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[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Didn't Flair take some cheap shots at Hart in his book too? Kinda wonder what Bret's feelings on that are as well. Perhaps Bret is simply not dignifying Flair's stupidity with his own comments, plus the interviewer didn't mention that.[/quote]

Bret explains it on his website: http://www.brethart.com/comments.asp
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Wow, that picture of him. He's looking really rough.[/quote]

He looks good for a near 50, career pro wrestler, who's had multiple injuries, plus a flippin' stroke, if you ask me.
 
[quote name='2fast_2fuhrer']Bret explains it on his website: http://www.brethart.com/comments.asp[/quote]

Ya know, I remember losing respect for Flair when he said that Bret exploited Owen's death, and Mick was a glorified stuntman, but I didn't know to the extent Flair went in maligning those two, as well as, Randy Savage and Mick Foley. Flair really is a fucking douchebag. Who else would agree to fake a heart attack in the middle of the ring? It's too bad so many people view Flair as a legend, when really all he did was headline the second rate company before they got big. It's like saying Jeff Jarrett is a legend because he's dominated NWA:TNA. Plus Flair never really could cut it in the WWE. He came over, got the belt, didn't draw and was promptly sent back to WCW. Even today, look what this asshole has done. Randy Orton actually gave the I/C title back some prestige and made it important again with his long title run. Then eventually the belt finds its way around Flair's waist and goes to shit again, and now it won't even be defended at Wrestlemania. Good fucking job Flair. I hope Flair goes in the next roster cut, honestly Bret opened my eyes and reminded me on this one, Flair sucks (dick, for you ECW'ers).
 
[quote name='2fast_2fuhrer']He looks good for a near 50, career pro wrestler, who's had multiple injuries, plus a flippin' stroke, if you ask me.[/quote]

Injuries that came at the hands of that retard Goldberg. Honestly, for ending Bret Hart's career, I hope Goldberg one day finds himself on the wrong end of a D'Lo Brown Paralyzing power bomb.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Flair really is a fucking douchebag. Who else would agree to fake a heart attack in the middle of the ring? It's too bad so many people view Flair as a legend, when really all he did was headline the second rate company before they got big.)[/QUOTE]

ZL I respect you but I do have to say something. Do you have any idea what you're saying. The man is a legend, now I'm not that much of a flair fan. However you have to respect the stuff he has done.
 
I think Flair's in-ring work is awesome; he knows how to put on a match, came back from a fucking PLANE WRECK, and 30+ years later puts on matches better than 80% of the roster could on their best day.

Just because the guy's a two-timing shit-talking backstage politician with no respect for your heroes, it doesn't mean that he was a shitty wrestler.

And, by god, his mic work! Where do I start?

Yes, Flair's a cock; the fact that he espouses Republican ideals (he's considered running for governor on several occasions, I believe), but has none of the family values that the dipshits on the right laud so much shows me that he has two standards on this planet: his and everyone else's. The fact that you can site so many names who have said that he would say nice things to their face and shit on them behind their back says a lot about his character.

It doesn't have anything to do with the kinds of matches he puts on.
 
[quote name='Graystone']ZL I respect you but I do have to say something. Do you have any idea what you're saying. The man is a legend, now I'm not that much of a flair fan. However you have to respect the stuff he has done.[/quote]

I think I was just a little too heated after reading Bret's commentary on what Flair did/said. But, did you read it?

I look at the work Hart, Savage and Mick have done and it was all better than what Flair has done. Each one of them did it on the big stage too, Flair did most of his work in the minor leagues. The truth is Flair never really was a big draw, and his matches are the most repetitive thing in the WWE today. And when WCW got big during the NWO angle, Flair wasn't even on TV.

And no one can deny Flair has destroyed the IC title's credibility.

The man can work a mic though. Nowhere did I say he couldn't, and you really can't deny that. His basic success came from stealing other stars moves and mannerisms and combining that with great mic skills.
 
My main problem with Flair has always been that the guy is just too damn old (looking) to be believable. Flair has looked like a physically fit 70 year old for as long as I've seen him (about 10 years ago). It doesn't help that he's such a dick too.
 
[quote name='2fast_2fuhrer']My main problem with Flair has always been that the guy is just too damn old (looking) to be believable. Flair has looked like a physically fit 70 year old for as long as I've seen him (about 10 years ago). It doesn't help that he's such a dick too.[/quote]

:rofl:

He's still the Nature "Boy" too.

Could you imagine Shawn Michaels coming out to "Sexy Boy" with the nick name "Heartbreak Kid" at Ric Flair's age? :lol:
 
Oh man this is all hilarious:

WWE has purchased Mick Foley a computer, so they don't have to "decipher" his hand written pages of "Foley is Blog." [Credit: F4Wonline.com]

Tim White is at it again. This week trying to kill himself with "mad cow." Go to WWE.com to see the video.

The Dicks are still appearing on OVW TV, as they are working through their 90-day No-Compete Clause. It has become apparent that the two partners don't get along well and actually nearly got into a fight with each other in Mexico recently.
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[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Oh man this is all hilarious:

WWE has purchased Mick Foley a computer, so they don't have to "decipher" his hand written pages of "Foley is Blog." [Credit: F4Wonline.com]

Tim White is at it again. This week trying to kill himself with "mad cow." Go to WWE.com to see the video.

The Dicks are still appearing on OVW TV, as they are working through their 90-day No-Compete Clause. It has become apparent that the two partners don't get along well and actually nearly got into a fight with each other in Mexico recently.
[/quote]

Welcome to the new millenium Mr. Foley!

Tim White should just try to make a sequel to Supersize Me and induce death by Big Mac.

There could have been some serious problems if those Dicks had tangled. *couldn't resist*
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Well he did have a stroke not too long ago[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I saw that after I read further. Didn't know about that.
 
Is Flair really only 55, or whatever number WWE said he was on RAW? I was kind of taken aback, because Flair looks like hes 70 - 75 at least.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Is Flair really only 55, or whatever number WWE said he was on RAW? I was kind of taken aback, because Flair looks like hes 70 - 75 at least.[/quote]

His skin looks like he tanned way too much in his life.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']I think I was just a little too heated after reading Bret's commentary on what Flair did/said. But, did you read it?

I look at the work Hart, Savage and Mick have done and it was all better than what Flair has done. Each one of them did it on the big stage too, Flair did most of his work in the minor leagues. The truth is Flair never really was a big draw, and his matches are the most repetitive thing in the WWE today. And when WCW got big during the NWO angle, Flair wasn't even on TV.

And no one can deny Flair has destroyed the IC title's credibility.

The man can work a mic though. Nowhere did I say he couldn't, and you really can't deny that. His basic success came from stealing other stars moves and mannerisms and combining that with great mic skills.[/quote]

I still gotta disagree with you. I'd say of the three people you mentioned, not one of them as done as much in wrestling as Ric Flair. As far as his matches lately, sure, sometimes they get a little repetitive, but I'd say that's because they don't give him enough time. Why is Flair, a 57-year old man, going to pull out all the stops in a 6 minute Raw match? When they give him time, though, Flair can add a sense of drama to match like no one else. Flair was never a big draw? Flair is STILL a big draw! That is just plain ridiculous. Just because Flair's prime run was when the WWF was a bigger company doesn't mean he wasn't a big draw. The man sold out arenas around the world. WCW got big during the nWo angle, then went out of business, partially because of the way they booked Flair. Flair has nothing to do with the IC title losing prestige. The IC title was fucked long before Flair won it. I was in the arena the night Flair won that belt, and his speech after the match, proclaiming the win meant just as much to him as any of his 16 world title wins, brought more prestige to the title than it had had in years. It was the WWE's booking of him afterwards (particularly the title not being defended during his feud with HHH) that brought the belt to new lows. And as far as him stealing shit from other wrestlers, yeah, so what? I wouldn't even know who the fuck Buddy Rogers is if it weren't for Flair stealing his nickname.

Sure, Flair is an asshole. Who gives a shit? No one's asking you to eat dinner with him. Are you also one of those people who won't buy games from EA for their business decisions or see a movie with Brad Pitt because he broke poor Jen's heart?
 
[quote name='AdamInPlaidum']Sure, Flair is an asshole. Who gives a shit? No one's asking you to eat dinner with him. Are you also one of those people who won't buy games from EA for their business decisions or see a movie with Brad Pitt because he broke poor Jen's heart?[/quote]

:rofl:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86638

And what was that quote by myke that I used for a bit? It's loosely applicable...

[quote name='mykevermin']
Imagine what you'd purchase in your lifetime if you stuck to your guns and never bought anything from a company that lied.

You'd have to survive the rest of your life on one box of "Cream of Wheat."
[/quote]

To paraphrase,

Imagine what wrestlers you'd watch in your lifetime if you stuck to your guns and never watched any wrestler who was an asshole?

You'd have to survive the rest of your life on matches between Gillberg and Jay Leno!

:lol:

I have to agree with ZL about Flair primarily being known for his "minor league" success.
 
I won't lie, I marked out when Flair beat Carlito, since I didn't expect that to happen in a million years, since it seemed like Flair hadn't won a match in forever.
 
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Just look at this guy. And Vince wonders why no one believes he's a thug. Wasn't it Myke who ranted about Cena being too apparently wholesome to be believable?
 
[quote name='2fast_2fuhrer']
cena.jpg


Just look at this guy. And Vince wonders why no one believes he's a thug. Wasn't it Myke who ranted about Cena being too apparently wholesome to be believable?[/quote]

If it was a rant, it was most likely myke. Not that I don't love your rants, myke.

Cena's biggest problem is he sucks in the ring and keeps getting worse and worse on the mic. Well, I take that back. Cena's biggest problem is that he's the champion. But I suppose we won't have to put up with that for long.

Hey, maybe after the fans turn HHH face he can feud with Edge.
 
Do you even have a clue what you're talking about? I like the completely unrelated fallacious attacks at the end.

First off, Flair has never sold out arenas all over the world. Watch his dvd, look at how the arenas are half-empty. Flair was never selling out shows are creating a huge buyrate like Foley, Savage and Bret all did. Hell if it wasn't for Sting, I doubt Flair's matches would've drawn at all.

Tell me this, smartass, how many Wrestlemanias has Ric Flair has headlined?

Savage headlined WM 4, 5, beat Flair for the title at WM 8, which was not the main event because of Flair's impending departure, and Savage faced Ricky Steamboat in arguably the best WM match ever at WM 3

Bret Hart headlined WM 9, 10, & 12

Mick headlined WM 16/2000

You just can't compare them. Savage and Hart blow away Flair's wrestling ability.

Mick, Savage and Bret are all easily on par with Flair as far as mic skills go.

Actually, I think Mick is far better than Flair on the mic. Flair knows one type of promo, the goofy over the top promo. While a lot of the stuff he says is indeed funny, it's hard to ever take him seriously. When did you ever think Flair was really going to maul someone? Now Mick, Mick is so much more versatile. You've got the loveable Foley, the ridiculous Dude Love, the morbid Mankind and of course the sadistic Cactus Jack. Go watch the Cane Dewey promo, Mick will blow you away. And how about the 8.5 or whatever it was (the highest rating in Raw history) that Foley drew with The Rock, during the Rock this is your life segment. The matches Foley has put on as well, the various gimmick matches with Taker, the Japanese Death Matches, and of course Hell in the Cell, Flair would die doing those matches. And remember when Bischoff spoiled Foley winning the title on Raw, and people actually TURNED OVER to Raw? I doubt it'd work that way for Flair.

Then Savage's promos, wow, very few have even matched Savage's intensity on the mic. The guy could flat out work the stick, and was damn believeable too. Savage's vocal talent hasn't been used in various movies, cartoons and commercials for no reason. True Savage's accomplishments have been somewhat diminished due to his rap album and his hatred towards Hogan, but if you can look past his recent foolishness you can easily see he was better than Flair.

Bret... comparing Bret to Flair is just ridiculous. There is no comparison. Bret was flat out better. Given the repetitive nature of Flair's matches, I doubt he could have worked an iron man match successfully, let alone as the main event to Wrestlemania. Bret's mic skills really weren't superior to Flair's in all honesty. Both were somewhat repetitive on the schtick. Flair woo'ing and Bret convincing you how great he was, but that was Bret's thing, he was a respectable champion. To Bret's credit his interviews did change completely when he turned heel, while Flair's ... well Flair as a heel or face, there's really little difference.

Don't get me all-wrong here, Flair's top 50 all-time for sure, but I'd never put him above Savage, Foley or Bret Hart.
 
[quote name='AdamInPlaidum']If it was a rant, it was most likely myke. Not that I don't love your rants, myke.

Cena's biggest problem is he sucks in the ring and keeps getting worse and worse on the mic. Well, I take that back. Cena's biggest problem is that he's the champion. But I suppose we won't have to put up with that for long.

Hey, maybe after the fans turn HHH face he can feud with Edge.[/quote]

You and Matt Young better keep your fingers crossed that Edge gets another title run by Summerslam, cuz I tell you what if it hasn't happened by then, then it never will. UNLESS, he gets moved over to SD, which I think would be a much better fit for him at the moment, given the lack of top heels on that show. True you've got Orton, but once Batista comes back, it's Angle, Rey, Taker & Batista on one side and Orton on the other, although... WM SPOILER:

After Taker beats Henry, Dalip Singh is expected to debut and attack Taker on behalf of Daivari.
 
[quote name='AdamInPlaidum']If it was a rant, it was most likely myke. Not that I don't love your rants, myke.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, well...they're more profanity-laden and incoherent when I speak.
 
Anybody who says Flair spent the majority of his career in the "minor leagues" has no clue, NO CLUE, about the history of wrestling. There is so much wrong w/that POV that I have neither the time nor the inclination to argue how wrong it is; I also don't I think it would actually change anything. Hopefully at least one person will make the effort to find out for themselves just how much Flair has contributed. Is he a dick? Probably, even though not a single one of us actually knows him to be able to confirm this. I guarantee that if you did a poll of wrestlers, past and present, the majority of them would place Flair in the all-time top 5. Ultimately, they would know better then we ever could.
 
Leave it to neocisco to come in and again argue with brash fallacious statements instead of facts... using a cop out to avoid using factual information as usual. It's another poor appeal to authority argument and THAT is what is really wrong. Unless of course you really think WCW/NWA was the big leagues... :roll: Let's face it WCW was always second banana to the WWE, and Flair spent all but 2 years there while it existed. The only time WCW rose above the WWE, Flair was not even on the radar.


Anyway, this is what I came to post initially, yes folks this is Scott Hall... guess the accent came later on

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nCXDihlGJPQ&search=razor%20ramon
 
Neo's suggestion for a poll got me thinking, why not do some top 10s.

So, here's what it'd be cool if everyone did.

CAG TOP 10 WRESTLERS POLL
This shouldn't be a poll of your 10 favorites, so try to put bias aside and select the top 10 wrestlers for each of the following categories:

Ability to Draw - Who's name should be on the marquee (every list should have Hogan)
Wrestling Ability - Who has shown the best in-ring work (no lists should have Hogan)
Mic Work - Who was blessed with the gift of gab, who is most believeable, enthusiastic, sadistic, entertaining, etc when they say something into the mic?
OVERALL - Finally, with all things considered, and weighted as you see fit, who are the 10 biggest names in wrestling.

*Now, I would tend to favor the past 25 years, as most of us here are in our 20s and I'm a firm believer that it's hard to rate what you haven't watched. That being said I've been watching wrestling for 19 years now, so my list won't include greats like Bruno Sammartino, Billy Graham, Pedro Morales and so forth. *

Try to keep these lists just the wrestlers in the format that I'm using, as I plan on tallying up votes later on to comprise the CAG top 10 lists for each category. You can add comments after of course. Thank you to all those who intend to participate.

I probably don't need to say this here, but please be kind and courteous when looking at the lists of others, opinions do vary. So I hope we don't see any ZOMG! HE PUT SID VICIOUS AS #1, or anything of that nature. Again, thank you to all those who intend to participate.

My top 10s:

Draws:
1. Hulk Hogan
2. Steve Austin
3. Andre The Giant
4. The Rock
5. Bret Hart
6. Randy Savage
7. The Undertaker
8. Shawn Michaels
9. The Ultimate Warrior
10 Mick Foley

Wrestling ability:
1. Kurt Angle
2. Randy Savage
3. Bret Hart
4. Ricky Steamboat
5. Eddie Guerrero
6. Chris Benoit
7. Mr. Perfect
8. Shawn Michaels
9. Sting
10 Ted Dibiase

Mic:
1. Mick Foley
2. Hulk Hogan
3. The Rock
4. Shawn Michaels
5. Randy Savage
6. Jake the Snake
7. Steve Austin
8. Triple H
9. Bret Hart
10 Kurt Angle

OVERALL:
1. Hulk Hogan
2. Randy Savage
3. Andre The Giant
4. Bret Hart
5. The Undertaker
6. The Rock
7. Steve Austin
8. Shawn Michaels
9. Mick Foley
10 Kurt Angle
 
Draws:
1. Hulk Hogan
2. Steve Austin
3. The Rock
4. The Undertaker
5. Randy Savage
6. Triple H
7. Bret Hart
8. Sting
9. Ric Flair
10. Kurt Angle

Wrestling ability:
1. Bret Hart
2. Kurt Angle
3. Shawn Michaels
4. Randy Savage
5. Rey Mysterio
6. Chris Benoit
7. Rob Van Dam
8. Curt Hennig
9. Sting
10. Booker T

Mic:
1. The Rock
2. Steve Austin
3. Hulk Hogan
4. Triple H
5. Kurt Angle
6. Randy Savage
7. Scott Hall
8. Sting
9. Ted Dibiase
10. Christian

OVERALL:
1. Hulk Hogan
2. Steve Austin
3. Bret Hart
4. The Rock
5. Randy Savage
6. Sting
7. Shawn Michaels
8. Kurt Angle
9. The Undertaker
10. Triple H
 
and my youtube binge of the night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awsmw46Nsyw&search=wrestling%20promo

See, I find him far more believable than most of the people today, after watching that I probably wouldn't want to get in the ring with the nutjob

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywQ2EnGWvAs&search=macho%20man%20randy%20savage

OOOOOH YEAH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZzRMC0GCLQ&search=wrestling%20promo

Ya... that's Flair for you :roll:

And here's Daffy Duck...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnI8KTgcJKc&search=wwe%20promo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XY9O9-UL4&search=wwe%20promo

Yikes... CM Punk probably shouldn't be given a mic again... ever. Mike Mondo wasn't so bad here, but the rest of the Spirit Squad... yikes again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjyrfbVXqD0&search=cena%20wrestlemania

What happened to that John Cena?

Alright, and we'll end it with one more good promo, and that'll be for now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e8kQijumG0&search=wrestling%20promo
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']CAG TOP 10 WRESTLERS POLL
This shouldn't be a poll of your 10 favorites, so try to put bias aside and select the top 10 wrestlers for each of the following categories:

Ability to Draw - Who's name should be on the marquee (every list should have Hogan)
Wrestling Ability - Who has shown the best in-ring work (no lists should have Hogan)
Mic Work - Who was blessed with the gift of gab, who is most believeable, enthusiastic, sadistic, entertaining, etc when they say something into the mic?
OVERALL - Finally, with all things considered, and weighted as you see fit, who are the 10 biggest names in wrestling.

*Now, I would tend to favor the past 25 years, as most of us here are in our 20s and I'm a firm believer that it's hard to rate what you haven't watched. That being said I've been watching wrestling for 19 years now, so my list won't include greats like Bruno Sammartino, Billy Graham, Pedro Morales and so forth. *

Try to keep these lists just the wrestlers in the format that I'm using, as I plan on tallying up votes later on to comprise the CAG top 10 lists for each category. You can add comments after of course. Thank you to all those who intend to participate.

I probably don't need to say this here, but please be kind and courteous when looking at the lists of others, opinions do vary. So I hope we don't see any ZOMG! HE PUT SID VICIOUS AS #1, or anything of that nature. Again, thank you to all those who intend to participate.

[/quote]

DRAWS:
1. Hulk Hogan
2. Steve Austin
3. The Rock
4. Andre
5. Undertaker
6. Goldberg
7. Bret Hart
8. Sting
9. Randy Savage
10. Ric Flair

Wrestling Ability
1. Kurt Angle
2. Chris Benoit
3. Bret Hart
4. Dean Malenko
5. Eddie Guerrero
6. Curt Hennig
7. Rey Mysterio
8. Taz
9. Shawn Michaels
10. Brock Lesnar

Mic
1. Rock
2. Hogan
3. Austin
4. Angle
5. Savage
6. HHH
7. Scott Hall
8. Eddie Guerrero
9. DDP
10. Christian

Overall
1. Hogan
2. Rock
3. Austin
4. Andre
5. Angle
6. Savage
7. Sting
8. Undertaker
9. Bret Hart
10. Ric Flair
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']and my youtube binge of the night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awsmw46Nsyw&search=wrestling%20promo

See, I find him far more believable than most of the people today, after watching that I probably wouldn't want to get in the ring with the nutjob[/QUOTE]

Did you notice that he didn't blink *once*?

I'll have to watch the Spirit Squad/Punk promo; I always thought Punk was decent on the mic, although all his promos were really long (like Triple H long). I don't know if he could do a succinct promo or not.

EDIT: Eek, that was bad; I guess he's using "You got punked" as a catchphrase of sorts. Ugh, that's worse than the TV commercial I saw yesterday with the Oi! Chocolate Chip Cookies. At any rate, there's something about that airhorn, and Mondo, that I find damned funny.
 
I love those cookies, but that commercial does almost drive you to violence. I really think Mondo is the only member of the Spirit Squad worth squat. The problem of course is his diminuitive stature. I think he'd be a great candidate for the revival of the manager in the WWE. The rest of the spirit squad can be released for all I care. I'm sure one or two of them will be released by Summerslam, leaving the other two to wrestle as a tag team. Hopefully Johnny Jeter gets out of that gimmick and back to better things.

Although, Vince does seem to like them right now, his own personal male cheerleaders, and Vince is getting progressively weirder. Maybe he's finally gone senile.

Oh, and Myke make sure you and everone else watches the promo labled "Daffy Duck" it's actually Lex Luger and probably the funniest one of there.

This one is good too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSdTyah3pmU&search=ultimate%20warrior

Warrior Warrior at his best, er worst, he's on a journey of self learning you know
 
Draws:
1) Hulk Hogan
2) Sting
3) Goldberg
4) Randy Savage
5) Andre the Giant
6) The Undertaker
7) Shawn Michaels
8) The Rock
9) Stone Cold Steve Austin
10) Bret Hart

Wrestling Ability:

1) Chris Benoit
2) Kurt Angle
3) Rob Van Dam
4) Tazz
5) Bret Hart
6) Lance Storm
7) Tajiri
8) Dean Malenko
9) Chris Jericho
10) Rey Mysterio

Mic:

1) The Rock
2) Ted DiBiase
3) Shane Douglas
4) Stone Cold Steve Austin
5) Mick Foley
6) Hulk Hogan
7) Rowdy Roddy Piper
8) Randy Savage
9) Triple H
10) Larry Zybysko

Overall:

1) Hulk Hogan
2) Randy Savage
3) Andre the Giant
4) The Rock
5) Stone Cold Steve Austin
6) Ricky Steamboat
7) Kurt Angle
8) The Undertaker
9) Bret Hart
10) Triple H
 
True, but we're talking top 10, no woman in WWE history can draw in the main event. Look at the bottom guy in each list so far, and then name a diva that can outdraw Kurt Angle, Mick Foley, Ric Flair or Bret Hart, there just isn't one. We... could do this with the divas at another point, but I just didn't think there'd be much interest... ?
 
[quote name='Danro']Draws:
1) Hulk Hogan
2) Sting
3) Goldberg
4) Randy Savage
5) Andre the Giant
6) The Undertaker
7) Shawn Michaels
8) The Rock
9) Stone Cold Steve Austin
10) Bret Hart

Wrestling Ability:

1) Chris Benoit
2) Kurt Angle
3) Rob Van Dam
4) Tazz
5) Bret Hart
6) Lance Storm
7) Tajiri
8) Dean Malenko
9) Chris Jericho
10) Rey Mysterio

Mic:

1) The Rock
2) Ted DiBiase
3) Shane Douglas
4) Stone Cold Steve Austin
5) Mick Foley
6) Hulk Hogan
7) Rowdy Roddy Piper
8) Randy Savage
9) Triple H
10) Larry Zybysko

Overall:

1) Hulk Hogan
2) Randy Savage
3) Andre the Giant
4) The Rock
5) Stone Cold Steve Austin
6) Ricky Steamboat
7) Kurt Angle
8) The Undertaker
9) Bret Hart
10) Triple H[/QUOTE]


I think Michaels should had made your list on wrestling ability. Hes honestly the best seller in wrestling, of course thats my opinion but i honestly feel michaels can make anyone look better than they really are.
 
... You'd laugh harder at the Luger interview

[quote name='onetrackmind']I think Michaels should had made your list on wrestling ability. Hes honestly the best seller in wrestling, of course thats my opinion but i honestly feel michaels can make anyone look better than they really are.[/quote]

That's why you gotta make your own list. Then I'll go through the wonderful process of tallying votes and post who finished where.
 
Draws:
1. Hulk Hogan
2. Steve Austin
3. Bret Hart
4. Ric Flair
5. Shawn Michaels
6. Randy Savage
7. The Undertaker
8. Andre The Giant
9. Terry Funk
10 Mick Foley

Wrestling ability:
1. Shawn Michaels
2. Eddie Guerrero
3. Bret Hart
4. Taz
5. Chris Beniot
6. Rob Van Dam
7. Mr. Perfect
8. Sabu
9. Kurt Angle
10 Christian

Mic:
1. Steve Austin
2. Shawn Michaels
3. Rob Van Dam
4. Kurt Angle
5. Shane Douglas
6. Jake the Snake
7. Eddie Guerrero
8. Mr Perfect
9. Raven
10 Ultimate Warrior

OVERALL:
1. Shawn Michaels
2. Hulk Hogan
3. Rob Van Dam
4. Bret Hart
5. Raven
6. Mick Foley
7. Steve Austin
8. Randy Savage
9. Sabu
10 Kurt Angle
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']True, but we're talking top 10, no woman in WWE history can draw in the main event. Look at the bottom guy in each list so far, and then name a diva that can outdraw Kurt Angle, Mick Foley, Ric Flair or Bret Hart, there just isn't one. We... could do this with the divas at another point, but I just didn't think there'd be much interest... ?[/QUOTE]

I'd say that the collective divas force would be a serious contender as a top 10draw. As an individual though, you're right, none have that kind of power.
 
Preface: My viewing era is probably much shorter than most of the people here, and my choices more than likely reflect that.

Draws:
1) Foley
2) Hogan
3) Austin
4) Rock
5) Goldberg
6) Undertaker
7) nWo
8) HHH
9) DX
10) HBK

Wrestling Ability:
1) Benoit
2) Angle
3) RVD
4) Guerrero
5) Hart
6) HBK
7) Sabu
8) HHH
9) Shelton
10) Super Crazy

Mic:
1) Rock
2) Flair
3) Austin
4) HHH
5) Foley
6) Hogan
7) Edge
8) Guerrero
9) Angle
10) Joel Gertner/The Dudleyz (ECW)

Why Foley as the top draw? Maybe he was just in the right place at the right time, but noone else can say that they made millions of people switch over from WCW TV to WWF TV, and he was in the highest rated Raw segment ever, to boot. Maybe I'll add an overall Top 10 later.
 
Draws:
1. Hulk Hogan
2. Steve Austin
3. The Rock
4. Andre the Giant
5. The Undertaker
6. Randy Savage
7. Bret Hart
8. Shawn Michaels
9. Ultimate Warrior
10. Mick Foley

Wrestling:
1. Kurt Angle
2. Bret Hart
3. Chris Benoit
4. Mr. Perfect
5. Randy Savage
6. Shawn Michaels
7. Eddie Guerrero
8. Chris Jericho
9. Ricky Steamboat
10. Sting

Mic:
1. The Rock
2. Mick Foley
3. Chris Jericho
4. Hulk Hogan
5. Randy Savage
6. Kurt Angle
7. Steve Austin
8. Jake Roberts
9. Ric Flair
10. Roddy Piper

Overall:
1. Hulk Hogan
2. Randy Savage
3. Bret Hart
4. Kurt Angle
5. Andre the Giant
6. The Rock
7. Steve Austin
8. Shawn Michaels
9. Mick Foley
10. Chris Jericho
 
ya know... Central Michigan University has a large population of students with conservative parents (not mine thank God, my dad is a libertarian) anyway, I really wonder if I could convince the Warrior to come and give one of his infamous speeches here. I bet he'd relish the chance to do something like that. The question is can I pull the strings...
 
Draws:
1. Hulk Hogan
2. Steve Austin
3. The Rock
4. Shawn Michaels
5. The Undertaker
6. Bret Hart
7. Triple H
8. Andre the Giant
9. Goldberg
10. Kurt Angle

Wrestling ability:
1. Kurt Angle
2. Shawn Michaels
3. Rob Van Dam
4. Chris Benoit
5. Bret Hart
6. Chris Jericho
7. Shelton Benjamin
8. Rey Mysterio
9. Eddie Guerrero
10. Trish Stratus (Dont want to be flamed so I'll just point out why I chose her. Proved that women can actually wrestle and sometimes not just filler matches. Also went from just a valet to actually knowing how to put on a good match)

Mic:
1. The Rock
2. Steve Austin
3. Chris Jericho
4. Mick Foley
5. Triple H
6. Randy Savage
7. Kurt Angle
8. Hulk Hogan
9. Eddie Guerrero
10. Shawn Michaels

OVERALL:
1. Shawn Michaels
2. Hulk Hogan
3. The Undertaker
4. Kurt Angle
5. Steve Austin
6. The Rock
7. Bret Hart
8. Chris Benoit
9. Mick Foley
10. Triple H
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']ya know... Central Michigan University has a large population of students with conservative parents (not mine thank God, my dad is a libertarian) anyway, I really wonder if I could convince the Warrior to come and give one of his infamous speeches here. I bet he'd relish the chance to do something like that. The question is can I pull the strings...[/quote]

I have no problem listening to different viewpoints (being independent and all). The man just needs to use tact even if others don't use it with him. If someone doesn't share your political leanings, and it sets you off, you shouldn't be in public speaking.

If you can make it happen it would be interesting.
 
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