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This is fucking awesome. I know people are going to say that he should not be in TNA due to his injuries and addiction, but I don't really care. Mark out mode in full effect.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']I know people are going to say that he should not be in TNA due to his injuries and addiction[/QUOTE]

While I think it's a major acquisition for TNA, I'll be one of the teetotalers. I'm glad that he'll be taking on a three day/month schedule.

Nevertheless, what it tells wrestlers is that being broken down to the point that WWE fires you despite being a top talent, you can still earn a living elsewhere. It tells wrestlers that they aren't people, they're chattel for the profit of the company.

I'm happy for TNA, but I still don't like the larger implications of it.
 
KURT MOTHERfuckIN' ANGLE IS IN TNA!

I just marked out like a little kid for that! :D

Also, as expected, Styles & Daniels stole the show again. Amazing finish.

As for the surprise,

Hopefully he'll do well in TNA. He'll only really wrestle once a month at the PPV events. He'll probably rarely wrestle on Impact, and hopefully a light schedule can satisfy his appetite for competition while keeping him somewhat healthy. This is awesome!
 
I'm not sure who is dumber here -- the big announcement or TNA.

Doesn't he have a rather lengthy no-compete clause anyways? Even if it's the standard, it hasn't even been close to 90 days.
 
Demo, I don't know if Scorch follows TNA or if Guyver caught the show. Might want to just post that pic as a link.

Also, is TNA still going to be just one hour? I would think so. Doesn't Ultimate Fighter still run new episodes?
 
That's fucked up, after WWE gave him an early release as a favor to give him time to recover from all his injuries. He just might have become the next Jeff Jarrett in Vince's book.
 
[quote name='Saucy Jack']Also, is TNA still going to be just one hour? I would think so. Doesn't Ultimate Fighter still run new episodes?[/QUOTE]

The first Impact is reported to be a 2 hour special. After that then its back to being 1 hour long.
 
I want to really enjoy this, but for some reason I can't. His legacy is in WWE, I don't know what he is going to gain by this, besides an early death.

As much as I abhor Vince McMahon/WWE creative, I can't help but think of this as a low blow to them.
 
OK, my mark-out has faded.

I'm officially scared for him.

Even one match a month at the PPV could send him to an early grave.

I hope he'll be OK.
 
Even then Saucy he's going to be working a MUCH lighter scheduel than he was in the WWE. As long as he only works say once a month match wise and protects himself well then he'll be fine. We'll see. We can only hope for the best.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Even then Saucy he's going to be working a MUCH lighter scheduel than he was in the WWE. As long as he only works say once a month match wise and protects himself well then he'll be fine. We'll see. We can only hope for the best.[/QUOTE]

I know. Maybe he'll be fine with the light schedule.

I mean, it's like hearing that Bret Hart is coming back for one last match. The kid in you marks out big time, but then a few minutes later you're like, "He's going to die in the ring!"

Tears you up.
 
Going to TNA is better than going to do MMA, where at 37 his health would be too big of an issue.

The only sucky part about the announcements is that they still are only giving Impact an hour. Spike TV puts on some really crappy shows and they have no real reason not to give TNA two hours.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']We'll see. We can only hope for the best.[/QUOTE]

That's such an empty phrase, though. "hoping for the best" would be to deny what an ignorantly competitive man like Angle is, and hope he'd stay out of the ring and sort his shit out.

This is crystal clear evidence that there was no "mutal agreement" to Angle's departure from WWE. Here comes another bitter ex-employee to TNA. If they let him squash guys in mat-based matches for his first few months, then I'll be happy with that. He still needs to sort many things out, apparently, and while I can't wish he stayed out of the ring (he's made his decision), I can wish that he keeps his eye and his mind on his health.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']The only sucky part about the announcements is that they still are only giving Impact an hour. Spike TV puts on some really crappy shows and they have no real reason not to give TNA two hours.[/QUOTE]

November 16th will be a two hour special which I'm assuming is Spike TV testing the waters to see how well TNA does with a well hyped 2 hour show. After that its back to being one hour for the time being.

And Myke you summed up something that I wanted to say but didn't know how to say it (if that makes sense). I'm excited to see Angle going to TNA on one hand. On the other however I'm nervous because of his health. We can hope Kurt is doing what's best for him tho.
 
[quote name='Saucy Jack']I'm officially scared for him.

Even one match a month at the PPV could send him to an early grave.

I hope he'll be OK.[/QUOTE]

Same, I really don't want Angle to die in the ring.
 
Honestly, what does he have left to prove? Nothing. His jump to TNA makes no sense. If he asked for a lighter schedule, WWE would've probably granted him that.

TNA's making huge mistakes by signing big stars.
 
[quote name='Scorch']Honestly, what does he have left to prove? Nothing. His jump to TNA makes no sense. If he asked for a lighter schedule, WWE would've probably granted him that.

TNA's making huge mistakes by signing big stars.[/QUOTE]

Singing big stars in and of itself isn't really a problem, I don't think. The way they are going about it though, is the problem. Back during the Monday Night Wars era, it was something to steal a wrestler from the opposing company. Today it makes TNA look hardup for any talent they can find.
 
[quote name='Scorch']Honestly, what does he have left to prove? Nothing. His jump to TNA makes no sense. If he asked for a lighter schedule, WWE would've probably granted him that.

TNA's making huge mistakes by signing big stars.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I mean, we're going to look back on Kurt Angle like this:

"Man, he died before the age of 40, and in the ring!"


We should remember him like this:

"He was one of the greatest who ever lived. He went out on top."
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Singing big stars in and of itself isn't really a problem, I don't think. The way they are going about it though, is the problem. Back during the Monday Night Wars era, it was something to steal a wrestler from the opposing company. Today it makes TNA look hardup for any talent they can find.[/QUOTE]

Quite true. I'm warming up to the idea of Angle working in TNA, and if he wants to die in the ring, that's his mistake to make. Pro wrestling as a whole isn't lacking for tragedies for him to learn to avoid mistakes and pitfalls from; he simply goes through and does what he wants. It's unfortunate, but clearly he's not stopping until he drops dead or is paralyzed.

The worst part of this deal is in the booking. You fucking KNOW Jeff Jarrett thinks, in his own naive mind, that Jarrett vs Angle would garner more interest and draw better than Angle vs. Joe.

Let me type that again for posterity.

Kurt Angle vs. Samoa Joe.

fuck.

In the meantime, TNA still ain't ready for primetime. To send out awesome awesome wrestlers tonight and have them work a match centered around one guy nearly shitting his pants for ten minutes, and to have X-division guys throwing around blow-up dolls is inexcusably stupid, and it makes them look like WWE-lite. If they want to be a wrestling company, focus on that. It's interesting that the last night booked by the old crew seems to pay homage to the Vince Russo style of booking.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Singing big stars in and of itself isn't really a problem, I don't think. The way they are going about it though, is the problem. Back during the Monday Night Wars era, it was something to steal a wrestler from the opposing company. Today it makes TNA look hardup for any talent they can find.[/QUOTE]

I have to disagree a bit. Right now TNA needs that star power in order to get the mainstream fans who are watching RAW/Smackdown/ECW to start tuning more into TNA's product. Is Angle that person to do the job? I'd love to see that happen as long as Kurt can stay healthy. He certainly can if he protects himself well enough help establish the new blood of the industry that is coming up in TNA.

But in all honestly about that.... TNA needs to drop the whole Jackass shit in the X Division. My comment a page or two back that I made during the PPV in regards to the X Division title match's ending speaks volumes.

The match ended with two of the other X Division members coming to the ring with a gigantic sized doll. It was lame.

I will say that the Ultimate X Tag match lived up to the hype. It was exciting, thrilling, edge of your seat action that TNA needs a LOT more of. Sadly outside of that match and the last few minutes this PPV (even with a match with Raven for god sakes) was okayish and nowhere near the level that last week's WWE RAW PPV was at.... did I just say that?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
Kurt Angle vs. Samoa Joe.[/QUOTE]

Ugh, no!

Kurt Angle taking bootwashes and kicks to the chest and the back of the neck?

No, no, and hell no!
 
[quote name='mykevermin']It's interesting that the last night booked by the old crew seems to pay homage to the Vince Russo style of booking.[/QUOTE]

I have hope that the TNA 2006 Vince Russo is not the WCW 2000 Vince Russo. I have a feeling that the next few Impacts are going to be very interesting indeed.
 
[quote name='2Fast']The only addition TNA needs is a subtraction - Jeff Jarrett.[/QUOTE]

JJ at midcard level is a good thing not a bad thing. He's got the in ring skill, personality, and mic level that should not be ignored. But even as a Jeff Jarrett mark he is NOT main event calibar to me. He needs to realize that and let those who are main event calibar finally step up.
 
Back to a lighter note, I loved the "jobber" chants during the Bobby Roode match. :lol:

But otherwise, the crowd in the match was deader than the crowd during Rob Conway's entrances. :lol:

Brother Runt really botched the stomp, but seeing the Ultimate X match really saved all the shortcomings of the PPV.
 
[quote name='Saucy Jack']....but seeing the Ultimate X match really saved all the shortcomings of the PPV.[/QUOTE]

QFT.

If anything the one match I want to see Angle in TNA do is....

Angle vs Raven in a House Of Fun match.... on PPV of course! :D \\:D/ :D \\:D/
 
WTF? I had heard of the rumors of Angle going the MMA route, but TNA? Either way, the guy needs to do some serious healing before he tries anything.
 
I'm glad it was mentioned.

As much as I like CKY / Bam / Jackass, I hate this whole Jackass wrestling thing.

I mean, Jay Lethal vs. Petey Williams could have been great, but that whole
laxative
nonsense ruined the match.

Also, is it just me or does "A-1 Steak Sauce" :lol: look a bit like Gene Snitsky?
 
[quote name='onetrackmind']My list was based on a lot of things. Things like ability, charisma, mic work, gimmick were all judged. Also i tried to take in concideration on how much i liked someone during a specific gimmick. For example Papa Shango, Kama, Godfather: I loved the Papa Shango gimmick as a kid and thought it was bad ass. hes a terrible wrestler but since i liked his gimmick so much he placed higher on the list. On the other hand i hated the godfather gimmick and the kama gimmick so those also factor in my decision. If that makes any sense.[/quote]

Yeah, it makes sense. I was just curious as to how you went about compiling a top 100. Good work.
 
As reported earlier, WWE released The Boogeyman (Marty Wright) this afternoon. The release was a bit of surprise since they had been pushing his return on Smackdown relatively hard up until a few weeks ago when it was abruptly forgotten. The reason he was let go was because he upset management.

Wright had been out of action since April due to bicep injury. WWE officials weren't pleased with his commitment - or lack thereof - to get into better physical condition during rehab. The feeling was that he was doing the bare minimum in regards to getting back into shape. Also, he missed several doctor checkups in which he was supposed to go to. Management warned him about this on a few occasions, and when he didn't change his behavior, they decided to let him go.

Wright got his foot in the door via Tough Enough 4 in October 2004. He was kicked out of the competition for lying about his age, but WWE decided to give him a developmental contract two months later anyways. He developed his "Boogeyman" persona in Ohio Valley Wrestling during the summer of 2005. He appeared on a few Smackdown house shows, but he hyperextended both knees, thus delaying his television debut. The Boogeyman finally made his TV debut in October 2005. He stalked a bunch of people, ate worms and soundly defeated several lower card wrestlers before feuding with JBL and Booker T. During the week prior to Wrestlemania 22, The Boogeyman tore his left biceps during a warm-up house show match with Booker T. There was some thought given to cancelling the match, but it ultimately took place and he defeated Booker T & Sharmell in a handicap match in what would ultimately be his last appearance in WWE. A few days later, Wright was put back on the injured list as he had to have surgery to repair his left biceps tear. Several vignettes were shown on Smackdown during the last month and half to hype his return, but that's obviously off the cards now. The Boogeyman went undefeated throughout his entire time in WWE.
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Interesting

Oh and how about that Kurt Freakin Angle in TNA. Well, I better get my tickets to that PPV in Plymouth, MI sooner than later!
 
If anyone thinks that Kurt aint got it anymore, look at some of his matches from the past two years, while wrestling injured.

WM 21 between him and Michaels anyone?
 
[quote name='OzCatter']If anyone thinks that Kurt aint got it anymore, look at some of his matches from the past two years, while wrestling injured.

WM 21 between him and Michaels anyone?[/quote]

No one is saying that... what we're all saying is Kurt's various injuries are real, oh they're damn real, and the rumors that if he continues to wrestle and ignore his injuries he's headed for an early grave, are so strong that there has to be some legitamacy to them.
 
[quote name='OzCatter']If anyone thinks that Kurt aint got it anymore, look at some of his matches from the past two years, while wrestling injured.

WM 21 between him and Michaels anyone?[/QUOTE]

Hell, that was 18 months ago. How about Angle/Undertaker at this year's No Way Out?

You're making a strawman argument; I hope you know that. NOBODY (let me repeat myself) - NOBODY is saying "Kurt ain't got it."

Show me who's saying "Kurt ain't got it."

Those who are ambivalent about TNA signing Kurt Angle aren't ambivalent for the quality of matches he can put on. They're concerned that he's going to paralyze himself, or worse. They're concerned for his well-being as a human, not how much they will or won't be entertained by his matches. This isn't Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Eugene tagging up; we KNOW Angle can still go.

We also know that Angle has enough skeletons in his closet that the WWE let him go, despite him being a top draw for over 6 years, and getting a fresh wind as a "shoot" style wrestler on ECW. This is not a decision they made flippantly; this would be like the WWF firing The Milllion-Dollar Man, or Bret Hart, or any number of top-draw guys at the peaks of their careers. You can infer from this that there is something SERIOUSLY fucked up in Angle right now, that even the WWE doesn't want him on their watch.

So, your argument is bullshit. We aren't saying he can't wrestle. We are saying he will kill himself doing so.
 
As much as I don't like seeing Angle go to wrestle before healing, this is what TNA wanted. I never watched before, but with Angle, who is in my top 5 of all time, I will be watching TNA every week. I've wanted to start earlier, but this just gives me that little push towards actually doing it that I wanted/needed.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']I'm still scratching my head on this, how did he get out of the no-compete clause in his WWE contract?[/QUOTE]

He clearly didn't have one.
 
is this tna news official? wherres the link. im trying not to go back through posts until i see the ppv


holy shit just went to tnawrestling site and shows angle... holy crap 9pm? hell fucking yea

OMG!! PROMO!!! fukk i feel so behind
 
so i guess this card is not accurate for an upcoming japan show..

Triple H & Shawn Michaels vs. Edge with Lita & Randy Orton
ERVD vs. Big Show
ESabu vs. Kurt Angle - ECW Rules
EKane vs. Umaga With Alejandro
ETommy Dreamer vs. Test
ECarlito vs. Johnny Nitro With Melina
ESandman vs. Mike Knoxx With Kelly
EHighlanders vs. Spirit Squad
EBalls Mahoney vs. CM Punk
 
PART 3 OF THE SCOTT HALL INTERVIEW

Wade Keller: At the meeting with Vince (McMahon where you proposed the Razor Ramon gimmick), did you sense there was any apprehension about letting you create your own gimmick?

Scott Hall: But he owned it.

Keller: So it didn’t matter then who came up with it. He was cool with that.

Razor Ramon
Hall: I created it, but he copyrighted it. See, you gotta understand about Vince at that time, had I already licensed Razor Ramon, he wouldn’t have used it. He was pretty brutal. I was one of the first guys to ask Vince for more royalties. He told me no. Before I left Vince to WCW, I said, “Can I work in Japan?” Let me have four weeks a year in Japan. I wanna work for you; let me work in Japan. I said, “Vince, I know there is only so much box office money, only so much pay–per–view money, so let me work in Japan. I still wanna work for you. Let me work there. It’s their money. It’s not yours. You see, back then it was a private company. So if you made more money, Vince made less—and that’s the way he looked at it. It was coming out of his pocket. So then he went, “No.” I said, “Well, sh––, Vince, I ain’t no mathematician, but what about like if you move that point over a little bit on the royalties, the Hall family would really benefit. Would the Vince McMahon even notice the difference?” He went, “Well, no. Maybe in the future, but I’ll give you the same thing I give Taker and Shawn (Michaels) and Diesel” and blah blah blah. I went in with two offers and he turned me down.

Keller: Did it ever come up in conversation with other top guys about forming a union or some sort of organized labor, either official or just grouping together and going in as a group saying, “Vince, we want a bigger merchandise cut”?

Hall: Well, the closest thing was the Clique. But, you gotta remember, too, with independent contracts, promoters are slick. If I was a promoter, this is what I’d do. I’d go to my top few guys and I’d say, “Look, I’m gonna take care of you and f––– these other guys.” Right? Why would you ever let anybody unionize, right?

Keller: That’s the whole key—make sure the guys who make 90 percent of the difference are 100 percent happy.

Hall: Yeah, if you take care of the top guys, f––– the other guys. One thing I always remember about Vince, too. I remember my first match in Madison Square Garden; it was with Randy Savage. Half way sold out. My last match there wasn’t a pay–per-view and it was sold out, which makes me proud. The music is playing, Vince is there, and I’m stretching, waiting to go out. And he goes, no wait. Make ‘em wait. So I went out and all that. Blah blah blah. We had our match. It was what it was. I beat Randy. But, the feeling I got was before you go through the curtain, you’re a big star. Then when you come back through the curtain, you’re lucky to have a job because there are twenty guys who would do it for less. So keep that in mind. And you better pack your bags and get to the next town. Which is all fair, you know. I signed on for it, you know?

Keller: Do you followed the UFC at all?

Hall: I’ve been starting to watch it.

Keller: Because, they’re pay structure is the same thing. Chuck Liddell gets $250K plus a massive pay-per–view bonus percentage, and you go two spots down on the card and the top payoffs are between two thousand and ten thousand.

Hall: Well, good. F––– them. Whatever. Who’s making all the money? Dana White and his partners.

Keller: And they poured a lot of money into it. They lost a lot of money with no guarantee of a return.

Hall: Those guys are beating the f––– out of each other and they ain’t making nothin’.

Keller: The lower guys don’t make a lot, but Dana White’s attitude is, everyone is happy because they’re making more than they could make anywhere else. I think that was Vince’s attitude. If you’re not happy, go see how if the grass is greener elsewhere.

Hall: You have to remember, there is nowhere else to go. There is no place to go, unless you’re bad ass enough to go to Japan. There’s K1 or one of the bad sons of *****es who go over there, because they’re all heavyweights. The UFC guys are all like 205. You go to K1 and they’re big sons of guns.

Keller: Pride actually has a heavyweight division and UFC has three guys who are not even at the same level as the top guys in Pride.

Hall: Well, the heavyweights are brutal. At 205 is the money weight. I watched Liddell the other night and I thought it sucks. It was so short.

Keller: That’s one of the downsides of UFC. You end up with no guarnatee you’re going to see (a good fight). It’s like boxing. You don’t have a guarantee that it’s going to be competitive. At least with wrestling, Vince’s contention is that wrestling will outlast MMA, mixed martial arts, “because we have control over the storylines.” Dana White’s response is, “You can’t create reality better than actual reality.” The problem is, with UFC, you know there’s a chance there’s going to be a letdown. It’s just like the Super Bowl. It might be 35 to 3, or it might be 6 to 3, or it might be a classic. It depends on whether fans are willing to be patient and take the good with the bad.

Hall: See, I always enjoyed the drama. See, I never had a problem, like I told you before—I don’t care if it’s real or not real, is it fun or not fun? I don’t care about all them crazy naked rear chokelocks and all them armbars and all that sh––. I mean, is it fun, is it not fun, did you get your forty bucks worth or not? Cause, I’ll tell you what, with that Liddell thing, that sh–– ended, and then they always have some preliminary guys who you don’t even want to watch. Liddell knocked the punk out so early, then they had some other guy and I turned it off. I didn’t even wanna watch these guys.

Keller: That’s the tough part with UFC. There’s good and bad with it being real. The good is, you know it’s real, so to a lot of people it makes a difference. Then, to other people, they’re going to stick with pro wrestling because they know the main event is going to come last and they know it’s going to go 15, 20 minutes. At least in wrestling if it’s not a good show, you actually have someone to blame. In UFC, if it’s not a good show, sometimes it’s just the way the cards fell that day.

Hall: Ask (Ken) Shamrock what he likes better.

Keller: I’d think he likes MMA better.

Hall: Because he’s trying to get his rep back.

Keller: That’s where his natural passion lies. That’s where he’s a hero in wrestling. He was kind of just another guy who wasn’t pushed quite right (in the WWF) and he didn’t quite know how to… Ken’s one of those guys, when you were talking about promos earlier, Ken’s one of those guys who did a great promo in the mixed martial arts world when he was being himself. Not to compare him to Jake Roberts, but in that same sense, he would just talk calm, with confidence, authoritatively, and he didn’t yell. Then he got to WWF and they had him do these yelling and screaming promos.

Hall: Yeah, the angry guy interviews. I just hate angry guy interviews.

Keller: You had mentioned size, and 205 is where it’s at in UFC. I wanted to talk for one second as a sidebar about light-heavyweight wrestlers. When 1-2–3 Kid came along, that was a huge break from WWF tradition that he got a push. So, talk a little bit about the dynamic you had with him, which I’d say broke a size barrier in wrestling. And then talk in general about whether you think smaller guys have a chance to draw money, but just aren’t given the chance.
Hall: I’ll tell you one thing that led to that, when I first started working with Shawn Michaels, he had come out of that tag team situation. I came in and was working with Shawn, but he’d still have to do spots where one dropkick, double dropkick to get guys down. Because I was considered a pretty big guy. But when I worked with Sean, I said f––– that, man. I used to go down off a punch. To me, if you can’t get in trouble, then you’re not worth any money. You’re limited the number of opponents you can work with. See, you’ve never been in the ring with Kid, obviously, because Kid will knock your teeth out. Kid is a crowbar. So, I’d rather work with Kev (Nash) than Kid. But I learned to sell. Plus, I learned from Ricky Steamboat that when you’re selling, guess what? The camera’s on you, bro. You want the camera on you. So, let the guy whip my ass. Put his sh–– over, because I’ll tell you one thing, it’s a relationship. The better you sell for the guy, of course, the better he’s gonna give you a comeback, you know. Then you do whatever the boss tells you to do for the finish.
Keller: What made the dynamic with you and 1–2–3 Kid work so well on camera, because historically, I don’t think it gets enough credit for what it changed. Small guys had worked with big guys before, but that was just one of the more successful angles and it broke from what had been the tradition in the WWF. A skinny guy like Sean would not have gotten a push at any other time. What was it about him that made Vince give him the opportunity to get a push?
Hall: Six months before we did the angle with Kid, Vince called me into his office and he goes, “Scott…” Actually, he always called me Razor. He said, “Razor, the people are starting to chant your name in towns. I know you hear it. We gotta do something about it.”
He said, “I don’t want to turn you babyface like every other f–––in’ guy where we run in and make a save or some sh–– like that. I got this guy who weighs a hundred and twenty pounds soaking wet.” Back then, remember when Global (Wrestling Federation) was on (ESPN)? He said, “I’ve seen this kid in Texas.” I said, “Lightning Kid?” He said, “Yeah, yeah, you know him?” I said, “I don’t know him, but I’ve seen him and I love him.”
I said, “You know when he got over with me, Vince?” Because in Global, on the outside, he got thrown out. He had a 20 count to get back in. Instead of ten, it was twenty. So I’m watching the match one time and some guy throws kid out to the floor. Back then, he looked like he was nine. So what he does is, the referee is going “two, three, four…” But Kid knows it’s twenty, right? So he lays on his side, puts his elbow under his head, and makes the referee count to eighteen-and-a-half, then he rolls in. When I saw that, I went, “This f–––in’ guy knows.” Because it was just heat. Plus he could go. So when Vince said that, he says, “Look, we’re gonna do this thing. This guy is gonna beat ya’. Then six weeks later, you keep offering him money, six weeks later we’re gonna have a rematch for ten grand. He’s not going to beat you, but he’s going to steal the money and run away. Then what we’re gonna do…” This was before we did live TV when we used to syndicated market interviews. He said, “Every heel, no matter what they say about their opponent, right at the end, they’re going to go, ‘Oh, speaking of losers, Razor Ramon, what a loser.’” So then he told me, six months ahead of time, you’ll work with, I think, (Ted) DiBiase at Summerslam. Just beat him with your finish. And that’s what I did. But what worked so cool was all the heels, when you get people talking about ya’, that’s better than being on TV. So all the other heels kept burying me. Pretty soon, I didn’t change, the fans changed. That’s the most important thing about turning. Chief Jay Strongbow taught me that. You don’t change, the people change. You don’t change a move, you don’t change nothing, you stay the same. You can’t be slappin’ hands and all that sh––. Pretty soon, the fans started going, “We don’t like you, Razor, but we can’t let him say that about ya’.” It built for six weeks. We had the rematch. Kid ran off with the money. I don’t know, man, it launched his career.
Keller: Yes it did. Were you ever hesitant to sell for somebody of his size?
Hall: No, not at all.
Keller: A lot of guys would be who didn’t understand.
Hall: No. I always prided myself on trying to be a television entertainer. It’s sports entertainment. I broke in when it was ‘rasslin, then Vince made it sports entertainment. I was very happy to be a part of sports entertainment. I had no problem with that. I had no problem with that. I’ll tell ya’ what, when Kid beat me on Raw, seventy percent of the people thought it was a shoot. I’ve had guys in Mexico tell me, “Man, his thigh hit you in the head. We thought you were knocked out.” If you look at the audience picture, there were actually people with their hands on their heads going, “Oh my god!”
Keller: It was an amazing moment in Raw history.
Hall: Let me tell you this. I remember asking Vince, “Should I jump up and go, ‘No, no! Two!’” He goes, “No. Don’t do that. You have to say it was a fluke, but you have to be beat.” Which is crucial. If I jumped up and went, “No, two! Two!” I had to lay there and get beat, then jump up and go, “What the f–––!” It was the highlight of my career. I’ve done lots of jobs. I mean, I don’t care about losing. I’m one of them cats who can lay there and lose and they still chant my name. I ain’t blowing my own horn, but check the footage.
Keller: Promoters took advantage of that a little bit, I think, over time, where you were so confident you could survive a job that I think you kind of became a guy they would go to more often than maybe was best.
Hall: Well, one thing, too, that the Wolf Pac innovated was, if you beat one of us, you beat all three of us. Because, how could you beat Kid, with me and Kev on the apron. F––– no, we’d make the save. So we invented the pin all three guys. I don’t think anybody in history has ever done that. You can’t find three top heels who would all lay down on a pay–per–view. We did it, and we did it repeatedly. We did it at house shows. We didn’t care. You know why? Because it was the right thing to do. We always thought about giving the people their money’s worth. You know what I always thought about—you know, by the time the people get to the parking lot, man, they aren’t talking about who won or who lost. They’re going, “Man, what a great show. I’m coming back next time.” I mean, they may be talking about who won or lost, and it doesn’t matter, but I want ‘em saying, “Wow, what a show. I’m coming back next time.”
Keller: Do you think with UFC pushing the smaller guys who are shorter than Waltman and in most cases thicker than Waltman, but just in general size-wise, they walk down the street in street clothes, and they look like they go to the gym, but a lot of average guys think they could take him in a bar fight. That really gets in the way of Vince McMahon promoting smaller guys. When it comes down to it, you get your money’s worth if a smaller guy who’s a great athlete and has a good personality and he knows how to work smart—not just doing a bunch of spots to do a bunch of spots—I think a smaller guy can make money, but I get the feeling Vince doesn’t think that or he doesn’t have time for them. I think he could learn from UFC and learn from what happened with Waltman that the public doesn’t care. Like you said, they just want their money’s worth.
Hall: Well, first of all, Kid’s way different than anybody you’ll ever meet. Have you ever met Vince face to face?
Keller: Yes, several times..
Hall: He’s a big man. When he’s taking supplements, he’s even bigger. And Vince has always preferred big men. Back before all the cool commercials and all the different ways to get guys over, you had to parade your guys around in public appearances and they had to be big, scary looking muscle guys. Hulk carried Cyndi Lauper to the Emmys in a tuxedo with the sleeves cut off. I mean, Tacky McTacky. But you gotta remember, that’s the way we did business back then. I ain’t knocking Hulk (Hogan) at all because I love Hulk. But I’m saying that the way business was done back then. But now, I don’t know. I still think Vince prefers big guys.
 
OMG!!!

Former RAW General Manager Eric Bischoff has been seen wandering around Ford Arena – the site of tonight’s RAW.

What is so surprising about Bischoff’s presence is that he hasn’t been involved with WWE since he was fired last December by Mr. McMahon. So why is Bischoff showing up now? Perhaps, it’s because the WWE Chairman and Shane McMahon are out of commission from the beating they suffered at Unforgiven; with no GM on RAW to take control while the McMahons recover, there’s an opening for someone to take over. Is Bischoff trying to move back into WWE while the McMahons are recovering? If so, how does Jonathan Coachman feel about this?

Hopefully this question will be answered on RAW tonight at 9/8 CT on the USA Network.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']OMG!!!

Former RAW General Manager Eric Bischoff has been seen wandering around Ford Arena – the site of tonight’s RAW.

What is so surprising about Bischoff’s presence is that he hasn’t been involved with WWE since he was fired last December by Mr. McMahon. So why is Bischoff showing up now? Perhaps, it’s because the WWE Chairman and Shane McMahon are out of commission from the beating they suffered at Unforgiven; with no GM on RAW to take control while the McMahons recover, there’s an opening for someone to take over. Is Bischoff trying to move back into WWE while the McMahons are recovering? If so, how does Jonathan Coachman feel about this?

Hopefully this question will be answered on RAW tonight at 9/8 CT on the USA Network.[/quote]

I hope Bischoff will stay, as for this story, they mentioned someone would be taking over when they were airing Raw A.M. sunday morning.

As for Angle, just read about it, it seems he waved the no-compete clause (basically a extra $500,000 not to wrestle) when he left. He must've been pissed at WWE if he didn't take the money.
 
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