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Impact -
Except for Flair-Foley, this sucked a dick. The show opened with Abyss slowly carrying Dixie out to the ring while she said stuff and he told her to smell his power. Then he asked which he preferred - Janice or Bob - GET IT, CUZ THEY'RE HER PARENTS! This went on forever, then Bischoff came out, acted like it was a shoot by telling them to cut the feed. They kept shooting stuff. Then Bischoff and Abyss had a debate. At some point, Dixie demanded that Abyss be fired.
ING FINALLY. The guy nearly murders people and NOW since Abyss...dragged her AND JUST LET HER GO because fat agents said to, now she wants revenge. She tells Eric to fire Abyss, he agrees, then RVD says he wants his chance to get revenge in the most boring way possible, then Dixie tells him to get revenge FOR HER oh and him too. See, she got dragged around by her wrist - that's much worse than being gutted, or branded like that dude that Abyss stripped.
Pope, Sting, and Bischoff cut a promo about nothing making sense. Then they said tons of stuff that made no sense. Sting admitted that this whole deal is because of his issue with Hogan - AN ISSUE THAT BEGAN IN 1996! They showed video of Hogan using a walker and generally looking unbelievably feeble to explain him not being at BFG. Just as well - his match would've maybe been fourth from the top, and Hogan shouldn't be coming back weeks after back surgery for that kind of spot. Still, they killed any aura Hogan had with these videos. It's sad enough when Hogan posts this stuff on TwitVid, but it's another for TNA to do it on global TV.
Flair and Foley pulled out every trick they could think of - crazy bumps, a barb wire board, tacks, and a shitload of blood. Plus, they used Foley's new book, which Flair assaulted him with - leading to Foley selling a hardcover thanks to TNA. Well, that makes one sold. Then Flair hopped up and down on the book - THAT ruled. Oh, and JB called it a falls count anywhere match, and they missed the finish. Taz and Tenay had no idea it happened, then it was shown that Flair GOT UP DURING THE COUNT, but Flair flopped and Earl just kept counting. Then Flair, AFTER A LAST MAN STANDING MATCH, just got up, walked around, cursed at the crowd, and led Fortune to beat up Foley while EV2 came out to run them off. This didn't do a goddamn thing to make me want to see Lethal Lockdown.
EY and OJ were on this, THE BIGGEST IMPACT...since the last big one, for no good reason other than to provide card filler at the PPV. And boy what a way to hype that up - we got one of the worst tag matches on TV all year and WE GET TO SEE IT AGAIN. CALL YOUR CABLE COMPANIES NOW. They built up their winning record on Xplosion by showing them losing. EY has either terrible new real tattoos or fake ones - not exactly sure. The Guns and Gen Me weren't hyped up as wrestling on the PPV, but don't worry - ERIC YOUNG AND ORLANDO JORDAN will be there to showcase TNA's fantastic tag division. EY mentioning PWI's tag rankings was cute - but this was unbearable.
The Shore debuted anding sucked. This is the lowest-level knock-off you can get of Jersey Shore. I'd call it a Z-rate copy, but that would insult Zack Ryder, who plays this whole deal perfectly. Oh, and Mickie's going to officiate the four-way match of skanks, hos, and bitches for the knockouts title so she can contend for it and win all the major women's belts. KOs tag belts - buried. They aired a "hype" video for BFG with everyone talking in monotone. Didn't do anything to make me want to see the PPV.
The Before the Glory Bound For Glory $100,000 Gauntlet-Style Battle Royal, beyond having way too many words to describe it, was way too damned busy. Guys would do stuff, they'd cut away three seconds later, and then more guys would do stuff. Abyss got the Diesel push of a billion eliminations. Nash wrestled in this in jeans, a T-shirt, and white and baby blue sneakers. Joe wrestled in a T-shirt as well. DOES ANYONE GIVE A IN THIS COMPANY? Can't say as I blame anyone for not giving there all though - there's no point in doing so since whatever you sacrifice won't be repaid in anyway by the company. It's a shame Tommy didn't win the battle royal - if he won, he'd definitely be able to feed his family on what TNA's paying him. RVD, who WAS GUTTED LIKE A FISH IN HIS BIG INJURY ANGLE. Came back ON FREE TV. I saw this coming when they first said the match was going to feature everyone on BFG, and especially when he came out earlier tonight in his gear, but this was stupid. Not as stupid as it could have been since they didn't do a whole lot, but still stupid. Angle won the Monopoly money.
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10-7-10 - The date IT WORKED!
Reaction -
Reaction was something else. Flair's promo was the craziesting thing, and ruled. Raven's promo was great. Sabu looked roughly 4,000 years old. Raven looked slightly younger. Foley said ho ho ho, then they exposed a taped portion of the LIVE show by having the tape rewind over a voice over. Mickie got cut off, they mis-spelled her name, they went back and she just rambled on for eons. She's got some dent in the middle of her forehead - never noticed that before, but it's not too shocking since TNA always finds a way to make people look worse with these Reaction-style promos. Kinda surprised that RVD-Abyss wasn't mentioned at all on Reaction. Loved the "HAPPY BIRTHDAY AJ STYLES" sign shown during the Angle-Anderson brawl.
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KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!
Quotes -
Flair - WE’RE GETTING IN THE BIGGEST LIMO, FULL OF WOMEN AND BOOZE! AND WE’RE GOING TO DAYTONA. NOBODY BEAT ME. Last man standing isn’t 1-2-3.
Flair - Hundred grand? I’ve spent that going to the restroom!
AJ - It’s not about winning and losing - it’s about making money.
Flair - IF I KISS ANYONE’S ASS, IT’LL BE DIXIE’S!
Flair - WE CAN DANCE ALL NIGHT AND DANCE A LITTLE BIT LONGER. GRAB YOUR DRESS AND THROW IT IN THE CORNER.
Flair - Foley’s going around the country selling a book and no one’s buying. His best-selling and best-wrestling days are long behind him.
Mickie - I’m here to go after the champion - and right now, that’s Madison.
Foley - FORTUNE PEED IN OUR EGGNOG!
Impact -
Except for Flair-Foley, this sucked a dick. The show opened with Abyss slowly carrying Dixie out to the ring while she said stuff and he told her to smell his power. Then he asked which he preferred - Janice or Bob - GET IT, CUZ THEY'RE HER PARENTS! This went on forever, then Bischoff came out, acted like it was a shoot by telling them to cut the feed. They kept shooting stuff. Then Bischoff and Abyss had a debate. At some point, Dixie demanded that Abyss be fired.
ING FINALLY. The guy nearly murders people and NOW since Abyss...dragged her AND JUST LET HER GO because fat agents said to, now she wants revenge. She tells Eric to fire Abyss, he agrees, then RVD says he wants his chance to get revenge in the most boring way possible, then Dixie tells him to get revenge FOR HER oh and him too. See, she got dragged around by her wrist - that's much worse than being gutted, or branded like that dude that Abyss stripped. Pope, Sting, and Bischoff cut a promo about nothing making sense. Then they said tons of stuff that made no sense. Sting admitted that this whole deal is because of his issue with Hogan - AN ISSUE THAT BEGAN IN 1996! They showed video of Hogan using a walker and generally looking unbelievably feeble to explain him not being at BFG. Just as well - his match would've maybe been fourth from the top, and Hogan shouldn't be coming back weeks after back surgery for that kind of spot. Still, they killed any aura Hogan had with these videos. It's sad enough when Hogan posts this stuff on TwitVid, but it's another for TNA to do it on global TV.
Flair and Foley pulled out every trick they could think of - crazy bumps, a barb wire board, tacks, and a shitload of blood. Plus, they used Foley's new book, which Flair assaulted him with - leading to Foley selling a hardcover thanks to TNA. Well, that makes one sold. Then Flair hopped up and down on the book - THAT ruled. Oh, and JB called it a falls count anywhere match, and they missed the finish. Taz and Tenay had no idea it happened, then it was shown that Flair GOT UP DURING THE COUNT, but Flair flopped and Earl just kept counting. Then Flair, AFTER A LAST MAN STANDING MATCH, just got up, walked around, cursed at the crowd, and led Fortune to beat up Foley while EV2 came out to run them off. This didn't do a goddamn thing to make me want to see Lethal Lockdown.
EY and OJ were on this, THE BIGGEST IMPACT...since the last big one, for no good reason other than to provide card filler at the PPV. And boy what a way to hype that up - we got one of the worst tag matches on TV all year and WE GET TO SEE IT AGAIN. CALL YOUR CABLE COMPANIES NOW. They built up their winning record on Xplosion by showing them losing. EY has either terrible new real tattoos or fake ones - not exactly sure. The Guns and Gen Me weren't hyped up as wrestling on the PPV, but don't worry - ERIC YOUNG AND ORLANDO JORDAN will be there to showcase TNA's fantastic tag division. EY mentioning PWI's tag rankings was cute - but this was unbearable.
The Shore debuted and
ing sucked. This is the lowest-level knock-off you can get of Jersey Shore. I'd call it a Z-rate copy, but that would insult Zack Ryder, who plays this whole deal perfectly. Oh, and Mickie's going to officiate the four-way match of skanks, hos, and bitches for the knockouts title so she can contend for it and win all the major women's belts. KOs tag belts - buried. They aired a "hype" video for BFG with everyone talking in monotone. Didn't do anything to make me want to see the PPV.The Before the Glory Bound For Glory $100,000 Gauntlet-Style Battle Royal, beyond having way too many words to describe it, was way too damned busy. Guys would do stuff, they'd cut away three seconds later, and then more guys would do stuff. Abyss got the Diesel push of a billion eliminations. Nash wrestled in this in jeans, a T-shirt, and white and baby blue sneakers. Joe wrestled in a T-shirt as well. DOES ANYONE GIVE A
IN THIS COMPANY? Can't say as I blame anyone for not giving there all though - there's no point in doing so since whatever you sacrifice won't be repaid in anyway by the company. It's a shame Tommy didn't win the battle royal - if he won, he'd definitely be able to feed his family on what TNA's paying him. RVD, who WAS GUTTED LIKE A FISH IN HIS BIG INJURY ANGLE. Came back ON FREE TV. I saw this coming when they first said the match was going to feature everyone on BFG, and especially when he came out earlier tonight in his gear, but this was stupid. Not as stupid as it could have been since they didn't do a whole lot, but still stupid. Angle won the Monopoly money.Screens -
10-7-10 - The date IT WORKED!
Reaction -
Reaction was something else. Flair's promo was the craziest
ing thing, and ruled. Raven's promo was great. Sabu looked roughly 4,000 years old. Raven looked slightly younger. Foley said ho ho ho, then they exposed a taped portion of the LIVE show by having the tape rewind over a voice over. Mickie got cut off, they mis-spelled her name, they went back and she just rambled on for eons. She's got some dent in the middle of her forehead - never noticed that before, but it's not too shocking since TNA always finds a way to make people look worse with these Reaction-style promos. Kinda surprised that RVD-Abyss wasn't mentioned at all on Reaction. Loved the "HAPPY BIRTHDAY AJ STYLES" sign shown during the Angle-Anderson brawl.Screens -
KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!
Quotes -
Flair - WE’RE GETTING IN THE BIGGEST LIMO, FULL OF WOMEN AND BOOZE! AND WE’RE GOING TO DAYTONA. NOBODY BEAT ME. Last man standing isn’t 1-2-3.
Flair - Hundred grand? I’ve spent that going to the restroom!
AJ - It’s not about winning and losing - it’s about making money.
Flair - IF I KISS ANYONE’S ASS, IT’LL BE DIXIE’S!
Flair - WE CAN DANCE ALL NIGHT AND DANCE A LITTLE BIT LONGER. GRAB YOUR DRESS AND THROW IT IN THE CORNER.
Flair - Foley’s going around the country selling a book and no one’s buying. His best-selling and best-wrestling days are long behind him.
Mickie - I’m here to go after the champion - and right now, that’s Madison.
Foley - FORTUNE PEED IN OUR EGGNOG!
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New legends announced for SvR 2011:
Superfly Jimmy Snuka
Jake The Snake Roberts
Terry Funk
...two more legends to be revealed, and on the website, their roster 'images' are not adjacent to each other. I have lost hope that it's Demolition.
Superfly Jimmy Snuka
Jake The Snake Roberts
Terry Funk
...two more legends to be revealed, and on the website, their roster 'images' are not adjacent to each other. I have lost hope that it's Demolition.
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[quote name='mykevermin']New legends announced for SvR 2011:
Superfly Jimmy Snuka
Jake The Snake Roberts
Terry Funk
...two more legends to be revealed, and on the website, their roster 'images' are not adjacent to each other. I have lost hope that it's Demolition.[/QUOTE]The last two have never been in a SvR game(I believe. The rumors regarding this game have been all over the place). Some say Steamboat's in, some say it's a different WCW legend, others believe DDP, etc..
I'm still hella pissed that Bret Hart is a Best Buy exclusive since if I get SvR11 at launch, it's at K-Mart because of the $20 gaming credit.
Superfly Jimmy Snuka
Jake The Snake Roberts
Terry Funk
...two more legends to be revealed, and on the website, their roster 'images' are not adjacent to each other. I have lost hope that it's Demolition.
[/QUOTE]The last two have never been in a SvR game(I believe. The rumors regarding this game have been all over the place). Some say Steamboat's in, some say it's a different WCW legend, others believe DDP, etc.. I'm still hella pissed that Bret Hart is a Best Buy exclusive since if I get SvR11 at launch, it's at K-Mart because of the $20 gaming credit.
[quote name='strongpimphand']This....is the company yall always talk about???
I tuned in an hour ago....and I haven't seen anything that has made me stare at the screen...except that knockoff jersey shore girl. I'd her.
And is that how those people on jersey shore act??? Another show I'd feel ashamed to watch....
Yall can have it[/QUOTE]
What are you even talking about? Who always talks about TNA? You can't list 3 names that post in this thread that righteously defend TNA because it doesn't happen.
Damn, you're a fool.
I tuned in an hour ago....and I haven't seen anything that has made me stare at the screen...except that knockoff jersey shore girl. I'd
her. And is that how those people on jersey shore act??? Another show I'd feel ashamed to watch....
Yall can have it[/QUOTE]
What are you even talking about? Who always talks about TNA? You can't list 3 names that post in this thread that righteously defend TNA because it doesn't happen.
Damn, you're a fool.
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Even I the guy who used to be a TNA mark to the extreme... can't defend TNA any more.
[quote name='BlueSwim']The last two have never been in a SvR game(I believe. The rumors regarding this game have been all over the place). Some say Steamboat's in, some say it's a different WCW legend, others believe DDP, etc..
I'm still hella pissed that Bret Hart is a Best Buy exclusive since if I get SvR11 at launch, it's at K-Mart because of the $20 gaming credit.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, if I were a betting man, I'd say Steamboat was one of them.
As for the second one, I'd mark so hard if it were Macho Man. I doubt it, though.
I'm still hella pissed that Bret Hart is a Best Buy exclusive since if I get SvR11 at launch, it's at K-Mart because of the $20 gaming credit.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, if I were a betting man, I'd say Steamboat was one of them.
As for the second one, I'd mark so hard if it were Macho Man. I doubt it, though.
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I went to a couple of TNA shows during the Asylum era and the TNA of now is a shell of its former self. They're a ING joke now. I still hate them for abandoning Nashville. The Nashville fans kept coming out week-after-week to support TNA and then within a few months of getting the Fox Sports Net TV deal and the Universal Studios building, TNA left and never looked back. They do one show a year in Nashville now(usually in association with the Tennessee Titans), if that. And when was their charity show/fundraiser for the victims of the floods Nashville had in May? I would have been more than happy to buy a ticket to a charity event if TNA cared enough about their former home to actually do one.
EDIT: Looks like that one show a year is coming up next month. General admission(bleachers, upper level ones have a shitty railing partially obstructing the view of the ring) are $23 a pop and ringside area is either $39 or a whooping $55. After seeing what TNA churned out tonight, at those prices, it's an easy pass. I long for the days when two front row tickets for Raven vs. Jarrett only cost $25.:lol::lol::lol:
ING joke now. I still hate them for abandoning Nashville. The Nashville fans kept coming out week-after-week to support TNA and then within a few months of getting the Fox Sports Net TV deal and the Universal Studios building, TNA left and never looked back. They do one show a year in Nashville now(usually in association with the Tennessee Titans), if that. And when was their charity show/fundraiser for the victims of the floods Nashville had in May? I would have been more than happy to buy a ticket to a charity event if TNA cared enough about their former home to actually do one.EDIT: Looks like that one show a year is coming up next month. General admission(bleachers, upper level ones have a shitty railing partially obstructing the view of the ring) are $23 a pop and ringside area is either $39 or a whooping $55. After seeing what TNA churned out tonight, at those prices, it's an easy pass. I long for the days when two front row tickets for Raven vs. Jarrett only cost $25.:lol::lol::lol:
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[quote name='Sporadic']This TNA show is the worst wrestling show I have seen in years. I think they are almost to late WCW level.[/QUOTE]
Needs more Edge spearing a laptop and Florence Henderson guest hosting the show along with the "Santino Bunch" match even though there's already a GM.
Needs more Edge spearing a laptop and Florence Henderson guest hosting the show along with the "Santino Bunch" match even though there's already a GM.
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No - that finish at least involved a guy being unable to actually stand.
[quote name='BlueSwim']
EDIT: Looks like that one show a year is coming up next month. General admission(bleachers, upper level ones have a shitty railing partially obstructing the view of the ring) are $23 a pop and ringside area is either $39 or a whooping $55. After seeing what TNA churned out tonight, at those prices, it's an easy pass. I long for the days when two front row tickets for Raven vs. Jarrett only cost $25.:lol::lol::lol:[/QUOTE]
After reading on 411mania about how good TNA house shows are. I would take them over anything involving both Raven and JJ.
EDIT: Looks like that one show a year is coming up next month. General admission(bleachers, upper level ones have a shitty railing partially obstructing the view of the ring) are $23 a pop and ringside area is either $39 or a whooping $55. After seeing what TNA churned out tonight, at those prices, it's an easy pass. I long for the days when two front row tickets for Raven vs. Jarrett only cost $25.:lol::lol::lol:[/QUOTE]
After reading on 411mania about how good TNA house shows are. I would take them over anything involving both Raven and JJ.
[quote name='Trakan']Needs more Edge spearing a laptop and Florence Henderson guest hosting the show along with the "Santino Bunch" match even though there's already a GM.[/QUOTE]
Are you actually trying to defend the shitfest TNA put on last night?
WWE, at it's worst level, isn't anywhere near the trainwreck that was yesterday's Impact.
Are you actually trying to defend the shitfest TNA put on last night?
WWE, at it's worst level, isn't anywhere near the trainwreck that was yesterday's Impact.
[quote name='Sporadic']
WWE, at it's worst level, isn't anywhere near the trainwreck that was yesterday's Impact.[/QUOTE]
I have to agree with this statement. I did like the Foley/Flair match (until the ending) and the Battle Royale was fun (I did like the fact that a "monster" like Abyss was doing "monster" damage). The rest of the show was really bad. Why would OJ and Young get a match in a major PPV? OJ is not that good and Young's current gimmic is just horrible.
As much as I try to like it, TNA just disappoints on so many levels. While, I do feel that Hogan and Bischoff are only there to pad their bank accounts. TNA had blown plenty of goodwill before those two dregs showed up. The sad part is, TNA has plenty of talented people on the roster and their shows have plenty of good to great matches. But too often those matches have the worst endings anyone could ever imagine.
WWE, at it's worst level, isn't anywhere near the trainwreck that was yesterday's Impact.[/QUOTE]
I have to agree with this statement. I did like the Foley/Flair match (until the ending) and the Battle Royale was fun (I did like the fact that a "monster" like Abyss was doing "monster" damage). The rest of the show was really bad. Why would OJ and Young get a match in a major PPV? OJ is not that good and Young's current gimmic is just horrible.
As much as I try to like it, TNA just disappoints on so many levels. While, I do feel that Hogan and Bischoff are only there to pad their bank accounts. TNA had blown plenty of goodwill before those two dregs showed up. The sad part is, TNA has plenty of talented people on the roster and their shows have plenty of good to great matches. But too often those matches have the worst endings anyone could ever imagine.
[quote name='Sporadic']Are you actually trying to defend the shitfest TNA put on last night?
WWE, at it's worst level, isn't anywhere near the trainwreck that was yesterday's Impact.[/QUOTE]
Bingo. It's weird how TNA fans try to deflect valid criticism by bringing up the laptop GM thing or "guest hosts" when neither of those things are nearly as bad as the crap TNA's barfs up on a regular basis.
WWE, at it's worst level, isn't anywhere near the trainwreck that was yesterday's Impact.[/QUOTE]
Bingo. It's weird how TNA fans try to deflect valid criticism by bringing up the laptop GM thing or "guest hosts" when neither of those things are nearly as bad as the crap TNA's barfs up on a regular basis.
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I was chatting with a friend last night to make impact tolerable. This sums up how we both feel.
Us = Charlie Brown
TNA = Lucy holding a football
Us = Charlie Brown
TNA = Lucy holding a football
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[quote name='mogamer']After reading on 411mania about how good TNA house shows are. I would take them over anything involving both Raven and JJ. [/QUOTE]I've heard TNA can throw some pretty good house shows, too. But no RVD, Angle, or Flair...Not sure if want.
k
Raven VS. Jarrett was fantastic live, aside from the
finish and one of the Harris Nazis shoving aside the guard rail straight into SwiMom(she still hates them for that). It's a solid match on TV, but front row, Raven's corner live it was tons of fun. Pasty white boy in a 3-tone blue tie dye t-shirt = Yours truly.:lol::lol::lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN3MopWUFxU
[/QUOTE]I've heard TNA can throw some pretty good house shows, too. But no RVD, Angle, or Flair...Not sure if want.kRaven VS. Jarrett was fantastic live, aside from the
Super Jarrett/Triple J
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN3MopWUFxU
[quote name='Sporadic']Are you actually trying to defend the shitfest TNA put on last night?
WWE, at it's worst level, isn't anywhere near the trainwreck that was yesterday's Impact.[/QUOTE]
I'm not trying to defend last night's show in particular. I do think it got more shit than it deserved though. The Shore thing was terrible, no doubt about it. Last night's show may have had too much talking going on, but RAW is basically 10 minutes of matches every week, and everyone accepts that. I do think TNA is better overall. I would rather watch last night's show than the Edge/laptop shit, Hornswoggle shit, guest host gimmicky garbage, the Santino Bunch match, or John Cena overcoming the odds every week. People actually think that's better?
I'm not saying TNA is perfect. I can also accept the fact that TNA doesn't do everything right. What they put out is far more entertaining to me than the shit WWE puts out. I'm not trying to deflect anything, but when you shit on TNA for something and WWE has done something worse or more ridiculous, I don't get it.
WWE, at it's worst level, isn't anywhere near the trainwreck that was yesterday's Impact.[/QUOTE]
I'm not trying to defend last night's show in particular. I do think it got more shit than it deserved though. The Shore thing was terrible, no doubt about it. Last night's show may have had too much talking going on, but RAW is basically 10 minutes of matches every week, and everyone accepts that. I do think TNA is better overall. I would rather watch last night's show than the Edge/laptop shit, Hornswoggle shit, guest host gimmicky garbage, the Santino Bunch match, or John Cena overcoming the odds every week. People actually think that's better?
I'm not saying TNA is perfect. I can also accept the fact that TNA doesn't do everything right. What they put out is far more entertaining to me than the shit WWE puts out. I'm not trying to deflect anything, but when you shit on TNA for something and WWE has done something worse or more ridiculous, I don't get it.
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[quote name='Trakan']I'm not trying to defend last night's show in particular. I do think it got more shit than it deserved though. The Shore thing was terrible, no doubt about it. Last night's show may have had too much talking going on, but RAW is basically 10 minutes of matches every week, and everyone accepts that. I do think TNA is better overall. I would rather watch last night's show than the Edge/laptop shit, Hornswoggle shit, guest host gimmicky garbage, the Santino Bunch match, or John Cena overcoming the odds every week. People actually think that's better?
I'm not saying TNA is perfect. I can also accept the fact that TNA doesn't do everything right. What they put out is far more entertaining to me than the shit WWE puts out. I'm not trying to deflect anything, but when you shit on TNA for something and WWE has done something worse or more ridiculous, I don't get it.[/QUOTE]
I think the broader point is that people accept WWE won't ever change its ways, and TNA has - still has - a chance to differentiate itself in terms of being an overall wrestling product. It squanders those chances each and every week by being too much like WWE, or too close to WWE in terms of production and presentation.
TNA may be slightly better or slightly worse than WWE. We could debate that until the ends of time. TNA is not run by Vince McMahon, and has a top-to-bottom incredible roster. They therefore have substantial advantages over WWE, so cutting it so close to WWE exposes the company, simply put.
I'm not saying TNA is perfect. I can also accept the fact that TNA doesn't do everything right. What they put out is far more entertaining to me than the shit WWE puts out. I'm not trying to deflect anything, but when you shit on TNA for something and WWE has done something worse or more ridiculous, I don't get it.[/QUOTE]
I think the broader point is that people accept WWE won't ever change its ways, and TNA has - still has - a chance to differentiate itself in terms of being an overall wrestling product. It squanders those chances each and every week by being too much like WWE, or too close to WWE in terms of production and presentation.
TNA may be slightly better or slightly worse than WWE. We could debate that until the ends of time. TNA is not run by Vince McMahon, and has a top-to-bottom incredible roster. They therefore have substantial advantages over WWE, so cutting it so close to WWE exposes the company, simply put.
[quote name='Trakan']I'm not trying to defend last night's show in particular. I do think it got more shit than it deserved though. The Shore thing was terrible, no doubt about it. Last night's show may have had too much talking going on, but RAW is basically 10 minutes of matches every week, and everyone accepts that. I do think TNA is better overall. I would rather watch last night's show than the Edge/laptop shit, Hornswoggle shit, guest host gimmicky garbage, the Santino Bunch match, or John Cena overcoming the odds every week. People actually think that's better?
I'm not saying TNA is perfect. I can also accept the fact that TNA doesn't do everything right. What they put out is far more entertaining to me than the shit WWE puts out. I'm not trying to deflect anything, but when you shit on TNA for something and WWE has done something worse or more ridiculous, I don't get it.[/QUOTE]
I came in late to last night's Impact but here's what I saw.
- Flair vs Foley - last man standing. Giving away a PPV match on TV (classic WCW) with a stupid ending.
- Talk Talk Talk. Oh and them cutting off Bishoff to go to a pretaped promo (can't remember if it was Tommy Dreamer/Rhino outside of the ECW arena or Jay Lethal talking about his childhood home)
- Orlando Jordon trying to molest retard Eric Young at a fair. Them using footage of Jordon/Young losing as Taz is talking about them being on a hot streak. Eric Young high fiving everybody. Them reusing the same spot from the promo they played before the match. Overall the match blew.
- More talking
- THE SHORE...which acted nothing like the Jersey shore people they were spoofing and got shit on by the crowd. More like something what you would see in Not Jersey Shore XXX. And thanks to Tenay for asking what The Situation and Snooki would think about this (get it that's who they are spoofing!!!)
- Battle Royal for $100,000! Why are they giving away $100,000? Pssshhh, who needs a reason! They spend a ton of time on entrances for Angle/Kennedy, barely fight before the next guy comes out, OHWEHAVETOGOTOCOMMERICALTAZ, come back from commercial with 6 more people in the ring, nothing happens, commercial break, 4 more people are in the ring, Abyss comes out and eliminates nearly everybody, overruns into Reaction (ha ha you guys tivoing this), RVD runs out and eliminates Abyss/himself, Angle throws Kennedy out to win the $100,000.
That is horrid. I don't think WWE has done anything that bad since the New Generation. The angles or promos with celebrity hosts maybe bad but it doesn't bleed into the actual wrestling most of the time and the production value is top notch.
People give TNA so much shit because they shouldn't be that bad. They have a great roster, a killer TV slot, unlimited money and yet they continue to do everything wrong.
- edit And don't forget that this was the go-home show on what is suppose to be their Wrestlemania.
I'm not saying TNA is perfect. I can also accept the fact that TNA doesn't do everything right. What they put out is far more entertaining to me than the shit WWE puts out. I'm not trying to deflect anything, but when you shit on TNA for something and WWE has done something worse or more ridiculous, I don't get it.[/QUOTE]
I came in late to last night's Impact but here's what I saw.
- Flair vs Foley - last man standing. Giving away a PPV match on TV (classic WCW) with a stupid ending.
- Talk Talk Talk. Oh and them cutting off Bishoff to go to a pretaped promo (can't remember if it was Tommy Dreamer/Rhino outside of the ECW arena or Jay Lethal talking about his childhood home)
- Orlando Jordon trying to molest retard Eric Young at a fair. Them using footage of Jordon/Young losing as Taz is talking about them being on a hot streak. Eric Young high fiving everybody. Them reusing the same spot from the promo they played before the match. Overall the match blew.
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- THE SHORE...which acted nothing like the Jersey shore people they were spoofing and got shit on by the crowd. More like something what you would see in Not Jersey Shore XXX. And thanks to Tenay for asking what The Situation and Snooki would think about this (get it that's who they are spoofing!!!)
- Battle Royal for $100,000! Why are they giving away $100,000? Pssshhh, who needs a reason! They spend a ton of time on entrances for Angle/Kennedy, barely fight before the next guy comes out, OHWEHAVETOGOTOCOMMERICALTAZ, come back from commercial with 6 more people in the ring, nothing happens, commercial break, 4 more people are in the ring, Abyss comes out and eliminates nearly everybody, overruns into Reaction (ha ha
you guys tivoing this), RVD runs out and eliminates Abyss/himself, Angle throws Kennedy out to win the $100,000.That is horrid. I don't think WWE has done anything that bad since the New Generation. The angles or promos with celebrity hosts maybe bad but it doesn't bleed into the actual wrestling most of the time and the production value is top notch.
People give TNA so much shit because they shouldn't be that bad. They have a great roster, a killer TV slot, unlimited money and yet they continue to do everything wrong.
- edit And don't forget that this was the go-home show on what is suppose to be their Wrestlemania.
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I don't understand the hate for RVD's return and the Flair/Foley match being on Impact instead of a PPV. They have to generate interest and hype up the PPV somehow.
RVD technically "returned" to TNA last night, but he was barely in the match and was just used to eliminate Abyss. It's not like they gave his return match away on free TV. How many times has Austin, The Rock, or HHH come back on RAW to give a Stunner or a Rock Bottom only to have their actual return match on a PPV? Plenty of times.
The Flair/Foley match may not have ended perfectly, but I have no problem with Flair getting back up for half a second only to fall back down to a mat full of tacks and have the 10-count still continue. He was unable to continue in the match. Makes sense to me.
To all of the people saying "THEY SHOULDN'T BE GIVING AWAY THIS SHIT ON FREE TV," like you're getting shafted on that shit. What do you care? When's the last time you paid for a PPV? Correct me if I'm wrong but I doubt anyone pays for that shit who visits this forum.
RVD technically "returned" to TNA last night, but he was barely in the match and was just used to eliminate Abyss. It's not like they gave his return match away on free TV. How many times has Austin, The Rock, or HHH come back on RAW to give a Stunner or a Rock Bottom only to have their actual return match on a PPV? Plenty of times.
The Flair/Foley match may not have ended perfectly, but I have no problem with Flair getting back up for half a second only to fall back down to a mat full of tacks and have the 10-count still continue. He was unable to continue in the match. Makes sense to me.
To all of the people saying "THEY SHOULDN'T BE GIVING AWAY THIS SHIT ON FREE TV," like you're getting shafted on that shit. What do you care? When's the last time you paid for a PPV? Correct me if I'm wrong but I doubt anyone pays for that shit who visits this forum.
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Supposedly someone was suppose to come out every 45 seconds in the battle royale and RVD took like an extra 4-8 minutes to the guy before him.It was also kinda funny where RVD was suppose to eliminate Abyss and himself and RVD pretty much flew right over Abyss landing on the floor while Abyss looked a little silly not quite going over the first time and had to swing it around for a 2nd time and eliminate himself while the camera turned away.
I think I'd take the shore as worst segment of the year.
I think I'd take the shore as worst segment of the year.
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Saying "TNA sux" is a "short-and-sweet" kind of way to address the issue of the company's quality.:lol::lol::lol: Everyone who follows this business already knows what TNA is doing wrong and what they have that could work in their favor, but are currently squandering.
TNA Pros:
Talent? Not a problem.
Ringwork? Best on free TV.
Good TV spot? A solid 3 hours.
Passionate, yet blatantly ECW Arena-wannabe fans? Check.
TNA Cons:
Vince Russo.
Eric Bischoff.
Hulk Hogan.
A no-nothing(albeit smoking-hot MILF*flairtongue.gif*) owner with little Wrestling business sense and a bunch of idiots around her.
Horrible, convoluted storylines that no one in their right mind would want on a Wrestling show.
Another week, another "earth-shattering announcement that will change the face of TNA forever!".
That's just off of the top of my head.
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Snuka brutally beat his wife and killed her but still makes it in this game as a playable character, Benoit accidentally kills his wife, kid and himself and he's not only banned from the WWE but also not even a playable character. That's kind of ****ed up.[/QUOTE]I love GameFAQs.:lol::lol::lol:
TNA Pros:
Talent? Not a problem.
Ringwork? Best on free TV.
Good TV spot? A solid 3 hours.
Passionate, yet blatantly ECW Arena-wannabe fans? Check.
TNA Cons:
Vince Russo.
Eric Bischoff.
Hulk Hogan.
A no-nothing(albeit smoking-hot MILF*flairtongue.gif*) owner with little Wrestling business sense and a bunch of idiots around her.
Horrible, convoluted storylines that no one in their right mind would want on a Wrestling show.
Another week, another "earth-shattering announcement that will change the face of TNA forever!".
That's just off of the top of my head.
[quote name='DeadorDead8']
Snuka brutally beat his wife and killed her but still makes it in this game as a playable character, Benoit accidentally kills his wife, kid and himself and he's not only banned from the WWE but also not even a playable character. That's kind of ****ed up.[/QUOTE]I love GameFAQs.:lol::lol::lol:
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I could see the Flair .gif being used in the future. Not as well as the colegong.gif, but still used. :lol:
If TNA's raitings rise again next week, I won't know what the to think.
EDIT: Ratings breakdown for TNA last night.
-- Quarter-hour peak: 1.44 in Q5 for the post-match of Flair-Foley with Fortune's run-in and EV2's involvement, then Eric Bischoff threatening to "fire" Abyss.
-- Quarter-hour low: 1.27 in Q7 for "The Shore" debut and the beginning of the Battle Royal.
-- Quarter-hours 6-8 (10:15 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. EST) all scored below the 1.33 overall show average.
-- Males 18-34 demographic: up to 1.00 vs. a 0.70 rating last week. It upped Impact's average m18-34 demo rating to a 0.70 since Impact returned to Thursday nights in May.
If TNA's raitings rise again next week, I won't know what the
to think.EDIT: Ratings breakdown for TNA last night.
-- Quarter-hour peak: 1.44 in Q5 for the post-match of Flair-Foley with Fortune's run-in and EV2's involvement, then Eric Bischoff threatening to "fire" Abyss.
-- Quarter-hour low: 1.27 in Q7 for "The Shore" debut and the beginning of the Battle Royal.
-- Quarter-hours 6-8 (10:15 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. EST) all scored below the 1.33 overall show average.
-- Males 18-34 demographic: up to 1.00 vs. a 0.70 rating last week. It upped Impact's average m18-34 demo rating to a 0.70 since Impact returned to Thursday nights in May.
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Wow, a wrestling show that actually starts off with WRESTLING! Now was that so hard?
[quote name='Trakan']I don't understand the hate for RVD's return and the Flair/Foley match being on Impact instead of a PPV. They have to generate interest and hype up the PPV somehow.
RVD technically "returned" to TNA last night, but he was barely in the match and was just used to eliminate Abyss. It's not like they gave his return match away on free TV. How many times has Austin, The Rock, or HHH come back on RAW to give a Stunner or a Rock Bottom only to have their actual return match on a PPV? Plenty of times.
The Flair/Foley match may not have ended perfectly, but I have no problem with Flair getting back up for half a second only to fall back down to a mat full of tacks and have the 10-count still continue. He was unable to continue in the match. Makes sense to me.
To all of the people saying "THEY SHOULDN'T BE GIVING AWAY THIS SHIT ON FREE TV," like you're getting shafted on that shit. What do you care? When's the last time you paid for a PPV? Correct me if I'm wrong but I doubt anyone pays for that shit who visits this forum.[/QUOTE]
It's bad for business. The whole idea of a TV show should be to build to the PPV. To make us want to get that PPV, to see what will happen with the storyline. Giving away matches on free tv (especially what should be feud ending gimmick matches or dream matches) is retarded. They are doing blowoff matches during the buildup. Why would I give a shit about Angle/Kennedy on the Sunday PPV when they do a ladder match (with the reward being a key or some horseshit "advantage") on free TV on Tuesday before.
Same with RVD. Instead of building up his return, making us want to see him get revenge against Abyss for what Abyss has done to him, they bring him back insanely early to do (shitty) promos and interfere in (pointless) matches. Why should I care about RVD/Abyss?
When WWE brings back a big guy on free TV, he usually interferes or costs the person who put him out something, than they keep them apart (either through promos or tag matches) building up to the PPV. The last guy I can remember them bringing back with nothing was HHH after the first time he blew out his knee.
Giving away PPV matches on TV is exactly what WCW use to do to try and pop TV ratings. Which it did (temporally) but they also torpedoed PPV sales/live attendance/etc (aka income) and destroyed storylines.
RVD technically "returned" to TNA last night, but he was barely in the match and was just used to eliminate Abyss. It's not like they gave his return match away on free TV. How many times has Austin, The Rock, or HHH come back on RAW to give a Stunner or a Rock Bottom only to have their actual return match on a PPV? Plenty of times.
The Flair/Foley match may not have ended perfectly, but I have no problem with Flair getting back up for half a second only to fall back down to a mat full of tacks and have the 10-count still continue. He was unable to continue in the match. Makes sense to me.
To all of the people saying "THEY SHOULDN'T BE GIVING AWAY THIS SHIT ON FREE TV," like you're getting shafted on that shit. What do you care? When's the last time you paid for a PPV? Correct me if I'm wrong but I doubt anyone pays for that shit who visits this forum.[/QUOTE]
It's bad for business. The whole idea of a TV show should be to build to the PPV. To make us want to get that PPV, to see what will happen with the storyline. Giving away matches on free tv (especially what should be feud ending gimmick matches or dream matches) is retarded. They are doing blowoff matches during the buildup. Why would I give a shit about Angle/Kennedy on the Sunday PPV when they do a ladder match (with the reward being a key or some horseshit "advantage") on free TV on Tuesday before.
Same with RVD. Instead of building up his return, making us want to see him get revenge against Abyss for what Abyss has done to him, they bring him back insanely early to do (shitty) promos and interfere in (pointless) matches. Why should I care about RVD/Abyss?
When WWE brings back a big guy on free TV, he usually interferes or costs the person who put him out something, than they keep them apart (either through promos or tag matches) building up to the PPV. The last guy I can remember them bringing back with nothing was HHH after the first time he blew out his knee.
Giving away PPV matches on TV is exactly what WCW use to do to try and pop TV ratings. Which it did (temporally) but they also torpedoed PPV sales/live attendance/etc (aka income) and destroyed storylines.
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Man, Kane is killing this promo. I also like them adding music to the in ring promo. Reminds me of the crazy pretaped promos from my childhood.
[quote name='cdubb1605']Not as bad as carrying 4 belts around.[/QUOTE]
That was actually kind of cool looking.
[quote name='cdubb1605']Not as bad as carrying 4 belts around.[/QUOTE]
That was actually kind of cool looking.
I've always thought it was awesome when a wrestler had more than one belt. RVD with the ECW TV and Tag Titles was great. Same with Lance Storm and his armful of WCW belts.
I watched part of Flair/Foley on youtube and while I don't necessarily think it should've been a PPV match (given their ages/condition and the fact that WWE had the exact same match in (I think) 2005), it was pretty enjoyable. The table bump was perhaps inappropriate but given how many times Foley dove onto concrete at house shows and in front of tiny crowds, doing it once more on TV is at least partially forgivable.
I finally got to play some Smackdown - Here Comes the Pain. I get what the hype is about, but I'm still too spoiled by Firepro to really appreciate it. I slapped the shit out of the Undertaker as HBK so we'll see where that goes.
It really sucks that Benoit did the deeds he did. More than once since 2007, I've watched bits of the Benoit DVDs and I just can't enjoy the matches (or the documentary obviously) like I used to. This match...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkcqcZF1QS4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg71Yd8J8vA&feature=related
...used to blow my mind. Now I see (in particular) the powerbomb at 1:56 of the second part and cringe. I wonder if the WWE will ever do another "redemption" DVD ala Eddie's "Cheating Death, Stealing Life" one from 2004.
I watched part of Flair/Foley on youtube and while I don't necessarily think it should've been a PPV match (given their ages/condition and the fact that WWE had the exact same match in (I think) 2005), it was pretty enjoyable. The table bump was perhaps inappropriate but given how many times Foley dove onto concrete at house shows and in front of tiny crowds, doing it once more on TV is at least partially forgivable.
I finally got to play some Smackdown - Here Comes the Pain. I get what the hype is about, but I'm still too spoiled by Firepro to really appreciate it. I slapped the shit out of the Undertaker as HBK so we'll see where that goes.
It really sucks that Benoit did the deeds he did. More than once since 2007, I've watched bits of the Benoit DVDs and I just can't enjoy the matches (or the documentary obviously) like I used to. This match...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkcqcZF1QS4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg71Yd8J8vA&feature=related
...used to blow my mind. Now I see (in particular) the powerbomb at 1:56 of the second part and cringe. I wonder if the WWE will ever do another "redemption" DVD ala Eddie's "Cheating Death, Stealing Life" one from 2004.
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Jack Swagger is the master of the Ankle Lock.
Chris Masters(he's still employed? LOL!) is the master of the Master Lock.
Those are the "best" Grishamisms I can come up with.
[quote name='diddy310']the real solution is that TNA shouldn't be having PPV's and should give it away on Spike until someone gives a.[/QUOTE]Honestly? If they did Sunday night "specials" head-to-head against WWE PPV's, that idea would be pretty smart. They haven't shit-canned Hogan and Bischoff yet, even with the year-to-year PPV buyrate comparison, so PPV buyrates must not be important to Dixie. Why not focus on getting the ratings up?
Chris Masters(he's still employed? LOL!) is the master of the Master Lock.
Those are the "best" Grishamisms I can come up with.
[quote name='diddy310']the real solution is that TNA shouldn't be having PPV's and should give it away on Spike until someone gives a
.[/QUOTE]Honestly? If they did Sunday night "specials" head-to-head against WWE PPV's, that idea would be pretty smart. They haven't shit-canned Hogan and Bischoff yet, even with the year-to-year PPV buyrate comparison, so PPV buyrates must not be important to Dixie. Why not focus on getting the ratings up?
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Just noticed Lipstick & Dynamite is streaming on Netflix... haven't watched it yet, but I'll give it a try.
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[quote name='Mr. Beef']Angle is the "master" of the Ankle Lock in my eyes (yeah, I said it Shamrock).[/QUOTE]Shamrock's "snapping" made the Ankle Lock a scary move to see your favorite wrestler have locked on him. Angle's intensity never quite matched Ken's once he "snapped", but Angle evolved the hold far beyond what Shamrock did with it.
[quote name='Mr. Beef']There are a shit-ton of wrestlers who can performa a spear better than Edge. Hell, even Kaitlyn(?) did a better spear than he did![/QUOTE]
Agreed. Edge's puny Spear is nothing compared to Goldberg's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPmDUOGwHwU
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCEyBtK30GY
[quote name='Mr. Beef']There are a shit-ton of wrestlers who can performa a spear better than Edge. Hell, even Kaitlyn(?) did a better spear than he did![/QUOTE]
Agreed. Edge's puny Spear is nothing compared to Goldberg's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPmDUOGwHwU
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Lipstick and Dynamite is excellent - I highly recommend it.
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I just added it to my Netflix instant queue. I'll check it out in the morning.
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[quote name='Kevin Nash(RealKevinNash Twitter Account) Typo/Punctuation Corrections: BlueSwim']4 days left and I'm done, hope you that enjoyed me and are left happy. I always did my best with a beaten body. Thanks and goodbye.
No WWE.
2 my fans thank you I love you. 2 my haters thank you you always made me push harder.
Time to be a husband and dad this part of my life is over. If I'm worth nothing than I need to stay at home. Thanks TNA 4 letting me go[/QUOTE]I'll miss ya, Big Sexy.
No WWE.
2 my fans thank you I love you. 2 my haters thank you you always made me push harder.
Time to be a husband and dad this part of my life is over. If I'm worth nothing than I need to stay at home. Thanks TNA 4 letting me go[/QUOTE]I'll miss ya, Big Sexy.
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