really occurred to me when I heard radio ads for a Sean Hannity/Jerry Springer "debate" at a local casino, and I also read that David Horowitz and Ward Churchill are doing the same thing. Touring the fucking country screaming their heads off at each other. It is truly a WrestleMania moment. And it makes me sick.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Please WWE... if you are listening.... give the title back to Edge damn it. I'll start watching again if you do. Pretty please. :pray:[/quote]

I've heard the current plan is to have whoever wins drop it to RVD at ONS, so if Edge wins then everyone will bitch that he's even more of a transitional champ. Let Cena have his inexplicable win so RVD can kick his ass a month later.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqUSXNngEB0&search=wwf

Oh my. That's a different Billy Graham from the one we see today.[/QUOTE]

i remember seeing this when i was a kid... I think i was 10 at the time and hearing someone claim Hogan was a big coke head and used steriods caused me to lose interest in wrestling for a long time.

You should also check out the HBO show "real sports" that did a story about deaths in professional wrestling. Its the one were Mcmahon slaps the papers out of the interviewers hands. Piper is also excellent in the piece but i've always been a relaly big Piper mark so im a little biased.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MRa-xE8lRKw
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I don't agree. Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, and Michelle Malkin sell books. Michael Moore sell videos and theater tickets. Randi Rhodes, Sean Hannity, Neal Boortz and Rush Limbaugh sell ad time. *THEY* are the popular ones.[/quote]

That's true, but all of the above use anger like a precision instrument with some degree of wit. Warrior uses anger like a sledgehammer and has all the wit of a block of wood.

God, the WWE should have tried to get him in "Right to Censor". Talk about life imitating art.
 
I picked up Wrestlemania X8 earlier this week and I'm watching it now. Rock's interview at the beginning was probably one of the best I've ever seen. "Did you say your prayers coach?...What in the blue hell was that? What's up G? That's how you show thanks?!?!?"

Anyone know what happened to Maven (the 1st Tough Enough winner)?
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I picked up Wrestlemania X8 earlier this week and I'm watching it now. Rock's interview at the beginning was probably one of the best I've ever seen. "Did you say your prayers coach?...What in the blue hell was that? What's up G? That's how you show thanks?!?!?"

Anyone know what happened to Maven (the 1st Tough Enough winner)?[/quote]

He's on the current version of Surreal Life on VH1.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']He's on the current version of Surreal Life on VH1.[/QUOTE]


Oh no way, I gotta see that. The last time they had an ex-wrestler (Chyna) on there, hilarity ensued. The best was when X-Pac showed up and Da Brat was threating to crack him with a couple champagne bottles. Surreal? Definetly an understatement in that situation.
 
I know I'm only 4 years late but Rock v. Hogan was a great match. Not as good as my favorite match of all time (WM 21 HBK v. Kurt Angle) but pretty damn good.
 
[quote name='2Fast']I still have yet to watch a Wrestlemania in its entirety :/[/quote]

The only one I recall watching entirely was the year Brock and Goldberg wrestled (2004 I think?).
 
[quote name='2Fast']I still have yet to watch a Wrestlemania in its entirety :/[/QUOTE]

Its been a while for me too.

Gotta love chapter skip on DVDs ;) Who the hell really wants to watch a triple threat match with Jazz, Trish, and the trans (Lita)?

If I'm watching a Wrestlemania live, which doesn't happen often (21 was the first one I had watched since 17 and I haven't seen 22 at all), then I'll watch the whole thing.
 
Anyone remember when Booker T and Steve Austin fought in a grocery store? I literally cried laughing when I rewatched it.

Anyway, Mykevermin could you explain to me how they made Booker T look bad (or equate the match to the Iraq war, with Booker T being Iraq) leading up to Wrestlemania 19? I remember you mentioning it a few times here, and was always curious about it since I had stopped watching wrestling around Wrestlemania X-Seven.
 
The buildup was much the same, strangely enough, as the HHH/Cena buildup. Triple H played the cocky bad guy, never showed any fear of Booker. No big deal there, right? Well, Triple H cut a promo on Raw a few weeks before WMXIX that was a thinly disguised racist promo. He made references to "Your kind of people" when talking to Booker T in the ring, and how Booker's "kind of people" couldn't do what Triple H does (work hard and succeed). There may have been another interview with that kind of racism, but I only recall the overbearing stench of the one.

Many people tie that promo into the finish of the match, but I'm not *as big* a conspirator. Long story short, after an above-average back-and-forth title match (good for any PPV other than 'Mania), Triple H hit the pedigree on Booker and got the win. Again, no big deal, right? Well, the unique thing about this match (and I don't have an opinion on whether or not it was intentional) was that it literally (and I don't use that word like others, by typing literally when I mean figuratively - I mean literally) took 40 seconds to a minute for Triple H to cover Booker T for the pin. As wrestling fans, we're conditioned to expect several things when a finisher is hit: (1) the match ends, except on rare occasions (2) here is one of those occasions: when the time between hitting the finisher and pinning the opponent is overly long. Certainly 40 seconds is too long for a finisher to retain its "knockout" impact. In those cases, we all react the same way (because we're all marks, no matter how "smart" we think we are): the opponent kicks out. There are no exceptions.

So, what was unique about the finish of the match was that the length of time between the pedigree and the pinfall was so long that the crowd's *expectation* was that Booker would kick out, and the crowd was *shocked* instead when Triple H won. It's an interesting situation to be sure. Intentional or not, it made Booker T look very very very weak: precisely *because* everyone expected him to kick out, and he didn't.

Conspiracy theorists point to Triple H and seem to immediately think it was all intentionally done to make the Book look like shit. Seeing as how the finish made it one of the more underwhelming title matches in WM history (let alone any WM match), I sort of fall to the side of thinking that it wasn't done on purpose.

Besides, to do it on purpose would imply malice on the side of Triple H. I don't think that he would go out of his way to make someone he's feuding with look bad (on purpose). I do think that (and this is something very few of you will agree with) he has no idea how to be a proper heel, and that, if the majority of his match outcomes and storyline progressions are his work and his input, then he truly has less of an idea how to run a wrestling show than Vince Russo. (That last bit's wee heavy on the hyperbole, but you get my drift).
 
Now that you mention it, I think I remember hearing about that Triple H promo on the news or from somewhere or another. You have to hand it to Booker T though, the guys a trooper (for enduring being held down by the geezers in WCW for years, being renamed "G.I. Bro," taking things like in that promo, all the WWF title wins he's *almost* had, hearing the n-word from Mr. McMahon at a PPV a few months ago, or having to sign autographs at a god-damn Popeyes Chicken for fucks sake).

:whistle2:k that Pedigree must be compensating for the one Triple H gave to the Ultimate Warrior at Wrestlemania XIII.

I'm really not sure why, but I've always been a huge Booker T mark, and I would love to see him get just one WWE Heavyweight title reign, even if it is just transitional. With 30 combined title reigns in two of the largest companies in wrestling history, Book deserves to be the first African-American to hold the belt in the WWE (not counting him holding the WCW belt in the WWE, which really does not count IMO).
 
[quote name='2Fast']Now that you mention it, I think I remember hearing about that Triple H promo on the news or from somewhere or another. You have to hand it to Booker T though, the guys a trooper (for enduring being held down by the geezers in WCW for years, being renamed "G.I. Bro," taking things like in that promo, all the WWF title wins he's *almost* had, hearing the n-word from Mr. McMahon at a PPV a few months ago, or having to sign autographs at a god-damn Popeyes Chicken for fucks sake).

:whistle2:k that Pedigree must be compensating for the one Triple H gave to the Ultimate Warrior at Wrestlemania XIII.

I'm really not sure why, but I've always been a huge Booker T mark, and I would love to see him get just one WWE Heavyweight title reign, even if it is just transitional. With 30 combined title reigns in two of the largest companies in wrestling history, Book deserves to be the first African-American to hold the belt in the WWE (not counting him holding the WCW belt in the WWE, which really does not count IMO).[/QUOTE]

I think that Vince lauds The Rock as the first African-American champ, even if he's only half black (and certainly "passes for white," as we say in my field). Wasn't there another?

Booker's been through a lot. His tag teams first gimmick (w/ Stevie Ray, who I never figured out if they were truly brothers)? Slaves. Motherfucking slaves. In Texas. :shock:

Then, of course, don't forget that, although from Texas, their tag team in WCW was known as "HARLEM Heat," because, y'know, black people don't live outside of Harlem. Booker and Stevie's original names in the Heat? Kane and Cole.

He's either a dumb motherfucker or a rich motherfucker. My guess is both. Tho' he's smart for marrying Sharmell. Yow!
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I think that Vince lauds The Rock as the first African-American champ, even if he's only half black (and certainly "passes for white," as we say in my field). Wasn't there another?

Tho' he's smart for marrying Sharmell. Yow![/quote]

Agreed on that part. She seems to be a very supportive wife and she understands the sacrificies that a wrestler has to make. I'm sure it helps that she was a part of it herself for so long in WCW.

The only other black heavyweight champ in the "major" feds I can think of is Ron Simmons and Booker T in WCW. The only guy that has a chance in WWE right now is probably Lashley but he still needs more experience. I think he could use a manger or valet as a mouthpiece too. I actually would love to see Tazz as Lashley's manager. He can still be Tazz when other guys are out there and call the matches, but when Lashley comes out he can be Taz and be Lashley's voice.
 
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Randy Orton’s Suspension & Major Heat With Flair, Taker, More
Date Added: April 07, 2006
Story By: Tim Brown
The PWTorch Newsletter is reporting that Randy Orton’s suspension is due to his behavior backstage at WrestleMania 22.

The issue with Orton seems to be mostly due to his attitude about how he is a main eventer and feeling that he does not have to follow the same rules as everyone else, as opposed to doing something to someone else or his health. The word going around right now is that Orton feels he is above the rules, and has had several issues in the past backstage, mainly with female co-workers and the way he talks to them.

Randy Orton is one of the least liked people backstage, and has the most heat of anyone right now. The Undertaker is said to despise Randy Orton, and it’s not just an issue with “serious people” not liking his attitude, as people who love to party like Ric Flair and Kurt Angle do not like him either.

This suspension is likely to be very good for locker room morale, and it doesn’t look like anyone will be missing him backstage.
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http://www.prowrestling.com/news.php?id=17456/articles/news
 
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Randy Orton’s Suspension & Major Heat With Flair, Taker, More
Date Added: April 07, 2006
Story By: Tim Brown
The PWTorch Newsletter is reporting that Randy Orton’s suspension is due to his behavior backstage at WrestleMania 22.

The issue with Orton seems to be mostly due to his attitude about how he is a main eventer and feeling that he does not have to follow the same rules as everyone else, as opposed to doing something to someone else or his health. The word going around right now is that Orton feels he is above the rules, and has had several issues in the past backstage, mainly with female co-workers and the way he talks to them.

Randy Orton is one of the least liked people backstage, and has the most heat of anyone right now. The Undertaker is said to despise Randy Orton, and it’s not just an issue with “serious people” not liking his attitude, as people who love to party like Ric Flair and Kurt Angle do not like him either.

This suspension is likely to be very good for locker room morale, and it doesn’t look like anyone will be missing him backstage.
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http://www.prowrestling.com/news.php?id=17456/articles/news[/quote]

as opposed to doing something to someone else or his health.

What does that mean?

Anyway, this sounds like the suspension was a long time coming. He probably thinks he can get any ass he wants in the company and is getting shut down and can't deal with it. Maybe Triple H has nothing to do with Orton's position after all. Only one thing worse than a female diva and that's a male diva.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']as opposed to doing something to someone else or his health.

What does that mean?[/quote]

Being suspended for the recent drug tests, or getting in a fight with someone backstage mostly. My favorite rumor to spread was that he got suspended for punching Steph in the stomach. :lol:
 
I wonder if it would get so bad they'd just straight up release him... Randy Orton going to TNA would put TNA over in a big way, I think.
 
I think they'd rather give him the Stevie Richards treatment than release him. Although, if he would go to TNA, not only would it be a huge drain on their pocketbooks, but a drain on their morale as well. I'm not so sure that TNA would want him, or be able to deal with him.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']I think they'd rather give him the Stevie Richards treatment than release him. Although, if he would go to TNA, not only would it be a huge drain on their pocketbooks, but a drain on their morale as well. I'm not so sure that TNA would want him, or be able to deal with him.[/QUOTE]

Whatever happened to Stevie Richards?

Also, on a side note, where did Steve Blackman go? He had the best theme song. I remember one time, him and Shane had climbed up to the almost top of the arena, and Steve Blackman kicks Shane off his metal tower and he falls 100 feet down into this foam padded thing. It was freaking insane.
 
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Randy Orton’s Suspension & Major Heat With Flair, Taker, More
Date Added: April 07, 2006
Story By: Tim Brown
The PWTorch Newsletter is reporting that Randy Orton’s suspension is due to his behavior backstage at WrestleMania 22.

The issue with Orton seems to be mostly due to his attitude about how he is a main eventer and feeling that he does not have to follow the same rules as everyone else, as opposed to doing something to someone else or his health. The word going around right now is that Orton feels he is above the rules, and has had several issues in the past backstage, mainly with female co-workers and the way he talks to them.

Randy Orton is one of the least liked people backstage, and has the most heat of anyone right now. The Undertaker is said to despise Randy Orton, and it’s not just an issue with “serious people” not liking his attitude, as people who love to party like Ric Flair and Kurt Angle do not like him either.

This suspension is likely to be very good for locker room morale, and it doesn’t look like anyone will be missing him backstage.
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http://www.prowrestling.com/news.php?id=17456/articles/news[/QUOTE]

It's funny that he's so much of an asshole behind the scenes, because he's totally fucking boring on screen as far as I'm concerned. Like toast.
 
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