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[quote name='Chacrana']LA Noire looks like the next overrated game from Rockstar that people will lap up because it's just like a movie that plays like a bad game.[/QUOTE]
I don't get all the hype for that game. Where did it come from? Just because it has good facial animations?
[quote name='hankmecrankme']lol Portal 2, peeps be so mad. ^__^

Dudes getting so upset over a game, it's not like somebody hit your dog with their car or something.[/QUOTE]
Considering that I used to get death threats when I worked at Gamestop I'd say people take their games much too seriously.
[quote name='linkpwns']Okay, now that I know that the game isn't actually 4 hours long, I'm going to say they have nothing to complain about.[/QUOTE]
According to that article it took the guy 8 hours to complete the game and he even states: "Partly because I took my time to explore everything, finding easter eggs, and enjoying the dialogue. And partly because that’s just how long it is."

So taking his sweet time he beat it in only 8 hours? And then take into consideration that reviewers almost always take longer to beat games than the normal gamer and that puts the game in a pretty short range to me. Which means the $45 Best Buy is asking for right now would be about the MAX I'd pay for it.
 
[quote name='linkpwns']Yeah, seriously. Most retail-priced FPS's max out at like 6 hours of content, and manage to get a "Get Out of Hate" free card for having multiplayer. Why judge portal on a different standard?[/QUOTE]

Exactly. And it's also worth noting that complaining about game length for game length's sake only results in worse games. When developers feel the need to pad out what would have been a great game with mindless sidequests and the like, it really ruins things for gamers like me who would rather play through a fantastic game in a short amount of time.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']I don't get all the hype for that game. Where did it come from? Just because it has good facial animations?[/QUOTE]

I'm interested in it because the setting looks really cool, and there really haven't been many detective games.
 
[quote name='linkpwns']Yeah, seriously. Most retail-priced FPS's max out at like 6 hours of content, and manage to get a "Get Out of Hate" free card for having multiplayer. Why judge portal on a different standard?[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I'm not interested in Portal 2, but not because of length. Just because I didn't like the first one enough to buy a sequel.

As you note, most shooters are 6-8 hour campaigns and not worth buying at launch unless you want to sink major hours into the multiplayer and don't want to fall behind the curve.

So most shooters sans the big ones like Halo, CoD, Gears of War etc. are wait for $30 or under price or until I can get them on Goozex types of games for me.
 
[quote name='icebeast']I'm interested in it because the setting looks really cool, and there really haven't been many detective games.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I'm interested for the same reasons. I've always wanted a good detective game set in that time period.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']In response to the Portal 2 raging idiots:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/04/19/lets-address-some-portal-2-nonsense/[/QUOTE]
Yeah, people get out of hand with this shit. Who cares? Don't like it? Don't buy the game, don't play it. :nottalking:

My opinion anyway. ^__^

[quote name='linkpwns']Okay, now that I know that the game isn't actually 4 hours long, I'm going to say they have nothing to complain about. Who the fuck is to say what is and isn't a console port? Did they develop the game? And aesthetic bullshit is barely DLC. As for the ARG not "causing" anything, who gives a shit? ILoveBees didn't give you a mega-super copy of Halo. It was just for fun, and to help get people excited for the game. I tend to enjoy ARG marketing. Anyone who was just trudging through it just to get the game early, or to get additional content, should have been involved anyway.[/QUOTE]
Amen.

[quote name='icebeast']I don't, it isn't like they got nothing, they got a bunch of really good indie games... why the hell are they complaining? (And who would buy it just for the ARG?)[/QUOTE]
Amen, nothing to complain about.

It's like seeing "1 in 12 wins!!" on my Dew. I'm not pissed if I buy 12 bottles of Dew and I don't win shit, I'm still enjoying 12 bottles of Dew.

[quote name='ihadFG']This. They also got Portal 2 a few hours EARLY. God damn gamers are a bunch of entitled idiots.[/QUOTE]
Amen.

[quote name='linkpwns']Yeah, seriously. Most retail-priced FPS's max out at like 6 hours of content, and manage to get a "Get Out of Hate" free card for having multiplayer. Why judge portal on a different standard?[/QUOTE]
Amen to this also. I don't remember Calladuty getting hate due to its 6 hour campaign and being a console to PC port. :whistle2:k

[quote name='Mr. Beef']Bwahaha, what the fuck did I just read?[/QUOTE]
Some awesomeness. ^__^
 
Short games all day for me. I don't have the time to dump countless hours into games with hallways and guys with afros. I want to actually finish my games.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']
According to that article it took the guy 8 hours to complete the game and he even states: "Partly because I took my time to explore everything, finding easter eggs, and enjoying the dialogue. And partly because that’s just how long it is."

So taking his sweet time he beat it in only 8 hours? And then take into consideration that reviewers almost always take longer to beat games than the normal gamer and that puts the game in a pretty short range to me. Which means the $45 Best Buy is asking for right now would be about the MAX I'd pay for it.[/QUOTE]

He also clearly said this, "I’ve replayed a bunch of it this morning, from about 8am to 12pm, and knowing what to do and ploughing through it as fast as possible, skipping past all the longer conversations wherever possible, I hadn’t reached the end of the second act in the four hours. So, including the co-op content, I was not even halfway through the game. People claiming to have completed it in four hours are either some sort of speed-gaming geniuses, or lying."
 
Yeah, I like shorter games anymore. I'd rather have 5 hours of greatness than 10 hours of mediocrity.

I can finish Super Metroid in about an hour and a half, does that mean it's a shitty game? Hell no!!
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']Yeah, I like shorter games anymore. I'd rather have 5 hours of greatness than 10 hours of mediocrity.

I can finish Super Metroid in about an hour and a half, does that mean it's a shitty game? Hell no!![/QUOTE]

0/10 on metacritic

I wish people would stop equating value with length.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']I wish people would stop equating value with length.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I'd lump myself in with the shorter is typically better, although I do enjoy longer games from time to time. With that said though, it doesn't matter if Disgaea can take you over 200 hours to totally see everything, because I can't stay focused on that game (or any SRPG outside of Valkyria Chronicles) long enough to even finish the main story. I keep buying the Disgaea games for some reason though... I think it is because I like the art, haha. :oops:
 
[quote name='linkpwns']I feel bad for that dude. I feel like any and all attention he's getting are from ButtBuddies of Chacrana rather than people who were trolled upon.
Nevertheless, I posted on it anyway :p[/QUOTE]

Hahahaha the people who were trolled congratulated me on well find trolling, too. The outrage!
 
Even with the ARG thing, that's no excuse to bitch about the actual game...also, does anyone give a fuck about the user scores on Metacritic? I didn't even realize that was a thing until people started losing their shit over the DA2 developer reviewing the game.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']0/10 on metacritic

I wish people would stop equating value with length.[/QUOTE]

You're delusional if you don't think super metroid would've been better with unnecessary fetch quests
 
After blowing through a bunch of shorter games (Medal of Honor, KZ2 and 3 etc) Lords of Shadow seemed like the longest game I've ever played...and not necessarily in a bad way. I was thinking you would go directly through the 3 main boss areas, but there was lots of fun side stuff thrown in (the Music Box quest especially).
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']Yeah, I like shorter games anymore. I'd rather have 5 hours of greatness than 10 hours of mediocrity.

I can finish Super Metroid in about an hour and a half, does that mean it's a shitty game? Hell no!![/QUOTE]

Agreed....mostly.

My preference is longer games that are great throughout and hold my interest for a long time.

It saves me money to play something like Mass Effect or Oblivion or an FPS with good multiplayer as I'm dumping 50+ hours into them and enjoying every second of it. For instance, the only games I've played since last fall are Black Ops and Dragon Age Ultimate Edition (along with a couple XBLA game).


But I do agree that I can't stand games that are long because they have a lot of repetitive crap etc., and would prefer a shorter game that's good throughout anyday.

Just saying that for me the best of both worlds is a game thats 30+ hours and never tedious for me.
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']Yeah, I like shorter games anymore. I'd rather have 5 hours of greatness than 10 hours of mediocrity.

I can finish Super Metroid in about an hour and a half, does that mean it's a shitty game? Hell no!![/QUOTE]

I like 5 hour games too.

Just not $60 5 hour games.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']He also clearly said this, "I’ve replayed a bunch of it this morning, from about 8am to 12pm, and knowing what to do and ploughing through it as fast as possible, skipping past all the longer conversations wherever possible, I hadn’t reached the end of the second act in the four hours. So, including the co-op content, I was not even halfway through the game. People claiming to have completed it in four hours are either some sort of speed-gaming geniuses, or lying."[/QUOTE]
That's all well and good, but it still stands as an 8 hour game. That's all well and good if you don't mind, but I prefer my games to have heft to them. Especially if the MSRP is $60.
 
[quote name='icebeast']Agreed. I'd lump myself in with the shorter is typically better, although I do enjoy longer games from time to time. With that said though, it doesn't matter if Disgaea can take you over 200 hours to totally see everything, because I can't stay focused on that game (or any SRPG outside of Valkyria Chronicles) long enough to even finish the main story.[/QUOTE]

Yep, if a game leaves me wanting more that usually means it was a great game. It doesn't, however, necessarily mean it was too short. A game that overstays it's welcome just gets tedious. I think it's important for games to find the right amount of content that fits the game. Longer isn't better than short or vice versa. Length should be dependent on the game itself. Not every kind of game lends itself to 20+ hour experiences.

[quote name='Chacrana']You're delusional if you don't think super metroid would've been better with unnecessary fetch quests[/QUOTE]

That would have been so TWISTED. I may have had to cause some MAYHEM out of happiness.
 
[quote name='icebeast']I'm interested in it because the setting looks really cool, and there really haven't been many detective games.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. It's not a generic Rock Star game. It's nearly completely story-based. You're a detective, doing detective things. You interview peoples, try to determine whether or not they're lying, knowing when to press them, and when not to. It's a lot more of a serious experience than most RockStar games. There's a really good episode of IGN's GameScoop where they interview the art director (at least, I believe it is). They spend a lot of time talking about it.

EDIT: Still on the topic of Portal 2, wasn't it possible to get it for 35 bucks on release? I mean, 8 hours of GOOD (i'm assuming, I haven't played it) content is decent for 35 bucks. Plus we all know it won't stay at MSRP for long. Waiting on one of those epic steam sales, then I'll pick it up myself.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I like 5 hour games too.

Just not $60 5 hour games.[/QUOTE]

But why should length affect price so much?
 
[quote name='whoknows']I like 5 hour games too.

Just not $60 5 hour games.[/QUOTE]

For sure. It could be the best game ever, but I'm not paying $60 for a 5 hour game I'll play once.

I'll wait for some price drops or get it on Goozex. I buy very few single player games around launch anyway as they're just as fun as few months or a year down the road when they're cheap.

I'll make exceptions for some favorite game series like Mass Effect etc., but that's pretty much it. Otherwise I'll only buy around launch if it's something I want to play online and not get too far behind the curve or have the community dwindle etc.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']But why should length affect price?[/QUOTE]

Simple value equation. 5 hours of gaming entertainment isn't worth $60 to me personally. Especially when prices drop quickly and there are places like Goozex to get games with very little out of pocket cost down the road etc. I just don't care about playing most games near launch.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Simple value equation. 5 hours of gaming entertainment isn't worth $60 to me personally. Especially when prices drop quickly and there are places like Goozex to get games with very little out of pocket cost down the road etc. I just don't care about playing most games near launch.[/QUOTE]

But what's the difference between paying $60 for a 10 hour game and waiting for a 50 hour game to drop to $30 versus paying $60 for a 50 hour game and then waiting for the 10 hour game to drop?
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Agreed....mostly.

My preference is longer games that are great throughout and hold my interest for a long time.

It saves me money to play something like Mass Effect or Oblivion or an FPS with good multiplayer as I'm dumping 50+ hours into them and enjoying every second of it. For instance, the only games I've played since last fall are Black Ops and Dragon Age Ultimate Edition (along with a couple XBLA game).


But I do agree that I can't stand games that are long because they have a lot of repetitive crap etc., and would prefer a shorter game that's good throughout anyday.

Just saying that for me the best of both worlds is a game thats 30+ hours and never tedious for me.[/QUOTE]
I'd prefer 12 hours of pure excellence, but that rarely happens. 25 hours or so of goodness is fine for me, but it seems the longer a game gets, the more likely it has slow or shoddy periods of gameplay.

I used to play tons of RPGs, but I find myself not wanting to replay a 50+ hour game anymore. Lately I just want games that aren't super lengthy unless I choose to make them last longer i.e. fighters and shmups, games you can play for 15 minutes or 5 hours at a time.


[quote name='whoknows']I like 5 hour games too.

Just not $60 5 hour games.[/QUOTE]
Agreed 100%, but I don't pay $60 for 99% of games.

$60 for 5 hours is way too much.
 
8 hours plus a separate co-op campaign that are apparently both really good and a free PC version if you get the PS3 one. I'd say that's a decent value even at 60.
 
But the fact that the game is 5 hours is a rumor...
The dude in that article that IHad$$$s posted said that he skipped through all the dialogue and everything on his second playthrough and couldn't complete it that quickly.
Plus, isn't there a completely separate CO-OP campaign? Yeah, i'm not a huge fan of playing the exact same thing with my friends, but if it's a completely different set of content, there's a lot to be said about that. The mechanics are probably completely different, having two portal guns, and two communicating players. It would be an entirely different experience.
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']

$60 for 5 hours is way too much.[/QUOTE]

But what if those 5 hours are the best 5 hours of gaming you've ever spent?
 
[quote name='ihadFG']But what's the difference between paying $60 for a 10 hour game and waiting for a 50 hour game to drop to $30 versus paying $60 for a 50 hour game and then waiting for the 10 hour game to drop?[/QUOTE]

Nothing really if you just want to go by shear $ per hour of entertainment.

I seldom pay more than $30 for a game anyway. Just 2 or 3 big AAA games a year. Everything else I jut wait for a sub $30 sale or goozex as I'd rather spend my money on other hobbies.

If a game is 5 hours, I'm more likely to wait for goozex than to buy it for even $20-30 as a game that short just generally isn't worth spending real money on for me. Games that short should just be on XBLA for $10-15 at launch IMO.

[quote name='ihadFG']But what if those 5 hours are the best 5 hours of gaming you've ever spent?[/QUOTE]

That adds value. But it will be just as enjoyable 6 months or so down the road when it's $20 or available on Goozex etc.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']But what if those 5 hours are the best 5 hours of gaming you've ever spent?[/QUOTE]

Be real, no one wants a 5 hour orgasm.
 
[quote name='linkpwns']But the fact that the game is 5 hours is a rumor...
The dude in that article that IHad$$$s posted said that he skipped through all the dialogue and everything on his second playthrough and couldn't complete it that quickly.
Plus, isn't there a completely separate CO-OP campaign? Yeah, i'm not a huge fan of playing the exact same thing with my friends, but if it's a completely different set of content, there's a lot to be said about that. The mechanics are probably completely different, having two portal guns, and two communicating players. It would be an entirely different experience.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, if you add up the 8 hour single-player + 7 hour co-op campaign, you get 15 hours of original content. And that content doesn't have any fluff like fetch quests and such either.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']You were pretty adamant about it being good like 2 weeks ago :whistle2:k[/QUOTE]

Yes, the game itself, not the online.

[quote name='ihadFG']It was fun while it lasted:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/blog.php?b=21014[/QUOTE]

Ahahahahahahaha ... ahahaha ... haha ... hah.

[quote name='ihadFG']But what if those 5 hours are the best 5 hours of gaming you've ever spent?[/QUOTE]

Then it's worth it.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']
That adds value. But it will be just as enjoyable 6 months or so down the road when it's $20 or available on Goozex etc.[/QUOTE]

Same goes for a 50 hour game though too, right? So what's the difference?
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']I'd prefer 12 hours of pure excellence, but that rarely happens. 25 hours or so of goodness is fine for me, but it seems the longer a game gets, the more likely it has slow or shoddy periods of gameplay.

I used to play tons of RPGs, but I find myself not wanting to replay a 50+ hour game anymore. Lately I just want games that aren't super lengthy unless I choose to make them last longer i.e. fighters and shmups, games you can play for 15 minutes or 5 hours at a time.
[/QUOTE]

That's why I really like WRPGs.

They're long. But they tend to be devided up into clear quest sections so you can focus on finishing one of those, then play something else for a while and come back to it. And a lot of the length is optional so you can kind of make it as long as you want.

I have no interest in JRPGs anymore--though I was never a huge fan of those beyond a few of the Final Fantasy games anyway. Those tend to drag on, require grinding etc. and I don't have patience for that stuff anymore.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']But what if those 5 hours are the best 5 hours of gaming you've ever spent?[/QUOTE]

Then it's worth $60. But in this day and age, that is definitely not likely to happen. :nottalking:

If you want an example of what I'd pay $60 for right now, Tekken Tag 2, a new HD 2D CONSOLE Castlevania, Shenmue 3, ,non-DIMPS Street Fighter 5 or Darkstalkers, or Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']Same goes for a 50 hour game though too, right? So what's the difference?[/QUOTE]

Like I said, I tend to wait on those as well. I didn't play Dragon Age until I got the Ultimate Edition for $40 for instance.

So a 50 hour game is still more value for my $20 or my Goozex credit etc. as I'm getting 10x the hours of entertainment as in a 5 hour game. A longer game, as long as it's good throughout, always is a better value whether buying at launch or a year later etc.

That said, length is by no means the only, or even most important, part of the value equation. But it is a big part of it and is something I consider when deciding what I'm willing to pay for a game.

Games that occupy more of my time, with quality content and not just filler, I'm generally willing to pay a tad more for than I would a shorter game.

Hence why I bought Dragon Age Ultimate for $40, but wasn't' willing to pay $40 for Bulletstorm on Amazon a bit ago. Dragon Age occupied my gaming time From December through early April. Bulletstorm would occupy me for a weekend or two. Just a different value equation there.
 
[quote name='Cheddahz']I would pay 60 bucks for NBA 2K games, got any problems?[/QUOTE]

Nope. Sports games have tons of replay value for people into them. Same as fighters, racers etc.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Nope. Sports games have tons of replay value for people into them. Same as fighters, racers etc.[/QUOTE]

Yep.

Here's a list of games I pay 60 bucks for only:
Basketball games
JRPGs
Fighters

and that's about it.....
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Like I said, I tend to wait on those as well. I didn't play Dragon Age until I got the Ultimate Edition for $40 for instance.

So a 50 hour game is still more value for my $20 or my Goozex credit etc. as I'm getting 10x the hours of entertainment as in a 5 hour game.

Length is by no means the only, or even most important, part of the value equation. But it is a big part of it and is something I consider when deciding what I'm willing to pay for a game.

Games that occupy more of my time, with quality content and not just filler, I'm generally willing to pay a tad more for than I would a shorter game.

Hence why I bought Dragon Age Ultimate for $40, but wasn't' willing to pay $40 for Bulletstorm on Amazon a bit ago. Dragon Age occupied my gaming time From December through early April. Bulletstorm would occupy me for a weekend or two. Just a different value equation there.[/QUOTE]

But which would be a better value to you, $60 for a 7 hour 10/10 game or a 50 hour 7.5/10 game?

For me it's the 7 hour game every time.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']But which would be a better value to you, $60 for a 7 hour 10/10 game or a 50 hour 7.5/10 game?

For me it's the 7 hour game every time.[/QUOTE]

Moot for me as I won't play any game to completion that I don't thinks at least a solid 8 or 9/10. I'm playing a handful of games a year, so I stick to the cream of the crop in the genres I enjoy and don't delve down into the mediocre games.

But I'll put it this way both a 10/10 short game and an 8/10 long game are things I'm going to wait and pay no more than $30 for and maybe wait for Goozex on. The great game's value is lessened by being very short, the long game's value is lessened by not being a clear AAA game.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Moot for me as I won't play any game to completion that I don't thinks at least a solid 8 or 9/10. I'm playing a handful of games a year, so I stick to the cream of the crop in the genre's I enjoy and don't delve down into the mediocre games.

But I'll put it this way both a 10/10 short game and an 8/10 long game are things I'm going to wait and pay no more than $30 for and maybe wait for Goozex on. The great game's value is lessened by being very short, the long game's value is lessened by not being a clear AAA game.[/QUOTE]

Well then what about a 7 hour 10/10 game versus a 40 hour 9/10 game at an equal price/goozex value. Which was a more worthy purchase?
 
The 40 hour 9/10 game, because it was a Shin Megami Tensei title while the 7 hour game that got stellar reviews was Call of Duty. Then again, I'd rather suck on a 72 hour hunk of dog shit (the same one I hit in my car) that got a 0/10 than play Call of Duty.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']The 40 hour 9/10 game, because it was a Shin Megami Tensei title while the 7 hour game that got stellar reviews was Call of Duty. Then again, I'd rather suck on a 72 hour hunk of dog shit (the same one I hit in my car) that got a 0/10 than play Call of Duty.[/QUOTE]

I'm not talking about reviews. I'm saying a game that is a 10/10 in your book versus one that is a 9/10 in your book.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']I'm not talking about reviews. I'm saying a game that is a 10/10 in your book versus one that is a 9/10 in your book.[/QUOTE]

In Chac's book, the 10/10 game is some weeaboo looking import shmup, while the 9/10 game probably has Shin Megami Tensei in the title.

His ultimate game would be a J360 shmup named Shin Megami Tensei x Bible Black.
 
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